A train powered by aircraft engines: The UAC TurboTrain

A Canadian/American high-speed train powered by gas-turbines.
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[@James_Knott]

I rode on the Turbo from Montreal to Toronto, in Jan. 1976. As I was working for CN, back then, I rode for free. The Turbo was replace by the LRC (lightweight, rapid, comfortable). I also rode it for free, before it entered service, on an excursion from Toronto to Oshawa and back, for CN employees. I also used to live in an apartment, overlooking Guildwood station, so I could see and hear the Turbo from my apartment.

[@RayleighCriterion]

Was the rail track smooth enough to handle those speeds? I recently travelled from Toronto to Ottawa on VIA and the tracks were barely able to handle the 120 km/h speeds.

[@James_Knott]

@@RayleighCriterion No. The Turbo was limited by the poor track conditions.

[@patb5266]

Thanks. I took the train from Nova Scotia to Toronto in 1976 for my grade 6 grading present 😅. It was awesome, we were on the Day/Nighter I think it was called. Basically the seats reclined as it was an overnight trip. I think we changed trains twice, NB somewhere and then YUL for the Rapido I think it was😊

[@bradlevantis913]

I was in kindergarten and rode this with my mom to Montreal from Toronto(Guildwood) . The operators actually let me in to the cab. What a blast for a 5 year old

[@mikenb3461]

I don't remember when, but I was on one of these at some point in the early to mid 70s in Ontario. I was around 10 years old and my mother took me to the upper dome. I still remember being fascinated by the fact that there was a large window so you could see into the operator's cab. Oddly, I also still remember that the engineer had his shoes off. Ah, the luxury!

[@Solar55]

I was also 10-11 years old and would spend my days down by the busy rail line in Kingston. It was really exciting to hear the distinctive whistle before the Turbo would appear, banked over, coming around a corner hurtling toward you ! Then they added Kingston as a stop between Montreal and Toronto and my parents booked us a trip on the Turbo ! I was so excited and waited for the train to finally arrive ... 2 hours late and being pulled by a regular diesel locomotive. It was also overbooked and our seats were already taken, so they sat us in the rear dome car/engine. That part was great for the view, but the train had no AC and it was brutally hot. We toodled along at about 50 mph, very disappointing in the end. :(

[@dcolb121]

I hate informational videos with constantly playing music.

[@jondonnelly4831]

Same disliked it. I also hate the stupid zoom transitions.

[@philleasthouse3791]

Probably the most annoying soundtrack I've heard!!!

[@rootbeer7966]

Bloody annoying

[@NSaneBuilds]

Maybe don't watch it then...

[@jayanthakumari9663]

The zooming is annoying

[@jaswmclark]

In 1968 I had a job for the summer on Canadian National in the Brockville shops, this being the first division point west of Montreal. Had more railway experienced engineers been involved in the initial design they might have been better. Initially we called them "Rudolf's" because of their red noses, and later glowworms when they showed a tendency to catch fire. The reason for the delay of a year was because the PT-6 turbines were used in combat helicopters for Vietnam and the Americans would not release the high temperature alloys needed for the turbine blades until the needs for Vietnam were filled.

[@EVCarGuy]

Can't concentrate on the information presented because of being distracted by the annoying "plinky" music.

[@max1custom]

Was on one from Toronto to Montreal in 1976 for transport to the olympics. Via still has a few of the passenger cars left in service and I saw 2 in use on a passenger train in Winnipeg a few years ago.

[@mikeweaver8790]

I was fortunate enough to be able to ride one of these from Boston to New York in the mid 70's. It had been a New Haven Railroad train taken over by Amtrak. The unit I had had some seats in the top level of the locomotive cabs which faced out the rear of the cab. This meant that by sitting in these seats in the rear most locomotive cab car, you were facing the direction the train was headed. I could look out over the top of the entire train and see the locomotive car at the front, just as if I were in the dome car of one of the older Western US trains. It was an exciting, comfortable and enjoyable trip. Incidentally, I also got an opportunity to ride the unique General Motors "Aero Train" on the old PRR around the Horseshoe Curve to Pittsburgh. It was another great railroading experience.

