A Way To Save RC Car Racing? Part 3/3

[@markbradbury7959]

I use to race more than 30 years ago. It's sad that it has never regained it's popularity which it had then. You all need to work together to make this happen, there is no limit to race format's. Rc car racing... Started at age 12 am still hooked at 47. Don't let this die!

[@fencer39]

Agreed ....Im 52 and its almost dead In the SW, Uk.......we used to have a regional series with clubs from Hayle to Bournmouth about 1o clubs in all. Now it down to 2 or 3. ! Its a shame

[@joshwelbaum]

Just got my THE car BE today. Chose it because of your vision and my desire to be apart of it. Thank you for your time and voice.

[@daBONDi]

Let JQ run EFRA with a 40% Vote Value and we will see change! Maybe we should make a new EFRA and let the old one die. Awesome content, thx JQ for the work and the book. I know man ppl will not like him, but he will move it forward, and has trackrecord on doing what he sayes.

[@malsmith2012]

Agree totally! Committee management is proven to achieve little but doesn't hurt feelings.. Successful businesses tend to have a great leader with strong opinions and visions which can bring people with him to achieve his vision , almost like a dictatorship per se.. JQ could easily be that man and you know he'd listen to people and should a good idea be brought forward he'll be man enough to implement it, make a decision and get on with it.. So much time is wasted with meetings wasting time to make the most mundane of decisions.. My dad always says, losers have meetings winner's have parties! One thing is for sure, with JQ at the helm it'll become apparent very quickly if his ways and management are helping so in my opinion RC has not much to lose but a lot to gain.. Vote 1 JQ!

[@jmbrctainment]

In my POV, it's mainly all about the location of the race. In my last YT video back in 2010, the race was held in the city center (lake in front, Castle ..), well plenty of spectators and potential new passionate racer. Back in the days in early stage of RC car racing, the races were held in the cities on non-permanent track. Look at the WC in Geneva in 70s. They were not held in the middle of nowhere. In my hometown back in the 80s, there was a race each year in the school playground in the city center. That is where i saw with my own eyes a rc race an maybe that is what ignite my passion abot rc. Late 90s and early 2000s, i used to race very actively. The best races were in the non-permanent track where it attract the most spectators and potential new racer. It's all about the balance: Do we do a race for the racer on the best rc-track ? or do we want to do a race to promote the hobbies ? Very hard to do booth. Maybe some can do and it is great. I'm actively organising races with my club and no matter the in depth-regulation, neither the race format (we tried few), the most to maximise the new racer attending was location. And this is not to speak about the race atmosphere. Most racers should leave the race with a story to tell, a good souvenir and happiness (although drama and frustration happen most of the time). Well my 2 cents...

[@FoundryRC]

hey, I have been enjoying this series and I agree with it. I'm a part of the 1/5 scale Side of the hobby and we face many of the same problems In both the drag racing and track scene. something needs to change so we can keep growing the hobby... I just got my Copy of invisible speed on Friday. I'm looking forward to seeing how much Of the book is relevant to 1/5 scale... keep doing what you do.

[@NoTekRc]

Watched the whole thing...never heard of efra before this video and it seems like i probably won't hear of them in the future either. Great information JQ.

[@mibb748]

My right ear finally feels included in this 3 part series and says thank you JQ!

[@kevinwelker5755]

I've enjoyed these 3 videos JQ. I watch pretty much all the content you and Keenan provide. I have a passion for this hobby as well. Although my boy and I are just hobby racers, we get involved with talking with the pros, helping out our lhs. Im a carpenter. Ive agreed to build a new driver stand and rd booth at our local track. We only have one way traffic on our stand. So drivers go back to the pits and screw around between rounds instead of getting back out and marshaling right away. Ill be building an off ramp with a convenient shelf to put your buggy on. Its as simple as turning off your gear and finding a corner. It will greatly improve the programs run time. Im doing all this for cost of materials.. Im not giving myself a pat on the back rather its an example of someone's passion for the rc racing community and what just one person can contribute.

[@bryceholmlund8198]

I love the content JQ. Wish we had someone similar to you in the states, to brake down ROAR and IFMAR the way you just did. Keep it up brother!!

[@ABike_Pilot]

Transparency is what we all want. Example SR "Buy the latest up travel limiters for Your B74.2 here, I Run These Ones.." How about the Full Truth to why you run them? Which is, with low or soft suspension the out shafts chew up & damage the diff out drivves. That would of been Far More Relevant info than what you run without even a whisper of the problem.. This is why JQ is & always will be one of the best voices in RC

[@bakedchefsweden]

Respect brother. Really enjoyed the 3 episodes. I learned so much, thanks.

