A380neo - Airbus' Big Decision

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[@tedsmall3793]

iAs an A380 passenger , it is a wonderful aircraft. The most comfortable, quiet, comfortably pressurised aircraft I have had the pleasure of being a passenger over long flights. I hope they keep flying the A380 800.

[@xraylife]

@@furry_homunculus You obviously haven't propped up the bar on a long hauler..

[@JM-kv2kn]

@@furry_homunculusyou have no idea what you're talking about LOL

[@DrewsTurbo]

It’s such a good plane for long-haul flying.

[@ant2312]

no one asked so not sure why your attempt at deflection @@furry_homunculus

[@tedsmall3793]

@@JM-kv2kn It’s interesting to note that there were 61 thumbs up and only 4 thumbs down . I must know something. About what I am saying and in any case I am entitled to my opinion having flown for in different aircraft over the last 58 years. The first one was in a TAA Electra.

[@rover-t]

Love the A380, will always choose if possible (mostly Singapore). Most fun on Emirates A380 business flight is the bar in the rear.

[@kevin-parratt-artist]

I can't comment on the business decisions. I simply prefer the A380 to anything else I've ever flown in. However, while that is a big plus for me, the other main consideration is the style of service. I prefer Asian Airlines generally, and I book with them first.

[@michaelosgood9876]

As you say, A380 needs more support than just Emirates. Will be Forever the greatest quadjet of all time IMO & travel on one Monday. Can't wait!

[@moapqd1]

"Don't get me wrong; it's not to say the other aircraft will not be good, but I don't think they'll be as good as the A380" Tim Clark, Emirates CEO - June 2020

[@Rob-yj9ew]

Emirates is like a spoiled kid. First they cancel some orders that end the program of the A380 and they knew it, now they are wining that Airbus will not built any 380 anymore. The whole assembly line of the a380 is gone and building a new line will cost billions. It will not happen. So you see, choices you make can influence on your won future. Emirates knew that. The A350-1000 can do too and I think a A350-2000 is more possible than a A380Neo.

[@maximus3504]

I mean emirates probably wanted a more efficient version. When they cancelled those orders, they probably considering to some extent ditching the hub and spoke model but then change their mind

[@johniii8147]

@@maximus3504 They really don't have an option to ditch their hub model, no should they.

[@danharold3087]

​@@maximus3504 It does not matter to Airbus why Emirates canceled the orders. Canceled is canceled. Had the A380 sold enough planes to make a real profit Airbus might be considering a round 2. They lived through the first effort. Burned once....

[@ethanellis1881]

This is why I hate widebody twin jets

[@NaenaeGaming]

@@ethanellis1881you hate easier, more accessible, more direct travel which also happens to be better for the planet?

[@jayraj22]

Zero accidents, king of the skies

[@thomasbaenziger9605]

We need the A380 for time to come. Not only for EK but for congested airports.

[@erikstephens34]

If I recall the A380-800 was only the first variant to be offered. My understanding was that the platform was also designed to accommodate an A380-900. So the A380-800 was heavier than it needed to be. While point to point travel is becoming more popular with aircraft like the A350 - 787 - A321XLR - A220. There is always going to be a demand for high capacity between main focus cities. Yes four engines burn more fuel than two engines. But a transit bus with a larger engine burns more fuel than a mini-van. Yet on a per passenger basis the transit bus is more efficient. An updated A380-900 NEO in theory could have a very competitive or even class leading CASM. The big question is Airbus would need probably at least a dozen different customers and at least 300 orders overall to even consider such a proposal. Is the demand there? Can Airbus make more money off this vs. some other project? For Airbus it's a question of resource allocation, strategy and best NPV return.

[@user-yt198]

Emirates asked not only new engines, but also new wings for A380. Airbus didn't want to spend additional billions of dollars for R&D for an already financially failed project, especially when there was a single potential customer. You may already know that A380 was originally designed considering two variants: initial -800 and a future -900. Both variants were supposed to use the same tail and wings. As a result the current and the only developed variant A380-800 has bigger wings (and tail but that is another story) than it actually needs. That is why Tim Clark is talking about such a dramatic efficiency improvement. Had Airbus designed A380 only for the current variant, it would have been much lighter, more efficient and thus we might be seeing it still in production.