[@wramsey2656]

Like owning a muscle car in the 70s and the speed limit was set to 55mph, never could stretch your legs. This train would have been awesome had it been put on a rail system which was using it's own secure right of way (no automobile crossings). I was in Japan in 2009 and rode in their high speed trains, wonderful professionalism of the people with such outstanding engineering.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

it's true, but what would the cost of 500kms of new right of way cost? The cost of the trains would be the budget for donuts and coffee. And if you're going to create a dedicated , grade-separated line, why would you use anything but electric power? These, as with all HSR in Canada, were a kind of kidding-ourselves game that masked the compromises and resistance to making the necessary investments needed.

[@wramsey2656]

@@danieldonaldson8634 I understand. I was in the electric power industry and had to acquire the right-of-way which was no easy task (even before price was discussed). In the USA there was a time when ROW was easier to get but those days are long gone. Its a tough fight which can last years with no guarantee.

[@mathieud.4060]

There no point of running a high speed train if they dont built an exclusive railway adapted for high speed. Like you said Japan high speed train system.

[@josemanuelregueroherrero5804]

@@mathieud.4060 siiiiiiii historia de talgo mundial

[@martinliehs2513]

The good thing about Canada is that it is a huge country....except, that makes rail infrastructure difficult. Forty years after the Turbo was discontinued, we're still talking about the elusive goal of high speed rail in the population rich Quebec City to Windsor, Ontario corridor.

[@dododostenfiftyseven4096]

“When the future was cool…now the future sucks”

[@Eremon1]

Really sad that not one of them was preserved for a museum.

[@dalesmith8666]

I rode on these trains back in the day. My parents and myself lived on the south shore of Montreal, and my moms parents lived in Niagara falls, so every summer we would visit my grand parents. Been there done it! I was really dumbed out when CN pulled them out of service. What a shame! Loved the smell of Kerosene and the whine of the turbines! LOL!

[@jazzsoul60]

I remember these things in my home town of Stamford, Connecticut. Part of the N corridor. They were very distinctive. You could see them when you rode down I-95.

[@oi32df]

J'ai travailler chez MLW Bombardier à Montréal et les LRC qui ont suivit le Turbo n'ont pas eu la fiabilité attendue. Le chassis tout aluminium n'endurait pas bien entre autre la vibration des moteurs diesel.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

my father worked on the design teams of both the Turbo (at UAC) and on the LRC (at Bomardier)! You're correct, the LRC was really the more sophisticated train: better suspension, and a lower profile that made them more efficient; and, the diesels were much easier to run and maintain. And better suited to Canadian weather and track...

[@oi32df]

@@danieldonaldson8634 ...but about this ''Le chassis tout aluminium n'endurait pas bien entre autre la vibration des moteurs diesel'' = ''The all-aluminum chassis did not endure well, among other things, the vibration of the diesel engines.'' : Am I wrong or not ?

[@thomasklimchuk441]

When these were introduced on CN They listed as aircraft, and because of that alcohol was allowed to be served. The head crew had to wear uniforms no blue jeans were allowed. For some reason, CN repainted the train from white to yellow, and the crews began calling it the yellow canary

[@oi32df]

Blanc à Jaune parce que c'etait devenu un service de Via rail .

[@James_Knott]

I hadn't heard of them listed as aircraft. However, as one who has traveled on a lot of trains, both passenger and freight (I used to work for CN), I can assure you they served alcohol on other trains. They were repainted after VIA took over CN & CP passenger service.

[@davestrains6816]

I always wanted one of Rapidos turbo train for my N scale layout. Just couldn't afford it. Outstanding video and thanks for sharing. Dave

[@markryan2475]

This is awesome - thanks so much for compiling it and sharing it

[@jeffyounker3785]

As I recall one of the problems with turbines was that the exhaust ran too hot. In one case an engine stopped under a bridge, and it melted the road surface above.

