A Scale Based EQ? Boost Frequencies In Tune With your Music with Scaler EQ

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[@saxyrep1]

I applaud this plugin. The originality to come up with it and the creativity of the results make it something that's worthy of existence, IMO.

[@morizanova]

For someone who already doing manually for years , this plugin like godsend . But if you never done before , give in try and see if you can hear differences or just forget about it😊

[@AlexReidStudios]

Good advice

[@your_chel]

with EQ turned on, everything sounds much cleaner, this is what I heard right away

[@AlexReidStudios]

Yeah, as I said I liked the results for cutting and cleaning up. Subtle yet effective. Is something like a resonance suppressor

[@cobraofearth]

When you asked me to like the video, the actual like button lit up. That's crazy, never seen that before. Also, yes I liked it, cool video

[@AlexReidStudios]

Thank you! and yeah, that's a somewhat new feature from KZbin :)

[@simong8527]

On one hand I feel like this is a good idea, can bring clarity. On the other hand it can make music too perfect, robotic. We love imperfections, old gear noises that give a flavour. Maybe if done tastefully…

[@AlexReidStudios]

I don't think it would make it that way, but get your point

[@INeedsMoneys]

True

[@traezaX1]

It's perfect on vocals ...I prefer a perfect sound on vocals and imperfect on everything else...

[@jmmusic013]

You can use the regular shelf and apply it to the mid side. The magic shelf does that for you in their own way automatically. No need to go to another EQ for that.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Yeah, but it doesn't let you change more parameters

[@darrentatemusic]

So if you have anything that has legato information does that mean the amplitude in that frequency range gets reduced as it moves in between one note and another?

[@CRayBeats]

The lower down the frequency the waveforms get wider and hold for a longer period of time. There should be less and thicker "Boost Q's" as you move to the bass frequencies. Cutting down there should be fine with the regular none scale Q's, I suppose. I'll just use regular Q's for bass.

[@AlexReidStudios]

That's true! I suspect that's a visualization thing, specially because going higher means more and more frequencies to boost and cut

[@daviHuggMonster]

funny thing is that Tone Boosters's eq has a key module too...but not sure if theirs is same as scaler eq tho

[@AlexReidStudios]

Didn't know, gotta try it

[@lince4824]

I don't think this tool is mean to be used like you do in the whole mix, but instead on individual tracks to make it really shine. It's a surgical tool that would save insane amounts of time trying to fix a mix.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Tried that way too and honestly wasn't impressed, It's not noticeable better than a regular eq

[@lince4824]

@@AlexReidStudios But that's the good thing about this EQ, that it is barely noticeable outside the parts you need to fix (if any). In my opinion this tool is not meant to enhance the music, but to fix unwanted resonances and harmonics, saving insane amount of time creating your own notches one by one in standard EQ's and even more time if you decide to modify your scale or transpose the MIDI notes, or after tweaking physically modeled instruments. In my opinion it is by no means a substitute of standard EQ's. I am just a noob, but I discovered this today while using Pianoteq Classical Guitar and needing to notch down 440Hz frequencies to use Impulse-Response (IR) waves in order to build a good Electric guitar sound. I don't know what the advertising on Scaler EQ is, but I know exactly where I would use it, and where I would not use it at all, and I realize whatever the advertising is that this is no substitute at all for standard EQ. The good part is that you won't be impressed with the new sound, because it is just cleaning surgically your instruments to remove some unwanted resonances, and still it may be important in the final mix after all. For example, you wouldn't be impressed by looking at a clean picture, but you would notice if there is dirt, dust or fingerprints if you know what I mean.

[@MupprikSmurken]

Boosting resonances with sharp filters like this also extends the duration of those resonances because of the phase shifts. i'd be very careful using this.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Yep, for mixing you need to be subtle

[@GillamtheGreatest]

interesting concept, but not the implementation i would think is the most useful or expected. i was thinking it would be more something that changed its eq point based off midi input for a key tracking effect or something like that, which is something ive messed with in patcher, and im sure is doable in the grid.

