A Thousand Sons - Magnus' impassion speech || Voice Over (Part 2)

[@lachlanevans5013]

This was Magnus’ biggest mistake, he should have spoke with logic, he should have acknowledged the dangers of the warp, he should have showed he was cautious and was aware of the problems the warp could cause. But he ignored the danger’s because he thought he knew better than anyone. This is what damned him and the his legion and all psykers across the imperium. This is what put the Loyalists at the backfoot at the start of the heresy. Magnus did much wrong, because he was too arrogant to think he didn’t know something or was wrong. He meant well, but arrogance undoes all good will and actions. Pride Cometh before the fall, and Magnus fell hard. And it broke my heart when I listened to this part on audible to see what could have been, and what was lost. I have said it before, in Part 1, but I didn’t cared for the thousand sons before listening to the book. But this book, and Graham McNeil, made me care. Made me care so much.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

magnus never stopped for a moment to think if he should

[@grimdarkdiogenes]

***HERESY WARNING*** Any fault of Magnus is a fault of the Emperor. "Ok hrmm let me bake up this SUUUUPER psychically-enhanced pseudo-son. Perfect! Now I'll just gently provide him, and all of my other too-, I mean, sons, with misdirection and lies about EVERYTHING: from their own nature, to my nature, to ALL of nature! Surely they'll accept whatever I dish up and won't notice those pesky quirks in reality or that, y'know, they can READ THOUGHTS AND MOVE SHIT AND LEVITATE AND SEND THEIR MIND HURLING BETWIXT THE COSMOS." From there, Magnus (and all the Primarchs, really, but Magnus, especially) had absolutely no reason to put any credence in the Emperor's input on psychic abilities or the Warp. Magnus put his faith in himself, in his experience and relative mastery, and in his natural talent. There's an honesty inherent in Magnus' applications of his powers that is lacking in the Emperor's guidance of His sons. Okay. You may call the Inquisitors now.

[@jackstrayfeald1007]

Yeah...I think the Emperor knew Magnus was pulling one over, I have no doubt that he knew how that cave story originally ended, and that Magnus was lying through his teeth by changing the ending, in order to suit his point of view.

[@thundercrash4775]

Not just to suit his point of view, but to match his personal desires. It would've accomplished the same thing if he had simply changed it so that the three men explored the wonders of the world together. The fact that he specifically included praise being heaped on the man who "brought the light"? Shows his intentions to be as self-serving as they are noble.

[@pll3827]

Considering the Emperor was all but confirmed to be Alexander the Great, absolutely. He was there when it was written.

[@krel3358]

Its likely the Emperor already made his decision and foresaw everything and just went through the motions to humour everyone.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@krel3358 I personally put a great deal of doubt on the Emperor 'forseeing' much of anything beyond the broadest of strokes as it's something of a recurrent theme that prophecy and premonition are rarely, if ever, accurate, especially when they come from a Psyker. Then again the alternative is that he did forsee this all happening but chose to make the dumbest moves possible anyway which imo is legitimately funny so that could be worth it.

[@KaiserAfini]

Which was foolish of him, since Big E would have the only deciding vote on the matter and would recognize how he was distorting knowledge to make himself look good, thus betraying his own thesis.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

After a very impassioned speech by Magnus the room fell silent, then from the back rows near the emperor's seat a voice is heard screaming "FUCK YOU MAGNUS!" Leman Russ had spoken.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

Fun fact: Leman actually defended Magnus and wanted the librarius to remain

[@jipowap]

One could say he had a "blind spot" to the warp's dangers.

[@kupper123]

ba-dum tiss

[@tedwintedson8548]

3:10 love that even in the grim darkness of the far future, flat erf is a punchline

[@XRyanK]

Well Magnus' dark prediction is exactly what the Imperium turned into. "Slow decay. An Imperium of darkness & ignorance, where those who seek knowledge are viewed with suspicion."

[@RizalinoGiovanniJuliano]

"The Allegory of the Cave." Wonderful work. 😊

[@TheCreepyLantern]

imagine someone giving an excited speech about how much fun it is to play with radioactive material that someone is less of a danger to those around him then Magnus is being right now

[@PhilipVosteen]

eeh, not someone talking about how fun playing with it was but rather how useful its application could be. which it is. it has objectively turned out to be very useful to humanity that we allowed ourselves to study nuclear physics. nuclear power is one of the reasons a big chunk of mankind has access to electricity. and while horrifyingly destructive, the existance of nuclear weapons has made sure that nuclear armed nations and those around them have enjoyed a level of peace that is unprecedented in human history. because of MAD. so ya kinda proved the exact point magnus SHOULD have made here. warpcraft is dangerous. incredibly dangerous. but if we study it with an open mind and proper caution and care, it has the capability to improve life for both the average human and humanity as a whole by a lot.

