A Walking Tour of Westeros with Steve Toussaint | Official Game of Thrones Podcast: Episode 2 (HBO)

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@Conorp77
@Conorp77 2 жыл бұрын
Corlys looks like a beast in this series. We usually only saw him book wise as a small council member, but in that shot of him charging into battle in the Steps tones, Steve is like a full head taller than the troops running alongside him. Pretty epic
@TheBioExplorer
@TheBioExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I hate that Steve Toussaint felt rejected and hated on by a segment of the fandom that just felt he won't fit. I predict that he will win most everyone over as Corlys though.
@being2real943
@being2real943 2 жыл бұрын
Cause he’s not an accurate depiction
@morganwu767
@morganwu767 2 жыл бұрын
@@being2real943 GRRM approves, but obviously that's not enough
@charlesspeaksthetruth4334
@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 2 жыл бұрын
@@being2real943 say's who?
@being2real943
@being2real943 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesspeaksthetruth4334 the source material or me which ever the fuck
@TheBioExplorer
@TheBioExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
@@being2real943It's a book... use your imagination! 1) Was his skin color... or any of the Velaryion branch's skin color ever mentioned in the books or was it assumed due to the silver hair & violet eyes? It may have been but I don't remember it. Guess what...there ARE dark skinned people with blue eyes. I teach genetics. Skin colorvis a polygenic trait which is why we have so man6 shades. Genetically it is possible for two dark skinned people to have very light skinned children as light skin is recessive to dark. We don't know everything about the old ones. 2) It's possible that the Velaryions of Driftmark were somewhat different after living for generations away from the freehold and nearer the equator. Even here IRL skin colors mutate. Once we ALL had dark skin. Light skin is actually a mutation that helped humans as they migrated North where there was less sunlight. Humans need sunlight so our skin can manufacture vitamin D as it does not naturally occur in food. Near the equator that's not a problem... too much sun which can cause skin cancer is the issue... SO we had darker pigmentation. But northward the sun is at an angle and less intense. Lighter skin lets more sun reach the cells that make vitamin D which we need to build bone. In our modern times we add artificial Vitamin D to some food/drink... such as milk to prevent people from being low in vitamin D and having soft bones leading to Ricketts. So being nearer the equator perhaps the Velaryion branch developed darker skin over generations. 3) It freaking DOES NOT MATTER to the integrity of the story line - What matters IS having a great actor to bring Corlys to life. Steve IS Corlys ... and if something as inconsequential as skin color knocks your head out of the story... then maybe it's something already in YOUR head that is the issue.
@myamdane6895
@myamdane6895 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man it's gonna be crazy to be in Westeros again
@SerHuntsReviews
@SerHuntsReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Dragon Knight TEASER! House Of The Dragon (PROMO) kzbin.info/www/bejne/g52li6mufqysack
@poub06
@poub06 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see Steve as Corlys. Corlys looks absolutely fantastic and Steve looks like an amazing human being. Haters gonna hate, but let them cry alone in their mother's basement, the creator of the lore approved it. Steve will be fantastic, I have no doubt.
@berserk9085
@berserk9085 2 жыл бұрын
@@NocturneJester Ähm. Because Valyrians have pale Skin and Silver to Gold Hair. Does he with his Black Skin look like an Valyrian to you?
@berserk9085
@berserk9085 2 жыл бұрын
Only a Fake Fan can say that. And Geroge likes Money more than Consistency in his Fantasy World.
@yusufbey1587
@yusufbey1587 2 жыл бұрын
Facts!!!!
@yusufbey1587
@yusufbey1587 2 жыл бұрын
@@berserk9085 you know better than George huh? You ppl are beyond pathetic it’s laughable 😂😂😂😂
@poub06
@poub06 2 жыл бұрын
@@berserk9085 A "Fake Fan" loll. You can drop that superiority complex buddy, if Georges says okay, then it's okay. No matter what you think his reasons are, he created the Velaryon, so if he says it's okay, it's okay and you can't say otherwise. That's fact.
@Amie.K_2024
@Amie.K_2024 2 жыл бұрын
Steve Toussaint has made me more excited for this premier then I already was… great episode 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
"What is this brief mortal life, if not the pursuit of legacy" ~ Corlys "The Sea Snake" Velaryon. 🔥🔥🔥
@liiliies_
@liiliies_ 2 жыл бұрын
19:30 Steve Toussaint joins the chat!
@whitebeard8265
@whitebeard8265 2 жыл бұрын
Fuckin Thanks bro!!
