A18 Pro vs A17 Pro vs Snapdragon vs Dimensity vs Google Tensor

[@runepedersenDK]

Thanks. I'm kind of surprised that the A18 Pro is faster in singlecore, than the M3

[@sergioyichiong7269]

Just numbers

[@Lehsah2021]

The A18 use the same architecture as the M4 so it isn’t surprising

[@anwarulislam9522]

The A18 pro is using the same platform used in M4. Obviously it will be faster

[@Winnetou17]

Wow, I remember when Intel's i7 7700K had 4.0 GHz out of the box. And that was a big thing (though mostly because the chip had literally nothing else to show over i7 6700K). Now we have 4 GHz in smartphones. Crazy! I feel old.

[@MrSamPhoenix]

Indeed. All this performance is crazy to think about in a little device that fits in your pocket.

[@Vordigon1]

The more interesting question is, how do we use it? Most if not all apps are designed for midrange devices as they tend to be most numerous. :(

[@MrSamPhoenix]

@@Vordigon1 You’ll have to ask the app developers. If we didn’t have all this processing power I’m sure they’d complain. Apple designed the powerful chips, and the programmers have to take advantage of it.

[@d_techterminal]

​@@Vordigon1samsung dex implementation on iphones? Never gonna happen since it's apple

[@akarimsiddiqui7572]

Could you do benchmark on sustained performance and battery performance? Peak performance does not indicate real world usage.

[@GaryExplains]

I most likely will, I have done that in the past for most major launches. However I don't have the sustained performance numbers yet.

[@chengong388]

peak performance indicate real world usage much more than sustained, because most things you do on a phone is peak performance....

[@kreamypie]

@@chengong388over prolonged use, phone heats up and throttles down. I think thats what he meant by sustained performance. Peak is when the phone is cooled down and in best condition. A phone with good sustained performance doesn’t throttle down badly to the point it starts to have performance issues.

[@chengong388]

@@kreamypie it’s not gonna throttle down just from you using the phone to do everyday stuff, no matter how long.

[@akarimsiddiqui7572]

@@chengong388 You probably have not used a modern smart phone or done any real multitasking. The phone does heat up and throttle down over prolonged use. That is a fact. If you ever used a modern phone, you must have seen a notification.

[@Gopinathk17]

Hey Gary, how are you man..watching your videos after a while

[@theRebel787]

Compare there gpus please

[@nitroxide17]

Very good video. Informative and concise!

[@GaryExplains]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@BrockSuire75]

I really enjoyed your video today. I’ve subscribed to your channel and look forward to seeing more content.

[@aleksandardjurovic4773]

Thank you! Very informative. 🙂

[@natjes6017]

Great video, thanks a lot!

[@johntruongpictures]

Great comparison, thank you! I wish more reviewers would normalize clock speeds so you can see actual generational improvements in the IPC and microarchitecture. You can see that Apple's M1 to M3 single cores are just speed bumps - and little, if any, microarchitecture improvements.

[@nicolafavero]

Curious to see if the upcoming Apple M5 architecture will be a “more significant leap” with the introduction of TSMC’s SoIC technology and the next-generation hybrid SoIC package solution.

[@friedpicklezzz]

All close together. Which is great: competition!

[@akarimsiddiqui7572]

Others haven't been competing with Apple silicon for some years now.

[@rdspam]

Is Apple’s 14-77% (24-41% normalized) higher performance really “close together”?

[@hermanstokbrood]

@@akarimsiddiqui7572 Why do you say this? I've honestly no clue.

[@hermanstokbrood]

@@rdspam LOL, so you compare the newest SoC of Apple on 3nm with an almost year old 4nm SoC of the competition?? Let's wait a month or two and let's then compare again.

[@Lee.S321]

​@akarimsiddiqui7572 If he'd shown the GPU performance comparison it would show a different story.

[@bruceparker3139]

Cant wait for whats new qualcomm bring with oryon core in mobile SOC, hopefully that will matches the Apples performance and efficiency. Looking forward to your review.

[@Sacto1654]

The upcoming Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 will probably be the fastest, but if the rumors are correct, that SoC could potentially have a lot of heat generating issues unless Samsung really designed the case of the Galaxy S25 very carefully.

