A Spider's Home - Caravan of Qur'anic Contemplation: Tadaburat #86

#QuranicIslam #CaravanOfContemplation #Tadaburat
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Caravan of Contemplation is an intended regular livestream. The intention behind it is to have a place online that is an open mic so that anyone can come on and share any Qur'anic insights they might have. All insights are welcome. This isn't a forum for me or anyone else to argue against something that someone else has learnt or gleamed from the Qur'an. It is for sharing insights, and so all insights will be listened to respectfully and carefully.
The greater purpose for this stream is to encourage literally ANYONE and EVERYONE to start to think and contemplate and ponder on the verses of the Qur'an, which is something that our traditional inheritance has not only stifled, but has even actively discouraged and warned against at times. Whereas God's invitation to study and ponder His Book is open to all. And so this stream is open to all, Muslims, non-Muslims and ex-Muslims, and whether you know Arabic or not, though of course please also be aware of your own limitations.
So if you have something of benefit that you have gleamed from the Qur'an, then please come on and share.
The secondary purpose is more personal. I would myself love to hear pertinent insights into the Qur'an. Even if in the course of a year I only benefit or resonate with one or two contributions, then I would still be very happy for that alone ... so add to that the fact that I'm sure to meet and speak with a lot of wonderful people, then what more could I want from a regular livestream? Should be interesting
The format I have envisioned, subject to possible change of course, is as follows;
1) Opening: 10-20 mins I will share any insight that I myself have had
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3) Quick meet and greet: This can be mostly filler if no one has anything to contribute. 10-15 mins or up to finishing time. Just a chance for me to try to get to know you, and for you to get to know me.
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We will try to shoot for a total time of one hour, though it will likely be less at the start. I expect it will take a while for this stream to "take off" and attract people who willing to share their thoughts and insights into the Qur'an. Then ultimately and hopefully (the real purpose here) it will start to be a cause and encouragement for many others to start contemplating the Qur'an themselves, and then come and share what they in turn have gleamed and learnt ... and so the cycle continues and grows and repeats itself .... inshallah. And perhaps other channels may start to do something similar as well.
The more viewers who take an active role in spreading and promoting this stream, or coming on and sharing something, then the more people we can attract who can share their own wonderful insights. I am positive that there are many out there. We just have to reach them.
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[@mohamadnymeri3048]

Great insights! Love the discussion with Sheima also

[@perastraadastra253]

Always happy to see a new stream, keep up the good work.

[@gizzmoremo4455]

Thank you for the time spent and knowledge shared 🤗✌️

[@QuranicIslam]

You're welcome Jazakallah

[@easky363]

@@QuranicIslam I'm glad your parents visited you and your family.

[@safetmemic]

what you're talking about is only one aspect of spiders as a species, but I think that attention should be paid to what people see with their own eyes regarding spiders, which is that a spider weaves its web in something already existing, such as a house, forest or other places. A spider web is actually a network of many threads, channels that are tightly connected. Each thread supports the other thread and together they form a stable network. A spider's woven web is not his home, but he occupies an already existing place in which he weaves his web. The net only serves him as a means to catch something. Those who take other protectors besides Allah do a similar thing as a spider because they build a web to support each other. That "woven" web of theirs will easily break just like a woven spider's web can break. Therefore, a bayt is not a house, but a network. This can be easily seen from 10:87, which does not speak of building houses in Egypt because they already had houses in which they lived as Pharaoh's slaves, but to build a network and take that network as the center through which bind and communicate together.

[@safetmemic]

@@thearab8093 First, if you consider that Moses' people left Egypt by crossing the sea to the other side - would it be a smart strategy for someone to build new houses (very noticeable to Pharaoh) that they will soon leave and not return to? Check 10:90. Secondly, Musa's people served as slaves to Pharaoh and they had already lived there before in their houses. Thirdly, Pharaoh had great control over his slaves and most of the people feared him. The only option left to Musa's enslaved people was to build a network of communication centers that helped them organize their departure from Egypt to escape from Pharaoh. In the beginning, the Arabs used the word "bayt" for a tent with one or more poles. Later, that word grew as a name for a house. Check the Lane lexicon. When we look a little more precisely, what precedes a tent, building or house is the construction of an interlaced network of pillars that hold the entire structure from collapsing. Allah is very precise in using words to describe something to us.