[@JeffEmbracedDC]

Okay, I'm going to go really in-depth about EFRA and similar organizations: JQ has really hit the nail on the head regarding EFRA. This is why I've left so many volunteer-run organizations in RC (and otherwise). Highly social people who generally have good intentions and some free time pile together and create a bureaucratic system with no hierarchy, separation of concerns, or top-down leadership. It's impossible to execute complex or even basic strategies - even if they started with a solid vision, which is unlikely, to begin with. The personalities that gravitate towards volunteering, in general, are highly social, agreeable, and compassionate people. They enjoy meetings because they experience them as social events. These types at 18:16 are willing to bring up big ideas and acknowledge potential problems the organization should address - because it shows to the group they're a smart, valuable asset. However, their agreeableness and conflict avoidance make them incapable or unwilling to effectively navigate the necessary social conflict it takes to work out and solve difficult problems. Debating, asserting opinions, and finalizing decisions are forms of conflict as the individuals' ideas literally conflict with each other. Conflict alienates the people who disagree - and that's painful for social, agreeable people - and I mean that in a biological sense. It's real pain. The same problem affects accountability. As the structure enforces, they have no accountability except to others in the room; but they tend to avoid holding others in the room accountable as it requires conflict and alienation. Ultimately, all of these problems boil down to biological pain/reward and incentive. Solutions and accountability require conflict. Conflict is painful, volunteer types are particularly sensitive to this, and they aren't rewarded in any meaningful way for going through it, so they don't. These phenomena make them acutely aware of what needs solving (see 30:50, minutes from 2004 meeting) but incapable of executing solutions. Hence focusing on solutions that everyone in the room can agree on like stickers, logos, and Instagram, and scheduling more meetings. Because they're volunteers who aren't getting paid, they're allowed to behave as if meetings are an entertaining leisure activity rather than a genuine responsibility to do the difficult work of creating solutions to serious problems. This creates results that are slow, self-serving, and generally useless to the people who they claim to serve and have so much compassion for. Specifically, look at 18:53 where he mentions "two completely different directions", referring to conflicting ideas about the logo, then goes into detail about the amazing solution they created to find the perfect logo. The problem is that the whole time they worked on the logo they weren't actually working on the logo - they were working on managing their own social conflict. They were working on solving their own problem - not the problems of anyone else's in the RC industry. This type of collective behavior is inherent in the organization's structure. In R/C we can't assume these organizations can be effective at executing solutions. If you do the research, this is the case with organizations like these across all industries and all countries. We can't assume they're doing their jobs. We also can't really expect them to - because they're not jobs. They're literally don't get rewarded for their work, as JQ pointed out at 1:00:46. It's not the fault of any one person or individual - it's a fault in the structure of the organization. The structure doesn't prioritize or encourage taking on responsibility, or even leveraging peoples skills where they fit best. Ultimately, they act as social clubs more than solution-creating organizations. You can even see that in comments at 34:28. Organizations suffering from this need leadership and capital - but before that, they need restructuring to create tangible (financial) motivation and accountability for the individuals to act in a way that serves stakeholders (clubs, hobby shops, manufacturers, and racers). This is where RCGP has it right. If only JQ wasn't such a narcissist :D he could keep his mouth shut and make slow, steady progress. But no, JQ demands revolution! Lastly, two more points about volunteers and volunteer-run organizations: 1. The compassion these personality types have inclines them to make decisions to accommodate what's best for the lowest common denominator at the detriment, and even punishment of the average, or high-performing group member. This has all sorts of negative implications for the people they claim to serve. 2. On average, they don't tend to be highly industrious or conscientious people - because industrious, conscientious people are usually busy getting paid at other organizations and volunteer-run organizations tend to attract people who have notable free time. Social pressure is the only way to influence these organizations to change - because social pressure is the fundamental force that these types of organizations operate on. A strong, collective voice is highly influential to agreeable, social people - because they're willing to do almost anything to avoid social conflict. Typically, "voting with your dollar" would help influence an organization's decisions but in the case of volunteer-run organizations, the individuals don't have accountability or even a vested interest in even keeping the organization alive beyond just keep the social aspect and image of productivity alive. Pokes at JQ aside, obviously, he's an incredibly generous, caring guy. I don't mean to sully his disagreeable image - but he's genuinely passionate about improving the RC world, is willing to take on responsibility, understands the importance of a productive conflict, and isn't afraid of stepping on a toe or two while being cooperative at the same time. We need more disagreeable people like JQ in the industry creating solutions at clubs, races, meetings, shops, on social media, etc.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Best comment ever, except for the narcissist bit.

[@JeffEmbracedDC]

@@invisiblespeedrc Game recognizes game. Who, other than a narcissist, would write a KZbin comment as long as I did? Just joshing with ya. You've got great stuff. Been watching all your stuff lately. Planning to get back into RC after many years. Currently fleshing out some hardware/software ideas to aid in setup analysis and testing. Basically, what's in your book - but an interactive software version that tracks setup changes and enforces proper testing. Vaguely interested in starting a company about it in ~1 year. I'll hit you up if my tinkering goes anywhere. Could use a setup expert involved. Looking forward to following the progress of your channel.

[@JeffEmbracedDC]

@@invisiblespeedrc Also, I'd really like to see your channel broken up into playlists. Playlists for setup tips and "A Way To Save RC Car Racing" series particularly, plus whatever other categories you think make sense. Especially considering YT is your main channel now and you have a ton of great content, including your FB live archives.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@JeffEmbracedDC It already is

[@JeffEmbracedDC]

@@invisiblespeedrc Right, my bad - I meant as "featured sections" on the home page of the channel. It's under the channel layout options.

