A Song of Ice and Fire: Frey Civil War

We return to the Riverlands for a look at the Frey's problems. But behind those problem, is the Vale looming?

[@realdaggerman105]

“Lets assume that old Walder dies of old age” Bold strategy, lets see how it turns out for them.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

....cotton

[@worldscoolestperson7672]

Can’t die of old age if the audience does first before the book comes out.

[@PsychSoldier756]

@@worldscoolestperson7672or the author

[@jsky2695]

@@PsychSoldier756beat me to it

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Plot twist: Walder Frey outlives everyone in the series.

[@techniclepanther7538]

"But this isn't the only place where the Vale forces would enter the FREY." *kill me*

[@dirrdevil]

About to make this joke, but had to check the comments for it first. 2 years too late...

[@wisdommanari6701]

@@dirrdevil no it's okay. You can still do it

[@BurningMad]

They'd take the back entrance too?

[@cheangizzz]

@@dirrdevil I was late for 4 years

[@zachunderwood663]

it would be fitting walder builds this huge family thinking its the best way to continue on the frey house and then they tear each other up because of it

[@Salamon2]

Which is what always happened in feudal History. One simplistic argument for why the Wars of the Roses happened is that Edward III had too many kids, who as such created too many competing branch houses to compete for the throne when Richard II (Ed 3's grandson) was overthrown for being a tyrant.

[@JohnSmith-gn5mb]

He probably knows that that will happen, but he is probably OK with it because it would mean that the strongest and most ruthless would prove themselves in order to come out on top

[@Lazurmang]

It’d also kinda be funny/fitting if most of these successions just led to lands returning to the houses who already led them lol

[@ktoth29]

So by orchestrating the Vale invasion of the Riverlands, Littlefinger is choosing his own vassals and goes from being lord paramount on paper to the legitimate ruler.

[@darkrai24100]

Holy shit that's fucking genius

[@luiscaetano2651]

@@darkrai24100 and the RiverLands are devasting by the war, and he is the only one with money, so... he will buy food from Essos to gain even more influence in the RiverLands (sorry my english).

[@callumwebb4927]

@@darkrai24100 What a magnificent bastard...

[@noahjohnson935]

He will be able to install the Frey branches with loyalty to him, and put the mess that is the Riverlands back in order. He will have what remains of the Riverlander forces, who while battered are still formidable since they have been on the defensive, the armies of the Vale, and most likely a good amount of sellswords he can buy. Cat doesn't even really pose a threat since the Brotherhood is so small, and Stannis will be wore down fighting the Boltons. If he plays his cards right, everything north of Harrenhal will be his or his allies

[@kyrieeleison9149]

Noah Johnson AND, after he has consolidated his holdings north of Harrenhal, will possibly wait for the realm to be destabilized from Tyrell-Lannister disputes and/or Targaryen invasions and take advantage of the situation by declaring independence of those three Kingdoms (Vale, North, Riverlands) and will move to strike, mounting a successful rebellion and installing himself on the Iron Throne. That's his endgame.

[@Burnthefirst]

no wonder writing the winds of winter takes forever, the complexity embedded, whether you are right or not is just mindboggeling

[@malcolmcarey6519]

@ThatCrazy Drunk you just blow in from stupid town?

[@peterjoyfilms]

@ThatCrazy Drunk If he's not writing its probably because he isn't inspired to do so. No-one wants to read a phoned-in Winds of Winter that he pushed onto bookshelves just to get it published in an arbitrary amount of time. In writing if you have a block you can't force it and expect the result to be pleasing. For all we know it's actually good for him creatively to take breaks from Winds which he's been struggling with for years and work on other things.

[@pakimonsas]

He created too many plot threads and he is probably trying to finish or mix a lot of them for ADOS

[@cadefoster6626]

@@pakimonsas At the end of the day he cannot possibly cover every potential thread, as much as I love the depth and breadth of ASoIF, it would be very hard for him to cover everything. I just hope we get WoW and ADoS before he dies.

[@duganrocks100]

@@cadefoster6626 I Just hope for some WoW,even if its just some more chapters. Though Im banking on God being great and blessing GRRM with another 15 years, so we get aDoS. Would like to see what the end i guess, thought i kind of like it hasnt ended.

[@jeffralston1]

So, is George working on book 6a, _A Fray of Freys_?

[@ryancosgrove3104]

once more into the Frey

[@kriseriksen7706]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@wyomingptt]

Jeff Ralston _A Fight for Freys_

[@Mg-kh7dm]

Jeff Ralston I

[@helpconflict9851]

Flaying of Freys

[@Tosei0816]

I played Crusader King II, both with and without the ASoIaF mod. After that I have a deeper understanding of all the war of sucession issue.