[@kenoliver8913]

It is not just the wings that are too big. Both the landing gear and the empennage (tail) were designed for an even bigger plane. Extra weight and extra drag.

[@markaurelius61]

The twin-engine planes are simply going to be more efficient. It just seems that to carry a given payload for an airliner, 4 engines consume more fuel per passenger km. You can't fight physics, so the A350 and 777 are going to dominate the long range large capacity. At present on my Plane Finder app, there are 61 A380s and 24 A340s, buy 272 A350s, 386 A330s, 473 787s and 560 777s. The A340 and A380 are great planes. I have flown on the A380 a few times and loved it. But the airlines have to make a profit and fuel is a big part of the cost.

[@benjaminlamey3591]

On military airplanes, they switch off some engines during flight to reduce the consumption, this might be an option. you need the power mainly during take off, during coasting, half the engines could actually be switched off, and reduce the fuel consumption. TBC if that works.

[@erikstephens34]

Keep in mind that the A380 is also about double the size of many twins. So the increased fuel burn is amortized over a lot more passengers. The A380 was quite competitive on an CASM basis.

[@benjaminlamey3591]

@@erikstephens34 it is not only fuel burn, it is also engine maintenance. after a certain amount of hours the engines have to be serviced. and this is very expensive. this is probably the reason the 4 engines are being abandonned bvecause of the servicing costs ...

[@erikstephens34]

@@benjaminlamey3591 While your right. Four engines require more maintenance than two engines again this is amortized over a much larger capacity aircraft. Think of the A380 as one airplane doing the work of two but only requiring one landing slot and still fitting in an 80 x 80m box.

[@benjaminlamey3591]

@@erikstephens34 yes and no. this is only valid on very busy routes. with 4 engines on 2 planes, you get more flexibilty when the route is not that busy. that why the A380 is so important for Dubai but not that important in many other places. the A380 does not fit the american model for airlines because it puts highlight on direct routes. but it fit the mono hub of companies like emirates, air france ...

[@andrewgonick]

New composite folding wings (folds even shorter than the current model), new engines, airspace cabin. This would be significant on that scale. Since the line is closed, Emirates should pay for its reopening and aid development. Yes, point-to-point is getting more popular, but airports can only grow so much. Once point-to-point uses up all the additional gates, you will have to add bigger aircraft to the hubs. The hub and spoke model will always exist in some capacity.

[@johniii8147]

Just accept the 380 program is OVER. And no EK can't pay for an aircraft program the would cost billions upon billions. These crazy ideas are amusing.

[@andrewgonick]

@@johniii8147 crazy ideas are why these incredible feats are attempted in the first place.

[@parthasur6018]

The A380 is the most comfortable airplane I have flown in economy class. From JFK to Dubai and back. There is no economy class long haul flight on any other aircraft that is more comfortable, including 747, 777. On the 380 you don't really need the Economy Premium class.

[@PhilippinesTravelFan]

What if Airbus develops of the jumbo jet, A380-1000??

[@AztecAmal]

I love the A380 and it blows my mind thinking about the A380F

[@nathd1748]

Wasn't designed with freight in mind. It would be a piss poor freighter

[@EAFXtrader]

With new modern engines, an updated A380 could be a game changer. Just hope that Airbus keeps its options open

[@the.mystictraveller]

And perhaps they can replace the winglets like those on the A350?

[@heidirabenau511]

Too costly for Airbus and Rolls Royce, it's not just sticking new engines, it's also the costs for certification and possible Sharklets being installed.

[@EAFXtrader]

@@heidirabenau511 It'll be far cheaper than designing a new plane from scratch

[@larsp5109]

All A380 facilities at the Hamburg plant have been converted for building the a320 series. Restarting the A380 program would mean massive reinvestment programs to restarting building the aircraft and will the high demand for the A320 series that ain’t gonna happen…

[@anagl9935]

@@larsp5109if there is a need to build a plane of this size they will modify again the manufacture site. Airbus knows more than us

[@Joskevandormael-yt9gy]

I love the lounge on A380. Must be on every airbus plane.. ..