[@ZingZingNZ]

I just started and I love it! Armma is trying to get bashers into racing. And it worked for me. I bought mine of a JQ supplier who is running one of those new makyo chassis

[@zvijer2960]

There is an emense lack of bringing clubs onto the same page. I think the manufacturers need to come together and set up an organization for clubs to join. The idea would be to build more of a network of clubs/tracks. Then club tracks could be designed alike and approved by the organization. Then every so often the local clubs can run an official qualifying race of which those results can be used for bigger races. This can reduce practice and qualify time on race days. Most lap counters can access the internet, as well as a video recording for integrity issues.

[@tomsherrillts]

GREAT series JQ. New to your channel and I'm gonna stay awhile. I appreciate the guitars, I'm a drummer and also a rc enthusiast. Looking forward to learning as much as I can from you and others on the various media outlets. Good job man, thanks for the hard work. The end product is great, and you crack me up dude. Be well!

[@JRich808]

If the current federation sucks Lets start a new one. Im new in rc racing and i have to say getting started has been a challenge at best. I think you mark santmaria and a few other youtubers could help us get a federation going i dont know just my 2 cents i use to be be very active in the AMA

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Just no.

[@JRich808]

@@invisiblespeedrc that's interesting, your a member of a federation that is not doing anything to improve it's sport, if they are unwilling or unable to change what other options do you see. From what I saw looks like it's not going to change anytime soon.

[@DClavalois]

My good friend and I got back into the RC racing 4 years ago by a 2wd buggy spec class at local track. Now I run 2wd mod and 4wd Mod buggies, add to that my son starting his first season in 2wd spec buggy, BTW he is a gaming kid. Now he cant wait the run the the buggy at the track. We need youth to know about this hobby\sport, one of the best ways is a spec class that does not break the bank$$$. Worked for my friend and I, now my son is joining in. Entry class for RC racing and prompt the crap out of it if you want to stay alive.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Federations need to do this. They are too content just patting each other on the back and pretending like they matter

[@hootiemike3091]

I bet something similar to the X-Games but for RC with different bashing events mixed in with racing would be pretty damn awesome. Get ESPN on board and you could get some big sponsors for sure. X-Games literally already laid down the format just convert it to RC and sell the idea to the sponsors. Also probably wouldn't hurt to get Sal Masekela as an announcer to just saying.

[@extec101]

that is how paintball got big in the 90s when tv sent from games and it got wide spread that paintball existed. nowdays its hidden in some groups on facebook where only ones involved with it finds the group. so RC racing need to be more publicly promoted with parking lott racing and trying to get the basher and home in the yard drivers out to the tracks.

[@paulskipp5760]

There’s a pretty clear way to do this, in the US at least. There needs to be a broadcasted championship series for points. In my opinion R/C racing will never take off without a series of races with the same drivers in a regular schedule. Having these random “national championship” or “national events” isn’t doing publicity any good. Get the same cars and drivers in front of the masses and in regular competition with each other. Get teams to actually work like teams in nascar or F1. It will gain popularity.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Exactly, support and build up RCGP!

[@Applinglingling]

I’m honestly so surprised there’s no Rc channel’s on twitch, workshop hours would go great on stream as well as races and heavy bashing.

[@TheNoNameRCPodcast]

Lefty For President !! Great Video Beeker!

[@TpPartsRcXtreme]

I watced the whole series, and ofc the last one, most intresting, well said and i shared it ofc! Keep it up JQ

[@magnusbiderheim9199]

Well spoken! The only way to get a change is to bring the truth out. And I watched all three videos :)

[@basilnortje6554]

You sir I have nothing but respect

[@melmarks3854]

Good Information dude! Keep up the EXCELLENT work.

[@federicopralong9350]

I watched it all !! Good thought and reflexions.🙍

[@jasonjanda9288]

Like I said before JQ, great stuff, I’m getting a Black edition soon! I have learned a lot from your videos. Thanks!

[@bakedchefsweden]

Why is there no price money in the sport?

[@extec101]

this is one of the problems with EFRA that they are like a mafia only efra can set the rules and say what to do and dont and then get angry when someone ells starts a new racing series and other rules and efra kant be a part of that and see that as a threat against them. efra and their dinosaur rules dont follow modern trends and how people whant to race in 2022, rc racing needs to be shown in public with more "parking lot" racing and shopping mall racing as well as track/club racing in a easy and fun way that dont take the whole weekend. also more of the big company need to be out on sight at the race selling parts and informing people that is interested in starting with rc cars about it just like the old days seen in films of rc racing in the 90s, not just the high end race cars but cheaper cars for club racing that new to the hobby can afford and start out with.