[@AlexReidStudios]

that'd be awesome actually

[@mattiasboden2329]

Hello Alex :) I've seen a lot of people praising the new Chroma by Xynth. Isn't chroma just doing "basically" the same thing, boosting frequencies in a scale/chord until it resonates? So, a simpler version of scaler eq? Or am i missing something? Thank you for your thoughts.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Hello! Haven't played with Chroma yet, but the difference is that this is marketed for mixing and mastering. Now it has an update which adds better controls for creative studf I believe

[@mattiasboden2329]

@@AlexReidStudios ok i see. Thanks :)

[@AlexReidStudios]

@@mattiasboden2329 You're welcome!

[@TerenceKearns]

This just reminds me of a ring modulator. I think this EQ will be a lot of fun to create novel FX but it's not going to be a tool for sweetening your mix.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Agree

[@AJNemo-sc2lm]

This would be better if you could choose the notes in the scale rather than just the set scales, what if we use unsupported Carnatic ragas, makes it completely useless

[@AlexReidStudios]

I think you can, at least after choosing a scale I was able to choose which notes I wanted to be active or not

[@________________________3]

Demo was working fine but as soon as I paid for the license it started glitching out of control every time I open it. :(

[@AlexReidStudios]

Oh man that's a shame, write to support and hopefully they can help

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

I don't know how useful it would be overall, but I guess it's not a bad EQ option to have for certain scenarios. It feels like a concept that would've been attempted in the past, which makes me doubt it would yield any notable improvements over typical EQ methods.

[@AlexReidStudios]

agree, is not something so good I need it,

[@INeedsMoneys]

This isn’t intended to be used as a regular eq. I don’t know why ur comparing it to typical eq methods. Totally different mix tool.

[@pulsarstar]

If you can not hear the difference even in studio Environment, why bother?

[@AlexReidStudios]

Yep, pretty much it

[@natureseyemusic]

Polarity has done a good video on how to create the same in the FX grid. Bitwig is so versatile. Personally, I think £49 is a bit steep for what it is.

[@AlexReidStudios]

Agree on the price. I mean it's fair compared with other EQs with mid/side and dynamics. But 6 bands and no gain compensation? I preffer using my trusty TDR Nova

[@joesweeney6262]

That polarity video gave me way too many other ideas for totally leading up my sound design. 😊❤

[@rickythethird]

is this worth it?

[@AlexReidStudios]

Not for mixing imo. But I haven't checked the latest update and it seems they added some nice features for creative purposes

[@anuragdixit473]

Aren't you supposed to turn off 'In scale' & 'Flip harmonics' buttons when you want to cut the 'out of scale' frequencies?

[@AlexReidStudios]

Not really, when cutting it automatically cuts all off-scale frequencies

[@anuragdixit473]

ok then when do we turn off the in scale & flip harmonics'? Thanks@@AlexReidStudios

[@AlexReidStudios]

@@anuragdixit473 Honestly I haven't used it since tested, so I'm not familiar with all the use cases

[@INeedsMoneys]

Horrible music to test the EQ with. Way way too chaotic to even know what’s going on…

[@INeedsMoneys]

And on top of that, this eq is not what you want on a master bus/mix bus. It creates a lot of phase shift. You want to mix with it on individual tracks where phase shift isn’t as problematic

[@AlexReidStudios]

I dunno, for testing how the EQ cleans some frequencies chaotic music can be a good source, it worked here.

[@jmmusic013]

@@INeedsMoneys That's not true, the developers have a post on their forum that shows no difference in phase shift when comparing to ProQ3 using the same process. A minimum phase EQ is a minimum phase EQ. I use it on the master with the imaging controls and the magic shelves and just subtly with the harmonics and it's like magic,

[@gclmgt]

💯

[@Sagaoas]

It also doesn't make sense at all to test it on a track that's already released, unless it wasn't mastered before release, in which case I'm disregarding the reviewer's opinion entirely because they released an unmastered track.

[@not-bot]

Тебе с таким треком никакой плагин не поможет. Нашел на чем тестировать частоты.

[@SolairNova]

Sorry, I did not hear any difference.

[@AlexReidStudios]

is very very subtle

[@INeedsMoneys]

It’s because of the music. Way too much chaos and glitch effects. You cant tell anything because everything is just a big mess

[@bobbyboyderecords]

yes strange choice of music to demo it with@@INeedsMoneys

[@paulmistygatz7888]

What nonsense bs this is. No one would ever tweak so many points. It has so many side effects! But I guess this is for people who use soothe 3 times on every channel. This plugin sounds so bad people need to listen.