[@robertslugg8361]

Turbines are used where weight or size savings is a major concern, such as planes or natural gas pumping stations. It was a good choice in trains only when used in 5000HP plus applications in moving freight out west where noise was less of a concern, as in the 20 engines made up for Union Pacific.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

And what I this based on? The UP turbines were meant for hauling heavy freight loads at low speed. There were built for smaller trains, frequent passenger service. With 2400 hp on tap, the power to weight ratio for the entire train was higher. The division of power between a lead and trailing power unit meant the trains could run return trips without being turned, but it was also done to distribute the noise between the units. Given that noise and slow speed is a major factor in the UP turbines being abandoned, it's easy to understand why this was done. My father, who was one of the lead engineers on the project, as the main sales engineer for the PT6 and ST6 for United Aircraft Canada, had also been an engineer on the Napier Deltic powered Flying Scotsman in the UK , and was a highly experienced train propulsion engineer, in a team of highly qualified guys - I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing. What they could not predict was the rise in fuel prices that followed the OPEC crisis during the 1973 Arab Israeli war, which caused prices to triple. That' unmentioned in the video was a huge factor, given the high consumption which also characterized the UP turbines (in an era of low fuel prices).Another, barely mentioned, was the resistance of the Montreal maintenance crews to retraining on turbine maintenance, and VIA's lousy maintenance procedures... Also, in what way are weight and size an issue in a static pumping installation? Turbines' use case was well matched to train that had to move at high speed, with relatively light weight, and as the video points out, their very compact size provided effectively a half-car of passengers in the power units, allowing shorter trains to be run economically.

[@TheAmericanCatholic]

The ploblem with turbines is turbines are only efficient at max capacity.

[@rtqii]

@@TheAmericanCatholic That is one problem. Another is the noise.

[@stevecausey545]

Nice work! I didn't know these existed..thank you for the look.

[@SunShine-dk6rk]

Thanks for a really well put together upload,as a youngster growing up in London I visited Canada in the 70s,used to love hearing the loud horns on the trains in Calgary,I travelled there from Heathrow on a Wardair 747,back then there was no internet and it's only now I'm learning about Wardair and things like this train, Best wishes to yourself,family,friends and fellow viewers.

[@vap57]

I worked for Wardair! We operated from Gatwick to Calgary.

[@SunShine-dk6rk]

@@vap57 That is great,may i ask what you did there as im interested in history and folk that are part of it,as a youngster I found the staff super friendly on the Wardair 747 and back then we were allowed in the cockpit for a tour,had my first ever steak on that plane. Think it was 79 I was there and remember during my visit to Canada flags were half mast as the Prime minister had passed on. I tried a drink there called Orange Julius and in Calgary I stayed in Meadow View ave nearby a great curiosity shop selling ethnic goods called Aztec Interiors and a great Pizza place called Venus or Neptune so long back I cant remember,I purchased a Calgary football vest in black,white and red and visited Calgary Tower still have the pin badge from there and Though the souvenir tshirt wore out kept its chest pocket with the Tower print on it,was really for me a once in a life time trip I will always cherish. Thank you for your message and best wishes.

[@vap57]

@@SunShine-dk6rk I worked at Wardair from 1980 to 1989. I was based in Toronto for the majority of my tenure, but was also stationed in Edmonton for a time. I worked in various positions. I worked in Reservations, Payload Control, Customer Service, Marketing and Training. I held a few positions in some of those departments. When I was in Edmonton, I remember buying Chili Dogs from Orange Julius as they were so good! Orange Julius is till around these days. The meals on Wardair were amazing. The steak was always one of the options offered to passengers. We also had salmon Wellington, Chicken and I even had lobster on a flight from Honolulu to Calgary. Our Wardair Class Service inflight and out Customer service on the ground were our main focuses. We knew we had to be better than the two other large carriers at the time, Air Canada and CP Air ( later it became Canadian Airlines after a merger). Wardair ended up being purchased by Canadian Airlines and was merged into it in 1990, or so. Wardair was a great place to work, probably my favourite job. Many of us still keep in touch 40-50 years since we've seen each other!