[@phantomx.t.v6610]

This hobby will never die there’s to meany people that love it including myself just like jq there will always be someone there to keep it alive my only opinion is people need to drop there prices on products because there’s people that would love to race and enjoy the hobby intel they see some of the prices of these vehicles that are just gonna be discontinued in couple years

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Im sure people loved slot car racing also

[@phantomx.t.v6610]

@@invisiblespeedrc you’re right never thought about that I’m about to buy me THE CAR BLACK EDITION I love the look just plz don’t discontinue it 🤣 it’s a master peace

[@LawrenceTimme]

The numbers of times they say lack of budget when the problem is efficiency. I bet you could give efra €1 billion and they would still be making a logo 😂😂😂😂

[@melancholymartialarts7095]

Hey JQ, I noticed you had a Ultimate Racing engine in your tuning video. What do you think about those engines? I'm about to pull the trigger on an M5S

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Its the same as OS type R

[@michaelchristensen6884]

Seems like everything that EFRA dragged their feet on, other people started and did what they refused to do and have made the hobby better and EFRA sees them as the competition instead of working with them. EFRA are the ones who failed by not working with other people, so those people sought out people who would work with them and by doing so have suceeded where EFRA was afraid to try. They need to work with all other organizations in the area, not work against them.

[@extec101]

efra is like a old gang of mafia that see that only they decide the rules and dont folow the new trends. then go on a tantrum when something new turns up and they cant get in and manage that.

[@BartBananaMan]

The races organized by RedRC (ETS and OES) were not held on EFRA/national federation member RC-Car clubs, but one temporary tracks and at manufactures tracks. EFRA is a federation of national CLUBS which are member of the national federations, like the NOMAC in the Netherlands. So they don't support races outside the ones organised by their member clubs.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Which is idiotic and brought up in the video

[@BartBananaMan]

@@invisiblespeedrc Yes, I know. I just emphasized...

[@mjlogic]

As an adult with children that is just getting back into this, And as somebody that is coming from other non-mainstream hobbies, I see a few issues. To the other comments about location, I completely agree. I remember seeing my first rc race as a child at an outdoor track next to a mall. My mom took us over to watch, that memory is still stuck in my head. Coming from disc golf, RC needs more professional coverage of the sport. I wouldn’t leave that up to the governing body though, it needs to be independent. Coming from airsoft, parts/tech support of rc is horrible. The manufacturers seem to incorporate planned obsolescence into every product. I’d rather see a governing body create better standards around parts that should be universal across brands. At the very least, there should be better support on identifying alternate parts for aging rc’s. If a manufacturer decides to stop producing parts, they should offer up the CAD files so people can 3D print them on their own. It seems like everyone just accepts the sport to be expensive, it doesn’t have to be. Lastly, local clubs should have better ways of getting newbies into the hobby by offering rentals, driving classes/racing orientations. There too big of a gap between the dedicated racers and the average person walking in off the street.

[@____MC____]

Still got my tc4. But parts availability sucked so i had to run superglued parts and lost interest.

[@extec101]

@@____MC____ got the same problem with my TC3ft and its now more of a decoration of my hobby room then gets used due to parts availability and i dont whant it broken. bought a brand new xray xb2c 2022 to have someting to race with that got parts available for years forward.

[@extec101]

mall racing and parking lott need to be big again and racing at club level should be fun and reasonable cheap to get new racer in the sport that cant afford a $1000-$2000 race car to just get in to the sport.

[@extec101]

what i mean that mall and parking racing needs to get big is not to take the racing away from clubs and tracks but to get our cars and sport shown to the public and not get hidden away in some place or building and in that way eaven lite guys and girls that see an RC car racing for the first time can get an interest that rc cars is not only for roaming in the back of the home yard.

[@danyak101]

2 classes I believe increased popularity over last 15 years the most. Nitro Monster truck and Short Couse. Bring them back to get the New people into it.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

And only run them at club races, and only for sportsman and novice

[@danyak101]

Yes exactly those classes are the gateway drug to build racing.

[@HYEonDEATHROW]

Great content! What’s next?

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Car stuff

[@joshlaquerre3197]

Just curious why i have to buy 1000 copies of your book to get one?

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Its out of stock

[@DavidslvPT]

JQ you do seem to know the problems and have good solutions, have you considered trying your own way? I feel that sometimes the best is to lead by example. You seem to be well known in the industry, that may help if you decide to create something better than EFRA

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Rc-gp.com

[@bobchooper114]

Rc racing needs innovative ways to change the track. And what I mean by changing the track is every time the leader crosses the loop the track changes. From jumps going up and down. Carpet tracks can do this with hydraulics. Or building elevated lanes, unique features and changing features monthly. U constantly have to be changing layouts. Browns hobby in irondale Ohio is a great example of what I'm talking about. Check them out. Also hillside rc with minimal room what they did. Evolve or die!!!

[@maplebear3705]

Fantastic information and content! In regards to the Federations, if they keep on talking it will only be that until action is actually taken. I keep on hearing the word "Hobby". Well just like any action activity taken by people its actually a "Sport". There is no "or" word. It's a sport simple. You cant just say I race for a hobby. All you got to say is I am a remote control racer. Anyways, I am really interested in the sport. Very interesting from a promoters view. Yes, I have promoted many live events in the past. I would love to create a series for Professional Drivers, where they actually get paid. Not just get comp for hotel and or a per diem and or food allowance for a weekend event. There needs to be prize money in it for pro drivers to continue their career. As well a tier system. Tier 1 Pro, Tier 2, Semi Pro Drivers and or developmental drivers, Youth development all in the same structure. I would love to create a tour event 5-6 events With in North America and Central America. in a few months. I am inspired from your videos! Keep up the great work and if you know or suggest drivers fantastic, lets build the industry!!!

