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[@TheMaxipa]

Why are seedoils in group 2? Producing them takes some heavy processing.

[@englandsensation]

It does, but they don't contain lots of indredients. They don't have many aditives or chemicals. It's basically just oil.

[@gilessteve]

@@englandsensation If group 2 is for foods that have undergone light processing, then seed oils don't belong there.

[@loot6]

@@englandsensation They just contain ONE ingredient that is not natural at all. They are the worst of the lot.

[@gilessteve]

Cold pressed olive oil belongs in group 2, but processed seed oils don't sit comfortably in group 2 IMO.

[@loot6]

Seed oils should be in the ultra processed group for sure. As should anything with artificial sweeteners or glucose syrup in them instead of sugar.

[@callicordova4066]

I agree.

[@ColdRunnerGWN]

Why is that? There is no evidence that seed oils are problematic, quiet the contrary. Flax and canola are just are shown to be just as good as EVO for your health. Other oils such as soya, safflower, and sunflower have also shown to be fine for your health.

[@gilessteve]

@@ColdRunnerGWN PUFA's are not stable when heated. The double carbon bonds break down to form trans fats which are toxic to the body. They are maybe safe if used cold, but who wants to put canola oil on their salads?

[@KickThuBucket]

Keep talking rubbish, seed oils are inflammatory ​@ColdRunnerGWN

[@dynamosaurusimperious2718]

Well this is a nice video on the new classification of food

[@Casper2905]

Thanks for the upload.

[@Olivia-W]

Seed oils are incredibly processed, too...

[@loot6]

Yes definitely ultra processed.

[@hawks9142]

Not really. They're just squeezed hard. Or at least the cold pressed ones are

[@loot6]

@@hawks9142 They're ultra processed in that they're totally unnatural. Something is extracted out of something else and then consumed in far higher quantities than it was meant to be and even heated to extreme temperatures (when used for cooking).

[@ColdRunnerGWN]

No more than non-EVO olive oil.

[@ColdRunnerGWN]

@@loot6 - Please stop repeating the BS you hear online. There is plenty of evidence they are not only not an issue to your health, but they are just as healthy as EVO.

[@gilgabro420]

Not including oils is a corard move.

[@RobertMullis]

When the newspeak wizards start changing definitions.

[@thefisherking78]

Interesting paradigm. Still, the type of processing is important. Thermal, chemical, physical, etc. Some processing (including most traditional processing) makes food more easily digestible, bioavailable, or just less prone to spoilage. Newer processes are largely oriented towards producing hyperpalatable and more profitable foods, and tend to have less beneficial effects on nutritional characteristics.

[@heyokaikaggen6288]

You see, this only goes to show that Dr Hannibal Lecter was right all along. The man had an enviable commitment to a free-range, organic diet. Furthermore, he also made considerable efforts to reduce his community's carbon footprint.

[@Greenpoloboy3]

Remember to eat your greens. Green jelly, the green m&m's, the green smarties etc etc

[@chrisneedham5803]

I'm on a seafood diet ..... if I see food I eat it.

[@jjjm-mh9rb]

omg..

[@TraumatisedTyrone]

This somment made my day

[@leonbanks5728]

I love that show.

[@leeleblanc3788]

I Love Green... in my belly lungs brain veins etc etc

[@kbs8586]

@bbc I’m not in the UK. I don’t have access to Iplayer - how can I watch this entire program?

[@loot6]

It's not even available on iplayer anymore anyway so being in the uk wouldn't help.

[@rebekahshoop2949]

the vast majority of animals farmed and killed for meat have been fed hormones/antibiotics/and ultraprocessed animal foods, not to mention their own natural cortisol and adrenaline released when they are under duress/experiencing fear.

[@reamuji6775]

How robust is this system, like is there an exact point where food in group 1 became part of group 2 ?