@undertakenheart
@undertakenheart 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited for their relationship, I just know it's going to be super sweet.
@irene_2_r
@irene_2_r 2 жыл бұрын
We love you Steve!! So excited to see Corlys! ❤
@missautumn764
@missautumn764 2 жыл бұрын
I personally find him very compelling as Corlys! A commanding presence, strong character. Probably the most masculine under the male characters. Really enjoying his portrayal!
@MrBrooks444
@MrBrooks444 2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this show since it was first announced. Can't wait. I'm especially looking forward to seeing Corlys and the Velaryons.
@ravenclaw3273
@ravenclaw3273 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited for this series to drop!
@RasoolThrones
@RasoolThrones 2 жыл бұрын
Can't Wait 😥🔥🔥
@Deking24
@Deking24 2 жыл бұрын
Saw episode one and he is funtastic .
@RedSonya4
@RedSonya4 2 жыл бұрын
So excited to see Corlys in action, but the podcast hosts rendered this video unwatchable. There are so many better informed KZbinrs out there, without Jason’s grating voice.
@gamintrucker1016
@gamintrucker1016 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the premiere! I read the book. I heard we get to see nine dragons in the first season.
@pjaw8226
@pjaw8226 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to this. So long as the series isn't tarnished to hell like GoT was then brilliant...
@elayda93
@elayda93 2 жыл бұрын
Not actually hyped at this at all. What's the fucking sense of this if Daenerys will just die in the end? Targaryens will just be extinct so what's the importance of this show? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
@pjaw8226
@pjaw8226 2 жыл бұрын
@@elayda93 Prequels are interesting if you're a fan of a series because you see the inner workings of different rulers/factions, the history behind GoT and the times, plus events which shaped their world well before GoT was established and came to pass. That's the whole point of prequels, and I like many others enjoy watching that sort of thing too 🤯
@secretTarg
@secretTarg 2 жыл бұрын
@@elayda93 Targaryens are not extinct - Jon's a Targaryen.
@ArgentiumTea
@ArgentiumTea 2 жыл бұрын
@@elayda93 I guess you don't like history because it all leads to this world.
@pjaw8226
@pjaw8226 2 жыл бұрын
@@ArgentiumTea what's the point having a son or daughter if in the end all they do is DIE?! NO POINT AT ALL!!! That's why I'm NOT looking forward to having them!!
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be on HBO in extras after the episode anyway?
@marizavogtli6443
@marizavogtli6443 2 жыл бұрын
COOOOOOOL LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE 👏👏👏👏🙆‍♀️🙆‍♀️🤴🤴🤴😎🇨🇭❤
@thomasadjado4163
@thomasadjado4163 2 жыл бұрын
there is one thing i don't understand. if in the series the Velaryon are black it means that the Targaryens and in particular King Jaeherys is too. His mother is Alyssa Velaryon. it means that Jaeherys and his sister-wife Alyssane are mixed race. Except that we can clearly see that in the series, that Jaeherys is not half-breed. Wokism makes things inconsistent
@derpphil5400
@derpphil5400 2 жыл бұрын
Half-breed is a strange word to use for someone who's "mixed" but I'll leave it at that. The thing is we have no idea how much of the ridiculously extended Velaryon family (GRRM creates a new random one of some obscure lineage every book) is dark-skinned. This could easily have very little affect on the appearance of the Targaryens of history. Also in the real world people often look very white anyway when they have only a 25% or 30% black admixture. Essentially this "wokism" is a none issue, there's no need to even look that deep into family tree and make those extrapolations.
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
His grandma or mother (who weren’t mentioned at all in the books) is where he gets summer islander ancestry from.
@thomasadjado4163
@thomasadjado4163 2 жыл бұрын
@@dreamfyres So it's confirmed that House Velaryon is originally from the Summer Islands? Georges Martin confirmed it?
@thomasadjado4163
@thomasadjado4163 2 жыл бұрын
@@derpphil5400 excuse me for My english i’m not english. I used Google Traduction
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasadjado4163 they weren’t originally descended from them, they are half Valyrian (white hair) and half summer islander (dark skin). One of the velaryons (probably corlys’s grandfather) married a summer islander. It’s the only explanation for this. The showrunners said there is an explanation in the show.
@rahulsaroy7424
@rahulsaroy7424 2 жыл бұрын
I miss game over thrones 😇❤️
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
*Game of Thrones
@pacehill63
@pacehill63 2 жыл бұрын
Viserys is Jaeherys grandson not nephew.