[@SkipperPlaysTW]

CK2 best game ever.

[@MkZuO12345]

Yeah, when you kill all your secondborn sons because you forgot to change sucession law to primogeniture :P

[@notyourbuisness5375]

Ah...yes. The incest simulator.

[@GoodBadUgly112]

I want this game and mod!

[@kahare9565]

@@GoodBadUgly112 the game and mod are both free and if you want the full majesty of the game you can get the $5/mo sub rather than buy $100s of dollars of expansions; great deal for noobs

[@StrangeGamer859]

Someone could write an AWOIAF sized saga just about a Frey civil war

[@turtleanton6539]

Yuup

[@Redem10]

War in the riverland? UN-THINK-ABLE!

[@avarma6313]

dwd, roberts rebellion and war of the five kings all of them in the riverlands

[@robertmaybeth3434]

Now that you mention it, the reasons why the riverlands are the frequent, and traditional battlegrounds becomes obvious. The Starks and the other Northmen view everybody south of the neck (the classic bottleneck between south and north, as well) with great suspicion, and for very good reasons. As every Stark notices, in almost every book starting with "Thrones": " When we Starks go south, no one ever comes back!" And as King Robert notices he thinks its too cold and too empty. Same with Cersei and Tywin, they only care about the north insofar as it owes homage and fealty to the Lannister kings and queen...

[@christiancristof491]

Robert Maybeth Honestly, It's simply about the riverlands being in the middle of Westeros and being the obbligatory road to take on ground.

[@henrikgenzink2304]

That what happens when you are the only border for two of the hardest to invade regions in westeros and border that many more.

[@noxtrin3315]

I would rate the 9 regions easy to hard to invade 9:riverlands 8:crownlands 7:reach 6:stormlands 5:iron islands 4:westerlands 3:north 2:dorne 1:vale Agree?

[@EmperorEdselstein]

So basically this is how the "Frey Civil War" would play out. Alpha Freys, Blackwood Freys, Lannister Freys, Lydden Freys (possibly being backed up by House Lannister) vs Waynwood Freys, Rosby Freys, Crakehall Frey's (backed by the Vale). Correct me if I am wrong but that is the best way I could break this down.

[@vinhbao9738]

Its a Lannister vs Vale Civil War

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Its a Lannister vs Vale *proxy* War using the lesser houses in the form of Freys as pieces to further their own power. Either way, the Freys will be f*cked by story's end and I am loving it.

[@Johnny-xu3ny]

+you have some riverlands tully loyalists like the mallisters that can come to play

[@MM-xm5vx]

Johnny IX yeah the black fish is probably with them. Maybe rickon will come from skagos with a skagosi army with some wildlings with the woods witch. And the the blackfish will march up north and it will be starks and vale via Sansa the lady of the vale vs the Lannister’s.

[@johnnye87]

Except it's a lot more complex than that, as there's more than two factions and more than two prizes. Some of them will be fighting over Riverrun, against a substantial resistance but with possible Lannister backing. Some will be fighting over Darry against a Vale invasion. The Alpha Freys will be fighting to hold the Twins, probably the fiercest inter-Frey conflict, while also being torn over which if any of the other Freys to support, and vulnerable to a further assault by the victor in either or both of those other conflicts.

[@espalier]

that our author has written enough complexity to sustain this level of intrigue is spectacular.

[@jessegarrett7215]

Holy crap, Preston. Did you just figure out Littlefinger's plan?

[@shortstuff780]

OK Dirt Rider that's interesting. if littlefinger who already owns Harrenhall and somewhat of the Eryie can somewhat take his home in the riverlands by taking over the Frey's and the twins, this would align will with James Johnson's theory that Doing the long night, little finger will own quite a lot and stock up of food in a certain location (he thinks Harrenhall) to make people need him, and bend their knee to him, making him the king of ashes. interesting when combining the two theories you get quite an interesting mesh of ideas..

[@kingad8869]

All too avenge Caitlyn.

[@Hector_Moira]

The question is, what is the plan after the invasion?

[@michaelhenry3234]

@@Hector_Moira He'd find himself, finally, in a relatively stable position. He'd also still have Sansa up his sleeve if needs be. I imagine, if this theory is true, that Littlefinger would justify the invasion to Sansa as him reclaiming Sansa's matrilineal castle and gaining a foothold with which to invade the North, as it remains doubtful if the Vale has a fleet large enough to ferry an army. But Littlefinger would probably have no intention to actually go through with such a plan, as there's nothing to be gained in the North and it's quickly becoming a wintry death trap. No army is going to be able to realistically invade in, say, a few months' time. Armies need food. Sansa will do something about this, though.