[@SunShine-dk6rk]

@@vap57 Thank you for taking the time to reply,it was pleasant to hear about your time at Wardair and very interesting,it's great to watch vid's and read about these things but chatting with someone who was part of it is equally a great experience,thank you for sharing your memories and wishing you a super Easter weekend.

[@briandarrah7303]

Thanks for the video and the pictures, drawings and photos. I really enjoyed the look into when the future was cool.

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

I remember taking the Turbo one time as a yonge teenager, from YUL to YYZ.

[@James_Knott]

Those are airports.

[@alexclement7221]

Never had a ride on this specific train, but around the same time Amtrak had other turbine-combo trains running on various routes, one being the Empire Corridor (NYC to Buffalo). I remember riding those several times down to Grand Central in NYC; they had a rough ride, they were noisy, the big plexiglass windows were scratched to hell, and there was a distinct odor of J1 jet fuel in the air. Having BIIIG windows was actually a detriment, not only because they were so scratched as to make actually SEEING anything impossible, but on winter days they let all the heat out, and the train was extremely cold inside. Also, when flying along at 70 mph, and a heavy freight coming along at 70 mph the other way would scare the crap out of you if you were seated by the window on that side. Nobody missed them when they were removed from service and replaced by regular Amfleet cars, which had a smooth ride and were warm inside!

[@dancostello6465]

UAC were quality designers of everything else. Sad to see them gone.

[@TOONMAN200]

I would have liked to take a ride on this train. At the time I was in my late 20s, if i knew about this train I would have taken a ride. To bad all the trains were destroyed, thanks to your video, we saw how it was designed, an operated. THANKS

[@AndreiTupolev]

SNCF had Turbotrains as well until into the 90s if not the 2000s, though these were conventional DMUs with I think 160 km/h maximum speed with a gas turbine engine in one power car and a conventional diesel-electric in the other

[@HeavensProtocol]

There's a gasoline powered Gas Turbine ride-on train in Hayward, CA public park that rides 7.25" wide track. I love your feature.

[@juliogonzo2718]

I'm sure CARB loves that

[@rdallas81]

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[@rustyneuron]

When the future was so cool that the word "cool" still meant mildly cold.

[@PorscheRacer14]

I have a growth chart from VIA Rail from when I was a kid. It had some futuristic train on it as you fold it out and eventually grew up over the years. Now I know what that train was modelled after. This was really neat to learn about!

[@elkarlos1]

Great video, the effect of the photos disappearing and a new one appearing keeps you watching. I really enjoyed it. I had a train set like this when I was a kid in the 70s but never saw the actual train on New Zealand rails.

[@OofusTwillip]

I was very little when these trains ran in Canada. We called it the Ladybug Train, because its red nose looked like a ladybug. We rode it once, to Montreal. Most of the tracks are owned by freight railways, so freight trains take priority over the passenger trains that lease the right to use them. The vast networks of dedicated passenger railways throughout Europe and Asia are the way things should be, but never will be, in North America.

[@auntbarbara5576]

What a delightful channel!

[@interstellarphred]

Rode the Turbo in regular service, hard riding, bouncy, loud, deafening roar when accelerating, electrics could outperform in lower speeds. Great view in the dome.

[@patb5266]

Cool I didn't know about this, thanks😊

[@brucemacduffee6969]

Interesting topic but HORRIBLE and irritating background "music",

[@robertwilloughby8050]

I get slight DB VT11.5 vibes from the turbotrains.

[@2001cavador]

They were in operation for 20 years and nobody thought of videoing a future super train. I kind of find that hard to believe. Was it because video cameras were prohibitively expensive back in the 1960s. I myself owned a video camera back in the 1980s here in Australia and if I were there I would have filmed it.

[@unutentequalsiasi5669]

Good editing! Great video!

[@am74343]

1965: The announcement of the High-Speed Rail Project. 2023: *sounds of crickets chirping* BTW, I think the music and effects are good. Everyone should stop trash-talking.