[@athleticclubeast8633]

Unfortunately food doesn't fit into neat categories, as you'll find if you ever ask some random people online whether tomatoes are a fruit or a vegetable. In Australia the dietary guidelines have the categories of fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy and grains; but legumes go in meat or vegetables, nuts can go in the meat category, and so on. Then in Japan they break it down into Green, Yellow, and Red - vege/fruit, starchy stuff like rice/bread/noodles, and protein like meat/fish/yoghurt; but they also put legumes in all three categories. But is yoghurt really the same thing as steak? Well, they don't say to eat the exact same thing every day, so if you put in a variety of protein sources.... etc. You'll never get a perfect neat system of categorisation of foods. But in general if 80% of your spending is at the butcher, fishmonger or greengrocer, with most of the rest at the dry goods store, then you're probably doing alright. Or put another way - you should be the one doing the processing (cutting, cooking, etc) rather than just whacking something in the microwave.

[@denisesousa5153]

Good!!

[@rosecolouredglasses]

Pasta is part of the group 1 minimally or unprocessed foods? I'm pretty sure pasta doesn't grow on trees.

[@tfgrrl2042]

I think the key word was minimally. Pasta is flour and water. Flour is just ground grain, so not much processing other than maybe enriched or bleached. I agree it seems like it'd fit better in group 2

[@rosecolouredglasses]

@@tfgrrl2042 I would put it in group 3 like cheese since pasta has undergone a "modest amount of processing" as the doctor says, and it's a "new food" ie definitely not wheat anymore.

[@tfgrrl2042]

@@rosecolouredglasses I suppose it depends on the flour? They have white sugar and oil in group 2 and those have undergone more processing than most flours. Flour is also an ingredient as opposed to something that can be eaten on its own like cheese.

[@tfgrrl2042]

Also were coffee beans in group 4?!

[@markleehasachiken3335]

@@tfgrrl2042 I think it was cerial

[@CommodoreBlubbers]

This guy said flavorsome

[@OGimouse1]

So, if you're making the Group 3 stuff with home versions, does that go into Group 2 or Group 3?

[@missmarymary6506]

Did you really ask such a question?? I feel sad for you

[@OGimouse1]

@@missmarymary6506 I think it's a valid question. If you're using all of the stuff from group 1 to make group 3 food at home, then is it group 2 or group 3? Especially when they're saying not all ready meals are group 3.

[@missmarymary6506]

@Sal Pep the point is that these are highly processed ready to eat foods with lots of chemicals and additives if you go and buy an organic chicken breast slice it and use your own fresh bread crumbs to bread it using a high quality olive oil to fry it in of course it's going to be healthier and better for you if you buy something that's been processed in a plant using scraps ground into a pink paste and then turned into shapes that's not the same thing it saddens me that people don't understand simple things like that but whatever

[@missmarymary6506]

@@OGimouse1 well they said that whole foods are best so if you're making something that could be processed but you're making with whole foods that would make it a whole food product right? It's the chemicals they're talking about so if you take chemicals out of the recipe and use only whole foods then they're two different products one is processed one is not use whole foods not chemicals I don't know what's so difficult to understand here

[@teresaamueller]

I think it’s a totally valid question. If you pick fruit (group 1), add sugar and pectin (group 2) and boil it you’d end up with a pretty standard jam that has been highly processed (cooked, fibre removed, sterilised jars etc). Would this then count as a ultra processed food? I think it would but the argument was that almost anything you make at home wouldn’t be ultra processed’

[@Milkman4279]

A wise man once told me to only eat food that spoils. Bread, fruits and veggies, eggs, etc. If it's something that doesn't expire for months or years later, dont eat it. I've also heard to not eat anything beige. Don't eat anything that comes in a box. Don't eat anything with more that 6 ingredients.

[@nomms]

Food preservation isn't inherently bad. I have a large garden, my canned jams, tomatoes, salsas, etc are not that processed. Nor are the dried tomatoes, fermented sauces, pickled peppers, etc isn't inherently bad. The type of processing is important.