[@cashanovaphillips233]

Good video WATCHED THE WHOLE video.

[@steffenculmsee3418]

I like the Efra recreation between Ongao and Padova🙋

[@steffenculmsee3418]

Also thanks for this JQ... Great job👌

[@SkullanGuns]

I just bought a scte with upgrades. I'm investing 😌

[@daveshank1921]

Wanna buy a SC104x4. Might like it more. Pretty quick n nimble.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@daveshank1921 Ah, the ol' "associated fan yells at someone for buying a Losi" thing. That never gets old...

[@daveshank1921]

@@VestedUTuber I wasn't yelling at you for buying a Losi. I have been around RC since 1984. I have owned alot of Losi and AE. Imo the SC10 4x4 is quicker and more nimble. I owned a SCTE and hated it. The center driveshafts wear very fast. And I was always replacing broken or worn parts. I dont dislike Losi just that one truck. But yes I am an AE fanboy what of it.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@daveshank1921 Not at me, at the OP. I was just taking a jab at the whole rivalry, that's all.

[@daveshank1921]

@@VestedUTuber Ha. Jabs taken. I dont care for Losi new cars. I love AE. But Losi does win races and sell product. By the way my AE Is better lol

[@jayrusso8807]

Anybody in the Grand Rapids Michigan area come check out grand river RC they race off road Friday & on-road Saturday

[@roeloftooms]

The main problem of the EFRA AGM and its voting system is that most of the representatives of their countries vote in a wrong way. First by not knowing English that good but most important that they do not ask their drivers how to vote but think they know how to vote or in case of commercial reasons vote for their own profit. With that the EFRA rules and directions are far from the bigger picture. I have been with several AGM meetings and have seen technical rules pushed w/o any knowledge of backing up tests. There was once a talk to limit engines to 5 ports because that would lower the noise, HUH? In he same meeting it was mentioned to rule out aluminum sleeves because they make a lot of noise, this was backed up by Italy where an engine manufacturer did the word, HUH? From both I wanted to see the test reports, but there were no reports based on same configured (timed) engines. Lucky they were just thoughts to think about. But yes, if you present it well you can get the votes of those who do not understand the technology. The same was with lowering the weight limit. Because pro racers need to add more tungsten weights they wanted to lower the weight, sadly they do not understand that adding weight is cheaper than loosing weight. By loosing weight cars will also be more fragile which is bad for the less experienced racer. A bad choice we have seen was with the 30xx exhausts which seemed to be a disaster and resulted in many blown engines. In the whole construction not much technicians, racers and for sure the just started or wanting to start racers are never heard.

[@bobthomas9403]

SHAWS RC TRACK IS IN DA HAUS!!!

[@THEDnARACER]

This is the issue in any “hobby” that isn’t mainstream. My dad and I drag race vintage volkswagens and it’s in the same situation with the exact same issues

[@rccalifornia1040]

I've just mastered the KRAKEN VEKTA 5

[@fencer39]

Does EFRA need to be governing body for all classes?....No....there are so many.....let the track guys have 1 governing body and the offroaders another or something like that. How can they concentrate on anything with so many classes ?

[@lance76racing]

Interesting points

[@martinoulthwaite7327]

the problem with rc racing is the lack of spectators, and the reason for that is the ludicrous 'timed' racing. while 'timed' racing (for want of a better word) is in place it will always be a 'family' affair. what it needs is proper racing. every 'race' should be that, 'a race'. my club, 'lawford buggy club', has been 'racing' since 1988, using race formats a la speedway. it's easy and far more exciting.

[@Gravyking88]

Efra spent 35000 on media in 2020 and 2019 then they budget 5000 in 2021 how can that be?

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Probably because covid happened and all races were cancelled, so payment will be used for 21 instead

[@gillesfatton]

JQ, I love you (kidding), I love your videos and and I agree with your point of view. This trilogy is great and inspirating,especially while I am starting to take a tiny role into a national federation. Nevertheless I am a bit disapointed by the part #3. If it is definitivly fair and useful to get your reading of the selected extracts of EFRA AGM reports, the "logo affair" has to be highlighted, I think 1/ you are a bit too picky with the bureaucraty stuff, i.e.: you acknowledge that the role and duty of a federation is to ensure stability (and visibility to drivers, manufacturers, to all actors), so reports and powerpoints sound to me as a needed exercise (which are not MY prefered, but somebody has to be structured and meticulous) 2/ while you usually give some ideas, here there less than 20% (the Conclusion) where you provides some "how to" and ideas. So as a result, it looks too much like an indictment against EFRA, the balance with "here's what I recomend" is not there as usual. I do agree again with the ascertainment about the hobby and the need to act now. Guys like you, with popularity within the hobby, and guys like us, passionate that want to act/to change things, considering it is a hobby and not the Apple kind of business, we would need to be more conciliatory with the one that do/that did and watch ourselves inton the mirror to SUCCEED to find the way to make the things evolve. We have to suggest more, according to me, not only 20% of the video. I vote for a part #4 Still love you ;)

[@invisiblespeedrc]