[@bouffant-girl]

Ole Blow !! These Gas 🚉 Turbine Locomotives were allowed in rural areas; but were Prohibited in Urban Areas

[@matsv201]

Its worth saying that there exist sort of a spiritual successor to the turbo in spain. It may not look the same, but the configuration is fairly similar. It have a simular single axel configuration with 9 intermediate wagons, a diesel-electric drive in both end resting on 2½ axels. It also have a additional electric power head on both side, making it a electro-diesel train (that is a diesel electric that can run on both diesel and main power, this is also true for the turbo being able to use DC power). The two diesel engines have total 3600kW, consideral more than 1500kW of the turbo. The spanish train is considerably longer and heavier this is pretty much exclusively due to the added electric power heads adding about 120 tons of mass and a bit more than 50 meter of extra over all length. Apart from that the Spanish train also have a gauge shift function, being able to operate on both standard gauge and broad gauge track. It can operate at a top sped of 250km/h on standard gauge, 220 on broad gauge and 200km/h on diesel. There are some differences, but in spirrit the trains are very similar. The AVE S730 is made to run both on core network as well as broad gauge network, but not only that reach out far into the country side where there is not even power linbes,.

[@A_Canadian_In_Poland]

It might be because UAC (United Aircraft Corporation), the builder of the TurboTrain, subcontracted Talgo to build the rail trucks/bogies and pendular system.

[@christopherlucy1772]

The cousin to the same train set used on the New Haven and Penn Central which I never saw but there is a picture of her coming out of Back Bay station before it was remodeled in the intro.. at the time I lived in Boston! The last alternative train experiment of the Northeast Corridor until Acela..

[@fhwolthuis]

Nice video 👍🏻

[@ferlenarab]

The only time I haerd of these was an article of them being scrapped, a shame.

[@squiggymcsquig6170]

It wasn't the thumbnail or the title that hooked me. It was the creator's name -- "When the future was cool". I've lived through the cold w ar, the times of four actual wars, the "energy crunch" of the '70s, a "rapidly approaching" ice age, the ozone hole, acid rain, the bubble-pop of 2008, killer bees, the Chevy Vega, New Coke, etc; etc; At the worst, through all of these, the future WAS cool...something to be optimistic about; not the manipulated nightmare layed out for us all now.

[@geoffreytanner7749]

Tilting carriages were tried in the UK and abandoned. If your linee are predominantly straight (needed for high speed) there was no need.

[@dekon70]

I remember when these were based in Providence, RI.

[@geronimo5537]

As a 90s kid I never saw this train in real life. But I remember seeing it mentioned in train books that I enjoyed reading. Still one of my favorite trains to ever exist and a statement on how there is still much improvement we can make in travel.

[@carlsmith5545]

Always once apon a time. Now Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology is the new american dream..

[@tonymento7460]

I have a color picture of the Turbo train at South Station in Boston Massachusetts when it was New Haven RR before it became Penn Central RR

[@tirumalaikamalakanthamanan4847]

During my college days 1976period was wondering why Jet engines were not tried on Trains. This information excited me and also felt how it could have been improved. Fuel used in these must be high speed kerosine, which is much economical to other fossil fuels I suppose

[@marko7843]

Not at the rate of consumption these engines probably had, especially when higher-sulfer diesel was so much cheaper back then. Turbines are only efficient at one, usually high, speed. The slower they were operated from the original design speed, the higher the fuel burn per mile... not to mention getting back up to speed after a stop.

[@b43xoit]

A bit surprised at the geared xmission instead of electric. I wonder how they changed ratios and how many there were.

[@tonymontesano]

Family connection Father was hired as a temporary train mechanic for Turbo Train in its last years of service.

[@johnhirtle4300]

They were LOUD!