@navrotron22
@navrotron22 2 жыл бұрын
the thing about this show is that it already has a beginning middle and end written by george. we know what happens to all these characters already so they cant really fuck it up unless they go out of their way to
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe working off a cocktail napkin of an outline for the ending to a story like ASOIAF is a lot more difficult than you think, buddy....Plus, the ending to GOT was good.
@swapnilkanse4536
@swapnilkanse4536 2 жыл бұрын
Greta, for the love of God, stop fake laughing at every comment Jason makes!!! Respectfully no offense
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
GoT is coming back
@SHARKVADERS
@SHARKVADERS 2 жыл бұрын
GOT!!!!!
@bridge4
@bridge4 2 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear, shark!
@replaycrew5024
@replaycrew5024 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait
@Gametime41300
@Gametime41300 2 жыл бұрын
So get the medics ready cuz the night I see this brotha run into battle with a mace is the day I fall out. His son in tut fought with a war hammer
@sabrinavolpi02
@sabrinavolpi02 2 жыл бұрын
Please make the dracArys app available in every country... I'm in Italy and I can't download it. It's annoying...
@rsync9490
@rsync9490 2 жыл бұрын
Master of whisperers for? A warden/lord paramount? a bannerman lord?
@ayiza8511
@ayiza8511 2 жыл бұрын
The Riverlands is first, and what? tats what you remember? what about Storms end, Riverrun, Casterly Rock, the whole of the Crownlands, and Dorne? the tower of joy? the Reach? high garden? perhaps Essos, Bravos, norvos, Volantis, Myr, Lys,
@SerHuntsReviews
@SerHuntsReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these uploads yall. My podcast also covers this series and goes SUPER in-depth if anyone is interested!! 🙏🏽🗣🔥👨🏽‍💻
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
Lord Hunts!! 😤🔥🔥🔥
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 2 жыл бұрын
Well the idea some Valeryens married into the seafaring and some pirating south island peoples IE DARKER SKINNED makes sense and gave Targaryens from Dragonstone and surrounding Valeryens houses on near islands a maritime power. I just thought more Valeryens had dragons than just the Targaryens being from the books more than Targaryens followed the targaryen woman's prophecy to moved to Dragonstone away from the DOOM. The Valeryen genes still were strong enough to give silver hair is fantasy logical being IRL in my family out of 5 kids one of us got the DARK skin of our dad and rest of us freckles lighter skin hair from our maternal side. I'll watch after S1E4 once Rhynearys actress is the older one, Matt Smith trying to sex that 12-13yo is ick yukky
@LSK1
@LSK1 2 жыл бұрын
Great 👍🏻
@iliketodream7
@iliketodream7 5 ай бұрын
Skip to 8:59
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
Lord Corlys Velyaron The Sea Snake
@maskassmario321
@maskassmario321 2 жыл бұрын
what a voice
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
It's really annoying when they say they are imagined in a high fantasy context like this. It's not that we care that there are black characters or actors, it's that they changed him from white to black
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
A character like Catwoman has been portrayed as an African-American and as a white person multiple times and it wasn't a problem sooo...why is there a problem with a more diverse cast for this show?
@sanderhoefsloot6852
@sanderhoefsloot6852 2 жыл бұрын
The skincolour of the velaryons is never me tioned in any book, only the eyes and hair...
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
@@sanderhoefsloot6852 If almost all or all Valyrians are white we can assume he is in book as well
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 Because Black Catwoman doesn’t have to be explained like it does in this
@maxten
@maxten 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 The world of asoiaf is extremely race(blood) based. They identify Starks with dark hair with dark eyes, lannisters with blonde hair and green eyes, Tullys with redheads(auburn) hair and blue eyes. Especially Baratheons with the dominant gene of having thick dark hair over most of their descent, which is how Ned found out about Cersei's kids out of wedlock. George RR Martin is very specific about Certain houses and their looks. Also the regions of the world. Dorne with their olive skinned original Nymerians.
@FatalistBY
@FatalistBY 2 жыл бұрын
Yo, we wuz Targarienz and sheeeit. 😊
@ThomasShelby6213
@ThomasShelby6213 2 жыл бұрын
Ayo das rite muhfugga
@Kunumbah1
@Kunumbah1 2 жыл бұрын
Velaryons
@discobroccoli198
@discobroccoli198 2 жыл бұрын
Another racist weirdo, what a surprise
@yusufbey1587
@yusufbey1587 2 жыл бұрын
L
@brabea23
@brabea23 2 жыл бұрын
Yo Yo Yo I wanna to be black.