[@brienneoftarth7717]

@@shortstuff780There will be no long night or battle between good and evil, that’s so boring.

[@gnetkuji]

About the pies and hostages "It would have been the smarter move." This is absolutely true, but lets not underestimate the absurd amounts of hatred people can hold over the death of a loved one. Hell, last I checked, LSH only exists because her vengeful hatred is powerful enough to impress a god.

[@manband20]

I wonder if Manderly even cooked the Freys into the pies. If this guy is the mastermind behind uniting the North under Bolton and Frey's noses, why would he risk everything just for a little taste of revenge? Maybe he captured them and then tried to imply that he baked the Freys into the pies to cause a scene between him and the Freys. He did scream for the band to play "The Rat Cook" when he was drunk and tried to make it very obvious that he liked these pies. Maybe it was just to freak them out.

[@therowan8704]

He did so he could say "ah yes the TASTE OF SWEET revenge"

[@poankiyu7664]

Yeah his son died at the Red Wedding. He probably wasn't thinking too rationally about the pie thing it was just REVENGE.

[@dutchpangermanist5673]

@@poankiyu7664 And the Manderlys are fiercely loyal Stark bannermen, because when the Manderlys were driven from the Mander, a river in the Reach, the king in the North offered them lands along the white knife, so the Starks helped them when they had lost everything. Killing Freys as revenge for Robb Stark's death is also a motive.

[@atlash6387]

After reading Theon's chapters I became certain that every northener is hostile to Freys and Bolton except for Carstarks (absent at the red weddong). But they are not united at all.

[@affedrew]

One of my biggest hopes is that Walder Frey dies of natural causes, to show that not every terrible person gets karmically punished. I find it very interesting that Sansa is currently the closest thing to a Stark heir the public is aware of, the presumed widow of the only possible heir to Casterly Rock, the presumed heir of the Lord of Harrenhal, and in the process of becoming the wife of the heir to the Vale. If one or two things go Baelish's way, Sansa is in control of almost half the kingdom. I think Baelish thinks this will mean it's in His control, but I think Sansa will be the one to take Baelish off the board before he can benefit from where he's positioned her.

[@noxtrin3315]

Plus the Good claim on Riverrun

[@thearmada6248]

Not the only possible heir.

[@Hana9916]

She's acused of murder and treason, though. Even if Tyrion were to die, nobody would offer her any lands or titles that he (also a murderer and a traitor to the crown) never even held.

[@johnnye87]

Walder Frey did everything he did to secure his family as a powerful and respected house. His most ruthless move cost them any respect they may have built up over three generations, and the minute he dies they're going to collapse into infighting and complete irrelevance. If you don't think that's what karma looks like...

[@sergeant_chris6209]

To be fair, with Tyrion away, Jaime and Lancel sworn to orders that prevent lordship, and also Kevan dead, Casterly Rock would by rule of succession go to Devan

[@SkipperPlaysTW]

Combine the Littlefinger debt scheme with this and you have yourself a gold mine.

[@MrFantocan]

You should make a part 2 to this, foreseeing who would win, and multiple events that would make others win. Lesser houses/factions are the most fun part of ASoIaF.

[@ZURATAMA1324]

FINALLY! A video about the Freys that does not paint the Freys as simple mustache twirling vilians for the Red Wedding! I see a lot of fans falling into the trap of dismissing all (*insert group name here) as evil trecherous bastards, because (*insert group name here) killed off fan favorite characters. I find this a bit sad because one of the important themes of ASOIAF is about the horrors of guilt by association, unnuanced friend or foe mentality, and generalization. Not all women are feminine housewives. (Arya, Brienne...) Not all Lannisters are ruthless. (Tyrion, Jamie...) And yes, not all Freys are backstabbing vilians. In fact, reality is much more complicated with a history of shifting power and factions within House Frey. And even the so-called mustache twirling vilian variants of the Frey family have their reasons. This complexity that keeps the audience thinking is exactly what is so great about GRRM's writing in the first place! I'm sorry for babbling on like a fucking idiot even though I've yet to watch the damn video, but I'm so hyped! I've already liked the video, Facebooked it, tweeted it, tattooed the thumbnail on my infant's face, sent a raven to Oldtown, carved the URL link on a weirwood, and glasscandled the video into the dreams of everyone I know. I hope this video is going to be as good as always.