[@GlobalWave1]

Fastest in multicore because they have more cores in their SOC usually. In single core Apple is miles ahead. I’m actually very excited about how their laptops will perform next month.

[@dimiberberu]

@@GlobalWave1 For AI multicore matters & Apple will be kilometers behind ;)

[@panjak323]

​@@GlobalWave1Wellp not anymore... Oryon cores will have 20% higher IPC and 30% higher frequency than 8G3... In the GAppleBench that's still means 50% improvement - ie exactly A18 performance.

[@Freshbott2]

@@dimiberberu Unless you wanna wait ten minutes for an answer, AI workloads don’t run on the CPU. This is just coping. It’ll take years for Qualcomm to touch Apple in either single or multiple sorry. There’s a reason they compared Snapdragon to M1 at the time of the M3.

[@sjzara]

Fascinating to see clock speeds creeping up.

[@antoinereese4295]

So interesting just how much efficiency the Tensor chips are losing as a result of the process node. Next years Tensor will truly be a revelation even if they used the same designs which i'm sure they won't. Speaks volumes on quality from TSMC and poorly on Samsung. Not sure how they can be so innovative with memory chips, but also so lack luster in SoCs. Apple's real advantage is being the first to market with TSMCs new manufacturing processes and ARM designs

[@ashishpatel350]

Yup there's no innovation on apples part it's all tsmc goes to show you apples lack of innovation

[@GaryExplains]

@ashishpatel350 Nonsense. This is Apple's first Armv9 CPU for mobile. You think TSMC designed it?

[@gymnastchannel7372]

I have a very similar opinion. AMD and Apple are very much leveraging TSMC to gain and advantage whereas Samsung and Intel may have very performant designs that are hamstrung by the process nodes they have available.

[@gymnastchannel7372]

Hi Gary! I don’t see that Ashish is saying Apple lacked innovation or progress. Perhaps ours is more a comment about how TSMC provides a great process that enables good designs to best be showcased.

[@ashishpatel350]

@@gymnastchannel7372 yes tsmc is allowing apple to have a step up. But it's mostly because apple will buy out tsmcs most advanced nodes not allowing others to have access to it. Most of the innovation from performance to battery life is just the node bump and little tweaks. Not to mention apple doesn't have their own instruction set it's licensed off arm .

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Well done comparison, especially speed per Ghz with microarchitecture improvements👍

[@WeeeAffandi]

Can you do GPU based tests as well and compare it against the Android?

[@leledumbo]

Looks like Apple has finally found a replacement team for the Nuvia team with the launch of M4

[@BorisZX6R]

Whatever happened to Speed Test G ?

[@mortaza3840]

They took M4 and removed some cores and put in iPhone 16 Pro…

[@GaryExplains]

Basically, yes.

[@gymnastchannel7372]

I personally think it’s a smart strategy. Is it decontenting though or binning? I’d suspect the former but do let me know.

[@SussySmurf]

That's basically the idea for Apple's A and M chips. They share the designs. It's just that the A chips are optimized for smartphones while the M chips have less restraints. Even the now replaced X and Z variants of their A chips in old iPads like the new M chips in iPads, just A series chips with more cores.

[@v808]

true, for last 4 years the M1,M2 & M3 were scaled up versions of A14 to A16. now it’s the other way around. I hope they up the core counts in next A series chips to 6 efficiency cores & 2 high performance cores.

[@raykyledecastro6083]

Shouldve made this after the Snapdragon Tech Summit tho haha. First year that Android performance is a tossup with Apple

[@GaryExplains]

Why can't I make this video now and then another once after the Tech Summit? The Tech Summit is over a month away and real world devices won't be out for at least 2 to 3 months from now. You think I need to wait 3 months before I make a video about an Apple chip that is in real devices today?

[@GaryExplains]

What has Samsung got to do with it?

[@GaryExplains]

But what has Samsung got to do with the Snapdragon Tech Summit, which is what the original comment was about? Also WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

[@Aggie4life77]

@@rap-soldier2185You still didn’t answer the question. What does Samsung have to do with the snap dragon chips?