@666j1
@666j1 2 жыл бұрын
We Wuz Dragons n shiet
@BarisTitanX
@BarisTitanX 2 жыл бұрын
Uhm, we haven't even seen ep 1?
@mayaamis
@mayaamis 2 жыл бұрын
those dark skinned actors with cheap looking platinum blonde wigs. you really did them dirty and made them look like fools. you need to finds them better wigs that suit their appearance more cuz this was comical. their hair doesn't need to be platinum blond if you already cast dark skinned actors!
@Ashley_e
@Ashley_e 2 жыл бұрын
Why cant u just add video? Skype or whatever like other KZbin pods
@lonelyone
@lonelyone 2 жыл бұрын
Could not possibly care less about this show. Seems it's finally time to unsubscribe from new videos.
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
You’ve been subscribed to this channel since 2019? It’s been 3 years since GoT ended and you’re only just unsubscribing
@DR.DisInfect
@DR.DisInfect 2 жыл бұрын
Love train wrecks you got to watch
@MoggerNChief
@MoggerNChief 2 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo game o thrones n sheit mane
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
I have the map blanket
@dbnathan5
@dbnathan5 2 жыл бұрын
434 likes 305 dislikes as of right now
@MrBrooks444
@MrBrooks444 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the incel brigade is out in force
@dbnathan5
@dbnathan5 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBrooks444 Yeah you're right. Those purple haired freaks need to go.
@poub06
@poub06 2 жыл бұрын
The "I'm not racist but.." people are here.
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
The go woke go broke incel army is loose… again!
@dbnathan5
@dbnathan5 2 жыл бұрын
@@poub06 Yeah gotta keep the Biden voters away.
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
His grandson
@theboringlecture9731
@theboringlecture9731 2 жыл бұрын
where is the Fucking Trailer too Much Waiting...😞😞😞😞
@annaguedez4771
@annaguedez4771 2 жыл бұрын
There's like seven trailers.
@wilmar12341
@wilmar12341 2 жыл бұрын
There are already trailers and TV spots.
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
It came out like 3 weeks ago
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
If living under a rock was a person
@solankijay
@solankijay 2 жыл бұрын
#hotd
@elvisvan
@elvisvan Жыл бұрын
_ICT🏙12AM Jun 11th 2023_
@Earendil760
@Earendil760 2 жыл бұрын
Another race swaped character, hooray !!!
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
Foh stupid racist 😒
@lordofmadness5346
@lordofmadness5346 2 жыл бұрын
So?
@Jasmine_U_B
@Jasmine_U_B 2 жыл бұрын
Why does it matter when George ok’ed it? It’s HIS story, not yours
@ThomasShelby6213
@ThomasShelby6213 2 жыл бұрын
Now that Chadwick is dead we should have Ryan Gosling be black panther
@Earendil760
@Earendil760 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jasmine_U_B First of all George doesn't give a shit when it comes to the tv shows, he has his OWN story and canon within his books, he just wants those extra dollars
@banzaibadger
@banzaibadger 2 жыл бұрын
#GetWokeGoBroke
@stannisbaratheon6725
@stannisbaratheon6725 2 жыл бұрын
The funniest part is this phrase makes no sense, all top franchises that went woke definitely have not gone broke.
@yusufbey1587
@yusufbey1587 2 жыл бұрын
Cope
@cajuntexas9777
@cajuntexas9777 2 жыл бұрын
People who truly like the ASOIAF would not approve him as Corlys, more like Summer Islander
@lordofmadness5346
@lordofmadness5346 2 жыл бұрын
Yet GRRM the author approved the casting. His world, his choice. Deal with it.
@maxten
@maxten 2 жыл бұрын
@@lordofmadness5346 I'll watch it but it'll be a little difficult to immerse myself in when lord Corlys looks an aged summer islander. Oh man if they had put those different shade of purple eyes, as valyrians do, it would help so much.
@Oximb
@Oximb 2 жыл бұрын
@@lordofmadness5346 That's HBO world, Martin has no creative control on the show. And do you think he would said "He is white in my books", people like you would jump on his throat...