[@Shaima_Yacoub]

Jazakum Allahu khayr. I like the insight that the term "network" offers. It's not a sin to build a physical or ideological network in this life for gain. That's what humans should do. But within Allah's parameters. Maybe the idea of the spider building within an existing platform can be further developed. This was super insightful too. The spider does it inconspicuously. The existing platform is unaware. As the brother mentioned the taghut takes you from light into darkness... And Allah's communications do the opposite. So the imagery of the web being constructed in the shadows, discreetly without the host realizing is noted. So is it that the analogy can be understood as the 'journey' of the people themselves who take awliya other then Allah ? Moving from an open, unmasked, natural platform within... To one that is masked and in the shadows..closed off? The nature of the existing platform is that it is open and stationed within a natural order. It's sturdy and part of the macroenvironment.. The nature of the spider web is that its closed off, developed in the shadows and verrry vulnerable. It's an offshoot of the previous natural/open state. Almost like how a sect develops.? It's serves a purpose in it's isolated space and is very tight knit and becomes closed off from the surrounding order except to trap people. And when they get trapped into the sectarianism their hearts die. Wowwww maybe that's it?!?

[@Shaima_Yacoub]

Alsoooooo, the nature of the macro environment is that its beautifully diverse. The micro offshoot always looks the same. No diversity. Cookie cutter .. no thinking .. and a trap!

[@Shaima_Yacoub]

Alsoooooo, the nature of the macro environment is that its beautifully diverse. In accordance with Allah's Sunnah. The micro offshoot is not. It's always the same.. cookie cutter.. no thinking.. and a trap.

[@Shaima_Yacoub]

Imagine you were taking a class. And the teacher gave everyone an assignment. Everyone has to use 5 of the same materials and craft something beneficial for humanity with these items. Imagine the beauty that the characteristics of critical thinking, creativity....diversity would lead the students to create with the same five items. Now imagine these students all decided to base their project on rumours of a previous student who created something great with these five items. Years and years back. And they all decided to model their project on that "supposed" creation they heard about for their assignment and submit that. That's how I see most Muslims operating today. That's the spider web! The spider will ALWAYS entrap its victim and INJECT/EJECT poison into/onto it. Poisonous info....then effectively "sucks the life" out of its prey.

[@OMAR-REZA-HAMiM-77]

I missed it again 😭 I wanted to watch it live at least once 😼 Bump 💚

[@QuranicIslam]

😆 When would have been better for you? How many hours earlier or later?

[@easky363]

@@QuranicIslam you can't accommodate everybody. You're too nice. Thanks

[@OMAR-REZA-HAMiM-77]

No brother it's ok, do it when ever it's convenient for you 💝 i will make time and join one day InshAllah. (i live in Bangladesh so when you go live it's around 1 AM or 2 AM in night time, where i go to sleep at 10 AM) 🤍🕊️🖤

[@IMHS21]

Great video as always, may Allah reward you and protect your family. I am halfway, will watch the rest later so want to comment before I forget. Spiders have the weakest home both physically and in terms of the family qualities. It does not protect from the heat of the sun, or the extreme cold. These threads do not form adequate shade, nor protect from the rain, storming winds, or the dangers of attackers. Also, some spiders also invade and take webs of other spiders, or steal their food from their home. So they steal the house of other spiders and start a living in a house that's not theirs. I dont know in how far this is unique to spiders, but everything added up, they have pretty bad family ties. With regard to halal or haram. It is also often said that analogy is a source of Islam. There some things that we say no doubt are haram but they are not explicitly in the Quran. If we speak about music being haram, then I think it would be wrong to declare it haram by default, but some things are not directly mentioned but fall under the same category and then can be called haram.