[@ivannightly1919]

growing up my father knew one of the designers it wasnt so much the advance tech that was the issue - more so were the tracks they were in such bad shape and uneven the train couldnt reach its max speed in the end I used to see the last few stuck in union station for years before they hauled them away, to be replaced by the short lived LRC trainsets their engines seemed to have lots of issues as the cars continued but the engines were replaced

[@rossbryan6102]

I DID GET A CHANCE TO VIEW ONE OF THESE IN KANSAS CITY AND CHECK THE ENGINE ROOM AS WELL! THEY WERE RETURNING EAST AND HAD BEEN AT THE DOT RAILROAD TEST FACILITY IN PUEBLO COLORADO! I WAS NOT IMPRESSED GIVE ME THE AMTRAK DOUBLE DECK LONG DISTANCE COACHES ANY DAY!,

[@GeoffGarit]

The record doesn't still stands this day for turbine powered rail vehicles, french TGV001 train reached 318km/h in 1973 (about 197.5mph), beating the 171mph record in earlier runs in 1972

[@darrenlane6316]

This is correct, however, that TGV never went into commercial service.

[@MrZlodeus]

The UAC Turbo Train looksalmost like a B-24 Liberator fuselaaaaaaaaage on rail way wheels 😊

[@jan-akebarme4314]

The music was so extremely annoying I was unable to watch the movie, although I found it really interesting

[@oi32df]

that was electro-psychedelic music of very bad kind

[@icenijohn2]

Yes, yet more completely pointless 'music' (and that's being generous to describe it as such...) that contributes absolutely nothing at all to the content. Why does almost every KZbin creator think that 'music' is necessary for every damn video? PLEASE, no more of this annoying superfluous dross. Thank you.

[@htimsid]

Same here.

[@ferlenarab]

It is very,very annoying, video would be much better without it

[@xymaryai8283]

i think the music is far better than the average stock music, but the lack of variation was mind numbing. i like the music, just need more variation

[@Nasty_Ramen]

anyone got a name on the song played in the beginning

[@ElectricUAM]

What a shame none of them were saved. What a stunning design. They remind me a bit of those Dutch commuter trains. The French Turbo train wasn't as stunning. It also reminds me somewhat of the German TEE. Man, those trains had flair back then.

[@wespaisley257]

Go train Go....

[@pickle4034]

We can use metal and fuel anytime. It is plastics and uranium that we should avoid

[@cipher8048]

what is the name of music ?

[@DetroitMicroSound]

This is good, and so is the background music, but the music is distracting.

[@Perich29]

that was the Canadian Bullet Train.

[@gokceralp]

Wish one of them was preserved to be displayed in a rail museum or something. By the way, how about their productivity? Fuel consumption per passenger? Better than regular diesels or not? I think it was much worse :) But still it's a beautiful machine. Japanese still use that "driver dome" on some of their urban trains.

[@htimsid]

Please take away the 'music'!

[@Cazador60140]

Turbo train T3:50 whoo ooooh! Technology at its best , streamlined, hot food prepared ahed of time served by a hostessfaster, qyieter , lighter, chepaer yes it is. Did not last long with its balancing cabin except in winter when everything freezes up last trip was October 1982 what a success in designed , Will be replaced by a faster train 5 hours 1 min ( minute here very impportant) . See boyz and gurls how fast we move in theis cuntry

[@waltbauer1003]

Wait. So these had a 400 bhp engine? When a standard diesel has 4,000. So even tied front to back, that's still only 800 ?

[@danieldonaldson8634]

No, there were 3 power units in each loco, and one generator. so total motive power 2400hp, and because the electrical power requirement were provided by separate units, all of that 2400 was going to the wheels.

[@hudgyderobertis]

It's odd that these trains would be scrapped. Wouldn't someone want to save just one for a museum (in Montreal)? They were pretty unique. And after 15 long years the train signals were deemed inadequate?

[@doppler3237]

the music was so annoying I had shut it down, to bad

[@yorkemar]

Reminds me of snowpiercer train

[@wizzard5442]

I watch YT videos muted but with CC on. No music problems.

[@cipher8048]

it appears I'm the only one enjoyed the music :D

[@UnrelGoD]

How can it's record of 275km/h still stand, if the french TGV has the record of 318 km/h ?