[@abhijitnalani]

@@GaryExplains You should have waited and tested the chips after Apple intelligence gets launched in all its "Glory" eventually next year hopefully or even 2026.

[@rehanyawar7207]

No GPU comparison?

[@riscuit5760]

Thats cool. I wish iPhones had something similar to Dex. Then all that power will be useful.

[@aamiddel8646]

Nice info. Where do you all need that speed for in a phone?

[@leledumbo]

There are power users that use smartphones. They do editing on the go such as during commute in trains so that when they arrive at their destinations they only need to upload their work.

[@aamiddel8646]

@@leledumbo Yep For text editing or xls sheets you don't need much speed. For video editing speed and memory is a must. But how many people do that on the go?

[@leledumbo]

@@aamiddel8646 not much, but the market is there (people are willing to buy for that capability) so...

[@joepainai7515]

Mainly just to justify the price. Imagine paying the same amount with no improvement. The reason to upgrade will be gone.

[@ankit_aanand]

Please do Speedtest G 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@MilushevGeorgi]

Great job

[@Jackkalpakian]

Factoring in the cost?

[@TheSkilledz]

Where did you come up with that low score for Dimensity 9300 ?? Multi core is at least 7500. Did you put the phone on battery saver or what ?

[@test40323]

nice comparison, this got me think...what's the cost of this improvement? e.g. heat, battery life?

[@Shalomrutere]

I would have liked to see the Exynos 2400 in this table too. Also, considering the things about heat we've seen with any processors made by Samsung, i would like to see how their next generation would perform if they would get them made by TSMC🙋

[@wingchong68]

sir what is a CUDIMM?

[@LiveType]

A memory stick with a clock generator on it. Allows for higher clockspeeds without spiking board costs nearly as much.

[@panjak323]

I mean... 9300 and 8G3 are 2 nodes behind (also 1 year old), and nearly match multi core performance.. And IPC wise in single core they're not that far behind, A18 has only 20% higher IPC, when normalized to same frequency. Can't wait to see how 8G4 with custom core design and new node performs...

[@raymondrached6301]

can you make a video about the A18 please

[@awaisahmed9418]

I heard rumours that Qualcomm is bringing its Oryan Cores to the Mobile division. So we could potentially get Xelite for Smartphones.

[@GaryExplains]

It isn't a rumor, Qualcomm announced that last year.

[@hermanstokbrood]

Curious about the latest SoC's build also on 3nm of Qualcomm and Mediatek in a few months and the followup review/comparison.

[@GlobalWave1]

I’m more curious about the M4 laptops next month. The power of that GPU and CPU will be pretty insane I imagine.

[@hermanstokbrood]

​@@GlobalWave1 Every iteration of an Apple product the fanboys thinks it will be "insane". I don't know where this comes from.

[@GlobalWave1]

@@hermanstokbrood When the M4 max has the fastest CPU+IGPU in a laptop I think that would be pretty impressive. Even potentially matching a 4090 mobile. Isn’t that pretty impressive?

[@hermanstokbrood]

@@GlobalWave1 Yeah dream on fanboy. Apple marketing is pretty impressive that's for sure. You are hooked, trapped in the Apple eco-system. There is so much to choose outside Apple's walled garden that's competitive. From Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X, to strong AMD CPU's with strong iGPU's. Besides that it runs the OS of my choice.

[@GlobalWave1]

@@hermanstokbrood Sure you can say that all you want but let’s face it the Qualcomm laptops are selling much and they are going to get the native support like Apple did. Not to mention their iGPU is terrible relatively speaking. Mediatek could be interesting when they team up with Nvidia. If we are talking laptop SOC’s I’m interested in AMD strix halo and Intel lunar lake. Those will be competitive with the M4 series but I think the M4 max will take the cake at least until next year. You can call me a fanboy and that’s fine but please tell me where you can find a similar iGPU to the M3 max?