[@jernejfric4810]

I agree, the Freys are just like any other House in Westeros. Here is one of my favorite posts about asoiaf of last year. www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4wf9tx/house_frey_secret_heroes_of_asoiaf_spoilers_main/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[@ZURATAMA1324]

We could go on and on about the intricacies of the Red Wedding, but one thing is for sure. The Freys did not commit the Red Wedding because they were simply evil fucks. Actually, House Frey is noted as being one of the fierciest of Robb's bannermen. A lot of Freys died to win Robb's battles. (a lot of Robb loyalists died which is said to be one of the contributing factors to the Red Wedding) I feel like this over-compensation was made to make up for Walder's late arrival to Robert's Rebellion where Walder gets his disgracful nickname, 'Latelord Walder Frey'. Lords start belittling and laughin at him or decades. (btw, we don't know if Walder was late intentionally) Then of course, Robb, who is still a boy, thinks with his cock and backs out of his deal with the Freys while simultaneously walking into an obvious Lannister trap. I say the Freys have the right to be pissed as fuck. The audience may not care because they only see things from a protagonist's flowery perspective, but as you've said, the Freys have put everything on the line and have already lost a lot only to be betrayed. Also, on a practical level, while Robb has won every battle, the war of numbers is weighing heavily in the favor of the Iron Throne by the minute, and Robb is making strategically unsound decisions. Defeat is only a matter of time which will mean the annihilation of the Freys. Getting rid of Robb was politically understandable. But I don't agree with the assessment of treating Robb's breaking of betrothal as equal to breaking guest rights, which is a more extreme position that argues Robb deserved it because he 'backstabbed' (which I think is an unwarrentedly strong word for Robb) the Freys. This line in the books is commonly touted by the Freys as a justification for the Red Wedding. But culturally, breaking a betrothal is at best a great insult to House Frey and a stain on Robb's honor which is nowhere near as sinister as the Red Wedding. Red Wedding is not only breaking a 'sacred' guest right but also an act of actual genocide, killing defenseless Northmen by the thousands. Shit, I spent too much time on Reddit. Anyway, I'm glad the Freys are getting some attention.

[@gkbluestocking]

Your points are excellent, especially the second paragraph.

[@ZURATAMA1324]

House Frey Not really a big GOT fan. Stopped watching it after season 4 because season 5 was so fucking disappointing and dull. I hate to sound like a butthurt elitist book fan circle-jerking til eternity, but ASOIAF is wayyyy better in this regard. Even in this discussion, GOT is painting all Freys as one dimensional mustache twirling vilians when the characters could have been much more interesting.

[@ZURATAMA1324]

Jernej Fric Holyshit, I love this post. That's some noice Frey apologetics. Something fresh.

[@martintrebichavsky4243]

Now we know, why it takes to GRRM to write TWOW so long...

[@alphagamer9505]

and this is only ONE plot

[@duganrocks100]

Hopefully he's close at minimum.

[@thebaconpig8680]

I have never been this confused in my entire life and I suffered through quantum mechanics in high school

[@johncannellos7064]

Perwyn Frey and Olyvar Frey weren't at the Red Wedding.......Robb Stark didn't think anything was "off" when his chosen protector and squire weren't with him at their family home? Damn Robb

[@logansmith2703]

John Cannellos I know this is an old comment but Robb tended to be extremely stupid when it came to Freys. He sleeps with an enemy and then immediately marries her even though he's betrothed to a Frey. He did this even though the entire point of that betrothal WAS TO PREVENT BETRAYAL both ways. Then he tries to get his uncle married to them even though he plans to leave the extremely weak Riverlands undefended. Honestly it's no shock they ended up betraying him. Heck had they not helped him as much as they did maybe the Red Wedding couldn't have been possible.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@logansmith2703 to be fair he was only a kid, and his advisors should have known better. In adition his mother was given a direct order to go and choose a wife for him so they could married ASAP while he could carry on the campaign, insted she sits and does nothing productive, if she had gone and fetched him a wife he would have at the very least had her to comfort him when he heard about his brother's 'deaths' (the whole reason he ended up with westerling)

[@johnohara4788]

Logan smith I mean most of that was actually Catelyn’s fault since she didn’t actually pick a Frey girl for him to marry so he couldn’t even marry one

[@fintan6514]

I know this comment is 4 years old haha but funnily enough Robb is actually bothered by Olyvar and Perwyn’s absence when he arrives at the Twins: “I'd hoped to ask Olyvar to squire for me when we march north," said Robb, "but I do not see him here. Would he be at the other feast?" "Olyvar?" Ser Ryman shook his head. "No. Not Olyvar. Gone . . . gone from the castles. Duty." "I see." Robb's tone suggested otherwise. When Ser Ryman offered nothing more, the king got to his feet again. "Would you care for a dance, Mother?" Robb is clearly at least confused by Olyvars absence and Ryman’s poor excuse for why he’s gone (Olyvar is after all Roslin’s full-blooded sibling, it makes very little sense that he would have such an urgent duty to miss his own sisters wedding, to his liege lord no less).