[@cudgee7144]

You can add one more to your list. If it has an address or a post/zip code don't eat it.

[@dathyr1]

Yes I agree with others. It is up to each individual to eat the right foods and drinks for better health to live longer lives. If you see an ingredient on the particular food that you cant pronounce or it says unnatural flavors, then you should try to stay away from eating it or very little of it. Going around a grocery store there is about 85 to 90 percent of the food I classify as processed foods and sometimes I can eliminate whole isles of foods that really are not that healthy. So it is up to you. If you dont care, then continue eating the junk foods, going to fast food restaurants, etc.

[@tonys1636]

Make your own Pizza from scratch, bread flour (50/50 white/wholemeal), yeast, salt, olive/rapeseed (cold pressed, [virgin]) oil and water including blending the tomatoes, tinned OK, grating the cheese or Buffala mozzarella in pieces/slices. Homemade simple pasta, just semolina, salt, and water. That way no chemical nasties. Wean the kids off hot dogs and onto local butchers own sausages. Home made burgers made with butchers mince or home minced beef/pork/lamb/chicken. All can be frozen. The pasta dried in a very low oven, 50℃, or the sun if lucky.

[@VLKev]

The healthiest you can live is eating a lot of organic fruit, organic vegetables. And a lot of meat, venison, beef,chicken, salmon, tuna, eggs etc. Carbs like organic rice, oats that combined with exercise, strength training (calisthenics/weights), cardiovascular training (cardio) and stretching/yoga

[@ladymuck2]

Yeah tell the foodbanks

[@randomobserver8168]

As a moderate diabetic I'd really rather that carb content [combined sugar/starch] continue to be a primary consideration. It's taken decades to get to this level of personal and public understanding and frankly my concern with the degree of processing is intimately tied up with sugar and also salt content. Fat, less so, but still. If there were massively processed food pills that contained exactly balanced nutrients clearly listed on the label, well my palate and digestive tract would miss real food but I'd be happy that fat/sugar/salt were not problems and perfectly fine with the processing.

[@kinky_Z]

Just add salt to taste and you'll be fine - unless you have kidney disease.

[@madhumathijagadeesh2579]

In India, we never are familiar with frozen/ultra processed food. It's very rare people buy it. Every meal is freshly prepared.

[@marcusoshea6081]

No offense but I know a lot of Indian people and their favourite thing to do is to argue about which regional ultra processed snack mix is the best. Personally I like Punjabi mix.

[@Golfr2020]

And they actually cook their meals... unlike us lazy westerners who want nothing but convenience fed. I shook my head the other day when I saw some fat so called Mother in tights showing her ugly fat Ass ordering two subways. One was for her fat Son and the obviously for her. Cheese, fatty bacon e.t.c on it. No wonder they looked they way they did. Unfortunately, it is these sort of people that cost us tax payers to pay for their treatments later on. Not much difference between un healthy consumers, either it be your lungs smoking or eating. No difference. It kills or at the least ruins your health.

[@gerrardanderson6376]

Yeah cause you’re poor

[@loot6]

That's good but I think it will change as you develop. China used to be like that too but now there's so much ultra processed junk there.

[@hellouser5498]

You eat a lot of white rice and naan bread, both ultra processed junk

[@cassieoz1702]

Pasta does NOT belong in group 1

[@loot6]

True, I only just noticed that, definitely should be in group 2.

[@mikeg8276]

Great points were made! However, I would argue that the string cheese should be in the processed food group (and not ultra processed), and the pasta should but in the ultra processed group (not unprocessed). String cheese is often just novelty-packaged mozzarella or other cheese type, and pasta, even “whole grain,” is made from flour, which is as processed as a grain can get!

[@rogerstevenson8068]

The vegetable oil should be in group 4. All the vitamins and phytonutrients have been refined out of it.

[@1timbarrett]

Most milk can arguably be classed as ultra-processed, no?

[@LiViro1]

I think processed, but not ultra processed.