[@Rebirthhhhhh]

Does anyone know what this would translate to in transistor count? The A17 pro has 19 billion so assuming a bonus of 14% comes out to somewhere in the 20-21 billion transistor count in the A18? Apple didn’t give transistor count numbers this year

[@floppa9415]

4 Ghz on a Phone chip is nuts!

[@starlink2970]

💯💪🙏 prof. garry 💪👍🙏

[@iambujar]

My 15 pro max did 7575 multi and 2981 single

[@HasanAlKharfan]

Funny how the single core score of the a18 pro is almost as fast as the tensor 4's MULTICORE score 😂

[@naeemulhoque1777]

Do a video for gpu and ml

[@davout5775]

I do not agree with the "per GHz" comparison there. The reason for that is because it doesn't factor in the micoarchitectural improvements. The A18 might be running at lower power usage despite the higher clock speeds. We don't know that yet but it is certainly very possible. We saw the first battery test on YT and the results are striking.

[@GaryExplains]

When you say that per GHz comparison doesn't factor in the microarchitectural improvements. What do you mean? The per GHz is there exactly to demonstrate the microarchitectural improvements, in other words the exact opposite of what you said.

[@davout5775]

@@GaryExplains I mean that I can push 5GHz and still use less power to do so. You doesn't factor in the consumption of the chip. A18 Pro might be pushing 4.05GHz and still consume less power than A17 Pro.

[@GaryExplains]

This video is about peak performance not efficiency. Likewise it isn't about sustained performance or throttling. It also isn't about the weather in New York or the goal rate of France in the world cup. It is about peak performance.

[@davout5775]

@@GaryExplains Then why are you comparing performance per GHz or whatever? This is not a peak performance metric.

[@GaryExplains]

@davout5775 Eh? Per GHz tells you the peak performance at a given clock speed therefore showing the microarchitectural improvements and not just the improvements due to a higher clock speed.

[@cortez1996]

wait until MediaTek and Qualcomm release Snapdragon 8Gen 4 and Dimensity 9400

[@GaryExplains]

And then wait until Apple releases the A19 Pro. It is never about what is coming in 3 months or 6 months or even this time next year, but what is available today when I make the video. When those future processors are in phones I will make more videos

[@SussySmurf]

If the A14 and the M1 share the same core designs, and the A18 /A18 Pro with the M4. Then how about A15, A16, A17 Pro, M2, and M3?

[@v808]

M1 was scaled up A14 M2 was scaled up A15 M3 was scaled up A16 with 3nm node M4 is the base line second gen 3nm node, A18/A18 Pro are downscaled versions of M4

[@v808]

Oh and this isn’t new for Apple, back in the day they had scaled up versions of A8, A9, A10 & A12 with higher core counts in iPads called A8X, A9X, A10X, A12X & A12Z. This was a strategy and set forward plan to move away from the lacking x86’s inefficiency & Intel’s incompetence in desktop space. Eventually when these arm socs got super powerful around A11 bionic they kept up their strength in architecture design and finally announced M1 which basically is a A14X.

[@deserttv8970]

What about the GPU Isn't it important 🤔

[@GaryExplains]

It is important, yes, well for gaming it is. But I didn't cover that in this video.

[@MrSamPhoenix]

All this in a phone

[@ustaadjisharma7591]

Hey gary one small doubt Which Processor Sustain Performance over time of period ? Acc to you 1 ) Samsung vs Pixel vs Apple 🍎 ( choose only one ) 2 ) Longevity also .. Luv from india 🇮🇳

[@GaryExplains]

Sustained performance is a different topic, this is peak performance. I will probably do a sustained performance video later when there has been more testing.

[@ustaadjisharma7591]

@@GaryExplains So which one is good processor in all 3 …. Acc to you… right now & which smartphone using right now

[@GaryExplains]

I don't know, I haven't see the sustained performance number yet. Ultimately there are many other factors like price, camera, battery life, display quality, and ecosystem.

[@theinhumaneme]

Thank You ​@@GaryExplains

[@nickshrestha1470]

❤❤❤

[@sergioyichiong7269]

Just bars no single test on screen.

[@GaryExplains]

So?

[@jimspc07]

Does all this mean you need to talk faster to keep up with the chips or that the listener does not get to hear it all as the chips have already gone past the conversation point. Looking for tomato sauce or something else equally useful for chips?