@lordofmadness5346
@lordofmadness5346 2 жыл бұрын
@@Oximb he is literally the co-creator of the show and an executive producer on it. Deal with it xD
@Oximb
@Oximb 2 жыл бұрын
@@lordofmadness5346 Ashaya: So could you elaborate a little bit on how much creative control you feel like you have on these new endeavors, these new projects, like House of the Dragon, versus before? Do you feel like your role has changed at all? George: Yeah. I don’t have any creative control, as you say. That is the hardest thing to get in Hollywood. No matter what the project is, whether it’s a feature or a film. It’s given out very infrequently. JK Rowling had a certain amount of creative control on Harry Potter, cause every studio in Hollywood wanted Harry Potter and they were all queuing up and she demanded script approval and other things… Ashaya: But you don’t demand script approval. George: Hollywood will give you money a lot easier than they’ll give you creative control, you can go to negotiations and say yes, I will thank you for paying me 8 million dollars, but I would like creative control as well. And they will say, how about 10 million? Haha. They would rather give millions of dollars than any creative control.
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
We know it's not chicken, but we pretend it is
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
Probably most of it is people wanting book accuracy rather than flat out racism
@brabea23
@brabea23 2 жыл бұрын
thats a lie
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 2 жыл бұрын
@@brabea23 What is a lie?
@DR.DisInfect
@DR.DisInfect 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing better then racism
@ianvera4299
@ianvera4299 2 жыл бұрын
Yet its racism regardless
@mrsentencename7334
@mrsentencename7334 2 жыл бұрын
Oarrrrrrrrr
@nikdik154
@nikdik154 2 жыл бұрын
Keep racists and bigots out of my show.
@ThomasShelby6213
@ThomasShelby6213 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Get a new showrunner since he's blatantly anti white
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasShelby6213 Nope, GRRM agreed to the casting of Steve Toussaint. In any case, there's no reason whatsoever to get mad at the idea of the people from Valyria being played by a more diverse cast.
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
@@NocturneJester Yeah, if a character's skin tone does not matter then the right-wing reactionaries should stop whining about a Black actor playing a Valyrian.
@berserk9085
@berserk9085 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 Because Gerorge loves Money and he dont want get accused of Racism. And Valyrians are Pale skinned and have Silver tho Golden Hair. So Steve is clearly the wrong Actor for the Role. That is just Reality. Deal with it and understand the Fans.
@666j1
@666j1 2 жыл бұрын
agreed. stop the anti white and everything white must be replaced racists out of my show
@elayda93
@elayda93 2 жыл бұрын
I still can't forgive you guys for Season 8. Criminal.
@TheReDeeMeR1988
@TheReDeeMeR1988 2 жыл бұрын
What does that have to do with House of the Dragon?
@nikdik154
@nikdik154 2 жыл бұрын
That has nothing to with House of the Dragon.
@Kyle-qd2sy
@Kyle-qd2sy 2 жыл бұрын
The guys that were responsible for botching GoT are not involved in this at all. Don’t hate on these showrunners for something they had nothing to do with
@elayda93
@elayda93 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheReDeeMeR1988 Well we all know Daenerys will die so what's the fucking sense of all of this?
@elayda93
@elayda93 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikdik154 Never read anything about this and not actually hyped. Maybe I'll watch this after a complete season or so. Killing Daenerys and making her mad was stupid by Benioff and Weiss.
@ousmanjallow7866
@ousmanjallow7866 2 жыл бұрын
W
@programmingeverything
@programmingeverything 2 жыл бұрын
this is so cringe! sire, have you no shame?
@lordofmadness5346
@lordofmadness5346 2 жыл бұрын
Lol what?
@erikapple8955
@erikapple8955 2 жыл бұрын
Woke show is floundering. Whoops
@krollic
@krollic 2 жыл бұрын
why does he sound so ridiculous
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
No he don't, but you do
@krollic
@krollic 2 жыл бұрын
@@Divine_Chareka english
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
@@krollic foh 🙄
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
Stupid racist 🙄
@dreamfyres
@dreamfyres 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t listen then
@axe_to_fall165
@axe_to_fall165 2 жыл бұрын
Ahahahahahahaha people of color ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@nikdik154
@nikdik154 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, racist. Go cry about it.
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
So? He's a great actor.
@discobroccoli198
@discobroccoli198 2 жыл бұрын
Racist troll
@666j1
@666j1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 So? How dare you notice the thing we do on purpose to make a statement? Are you a bigot?
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
@@666j1 no because including everyone in terms of working on this show is not the same as excluding a particular group of people. Good day.
@krackshot322
@krackshot322 2 жыл бұрын
Mop head!!
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
I think Corlys Velaryon looks phenomenal in this show. I'm glad they picked Steve for this role.
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