[@pickle4034]

I enjoyed the music but it should have been extremely low volume

[@teslaelectro9657]

They don't wanted trains nor tramways Only cars and planes: more OIL consumption 💰💰😎

[@glike2]

Curious how one of these would compare in CO2 emissions to a modern short haul airliner, granted a modern turbo train could be improved.

[@pearsooo6972]

Lionel.should make these

[@tirumalaikamalakanthamanan4847]

Indian Railways had imported Canadian Steam engines for passenger Trains successful operated up till 1975/79 period, perhaps Canada could hv donated these to IR they would he done justice this technology

[@stickynorth]

Turns out the secret to high speed rail isn't the fancy trains, it's the tracks... You can run pretty mediocre trains at pretty decent speeds as long as the track conditions are great... Otherwise it won't matter how cool the train is, the ride will suck and performance will be terrible... I think the solution has been found by Brightline West with its LA to LV train project... Build it entirely in free, government-owned Interstate highway medians to save cost and legal issues even if it means taking corners/bends slower than traditional high speed rail... You can still get viable higher speed service of around 125 mph/200 kmh with almost all of the benefits of true HSR without the cost or insane engineering issues of said service like you do at 220 MPH like the nearby California HSR is trying to do but will never be finished at its current financing/construction pace...

[@danw1955]

If they would have upgraded the infrastructure at the same time they built these, they would probably still be running today. Running passenger service on the same line as freight is stupid, but I don't own a railroad, so can't do much but speculate.😉

[@MrL0rn3]

10:37 Japan and France, and that other country that has the largest high speed network in the world as well as a few maglevs lol

[@stenic2]

The nose resembles a B-24

[@EIBBOR2654]

I never have understood why the locomotive manufactures have never gone to a turbine electric drive. Unless they need the extra weight in the locomotive for pulling the loads, but that could be made up by adding ballast weight. After several decades of Doge playing around with the turbo cars they found that the jet engine is most efficient at one RPM speed. That turbo shaft could be made to run the generators that power the electric motors they use now. A set up like that would probably be more fuel efficient for the train industry.

[@pickle4034]

You guys complaining about the music. Turn off volume and turn on captions and or slow the video down. Its not hard. Top right 3 dots on the video screen.

[@ef66kenken]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@dhy5342]

I guess any video of these things in operation must have been scrapped along with them.

[@Perich29]

Instead of scrapping the whole trainset, they could have removed the jet turbine out of theme and convert them to all electric like they did with French TGV during oil chrise, or remove the jet turbine and put diesel engine in them.

[@mikedrown2721]

I enjoyed this video even with the annoying music and zooming in and out

[@DonLuc23]

Musical train?

[@herbert5491]

Yes, that music is so stupid

[@davidmiller661]

Great video minus that super annoying music played throughout the entire video. I watched the first few minutes hoping I could focus on the video past the music but that was not the case.

[@paulsehstedt6275]

Super information, but who is responsible for the annoying music.? It ruins the whole docu!

[@steverogers508]

Enough of the zooms-to-black and reverse! Ruins otherwise interesting material.....

[@the_kombinator]

275 KM/h, that's TGV/KTX territory.

[@gs425]

No where near it I'm afraid. TGV test speed is 575kmh. Service speed 300kmh.

[@the_kombinator]

@@gs425 OK what I meant the test speed was pretty close to what the KTX runs (which is pretty much a TGV). That's still pretty impressive.

[@gs425]

@@the_kombinator yes I was surprised at that speed myself. Particularly on a us railroad. Must have been quite a sight and sound

[@the_kombinator]

@@gs425 I was born as they were scrapping them :(

[@004Black]

One would think an engine and car would have been saved for the sake of history.

[@The52car]

While I appreciate the additional photos, this is just a read straight from Wikipedia. Also, no need to paused the dialog for every slide transition. This could have been an 8 minute video if you cut all the awkward pauses.

[@amyjojinkerson5668]

why not build them now with all the tech we have