[@OMAR-REZA-HAMiM-77]

58:15 😂🤣😂

[@prayasaneffort3231]

Recently there is a discussion come up about prohibition of Quran for other religious places in Arabian peninsula...and some are of the understanding that people of other religion are not allowed to flourish in this region's how does this fit into millions of people of other religion living in gulf countries...isnt it a discrimination.do they have to vacate their livelihood..this has come up specially after construction of hindu place of worship on abu Dhabi highway..

[@QuranicIslam]

There's no such prohibition in the Qur'an. That comes from a Hadith. Who is claiming it is from the Qur'an?

[@prayasaneffort3231]

@@QuranicIslam Thanks for responding..One of the presentors highlighted Quran 8:39 Anfal verse for the prohibition..this is the argument being presented...

[@easky363]

Taking "allies " other than Allah is like the spider web (meaning.....it's not worth it. I don't until the word "allies " in here. We use this word with other words, e.g political allies, military allies "....please explain more the word allies and give examples. Thank you

[@QuranicIslam]

"allies" ie awliya has many parts to it. It means those to whom you give your allegiance and they in return extend to you their protection. That can be "downgraded" or brought down to a personal level when you use it more for "friends", but the same idea hold because friends are supposed to protect each other. And in between those two "levels" there's the friendship/allegiance that gangsters have to their gangs ... they take them as family/friends/their group and the gang protects them. So take that as an example for now; a person having allegiance or "taking on" being part of a defined real gang is an example of taking awliya. If you take them as awliya while not taking Allah as your "wali" above them, then that's a problem. You have a "weak" house that can't protect you

[@easky363]

@QuranicIslam BRILLIANT EXPLANATION ! now, say one or two things about you can take Allah as your "Awliya", "allies "/ allegiance please. Is that a lip service or blind trust of Allah. Some people live in tough neighborhoods full of thugs and gangsters; some people work in a dogy dogy where the survival of the fittest survives, and nice guys finish last if that. Thank you very much.

[@QuranicIslam]

@@easky363 No, it isn't just lip service. It is taking Him as your protector, and guide and trust in your life, (by following His Kitab) through which He takes you out of darkness into light because He takes the righteous as His "'awliya", as His people; { اِنَّ وَلِیِّ ۦَ اللّٰہُ الَّذِیۡ نَزَّلَ الۡکِتٰبَ ۫ۖ وَہُوَ یَتَوَلَّی الصّٰلِحِیۡنَ } [Surah Al-Aʿrāf: 196] And if you show yourself steadfast in that, then His angels come down and are also awliya to you; { اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡا رَبُّنَا اللّٰہُ ثُمَّ اسۡتَقَامُوۡا تَتَنَزَّلُ عَلَیۡہِمُ الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ اَلَّا تَخَافُوۡا وَلَا تَحۡزَنُوۡا وَاَبۡشِرُوۡا بِالۡجَنَّۃِ الَّتِیۡ کُنۡتُمۡ تُوۡعَدُوۡنَ (30) نَحۡنُ اَوۡلِیٰٓؤُکُمۡ فِی الۡحَیٰوۃِ الدُّنۡیَا وَفِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ ۚ  وَلَکُمۡ فِیۡہَا مَا تَشۡتَہِیۡۤ اَنۡفُسُکُمۡ وَلَکُمۡ فِیۡہَا مَا تَدَّعُوۡنَ ؕ (31) نُزُلًا مِّنۡ غَفُوۡرٍ رَّحِیۡمٍ ٪ (32) وَمَنۡ اَحۡسَنُ قَوۡلًا مِّمَّنۡ دَعَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَّقَالَ اِنَّنِیۡ مِنَ الۡمُسۡلِمِیۡنَ (33) وَلَا تَسۡتَوِی الۡحَسَنَۃُ وَلَا السَّیِّئَۃُ ؕ اِدۡفَعۡ بِالَّتِیۡ ہِیَ اَحۡسَنُ فَاِذَا الَّذِیۡ بَیۡنَکَ وَبَیۡنَہٗ عَدَاوَۃٌ کَاَنَّہٗ وَلِیٌّ حَمِیۡمٌ (34) وَمَا یُلَقّٰہَاۤ اِلَّا الَّذِیۡنَ صَبَرُوۡا ۚ وَمَا یُلَقّٰہَاۤ اِلَّا ذُوۡ حَظٍّ عَظِیۡمٍ (35) وَاِمَّا یَنۡزَغَنَّکَ مِنَ الشَّیۡطٰنِ نَزۡغٌ فَاسۡتَعِذۡ بِاللّٰہِ ؕ اِنَّہٗ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ (36) } [Surah Fuṣṣilat: 30-36] Because you are all "one gang", and the "gang leader" will ultimately look after His own. But you have to be tested too and prove yourself and your loyalty and understand that He made this world with a purpose and a plan, and that ultimately "nice guys" absolutely DON'T finish last. The "finish" isn't this life; { تِلۡکَ الدَّارُ الۡاٰخِرَۃُ نَجۡعَلُہَا لِلَّذِیۡنَ لَا یُرِیۡدُوۡنَ عُلُوًّا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ وَلَا فَسَادًا ؕ وَالۡعَاقِبَۃُ لِلۡمُتَّقِیۡنَ } [Surah Al-Qaṣaṣ: 83] The "hereafter" is .. that's where the finish line is.