[@fernandojimenez5206]

They do control Riverrun, but the real “supreme” house of the river lands is actually house Baelish, which is supposed to govern the region from Harrenhal. At the same time Petyr Baelish is managing to take control of the vale too

[@johnevans7633]

"Who comes first, the son of the daughter by the second wife, or the son of the third wife?" The mothers are a red herring in terms of succession; it's only descent from Walder Frey that matters, so the question is who comes first: the son of an older daughter, or a younger son? The order of succession is Walder's sons and any of their heirs, *then* Walder's daughters and any of their heirs. Since his sons are ahead of his daughters in succession, they're also ahead of his daughters' sons.

[@thegrimknight9766]

As much as I would love to have the Frey pies confirmed I would like the Freys to still be alive as it would show how intelligent Wyman Manderly is.

[@martintrebichavsky4243]

In books house frey will implode from inside, in show house frey was taken out by wolverine in stupid torture porn scene... I was so foolish hoping for some littlefinger move (D&D forget about Harenhall right?)

[@madman7902]

Martin Trebichavský Yeah Harrenhall has been forgotten by the show. The last time it was mentioned in the show was either season 3 or season 4.

[@DaBroSquad]

@@madman7902 it's off the table

[@halo091]

The show is for dumb leftists forget it

[@darthlazurus4382]

@@halo091 Idiot.

[@zuhaerzabir8121]

@@madman7902 believe me brother..a lot of things are forgotten 🤣

[@gilcanevascini-lastoriafin9583]

You forgot that the Rosby Frey have now a claim, with Gyles Rosby's death, to the Rosby castle.

[@NonApplicable1983]

What if the pies were made only with limbs and the three Freys are still alive but mutilated? Gregor Clegane did something very similar with Vargo Hoat.

[@gllyflower]

+Rodrigo Ugarte What a diabolically interesting notion.

[@thiagorebelo5754]

haha! i thought that too and scrolled down the comment section to see if anyone had already pointed it out! that would be the smartest/cruelest thing to do - hostages + evil satisfaction!

[@cristianyampasi4692]

Damn bro, that would be really shocking and sick, thou not unexpected with this author haha

[@bebos1262]

Moral of the story, don't fuck With Wyman Manderly.

[@marcusanark2541]

Up!

[@edi9892]

ASOIF never ceases to amaze me, since there is so much I've overlooked in the first read-through and there's so much room for speculation (thank you Preston Jacobs and The Order of the green Hand). It's one of the most important fictional books of our time, IMHO.

[@jeffralston1]

If the Vale is gearing up to invade the Riverlands, what does Littlefinger get out of it? Is he expecting, as current Lord of Harrenhal, that he'll become Lord Paramount of the Trident in truth?

[@Braigwen]

Frey Pies isn't a dumb form of revenge unless you call back to the Rat Cook and the breaking of Guest Right. Manderly didn't break Guest Right when he abducted the Freys and killed them... but the Freys both broke Guest Right at the Red Wedding, and offended the Old Gods by consuming the flesh of their kin. So Manderly just doubled their punishment and set the Old Gods' eyes directly on the Freys themselves. The whole house.

[@WorthlessWinner]

3:40 you chalked something up to author error? But wouldn't allowing that GRRM sometimes makes mistakes ruin half of your theories?

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Ha ha, maybe. Jinglebell's kids is just something that's so off, there is way to explain it except author error. There a handful of these.

[@alecesne]

Maybe he's taking a leaf from Mushroom's book

[@Kerrandrius]

Or they were talking about hypothetical kids.

[@Diiffer]

Perhaps Big Walder didn't know Aegon well, and just assumed he might have sons? It's a very big family, Big Walder would have had trouble keeping track of all his relatives.

[@teddycaliendo6744]

He may not have made Aegon a simpleton at that point n the story, as Aegon wasn't introduced nor mentioned to be

[@AaronMDubya]

Holy shit Preston. The quality of the research and theories is just insane. I'm gonna have to bump up my Patreon support.

[@flowersandindecision1725]

Stevron died *suspiciously*, BTW.

[@ethandangberg3773]

I've watched every Preston Jacobs video about a song of ice and fire. I use this one to go to sleep every night for the last week.

[@carolenoman2226]

As always Preston Jacobs you have nailed this topic. I love love love your videos. Your “how I fixed season 8” content is on point! Well done sir. The huge wait for book six has been somewhat ameliorated by your clever and often hilarious videos.

[@kenmalicekjr.7739]

As To the Epilogue i dont know how intelligent Manderly's Frey pies provocation is but its a way to provoke the Freys andBolton. Manderly's plan is one of opposition albeit from the shadows. Taunting/provoking your enemy is a very good way as to make them act rashly. Freys arent smart they are just numerous. Boltons are cruels and cunning but are TRULY hated in the North. Plus Ramsey is a fool. the Show made him seem way more like Roose. Ramsey took advantge of the Norths situation.