[@loot6]

Why? It doesn't contain anything unnatural.

[@nicolehoey1864]

Kirsty’s Hoey’s Hello the food by the door today I love the Arctic

[@matthewtyax1592]

Hello, how are you doing?? Hope you are fine and free from COVID?

[@DXmYb]

Don't tax anything

[@ChefArnab]

Waoooo… Brilliant 🙏🏻

[@jankanty7372]

I'd like to read official report, especially conflict of interest declaration.

[@cynthiaelesevandyke-melcho1864]

💕👍😊

[@jhil8530]

Wait is that the guy from operation ouch

[@easyrecipesanddeliciousfoo2954]

我好喜欢这个频道的节目哦💖🌷💖🌷💖🌷💖

[@ahsnizamani9592]

21 Century is the era of transformation

[@hmq9052]

I think you'll find 10,000 BC can trump any other era for transformation.

[@malthegruelund2096]

Ok but why change it

[@easyrecipesanddeliciousfoo2954]

😳😳😳😳😳

[@kinky_Z]

Cheap seed/vegetable oils (polyunsaturated), margarines, sugar and junk food are the worst. 2nd worst - starch carbs, grains, breads, pastas, rice, potatoes, etc. 3rd worst - alcoholic drinks, esp beer. Go heavy on meat, fish, eggs, cream, butter, saturated fats and olive oil, and leafy greens. Practice intermittent fasting.

[@rokosoldat9912]

Did this guy really put french fries under ultra-processed? And yogurt is there too while milk is under the first category? I beg you people, think about these facts for a couple of minutes. Not every bit of information you are served by a reputable news channel should be taken at face value. Especially not topics related to public health, which are often going to try to treat problems non-directly by targeting correlatated things en masse and really, really hope hard that was the causation. For example, those french fries are there in that category specifically because fast food joints will dip them into oil to fry them. Not because they are ultra-processed or unhealthy. You, at home, will make them using less of that oil, even maybe just in a microwave without any oil, and it will automatically won't be unhealthy in manner or way. It is just potato with salt. Same thing with yogurt. It is there because some manufacturers add a lot of extra sugar to it. Not everybody. And increasingly less and less. But their sledgehammer approach to personal eating habits just say yogurt - bad.

[@Littlejoys24]

This man just wrote a fantastic book on the subject - it clears all this up and is fantastic. Processing matters.

[@outwithrealitytoo]

Have you ever looked at the ingredients list of French fries or of oven-ready chips? They aren’t just chopped potatoes and sunflower oil. Chop a potato stick it in the microwave… then ask yourself “how the heck do they get French fries to cook like that?”

[@themodernshoe2466]

It's a 4 minute video. They aren't going to be able to say much on a specific food other than one or two lines. Now, they said "child's yogurt" and "frozen fries", not "all yogurt" and "all fries". To me, it's obvious what they're referring to there: a colorful shiny yogurt with every flavor under the sun and bag of frozen fries in the freezer isle. Whole potatoes and plain Greek yogurt don't apply.

[@hawks9142]

You can't make a good fry without frying. They're unprocessed sure, but healthy? they are not.

[@Prometheushighaf]

tacos for life

[@rajumack07]

Can we remove the nugget coating and only then the left out chicken piece would be classified in group 1? 🤔🤔

[@JoRiver11]

No because the chicken itself is processed (usually) and is chock full of preservatives and goodness knows what.

[@NickSBailey]

Seems very simplstic, not all processed foods are bad, not all raw ingredients are good, there's no mention of different properties or balance here.

[@keelieinwonderland]

Well said

[@JoRiver11]

Maybe because it's a four minute video?

[@Lumibear.]

I’m so early the anti BBC NPC’s aren’t here yet.

[@jasonuren3479]

Why? How is that helping?