[@ali.rf7881]

Salam brother, I have a question about verse 37:95 (He said, "Do you worship that which you [yourselves] carve), does it suggest you can have ibadah to inanimate objects? thank you

[@QuranicIslam]

Salaam, it certainly can on its own of course. But i think Ibrahim's arguments and how he dealt with his people have a lot of nuance to them. It can of course be used to teach children about not worshiping idols, but I think we are expected to go beyond that primary level analysis This verse here is a continuation from the question asked in 37:85, which says; **When he said to his father and his people, "What is it you worship? [ie are you in 'ibada to]"** This was an actual question directed to them to make them really consider to what is their 'ibada directed - what is the object of your 'ibada? It wasn't that he didn't know they had idols. He knew that of course (his family used to sell idols according to Jewish literature). So what was the point of that question? The story here is also extremely condensed, you don't see their response. In other suras you do, and ultimately their response is to say "we found our forefathers doing it". So (bottom line, i have to go) is that his destruction of the idols in this context showed that they weren't in fact 'ibada to them, even if they thought they were (and remember that that is the real danger of idols, the true objects of shirk hide and command from behind them ... idols are the Wizard of Oz, the true "wizards" though are behind the curtain in the corner) ... they never spoke (he asks them and they admit so) and so never commanded, and were furthermore destroyed. So exactly who were they in 'ibada to? So now, after destroying the idols, comes the same question again, the verse you mentioned; "do you (really) worship what you carve?" ... ie is that really what is happening here? will you really say that the object of your 'ibada is what you carve? Especially when (next verse) God created you and what you do? So again ... it was a real question. He was leading them to the answer; that no, they don't really serve these idols. But then they went "medieval" on him and just thought as a mob "forget this, let's just burn him" If the above doesn't seem convincing to you, then another approach is to remember that this is a story being related here. Ibrahim talking isn't God talking. This is just how it happened. And this was very early on with Ibrahim. People need to stop seeing Prophets/Messengers as "avatars" of God ... like how everyone finds fault with God for Khidr killing the boy, yet perhaps God Himself will find fault with it when he is judged on judgment day. So anyway, this is Ibrahim early on in life, before he left his people and was given knowledge, wisdom and scripture. This part of his story is in fact pretty soon after he was looking at a start then the moon then the sun "for his Lord". Point is that you can see it that way too ... that at this point he wasn't a Prophet nor Messenger ... he was a pretty zealot very man (just a teenager it seems) who discovered monotheism. Not everything he says is accurate. Even fully fledged Messengers make mistakes. Hope that helps

[@jonghoonpark5497]

According to their behavior, their type of stupid answers or a lack of any right answers, along with their evilness, the implied answer is that they are not in obedience to God, or in other words, they are not in service to or aligned with truth, righteousness, wisdom, love, justice. They do not act in accordance with godly principles and do not serve such causes. Therefore, with or without their material idols, they worship the shaytan. They worship evil. They are not in ibada to God. They're in ibada to evil, or the shaytan. If one does not serve God, it basically doesn't matter whether or not there are physical objects or idols; to be in ibada to something other than God or to associate partners with God means that they listen to, are spurred on by, and follow what is untrue, unrighteous, unjust, unwise, etc.