[@CommonSenseWarrior37]

Littlefinger: subverting expectations vefore it was cool.

[@731freeman]

Yay, been waiting awhile for this one! Great video Preston, worth the wait. You and George R R keep blowing my mind with this story. Thanks for sharing your insight on KZbin with us

[@yoshisisland24]

I love that the the first episode in the (most recent) playlist came out 3 years ago

[@dustinsmith2021]

This just shows that ASOIAF is not just one story, but many. So many plots within plots. This is a series with no equal.

[@ThaYoungChad]

OMG First Alt Shift X! Now you!? *ARE YOU READY FOR A MIRACLE!!!*

[@HaroldoNVU]

Lmao as ready as I can be!

[@magellan817]

ARE YOU READY FOR A MIRACLE ?!

[@strobbedelutz]

Next up GRRM: " I will release Winds of Winter before 2020! "

[@kqwentin]

Stannis Baratheon is the one true king!

[@denisecalado4296]

exactly my thoughts! its my lucky day :D

[@jackashmore]

God I haven't even read the books and they're so much more interesting than the show and I feel like I need to desperately start reading them

[@sflr38]

Wow. Just a brief glimpse into the level of complication in this series and why it is taking George so long.

[@thewatcher1365]

but this series title has no sexual innuendo

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Or does it?

[@thewatcher1365]

let me overthink that for a while

[@jernejfric4810]

Wars are finished by marriage pacts. If marriage is a metaphor for sex, is war a metaphor for fore-play or fornication? Also Civil wars as in Civil marriage.

[@HeroDark98]

No sexual innuendo? With but a little imagination,: Ice -> cold -> cold bastard -> being a dick -> penis Fire -> heat -> mating -> vagina Ergo, A Song of Penis and Vagina? With but a little imagination, you too can screw up your life and see sex in every word :D I will delete this very soon probably... I am out of it.

[@Kerrandrius]

Frey Civil War: multiple men banging the same woman, and then fighting over whose kid it is.

[@timenright3338]

Also worth noting that the Crakehalls and Lyddens are major Western houses, sworn to the Lannisters, if they have divided loyalties during the carving up of the Riverlands it may be hard for the Lannisters to assert themselves against a Vale intrusion without calling on the already overstretched iron throne for help

[@honestinsincerity2270]

Though his nerves frayed, Walder Frey was not afraid to enter the fray with a cloak threadbare and frayed

[@guilhermesantos8728]

Moral of the story: stop at 3 children.

[@derekrobinson5259]

I never thought I would live a lifetime and see 'Alpha' and 'Frey's' next to each other. Funny old life

[@bodiesofwater9629]

You just made the Freys more interesting and here I thought all I had to look forward to was seeing Lady Stoneheart and the Northern and Riverlords kills the Freys off one by one.

[@bram_412]

A Dance of Towers. Great work, here. I'd love to see two factions holed up in each of the Twins, warring on each other across the river. Bonus points if it keeps a southern force from traveling north to confront the Others. Ask Lady Stoneheart her opinion on the scruples of Manderly pies. Which reminds me: what would Arya have to say about all this? She's kind of a big deal in the Riverlands...

[@tashatuesday1801]

still in the ad, but I am SO EXCITED for this video

[@danny_rose-peters]

Not underestimating Genetics and Dragons, R+L=D, Faceless Man, Battle of Blood, Night's Watch, Littlefinger, Minds of Wolves and Robin, Ironborn and Maesters but this is Preston's masterpiece.

[@user-rz6ss9hh3s]

The intro is absolutely incredible

[@charlesbubba8708]

Preston for the love of God. I love you more than my mother and my girl combined. This is the absolute best thing you have done so far.

[@didntknoicouldchangethis]

You have an incredibly analytical mind! I'm never very interested in what the Freys have cooking, but you put it all into language that I can truly appreciate! Great job on this video, it gives me more to think about, as I re-read the series for the 3rd or 4th time👍😊

[@magicma345]

Been hyped for this since you briefly mentioned it in a random video months ago.

[@magicma345]

Welp, this was really good and I very much agree. I had this idea before but you analyise it to perfection. And Im very intrigued by what you mean by ''murder mysteries.''

[@696190]

that moment, when you remember which random video it was....

[@ognjengaric2687]

Little Walder in Winterfell is definitely one of them. Can't think of many others right now...

[@magicma345]

+Ognjen Garić That one was pretty clear tho. Big Walder.

[@ognjengaric2687]

McMagic15 Except no.