I have to disagree. 1. Showing that the same things aave been discussed for 20 years shows that the bureaucracy is all that happens in EFRA as far as progress is concerned. 2. There are plenty of examples of what a federation should do, in fact I lay out the most important tasks a federation has. Did you watch the whole video? I explained that as a federation EFRA and others should focus on their strengths, which is the strong stable foundation that builds on the bureaucracy, so uniform global rules and standards for EC and WC races. Then in addition to that, raise funds for promotion of RC, hire professional event organiser to run EC races, pick one or two classes a year to focus more budget, and join public event, work with not against other organisers and organisations, such as EOS, RCGP for example, use them to test out functioning (better) racing formats to adopt, use zoom meetings with decision making power to be able to make faster decisions regarding the faster moving stuff in the world, use social media marketing to promote RC, as well as work on developing other technological ways to improve RC's visibility and attractiveness by working with tech companies like house of RC, liveRC ,everlaps for example. Provide well thought out and working templates for how to start and run an RC club, build a track, attrack beginners, run clubraces, run courses for children etc. What more do you want? I think you must have fallen asleep.

[@gillesfatton]

@@invisiblespeedrc , yep, I watched the whole video, not asleep, not several screens, not when my wife started a speech, no fast forward, but focused, as for the two first chapters. I am not appologizing, just insisting. I saw all what you mentioned, nevertheless, some watcher as I did may see a kind of unbalance in this 3rd part. You know better than I do club life. With our "toy car" it is not yet the premier league kind of sport, it stills all about amateur stuff. You are 200% right about the recomendations you raise, as right as when you speak about volunteers. We must have a vision and you convinced me in previous parts. My message is aimed at wording a subtility. It is about staged efforts, realistic steps. The P&L of EFRA with its 200K saving and 10K +/- yearly result calls for creativity. To hire a pro for this, promote that, investigate those ones, may not be feasible for this band of volunteers. I feel it's harder to design a Citroen 2CV that a Mercedes. I strongly believe the edge between motivation and discouragement is thin. The balance between "you are doing right" and "you are wrong" has to be artificialy set to some kindness and patience. It's not weakness, it's managing volunteers. Don't get me wrong, neither asleep nor cons. As I want to help to improve our RC car world, I taking it seriously. I'm afraid here, in terms of tactic, that a too straight forward approach, a too frontal attack would not provide the expected results. You said into your part #1 than it should be shared to the people whom matter in the associations, whom rule, I started. Even if we would disagree here, on the way the message will be absorbed by spectators, including the ones that can change it, I have been deeply inspired by your shared thoughts. Thanks PS : my english is not as good as yours, the message might be hard to get passed.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@gillesfatton Your pragmatic approach has got us nowhere in decades. This is the whole point of what I am saying. We must force their hand.

[@gillesfatton]

@@invisiblespeedrc OK, as we agree on the target, let's see, if you're confident in a method, even a draft, show us the way to force their hand, we (at least I) will support, you should initiate a move, we will follow

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@gillesfatton I have already initiated a move.

[@MrLunithy]

I think back to 2012 ... timecop stm 32's ...quads got better and better 2013 ... then all of a sudden they were drones and all hell broke lose now my hobby is a crime 2021.

[@michaelhemmerling4391]

But when they go to a big track they don’t act like that

[@bobthomas9403]

Waddup JQster!!!

[@lance76racing]

Lot of the same issues with ROAR over here.

[@rcf1blog]

Much of what was brought up here has merit, but the main thing is money. No race promoter has any incentive to work with the sanctioning bodies. It add expense for the racer ( membership fees) and the promotion already has the advantage of using the rules and the big one, the approved product list for free. No reason for them to cooperate with the federation. Will the manufacturers see ROI on any of this? Can they work together? There are few examples of industry wide cooperation, especially ones where cash money is involved. Beyond that, this is in the end a participation sport. Big races in high profile areas are great, but mostly people watch and say, "oh cool"...ten minutes later they are on their way again, no different than watching a street magician do a couple tricks. I have heard a lot of ideas on how to grow things using models from other recreational or sports activities, but most of these models have massive participation. Even things like bmx, or karting are still more mainstream than rc cars. Most of these for profit races in the USA are based on having massive entries and super long race days. That's the only way it can really work. 72 drivers at a race does not do it unless someone comes up with the money to put it on. I just dont see where the actual cash is coming from (not product as sponsorship)

[@invisiblespeedrc]

I disagree with most of what you said. 1. the federations should be able to bring value to the races, for example fund media coverage. That would be one reason for the race to want to work with the federation. 2. It is the same for everything, if people who have never seen motocross stumble on a race, almost all of them will walk away and never buy a dirtbike. What is your point? It's the same for everything. The point is that when enough people stumble upon it, and it is attractive, there will be enough people joining. 3. The big races in USA is NOT the only way. It is the way because the organisers CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. Capitalism, charge as much as you can, give as little as possible, make as much profit as possible. A simple formula applied to these races. Terrible for the hobby, great for the organisers. They make 50k-80k profit on 1 event. I know how much it costs to put on what is largely considered to be the best covered and best looking RC race......