[@aarronhanson6248]

Yeah a clean sheet big twin design bigger than the B777X might be something Airbus could look into. Quad engine aircraft just won't get the traction from operators. The ultrafan could definetly power this type of aircraft.

[@namele55777]

what about a double decked twinjet? both high capacity and fuel efficient. it will look adorably chonky though... something along the lines of the a330 beluga, perhaps?

[@johniii8147]

Running out of stories again I see. This has been covered to death and Airbus has firmly moved on from the 380

[@Cam_Wight]

They're literally in the process of gutting the A380 building at Broughton to increase A320 Neo production. I wouldn't hold my breath

[@Archduke17]

With all the top-tier airports slot-constricted, the need for an extra large aircraft is inevitable. Whether the A350-1000 is sufficient remains to be seen.

[@johngraham245]

I thought this was the biggest propellant of the super jumbo programs. Emirates have three Dubai flights a day out of Sydney. At present two A380 and one B777 (for the desperate). Due to increasing demand it is swapping out the B777 for an A380. It will then have the maximum passenger capacity by aircraft for its three slots. (It has sacrificed some capacity by the introduction of premium economy into all A380 SYD DBX flights, in exchange for very good money.)

[@JeanClaudeCOCO]

Airports like LONDON Heathrow with restrictions. Emirates is not going to get extra 4 more slots for its operations and potentially losing 1500 passengers daily. Plus all the other routes it take for a single crew, A380 than having multiple plans and full crews which helps them save money. Eg. LAX, Emirates does 1 daily fill with passengers and crew, while competitor Qatar has to send in 2 planes and different times in the day to get even close to what Emirates can do with one A380.

[@johniii8147]

@@furry_homunculus Yes airlines have become quite smart about how to deal with constraints. An airline actually typically makes more money in constrained environments since they can charge more for the available seats and achieve very high load factors.

[@gamm8939]

The 777-9 and A350-2000 are going to meet demand just fine. They are way cheaper, way more efficient and come very close to the capacity of jumbos.

[@richardbriansmith8562]

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[@davidcarter4247]

One of the biggest impediments, maybe the biggest, to restarting A380 production is the Jean-Luc Lagardère assembly hall has been repurposed as an assembly hall for the A320. That means building a new A380 building or disrupting plans to reach 75 highly profitable A320s a month by 2026 while a new narrow-body factory is built. Are those special A380 transport routes still available or have communities reclaimed them? Are the special A380 barges and low-loaders still around or have they found new uses? The A380 ships are now flat out out these days moving components for other Airbus models. The cost of relaunching the A380 is not limited to aircraft development costs.

[@johniii8147]

It's not even being considered. Once the program was shut down, it was DONE. Not even worth speculating about at this point.

[@runskicakesleep]

Airbus will not restart A380 production. Not now, not ever.

[@johniii8147]

Yes people just need to move on from the topic. Typical fanboys. Similar to those still rambling on about the 757 that stopped production 18 years ago.

[@quintonkeyser945]

Love a380!

[@edutaimentcartoys]

nice a380 video 👍

[@afb2]

I don't think Airbus should be listening at all. They should focus on developing a longer A350.

[@user-yt198]

I agree on the need for an A350-2000, but unfortunately Airbus made it clear that they are not planning on a larger A350 until a newer generation engine.

[@michelderauville633]

Surely Airbus can redesign the 380 into a twin engine. The 380 requires 280 000lbs of thrust to carry its massive frame. The biggest jet engine at the moment gives 134 000lbs of thrust..Two of those engines would only fall 8OOOlbs of thrust short. Surely there must be some way of meeting that small gap.

[@AbdulKhan-n8u]

I would like to see a Airbus A380 NEO. BUT not only the new ROLLS ROYCE ULTRA FAN ENGINE. But Airbus has to redesign the winglets such as a double blended winglets, ( DOUBLE BLENDED UP AND DOWN ON EACH WING TIP) , and a blended downwards winglet for the tail span. For me this would improve and give the A380 more efficent and along withe the RR ULTRA FAN ENGINES, CAN MAKE THE AIRCRAFT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND EVEN A LONGER RANGE..