[@jonghoonpark5497]

Adding to my first reply; in the same way, it almost doesn't matter if someone even claims to worship God if they are bad people. It's because they are not in ibada to God if they're bad people. With or without material or physical idols, if the cause that someone serves on a daily or habitual basis is that which is ungodly, then they are serving something other than God and it can be said that they are guided by and motivated by something that is not God. Their impetus and their will, as well as their resulting actions are not godly. A worshipper of God may also not be perfect of course, but someone who's in ibada to God will always repent and try to reform themselves according to the guidance and principles of God. The Qur'an says, 'Just stay away from/don't do major sins', and often repeats, 'forgiveness and a tremendous reward are in store for those who do good and have faith'.

[@QuranicIslam]

@@jonghoonpark5497 👍 And that's exactly what Ibrahim said to his father "oh my father don't serve ('ibada) Shaytan"

[@Lens.Grinder]

Does awliya here also include believing in istigatha, tawasul or intercession?

[@QuranicIslam]

No. Let me just paste what I answered to someone else who was asking about awliya; "allies" ie awliya has many parts to it. It means those to whom you give your allegiance and they in return extend to you their protection. That can be "downgraded" or brought down to a personal level when you use it more for "friends", but the same idea hold because friends are supposed to protect each other. And in between those two "levels" there's the friendship/allegiance that gangsters have to their gangs ... they take them as family/friends/their group and the gang protects them. So take that as an example for now; a person having allegiance or "taking on" being part of a defined real gang is an example of taking awliya. If you take them as awliya while not taking Allah as your "wali" above them, then that's a problem. You have a "weak" house that can't protect you

[@Lens.Grinder]

@@QuranicIslam I read this comment already. This is what prompted the question, in fact 😅 I am confused because it is easier to draw the line in real life. But tawassul/istigatha complicates it. Those who criticise it say it is totally ruled out - 'inherently' wrong because it necessarily means something other than Allah is sharing in his legislation. I intuitively know this criticism is misplaced because when I send Salawat on the Prophet or say Ya Muhammad in my dhikr, I am not equating the Prophet with God, let alone above God. But if someone asks me, then what are you doing? I don't know how to put it in words.

[@QuranicIslam]

@@Lens.Grinder 😆 ok. Well tawassul and istighatha don't have anything to do with it really. The former is ultimately a dua directed at God, while the latter is at best just calling out to someone who could or could not help you, might or might not hear you, just like with living person, and at worse it is stupidity and ignorance. A related verse is this; { اَلَا لِلّٰہِ الدِّیۡنُ الۡخَالِصُ ؕ وَالَّذِیۡنَ اتَّخَذُوۡا مِنۡ دُوۡنِہٖۤ اَوۡلِیَآءَ ۘ مَا نَعۡبُدُہُمۡ اِلَّا لِیُقَرِّبُوۡنَاۤ اِلَی اللّٰہِ زُلۡفٰی ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یَحۡکُمُ بَیۡنَہُمۡ فِیۡ مَا ہُمۡ فِیۡہِ یَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ۬ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ لَا یَہۡدِیۡ مَنۡ ہُوَ کٰذِبٌ کَفَّارٌ } [Surah Az-Zumar: 3] Here we have those who take awliya and are actually in open 'ibada to them ... but with the claimed purpose that it is only so that they may be brought closer to God What is the response? To declare them damned? No. It is that God will judge them on judgment day. Why isn't their judgment given in the Qur'an? Bc it matters if they are truly doing that out of ignorance that it will bring them closer to Allah or if it is just a claim that's a "cover" ... hence the ending of the verse; "God doesn't guide he who is a liar, an ingrate/kaffar"

[@gizzmoremo4455]

@@QuranicIslam ✌️👍

[@Lens.Grinder]

Make sense. Thank you@@QuranicIslam

[@hectorlasprilla853]

Salaam alaikum. I'm pretty lost on the point related to Ibrahim (A.S.). Help me to understand please. 🥺

[@QuranicIslam]

Sorry, remind me ... which point was that?