[@GaryExplains]

Eh?

[@syedsoulatabbas9249]

Hello Sir How Are You? Sir My Request Please Start Speed Test G Test For Iphone 16 pro Max?

[@GaryExplains]

Speed Test G died a long time ago 🪦

[@syedsoulatabbas9249]

@@GaryExplains I want Purchase Speed Test G Software for Apple or Android? Can You Sell me Speed Test G Software?

[@GaryExplains]

😂

[@aliyuabba4575]

​@@syedsoulatabbas9249You gonna need both. I hope he sells to you so we get speedtest back up and running. God! I miss those days. Adrenaline rush

[@Tealc2323]

Do smartphones really need that many cores? I don't see that much of an advantage to got with more than 5 or 6 cores for the CPU. The same about the clusters arrangements. The best configs seems to be high+low cores and high+mid+low cores, but why do they opt for high+high+low (dimensity) and high+mid+mid+low (8 gen 2/3) configs? Is there really an advantage?

[@justtom7240]

The problem with android it is alwayas run so many app in backgroud, past experience with snapdragon 800/801 and 820 (4core) laging as hell and using backgroud killer app such as greenify is a must. Even snapdragon 810 feel faster than 820 in daily usage.

[@ashishpatel350]

Seems meh. All the boost seems to be from tsmc nodes improving and nothing to do with apple

[@v808]

seems like you are new to understanding cpu architectures, a process node provides nothing but better efficiency & higher space to extend bandwidth interconnects for a base core architecture one can design and work with. trace back apple’s socs process nodes and compare the single core scores with the highest end competitors using the same node by same foundry, you’ll see how much more stronger their architecture designs are to that of competitors cheers

[@StopMediaFakery]

@@v808 So why did Samsung always announce new nodes saying they would be either a certain percent faster or a certain percent more efficient?

[@v808]

@@StopMediaFakery Samsung is one gen behind TSMC when it comes to chip fabrication and their in-house CPU designs aren't as efficient or powerful as Snapdragon’s so most of their Exynos chips always are a blend of a few in-house core designs with some standard ARM cores, this almost every time has resulted in lower performance & efficiency as compared to the competition but they’ve tiptoed around it by using more cores in their socs or sometimes a better node on paper compared to TSMC but still failed in efficiency due to inferior methods used in that fabrication with added inferior designs. I hope they catch up soon.

[@Lance.planes.and.more1]

👋

[@nuyou21]

Damn! Apple's A18 Pro just makes you feel even more sorry for Android phones, especially poor Google's Tensor 🤭🤣

[@ashishpatel350]

Not really ... If rather have android over iOS . A18 isn't that good

[@nuyou21]

@@ashishpatel350 You sound like you’ve been crying 🤭😆

[@ashishpatel350]

@@nuyou21 not really ... Qcoms soc is older. Not to mention usually has better modems gpus etc

[@nuyou21]

@@ashishpatel350 🤧 It's OK, you have a good cry 🤭😆

[@nuyou21]

@@rap-soldier2185 🤭 Yeeaaahhhh.... 😆🤣

[@drprince8766]

Pixel phones should not even considered as a pro phone. They are just shit. Surprised why they are expensive.

[@limoo007]

If you had waited a few weeks, you could add SD G4 numbers which will make Apple look inferior. Most KZbinr are Apple fans so that explain it!

[@GaryExplains]

LOL. You are clearly new here.

[@kami-baine]

I always knew those tech KZbinrs are so biased. Edit; I'm an android guy btw.

[@GaryExplains]

And how am I biased? Edit: I am an Android guy btw

[@kami-baine]

@@GaryExplains you're not... I mean you're saying it plainly the iPhone processor is the strongest but other KZbinrs always say Qualcomm is better lol. "I said those" didn't say you.