[@2point7182818284590]

WON‘T HAPPEN

[@BerserkFury89]

From what I've read in the past, the A380 was a commercial flop for Airbus, and they haven't been able to recoup the money they put into making it. So I doubt they would be willing to invest more money into a new version.

[@johniii8147]

Oh they lost BILLIONS of Euros on it. The board or shareholders would approve the a new version of it.

[@5ilentObserver]

So much for the "Customer First" philosophy

[@bakkerem1967]

No, that new A380 won't happen. Airbus already dismantled the productionline facilities to repurpose them for building another type (Not sure what type. Perhaps the A350 ?)

[@RagShop1]

Very unlikely the NEO can get a 25% fuel efficiency gain with Ultrafan alone. A bevy of aero tweaks would also be needed to get there.

[@thehighlander959]

The don't need a 25% Improvement to Improve profits. That would be 13% to 17% for Engines. 3% to 5% aerodynamically. Both the RR Ultrafan and GE-NX would/could give you that.

[@RagShop1]

@@thehighlander959 Problem is Airbus WON'T do this for Emirates alone, no matter how much Tim Clark squawks about it. They've had this back and forth for years but a NEO variant won't happen unless multiple carriers want it.

[@user-yt198]

A380Neo in Emirates' mind is not like A320Neo, but like A330Neo. Meaning new engines AND new wings. Obviously Airbus is not willing to spend that much money.

[@RagShop1]

@@user-yt198 Again, not for just Emirates alone. More carriers would have to be interested to justify the revamp.

[@wesellanybiz]

Emirates should have taken the last batch of Airbus A380s to keep the production line going. Who knows more orders might have come from other airliners as travel demand has increased and program could have continued for years to come!!

[@johniii8147]

They are not even using all the ones they have. At least 25 still grounded. EK over ordered the type even in the best of times.

[@wesellanybiz]

@@johniii8147 it was like a catch 22 situation for Emirates. But the program relied on them to be continued. I’m merely saying they should have taken them to keep the production line going. And even now despite having parked A380s they continue to ask for more!! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@benjaminlamey3591]

Airbus shall in any case listen to emirates. this does not mean they will developp an A380 NEO. If there is a future beyond emirates for an aircraft why not, only future will tell. I would love to see a future version of it, but as for now, it seems that economics do not match for it. Also, as long as the engines are not ready, this is a high risk to take.

[@AleksFolk1]

The A380 wasn't expected to have such a demand but that will end in a couple of years once post covid demand ends and capacity returns to at least 2019 levels. A350 and 787/777 with increased frequency on long haul and 321XLR, and 737 max improvements for frequent flights, will remove the needs...

[@dougsz28]

I think they should go ahead with the A380 NEO!!!!

[@johniii8147]

I'm sure they took your recommendation into consideration.

[@drewair2023]

@@johniii8147 troll

[@Coyote27981]

Cancelling the freighter was a mistake, just look at the 747-8...

[@ShadowRaptor8]

The 787's commercial domination over the A380, and Airbus' quick pivot to the competing A350, is perhaps one of the best examples where understanding the market is sometimes more important than engineering for engineering's sake.

[@maxart3392]

Though it is true, it comes at the cost of passengers' comfort, health and maybe even safety: 787 could have never achieved this if it remained with originally planned configuration (2-4-2). Only by squeezing inside 3-3-3 and making economy class unbearable, they got enough capacity that killed the 380 and 747 (the same goes for 3-4-3 on 777 and Airbus now menacing with the same proposal for 350). That's why I think that some (worldwide) regulation regarding the minimum seat width and seat pitch is necessary. But as long as the airlines are considered "customers" and not the people actually flying the planes nothing will happen. Just my 2 cents.