[@grasakfairy8969]

You're the best Preston :) I'm saving this video for tonight - I'm so excited!

[@slavic_bog_warlock]

Christmas really must last 12 days for the Frey family

[@LordBloodraven]

Walder Frey united his family by sheer force of will and played the Game of Thrones with considerable cunning. Lord Ambrose Butterwell tried to play both sides of the First Blackfyre Rebellion by sending one son to fight for Daemon Blackfyre and one son to fight for Daeron Targaryen and wound up with both sons dead. Smooth.

[@willcwhite]

Quite the intro!

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Thank you!

[@edi9892]

I know it from somewhere, but I can't remember the song. Could you please tell me, what it was?

[@osirisgem]

Well isn't Manderly's whole point for not openly taking hostages is fully inline with his motivation to remain sovereign, it was clear that the war was lost in principal after the red wedding. He will likely suffer no retaliation for his act. People will bring up guest rite, but he made a point to give them gifts to signify that the stay was done and his obligation to that standard had been met. I genuinely hope he has an even more elaborate plan, as for my taste, he is one of my favorite ancillary characters.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

It seems that if Lady Stoneheart doesn't kill them, they'll just end up killing each other.

[@susanbishop5349]

I would love to see your notebooks. You are crazy pinpointed on details. Wow, total respect

[@emilybarclay8831]

About Jinglebell’s ‘sons’, maybe it was referring to potential sons that would inherit should jingle bell have any. Potential unborn offspring are usually referenced when discussing inheritance, so maybe the sons weren’t referring to people but to the line of jinglebell

[@nervclax7458]

You couldn't find an excuse to talk about the *Rogue Prince*? Come on, man!

[@Ebbagull]

God, I love how in-depth and nerdy this is! :P :D Great work! :)

[@Poupey]

My favourite AsoiaF youtuber making a video on my favourite house

[@HeroDark98]

Is there a channel out there that dislikes Seasons 5 and 6 as much as Preston does? Cause I need a surrogate Preston to watch when original Preston isn't uploading. More Preston must be had!

[@RygarothRE]

Marc Shanahan the people who helped George write The World of Ice and Fire have a youtube channel where they posted reviews of season 6 episodes and discussions about some of the fundamental themes of the story. Search for Elio Garcia.

[@misterfitzgerald]

Elio Garcia, nice, already enjoying that. Order of the Green Hand is some awesome, well researched and entertaining stuff. They're new, so you'll get through it all quickly, but it's really good. Really.

[@DoReMi123acb]

thanks for recommendations.

[@kingofdaplayazball5817]

George RR Martin hasn't added the first shovelful of dirt to the Dornish Master Plan's burial site and Preston Jacobs is already tinfoiling a Riverlander Master Plan. lul in 2017

[@saintluke2510]

Glad to see you making regular videos again. Make more videos that give your point of view on events that maybe most people don't see. Many of us feel like we're getting good info that we normally wouldn't get. Giving us new material in a sense. That's why most of us love your channel. Please do these more. There's many of us who aren't reading the sample chapters too, so those videos aren't watched to avoid "spoilers"... Just give us Preston Jacob's POV videos on stuff we might not have caught on our reads. THANKS MANG

[@TheLewisScott]

Oh god I am already lost in the family tree of Frey's and I only just started watching. Omg...

[@koa555kovacsandras5]

Preston, you're the only youtuber whose videos I always like before even watching :D

[@gerardadri9389]

well Riverrun is kind of Sansas homeland too..

[@SantomPh]

Misanthropologic Odyssee she did not grow up there, although her mum Catelyn didm

[@rtozier2011]

@@SantomPh With Bran and Rickon missing, Sansa is next in line to Riverrun after Edmure's kid.

[@dwaynekeenum1916]

@@rtozier2011 Arya

[@rtozier2011]

@@dwaynekeenum1916 Sansa is older than Arya.

[@dwaynekeenum1916]

@@rtozier2011 sansa is regarded as a lannister in westeros , stannis agrees

[@giacomolocati8452]

The family tree/succession intrigue is my favourite part of the books! I love this, please make more videos like it.

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

Littlefinger is without a doubt the smartest man in Westros. He's going to as many have pointed out. Going to have the real loyalty of the Vale lords. And most assured the loyalty of the Riverlands. Possibly the North as well, if he puts in the right people. And comes baring food, water, fire wood exact to the Riverlands and North. The Riverlands is desperate for a savior. The North while maybe not as desperate, likely won't say no to food and help. If it wasn't for the ice zombies, I'd call Littlefinger the biggest winner and smartest player.