[@hectorlasprilla853]

​@@QuranicIslam All of it, the part the sister mentioned.

[@QuranicIslam]

@@hectorlasprilla853 For my part, I was saying that the "test" God gave Ibrahim was to see if he was of "one mind" with God ... that he was "thinking along the same lines as Him" so to speak. Like people do even now in interviews to someone they want to hire. They'd give them a situation/scenario and ask them "what would you do in this situation?" ... ie to "complete" the scenario. It can also be done with words; I start a sentence, and you complete it. Why? To show the "inner" of the person Also like those psych tests. I say a word, you say the first think that pops into your head So I was saying the test God gave Ibrahim to see if he was worthy of bring an Imam for mankind was like that. As an example I said imagine if you didn't know the basmala, and God tested you by the words "In the name of Allah the ..." and asked you to complete it with whatever you like. The one who would complete it exactly as God would shows that he understands God best So now read the verse; { وَاِذِ ابۡتَلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہٖمَ رَبُّہٗ بِکَلِمٰتٍ فَاَتَمَّہُنَّ ؕ قَالَ اِنِّیۡ جَاعِلُکَ لِلنَّاسِ اِمَامًا ؕ قَالَ وَمِنۡ ذُرِّیَّتِیۡ ؕ قَالَ لَا یَنَالُ عَہۡدِی الظّٰلِمِیۡنَ } [Surah Al-Baqarah: 124] Sahih International: And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with words [i.e., commands] and he fulfilled them. [Allāh] said, Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people. [Abraham] said, And of my descendants? [Allāh] said, My covenant does not include the wrongdoers. Yusuf Ali: And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." Of course there's a lot of Hadith inspired things in those translations, but literally the verse says; "And when Ibrahim was tried/tested by his Lord with words (kalimat) and he completed them. He said: I will make you an Imam for mankind ..."

[@Shaima_Yacoub]

Waalaykum assalam 😊.. sorry for the confusion... I was talking about verses 124 all the way to 141 in chapter 2 of the Quran. The cow.. Allah starts off the passage and says that he tested Ibrahim with "words" and he fulfilled them. Khalid and I were discussing what we thought these "words" may be and how it was that he may have fulfilled them. I was saying that I thought the answer to these questions is captured in the passage. Ibrahim kept this message or these words pure. His focus was how to deliver and spread it far down the line. This is contrasted with other groups in the passage who took the same message (words) and went another direction. They focused on the message bearer unfortunately (isa and musa) and became sects. Ibrahim was instrumental in extending this pure message to his descendants without altering it. Yacoub is Ibrahim's grandson. Allah shows us in the passage that this message was delivered appropriately to yacoub and his descendents too. Four generations worth. From Ibrahim, to his son ishaq , to ishaqs son yacoub and to yacoub 12 sons. In their testimony we see the focus maintained on the message itself (the words) not one messenger. This passage from the old testament is an affirmation ... Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob hath sent me unto you.’ This is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations. Verse 140 from the Quranic passage has a glaring clue for this in the way I see it when Allah says... "Who is more astray than someone who conceals the testimony from Allah" ❤️ what testimony??? What "words" ?? I hope that helps 🌹

[@hectorlasprilla853]

@@QuranicIslam Oh, I understand the gist of the conversation you had with the sister. However, we do not know exactly the words that Allaah and Ibrahim uttered, correct? Thank you for taking the time to clarify the matter.

[@rodaaan3640]

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[@QuranicIslam]

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