[@Alskdoenfkemfnek]

A lot of comments from people who clearly didn’t pass year 10 science

[@kinky_Z]

It's amazing that a Professor of Public Health at Imperial College demonstrates that he has very little understanding of Biochemistry. Yiikes... then again I'm sure corporate school endowments are contingent on twisting the truth a tad.

[@JK_JK_JK_JK]

Next: A New Way of Transforming the BBC! 👍

[@gurugee2112]

If you can't pronounce it, don't eat it. Some foods have an ingredient list that read like a science project. And most have never been tested for safety.

[@sdandy22]

:D

[@FAHAD89444]

I am gonna call Gordon Ramsay.... Yes ....

[@nuggetnabber9033]

putting something like a cold pressed olive oil in the same category as hydrogenated, bleached, and deodorized seed oils is crazy

[@serzh8716]

Круто- cool 😎

[@victorzetterberg7386]

Wow I’m early

[@DifferentSaturner]

Visit again after weeks or months!

[@arranrobeson3205]

I can't believe they pay people to come up with this shit 😒

[@G4NoChallenge]

not rocket science!

[@georginaadams4826]

Not what the title leads you to think it's about....i got nothing from this video 👎

[@dannymcmenemy5151]

easy way of doing it would your great granny recognize it ?

[@TheWendable]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@loot6]

Not easy if your great granny is dead.

[@tullyfisher]

I think it's very "stubborn" to say milk is a "minimally processed food". - Think about the process BEFORE you get it from the cow. You artificially AND CONSTANTLY make cows pregnant and use the liquid, we call "milk", which is intended as for calf rearing... Think about the mental stress and the biochemical stress responses inside the cow...

[@cyrodilicbrandy]

Exactly. Carnist propaganda.

[@DXmYb]

Lazy parents can't look after their children's diet

[@v1991c]

so bad that they are showing milk as a healthy thing. It should be at least group 2....

[@hawks9142]

This doesn't rank them by health. It ranks them by the amount of processing.

[@voiceofpeace7658]

*I invite everyone for quran recitation thank you* 💔💔🌷🌹🙏🙏

[@adammcguk]

"Obviously we all eat foods like this..." Speak for yourself. Been whole foods plant based for some time and thriving. Just opt out.

[@kinky_Z]

I'm plant based too. The ruminant eats the plant and I eat the ruminant. It's a great system. It led to us evolving into humans over 250,000 yrs ago!

[@loot6]

@@kinky_Z True, ruminants are far better than other meats. Whatever junk they feed a chicken you end up eating too but a ruminant can process it all so you don't end up eating crap. Better fat ratios as well.

[@hopebgood]

I'm a blm gay transgender-friendly vegan with a fine bushy beard. What food should I eat for extra smugness?

[@SeanBotha]

transformative = political agenda

[@KJW648]

I would probably eat unprocessed food, if I was rich and both of us, was not working, bringing up children. So smug 🤮

[@robertk6785]

You don't have to be rich to eat more healthy food. There a lots of cheap foods that are healthy. Lentils, brown rice, beans, wholemeal bread, frozen veg, frozen berries. This is a common reason people say cause they are happy eating processed foods or dont know how or unwilling to try new foods. How you don't have time between 2 people?

[@KJW648]

@@robertk6785 You do .... Time and energy costs.

[@robertk6785]

​@@KJW648 Time Costs? Eating a Apple is not time consuming at all. adding some garden peas to a meal takes about 3mins in the microwave. If your heating up processed foods in the oven like chicken nuggets, pizzas or chips that would take like 30mins and a lot of energy cost. You could make healthy foods in that time may be a bit longer with the same energy cost. At the end of the day if you don't want to make the effort to try and be healthy for what ever reason. lack of knowledge or unwillingness to try new things then you only have yourself to blame for the out comes and effects of poor food choices. complaining about cost and time are not reason why some one does not do something its a common excuse

[@KJW648]

@@robertk6785 🤣 I eat healthy, have stomach problem and old. Health and religion nuts are the same, they love to lecturer everyone 🥱 🥱🥴😘🤣