[@colonel_carlito]

@@maxart3392i struggle to think an extra column of seats in steerage is enough to change the game of the industry. there’s a lot more to it than that although it can be considered a residing factor but not a major one

[@DuncanBattersby]

Plastic plane hate it airbus always espa 380

[@JACB006]

Emirates are big enough to consider developing (with suitable technical partners) it’s own NEO conversion for the A380. Yes I appreciate that it is a huge undertaking, but so is loosing a fleet of 100 A380’s if there not competitive. A 25% fuel saving and supreme comfort would once again make the A380 the aircraft of choice for the long haul cost conscious passenger. If Emirates don’t do this, who will buy their old A380’s ? Emirate’s should get on with this now and enjoy the maximum return on their development investment while the airframes have flight Hrs left on them.

[@nathd1748]

How exactly do you work that out?Emirates will need Airbus and either RR or GE on board to do that. RR already fucked them off twice for being too cheeky.

[@JACB006]

@@nathd1748 Yes there would need to be technical partners involved and one of those would need to be the engine suppliers. But the lead partner doesn’t necessarily need to be Airbus. Companies such as Frakes Aviation have made engine conversions for airframes they didn’t manufacture, albeit on airframes much smaller/less sophisticated than the A380.

[@nathd1748]

@@JACB006 I'm afraid where the A380 is concerned, if Airbus were not on board it simply would not happen.

[@JACB006]

@@nathd1748 Airbus would need some level of involvement … but like so many aviation partnerships these days, they don’t have to be the lead partner. Airbus would join if the risk/profit equation suits them, it’s all about momentum and putting the first foot forward in order to get things started.

[@nathd1748]

@JACB006 If you are suggesting that Airbus don't need to be lead partner, I think you are being delusional at the very least.

[@drewair2023]

New folding composite wings that fold even narrower than the current A380, new engines, and it would be a game changer.

[@johniii8147]

No

[@drewair2023]

@@johniii8147 Lighter, more fuel efficient, and if it could fit in already 777 sized infrastructure, why not?

[@johniii8147]

@@drewair2023 Because the market for such an aircraft is so small it's not worth the 10-20 billion it would cost to develop. Airbus and the engine makers have learned that lesson with the 380 and moved on. Doesn't make economic sense for them.

[@drewair2023]

@@johniii8147 Eventually, we will get squeezed of capacity and will need something super sized. They have the potential to make this already existing airframe a lot lighter. Also because it was designed to accommodate a stretched variant.

[@lillysims1968]

Can they not just simply re engine the current aircrafts, or is it not that simple?

[@johniii8147]

No not realistically. It would be way to costly and no engine maker is interested.

[@nathd1748]

They could. It has been done on other aircraft but is a costly venture.

[@johniii8147]

@@nathd1748 Not since decades ago with the DC-8. Just not worth it and it's only gotten more costly and especially will not happen on such a low volume aircraft. It's not even being considered.

[@nathd1748]

@@johniii8147 If the A380 suddenly becomes a higher valued commodity it could be worth it to a manufacturer supplying 600 engines across 150 airframes. Its worth RR time supplying 672 smaller BR718'S for the B52 programme.

[@johniii8147]

@@nathd1748 It would be nowhere near that scale. Not even close. Being generous maybe 50 aircraft at most.There are now less than 200 even left in service and that number will decrease again rapidly once the new aircraft are delivered. To spend billions on such a small market would make zero sense. It's just not gonna happen so no need to fantasize about it. Military is an entirely different ballgame. That's all government funding that pays for all that and don't have to meet all the financial realities of a commercial program.

[@FunFunFun8888]

Forcing everyone to fly to Dubai is a total waste of energy when they can fly directly to the destination. Sir Tim Clark will be gone soon. Boeing where light years ahead with the 787 Dreamliner while the Airbus A380 was a complete flop costing European taxpayers billions of Euros!!

[@meantares]

At some point in time, someone will come up with a new high capacity plane. It’s for Airbus to decide if they want to be that ONE.

[@2ToneWalt]

Its a shame, it would be an amazing sight to see an A380 with 4 RR UltraFans hanging off it.