[@GaryExplains]

Ah, OK, sorry, I misunderstood 🤐

[@kami-baine]

@@GaryExplains ja ja I subscribed 💅🏽

[@Iam_tthompson]

8G of RAM 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Cemo-s2t]

It's a phone and I don't see yall complaining about samsung still using 8 in flagships lol

[@villageroma]

Apple 3 years ahead ckearly

[@TanveerAhmed-dk3rp]

In gpu 3 years behind

[@villageroma]

@@TanveerAhmed-dk3rp their market ain't children

[@TanveerAhmed-dk3rp]

@@villageroma infant

[@mujeebhamid2670]

Both dimensity 9400 and 8 gen 4 better than A18 pro. Peak performance of : A18 pro : 3450/8750 Dimensity 9400 : 3010/9150 8 gen 4 : 3225/10051 But a18 pro will again be the champion of scores at very low wattages. Bcz, its efficiency cores are really really efficient. On geekbench 6 : A18 pro scores 4150 @ 2.5w. And it will be hard for both dimensity 9400 and 8 gen 4 to even touch 4000 @ 2.5w. maybe 3nm will help them. But again it aint going to surpass a18 pro's scores at those low wattages.

[@vectorcomparison4682]

the score you mentioned for 8 gen 4 are from an overclocked oneplus prototype, it will not achieve such higher score in final product, 8 gen 4 will score just under 3000 in geekbench 6 single core.

[@mujeebhamid2670]

@@vectorcomparison4682 when geekbench calculates multicore scores. Every core is automatically downclocked depending upon how much TDP the device allows. Suppose for A17 pro tdp for peak performance was allowed 13.75w and for A18 pro, 12.25w is allowed by the device. In case a18 pro wasn't limited by TDP it would score around 11000 @ 20w. Similarly if 8 gen 4 operates @ full clock speeds of all its 8 cores, it will score around 15000, consuming around 30w. But since it scores only 10000, means its TDP is already restricted to around 12-13w. So whether Qualcomm decreases its frequency, it might effect the single core score but multicore scores will almost remain undeterred.

[@GaryExplains]

@mujeebhamid2670 Throttling is handled by the OS, not by Geekbench. It is very easy to overclock protypes so they run hotter and use more power. The final devices have different constraints. That is why stating "leaks" as facts is a very bad idea.

[@mujeebhamid2670]

@@GaryExplains that's true. Leaks can be misleading most of the times. But the scores that get uploaded on official geekbench website, always turn out to be true. Yes maybe sometimes peak scores get circulated more on twitter, but final score is almost around the same. What is even more surprising is that, the 10041 score of 8 gen 4 is actually said to be underwhelming according to projections of most of the tech enthusiasts. Most expect it to be around 10,600 bcz they shunned 2 useless cortex a520s and added another big core. And then add the efficiency of 3nm as well. 8 gen 4 is expected to score 35-40 % more than 8 gen 3. If 8 gen 3 scored 7450 then 8 gen 4 should score 10000-10500. But again it is a peak performance which won't matter much. Apple still will be leading charts at 2-3 w range, which are more meaningful for sustained performce.

[@GaryExplains]

"But the score that get uploaded on official geekbench website, always turn out to be true." - Not true, sorry.

[@mostlymessingabout]

kinda useless to have all that power and just watch tiktok videos

[@GaryExplains]

If you think that all a smartphone can do is watch TikTok then you should just buy a feature phone.

[@esra_erimez]

@@GaryExplains I think that @mostlymessingabout is saying that people buy the latest and greatest phone and end up just watching TikTok when they could just get a feature phone

[@Cemo-s2t]

I can't stand these stupid comments. Like wouldn't anyone want their phones to get more and more powerful? Nowadays flagship phones are more powerful than the ps4 and you still complaining like tf

[@bowlsem7]

I see his point. The average person can't tell the difference when using the iPhone 16 or the pixel 9. Cell phones are one of the only products that people want highest horsepower for the most mediocre tasks.

[@DK-ox7ze]

⁠People don't buy smartphones just for performance. It's about what a proper OS and the whole ecosystem of apps brings which just isn't possible on a feature phone.

[@TeeDee-j9u]

The Snapdragon 4 showed that its faster then the A18 chip and going to be faster on the Samsung becuase they will be clocked higher

[@GaryExplains]

That may be true or it may not, it isn't launched yet and we won't see devices for several months. Best to wait until we have it in our hands.