[@BartBananaMan]

So, RC-GP took EFRA 2007 plans, worked them out and 12 years later they held 6 events? EFRA is a federation of national RC Car clubs. They are representing the clubs, they are not a race organizer.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

No, 1 those werent EFRA Plans, they were plans presented to EFRA, and 2 we didn’t know about them when we made the RCGP plan. RCGP is basically the same as how fullscale motorsports works. EFRA is trying to be a race organiser, which I also said is a problem.

[@glennmathias1805]

So, one quick question - What the heck is EFRA?

[@invisiblespeedrc]

IF you need to ask that after watching this video, thne I don't know what to tell you....

[@glennmathias1805]

@@invisiblespeedrc Look. You obviously love the sport. I like your videos. You make me laugh a lot! I was just trying to lighten the mood. You have more experience than most people have in the industry. Your ideas are well thought out. Keep the videos coming. I learn something every time you open your pie hole.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@glennmathias1805 Hopefully be back to cars very soon!!!

[@glennmathias1805]

@@invisiblespeedrc I hope you are soon, too. COVID is not as fun as the Chinese led us to believe.

[@TheNoNameRCPodcast]

Vulnerable for lobbying means who's paying the most !

[@Ultegra10SPD]

Hour of federation RC talk and he didnt mention ‘MEOW’ once. Didnt think that was possible. Watched these when they came out again for some good background noise (and bc man himself said to do so). Yes club racing shouldnt be all day and levels are too high. Poll some older folk steeped in slot car racing on what not to do. Cycling has it right for most part. 8 and under is free. Jr prgms to guide teach and give kids a team (not a gang) to belong to (like that stick/ball uniform). Jr Age groups as they grow, categories as they get older that keep folks where their talent puts them, and even masters as we get older, maybe a lil bigger, and take time off from training to pay the mortgage. It also doesnt take all day. 100s at each event pay 30-50$ (all except elites usually not for cash prizes) to race 30-45min then go home. Clubs around here cant pull 30 unique drivers for a club race at 15-20$. Sure it is bc it takes all day. (Cant say its bc u smoke 2-3 tire sets, fuel, consumables etc bc cyclists have those too). Last 2yrs in hobby (11-12) i only did 24hr race held 1/yr. Crazy fun hang with ur buds do somethin u think car couldnt do then it is done. A good time. I dont have to come back 10-12 more times to complete a season championship. I got chided heavily for spending lots of $ to prepare for these races. I countered by saying i likely spent less than they did for their whole season and even got more track time in 1 wkend than they did. Also likely that their car was just as used up and worthless (or obsoleted by new model each yr - lookin at u xray). I also got grief for working lots of grey areas in rules to make the car quicker in testing before race day. I countered by asking all of them if their weekend race car was ever like it is on the box it came in? Never. End of discussion. 3heats and a main needs to die. Til then i will stay away. Maybe kids n i will make a backyard track and play with rereleases. Sad. So much of my time and money and i have actual trouble presenting this hobby to my kids. Best wishes. Keep firin’. -U10

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Whats meow

[@Ultegra10SPD]

@@invisiblespeedrc US RC organizing body. Dont even like to say the actual name. -U10

[@BartBananaMan]

JQ, are youselve member of a club? Are YOU a member of a club? Is your club member of the national federation? Is your national federation member of EFRA? EFRA is a federation of national clubs which are members of the national federation. Not all national clubs are member of a national federation. Not all national federations are member of the EFRA (or IFMAR). If you want to change: start at your club, be member of the board of your club, Get chosen in to the board of your national federation, get your national federation to send you to the EFRA meetings. Present our ideas to the board of EFRA. Get your ideas voted Then you change things... BUT BECOME MEMBER OF A LOCAL CLUB FIRST!!!

[@invisiblespeedrc]

You are an idiot. What you are saying makes no sense to anyone that actually watched the video. Joining an efra meeting does not help, because efra itself is broken. I can say this because I know you. Go away.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Also if you watched the video you would know that I was in the meeting representing Finland. You are actually a perfect example of the kind of stupidity that holds efra back.

[@BartBananaMan]

​@@invisiblespeedrc I'm not defending EFRA or denying that EFRA is broken; only explaining what EFRA is. Visiting one meeting, bringing one proposal and expecting that everything changes is far from reality. Bureaucratic organizations are hard to change. Also the Dutch federation is broken (NOMAC) they are not representing the clubs, but there a re some individuals who represent themselves and their own ideas. None of the Dutch offroad clubs are NOMAC member, so no Dutch RC-offroad clubs are represented in the federations (only some onroad clubs) . But we have a successful Dutch 1/8th buggy Championship and we have always some Dutch drivers attending the Euros-B from the EFRA. Onroad we have some world class drivers and their clubs are member of NOMAC (and NOMAC is member of EFRA). So our NOMAC is virtually only representing a handful of (very good) drivers.

[@straightburn]

Why don't they try to get schools to start RC clubs? Thats what I would be doing if I was trying to grow RC here in the US, what kid wouldnt want to play with RC cars at school.

[@brentlegg4895]

Sometimes changes have to be made by pissing some people off.

[@chadthomas8281]

Lefty for IFMAR president also; don't forget!