[@wilmaolandres]

I think olyvar Frey is lord Giles rosby's ward

[@cadefoster6626]

I would have to agree with you on a potential Civil War between the Frey's for two reasons. 1: GRR Martin loves irony 2: Walder, for all of his sniveling and conniving, actually does love his family and stresses family above all things and nothing is more ironic that the man who stressed family only to see them torn apart by greed. So ya, I think in the end it will be the downfall of the Frey's and what the Vale does not kill, the North will get the rest.

[@raphaelfoltin3768]

If ASOIAF was a science, you'd be my favorite professor. Thanks for your work, looking this deep into that stuff must be pretty time consuming.

[@Darthsantana]

I like the idea that little finger would mass an army claiming to go north but then put it in the Riverlands to get Harrenhal. It fits with the idea that the Riverlands are are always the place where the fighting is. I also like the idea of a Frey civil war in that that's their comeuppance for betraying the Starks.

[@davidking6242]

a frey civil war would be so awesome. the family is so much more complex than what i thought. i want the waynwood freys to come out on top (if i had to choose a frey even though i hate most of them)

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Nah, Crakehall Freys ftw.

[@ciobrombe825]

Amazed by your deep knowledge of Westerosi houses connections. I totally agree the Vale army won't likely fight in the North: the riverlands could actually be their goal.

[@CadaverJunky8]

That's the most dramatic intro I have ever seen in my life. I like the gunshot and the single tear of blood.

[@PolicyofIllusion]

Man, having vids like this to go back to during our novel content drought is like picking through old vintages. Pristine stuff.

[@Angenga]

is it not possible that the missing freys were baked into the pies but just parts of them and not their whole body, that way manderly gets his revenge and has 3 hostages with a genuine threat hanging over their heads as they know what manderly is capable of doing to them ?

[@salvatornado]

Both Alt Shift X and Preston!

[@mhorset]

saravá!!!

[@CreepyHollow]

Awesome work Preston, always enjoy listening to your videos after I come home from work, a new one makes it even better.

[@mynameisobel84]

There might also be some Targaryen blood somewhere in the Vale. The maternal grandmother of Maegor (Aerion’s son) was Alys Arryn (not Jon Arryn sister). I think it's likely she took him and his mother under her wing, and he eventual married someone in that region. Actually, it is possible that Maegor had a daughter and that daughter married into House Hardyng, having Harry's father. HtH could have some sort of claim to the Iron Throne. But this is more of a hunch than a theory.

[@perseusm5389]

maybe the frey pies were more for ease of disposal than actual revenge

[@phantomjoker5]

oh hell yeah been waiting for this

[@justwannapost69]

I love you Preston-Senpai. Your videos are always amazing!!

[@Tosei0816]

This actually make a lot of sense. If Littlefinger is going to make a run for the throne, he definitely need the Twins. Whoever won the Battle of Ice will threaten his rear when he move south. The Twins is the choke point against the North. It doesnt make a lot of sense to move north in winter and he does know Varys' plan with Aegon. It might be similar to Robert Rebellion situation were Pycelle open the gate to a feint friendly army. It seems very likely Aegon will try to rush Kings Landing with Tyrell backing. Doran... is harder to place.

[@aemonblackfyre4159]

Im in bed with you fever and you just saved my day together with alt shift x

[@rickgutkowski8727]

The Freys are always described as rats, or weasels. In fact, they spread like rats. The best thing to do, is just kill them before they spread. The Twins is just a rat nest, it's why they all live together. Walder Frey is the embodiment of the Rat King. He fulfilled his destiny with the Red Wedding

[@avichemay8711]

A new Preston Jacobs video, the day off . This day just gets better and better

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

Thanks!

[@Siddharth-vz1md]

House Frey's line of succession is more complex than asoiaf itself

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

Lady Stoneheart is murdering Freys left and right. Does it really matter to her if you were at the Red Wedding or not? Answer hell no. If you answer to Frey or Lannister she's going to hang you. We can expect her to hang at least seven or more Freys. As it helps tie up plot holes. That and calling the Twins burns. However considering grrm, and his earlier work. It makes sense as people eatting people has been done before. Emmon is just a moron with no brains. He shut up once Jaime told him he didn't run the Riverlands. I see Emmon getting killed at some point in the books. Also Preston, why would the three Freyas be useful as hostages? They are from a branch that is proven guest rights breakers. There world is useless. They are untrustworthy to the max. You don't ransom people like that.

[@hoihallo9685]

Lord Jinglebell would have been fantastic though.

[@pwnzer33]

excellent as usual PJ. looking forward to the deeper freys.

[@Inoffensive_name]

Hey, I thought you might like to know that 7 years after you made this video, you're making a new asoiaf fan giddy with excitement about the future of the Freys.

[@frdveloz]

YES!!! I needed this in my life! :D