[@ZachValkyrie]

This would probably be an inconvenient time to mention the debate between the Radiation Hormesis and Linear No-Threshold hypotheses…

[@WendingWyrd]

I get such a chill listening to this. Magnus is predicting the dark, awful future. If I might level a minor criticism? I imagined Magnus's voice as smoother, more charismatic, with more bass. More like the giant he is. But you did a fantastic job!

[@cronoros]

Great work, absolutely nothing wrong with it (Y)

[@mdv_83]

the fact of the matter hes own sons knew the story and he altered it.. the emperor would of been brother pleeease

[@vampurhntrd]

Not all men with a sharp blade and knowledge of anatomy become surgeons. Jack the Ripper’s legacy outshines countless medical professionals. Magnus willfully omission points to his arrogance which was his greatest downfall. His belief that not only did he know more… that he knew better.

[@NeverQuiteAlex]

Pride before a fall...

[@AFO666]

The sad part is while he pleads a decent enough case, he all but admits that he was accused of and given the rampant fears of the audience and detractora in tandem with the ideals of the imperial truth, he cannot be allowed to continue. The counsil of nikkea was a confessional for magnus to a jury that had its verdict drawn before it even convened

[@B1ackWolf]

The original allegory of the cave ends by saying that while people are stubborn and ignorant to rule themselves. In reality, what's to say that the things outside the cave are more real than the shadows in the cave? It doesn't end by praising the one who escaped because "they saw the light." it ended with the guy who escaped, ending up confused.

[@Jo3yPropane]

I imagined a giant red muscle man to sound more like Xerxes in 300.

[@RogueSanta]

"...forevermore..." Corax: HEY THAT'S MY WORD YOU NERD

[@kupper123]

Pride cometh before the fall

[@itsShiftyYT]

What a barbaric shot at flat earthers 😂

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

He should have said so much more, but he was equally correct and mistaken, as per usual ;-)

[@mn46842]

Magnus really blew this speech he should have taken a different angle. I would have went with caution vs ignorance, that the weakness of men will see us touched by the power of the warp one way or another. Can you blame a blind man, for being lead off a cliff if you hide the truth from him

[@Brainflayer]

Disregarding Magnus' hubris, overconfidence in his own abilities and his blatant disregard towards Mortarion's arguments about the dangers of The Warp, I do find it funny that he used Plato's Allegory of The Cave to try and support his argument considering how old The Emperor is, he was probably there when Plato first drafted the damn allegory.

[@zarpp9411]

Yeah but the big E let the Space furies use their Rune Priest...

[@theunluckychild6470]

if only he keep the story true i think the emp would of let him continue as he was

[@michaelriddick7116]

So ... his argument was to admit that he was guilty but that he did it for a "good" reason? 🤔

[@killrsloth9187]

Here we stand brothers, our primarch speaks naught but the truth as the hypocrites of the space wolves and death guard pulled us down into the darkness of chaos. We never wanted this future, we were loyal to the emperor and in return he spat on us.

[@catthompson4272]

He literally lies to everyone in the room changing the story to suit his needs.

[@grimdarkdiogenes]

Takes after his dear ol' dad

[@B1ackWolf]

... so besides changing the allegory of the cave from questioning what's real and what's not to him jerking himself off as "I'm Jesus." If I had to describe Magnus, he's a 16 year old speeding while texting and then wondering how he ended up wrapped around a tree. "Loyal to the emperor,"maybe follow his orders then? Or pick up the call when an army is in front of your house and wants to talk. Or maybe don't join the guy who literally changed the emperor's orders to have you killed? While knowing that he did that, I might add. Or maybe don't turn down the emperor when he still chooses to forgive you? Or maybe don't give your eye to the weird being you meet in another reality? Or maybe don't try to force your way through your dad's life work because "I'm such a great magic boy," dooming the imperium? That's a big one. "Magnus did nothing wrong." You got that right, he just had to do nothing and he still fucked it up.

[@christianperrotti6183]

Incredible. Also, Magnus did nothing wrong

[@Blackdynamite41]

His purpose was just, it was the action he took to warn the emperor that was wrong unfortunately

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

Yes, he was told to do nothing. And he did it wrong.

[@LordEmperorBoss]

Except destroy the webway project and damn humanity for the next 10,000 years and increasing.

[@MrCOMMDERKILLER]

also by doing nothing wrong Magnus; did more damage to humanity then Horus himself ever did.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

@@LordEmperorBoss Which in itself was more of a failure on the Emperor's part for not involving Magnus, you know, the Primarch he intended to use as the literal battery to power it.