[@invisiblespeedrc]

I forgot to bring that up

[@mitchrozelle269]

It is the cost like in all the hobbies ,is the big thing and the video games.And the time it takes to learn how to drive a car.All this racing stuff can only happen if there is real interest in the sport.And for most people today the cost is a big thing , and the time. Also a place to run the cars . You need land . That is a big problem in it's self. More cost. What a downer!

[@bobthomas9403]

INDY RC WORLD IN DA HAUS!!!

[@RBAERO]

What's happening, vacation?

[@shaunsmith8494]

I'm surprised you lasted until 33 minute mark before snapping about the spelling 🤣.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

Was trying not to be ”that guy”

[@Crawlerworkz2023]

40 seconds into the video and I’m already offended... 👍

[@flaviorodrigues9168]

They all just empty words... every new year its like this... good words no development

[@LawrenceTimme]

I know what would really help rc racing. If they banned nitro with more than 16% nitro content and lipo batteries for elf and safety reasons 😅😅😅

[@daveshank1921]

Imagine it. Got a Brand new Mito 7port rally in a lightened hyper7. 30% 9886. MoFo rips. Now 16% 9901. LOL were did the power go. Oh yeah its being choked to death. Sounds fun.

[@noswad75]

The only way RC will be saved is two things. Forget all of the politics and these organizations. RC has a fundamental problem like most hobbies do. Cost and locations! RC like most hobbies is pound for pound ridiculously expensive just to get started in. To build a functional kit cost a well over thousand dollars!! Beginners in a hobby don’t want to spend that type of money. I haven’t because there’s no place to run cars. I live in Michigan and there are no outdoor tracks or anything. There’s only a couple small scruffy indoor tracks. There needs to be less cost associated with RC, and more tracks and local stores! If these organizations are not going to use the political influences, in local communities to support and build hobby shops and build tracks, RC is not going to grow! Paintball has had the same problem for years!! Why!! Too friggin expensive!! No place to play. RC, too friggin expensive, no place to shop or drive or race!! It doesn’t matter what these organizations do or whatever. If those two fundamental issues aren’t addressed, bye bye RC! Especially now with all this covid crap, and the financial instability it has created, not many people have a grand to drop on an RC setup. That they can’t run anywhere.

[@6fiddy309]

I used to race about 6~8 years ago and never met so many assholes in my life.. many of the guys were way over their head financially or walking the line so to speak.. novice mistakes would make them ready to come to blows.. this Sport and I use the term loosely.. has gotten way too expensive to be fun for the average guy.. a damn shame..

[@invisiblespeedrc]

It hasnt. Its cheaper than before

[@tomasrejmont4255]

It should not be so difficult to bring system into rc racing, just copy and improve system of global and national federations from hockey (IIHF), football ( FIFA, UEFA). Global federations gives rules and orginizes biggest events. All country nations has their voted members in global federations. National federations orginize and use same rules for national races. Main issue is that these organizaion does orginize only few races per year, the racer does not want to be members of the federation. It cause problems to get money from goverment/sponzors/ tv rights...Mainly natinal federations should orginize or help to orginize all clubs races in the country.

[@thecircusfreak_99]

This is what gets solved in the first few week of developing a business. Not take 3 years. LOL Lord help us

[@michaelcausby6500]

To many rc snobs with 3000$ plus buggy that look down on a 800$ stock kit talking down to people as if they dont belong on the track

[@bobthomas9403]

Whos' the bad guy?? the Traxxas or JQ owner??

[@muggymaniac]

Traxas is main reason hobby is watered down! Traxas garbage! Like bad crack!😅😱😳

[@seanweir7311]

@@muggymaniac yeah ok

[@daveshank1921]

@@muggymaniac Ha. Im not a big traxxas fan but they have brought alot of ppl in the hobby. I just think they are overpriced. They are not race vehicles so with that said. They are better than most plastic entry level bash cars. Go AE. lol

[@muggymaniac]

@@seanweir7311 can you honestly say that traxas is qauility! Let alone race qauility!🤔 thats what i thought! I rest my case!

[@muggymaniac]

@@daveshank1921 ive ben repairing and maintaining traxas on the side for a full year now and what i seen your correct! As far as coming in to hobby but i also seen atleast 100 people personally quite the hobby because of traxas and the lack if qauilty and the dam headaches and bad taste it left in there mouth! Thats real! traxas is wrong impression of real rc period!

[@KHeidendal]

Rc is dead. Most people buy rtr cars from traxxas, but nobody buys a real rc car with a gas or nitro engine. Most local hobby shops dont sell nitro anymore just electric. Its more a bashing thing in stead of racing on track.

[@edsonkidwell2522]

WOW JQ DOES THIS CONVERSATION BRING BACK MEMORIES USRCRA TRACK GUIDE LOCATION GUIDE I RACED HO SLOT CARS IN THE 70S AND IN THE BACK OF THE AFX OWNERS MANUAL HOBBY SHOPS WHERE LISTED I WOULD GLADLY HELP OTHERS A FOLLOWER AND COMMENTER ON A NUMBER OF RC RACERS JQ CARRY ON BROTHER im aghast at how worthless they are WOW WOW !!!!!!!! USELESSLY 💯 % SAD

[@flynncordova5589]

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