[@letsseeif]

Currently. As reported. Boeing is thinking about rebooting the 747 using latest technology. Given its iconic status, it's still largely an 1960's aircraft. Airbus could take the A380 and go down this path. However, unless the nations involved can stump up the money I don't see it happening. Only with more than one major carrier interested, will the A380 survive. And given its freight restriction (major mistake by Airbus), only a major 2023 rethink and action plan will do. I wish it well as it's arguably the best for passengers and possibly crew. However, until next century, I only see ETOPS types 'ruling the roost'. - Anyway the Big Engine manufacturers are on a win win. Be it B747, A380, or ETOPS (which themselves will need reboot new tech.).[Melbourne]

[@outermarker5801]

Smoothest ad segue award 🏆😂

[@pacsunzr2]

I wonder if Airbus can perform NEO conversions at Emirates facilities. They have the infrastructure to perform major overhauls. 🤔

[@johniii8147]

There are no NEO "conversions". No such thing exists or planned to exist.

[@bartinga]

I think Airbus should make Emirates their A380 Neo. It would only be right. Just be a professional enterprise and do what your most valued costumer says. It's great for Airbus' reputation. Gotta keep that Emirate fleet young, so Airbus should keep sustaining it.

[@2point7182818284590]

How is going bankrupt great for their reputation.

[@Explor182]

Yes airbus should explore a NEO version even if it’s just a factory engine of previous airframes with new tech

[@gamm8939]

Literally impossible. The production space is gone, the program managers have moved on and the tooling has been scrapped/reused. It doesn't make any sense for Airbus to spend billions for one relatively small batch of incredibly expensive planes.

[@justinstravel]

I still think a two engine 747 is a game changer

[@ant2312]

lol

[@MySkyranger]

An a380 Neo would not only be successful as a present hub to hub aircraft. It would be perfect for new long distance point to point or sunrise flights. Europe to Australia in a B787 or an A380. No contest.

[@johniii8147]

The airlines didn't agree with you so it was a hard pass by both Airbus and RR

[@zhimingyap7883]

No way A380 gonna shine

[@ant2312]

already does for passengers

[@cristiancristi9384]

They said supersonic passenger flights will no more exist in the future... Today, some new exciting supersonic planes are under development They also say big jumbo jets will no more be needed for the future... We just wait and we will see I am sure with advancing engine technology, in the near future we will be very capable of mixing economic jet engines with the comfort of a big jumbo jet....

[@vincentcalvelli6452]

Time for Emirates to accept the fact that for once and for all the A380 assembly lines is closed and will not be restarted.

[@johniii8147]

They know it. Tim just likes to run his mouth about such topics. Nothing new there.

[@neilpickup237]

Airbus is not going to be popular with its share/stake holders if it diverts already stretched resources from the highly profitable to the questionably profitable (at best).

[@danharold3087]

Even if the airlines offered to pay for the program it would still divert airbus engineers that are better used elsewhere.

[@vimal12487]

Yes

[@ralphwatt8752]

A-380 MRTT !

[@gepal7914]

Airbus started building the A380 to compete with the 747 just when Boeing realised that there was not sufficient market for these four engined planes to make them profitable. This was an ego thing, and trying to build a Neo for Emirates would be a disaster for Airbus. The original A380 required huge subsidies from Europe because the engineering was done partly in France and partly in Germany using different software. So the two parts were not compatible and had to be re-engineered. Big delays, big costs.

[@ant2312]

'ego' what a tripe comment, typical Boeing fan

[@sophieA380]

I love the A380s and after seeing this wish they made the freighter hopefully Emirates could persuade other airlines and airbus to build new A380 although hopefully one day I'll get my hands on the 350F but like Emirates I doubt I could persuade management to order the new 350 but airbus should listen to Emirates I would love to see them keep flying but on the plus side I love living near the airport with most A380s come to even got to see a Korean air A380 yesterday but we need more

[@gunvaldsandhaland7757]

Thanks For Great Info

[@Zepherian]

They should reengineer the nose for a A380F. It needs a pivoting nose, would be a case of rising the cockpit and rewireing the front of the plane. A F version needs substantial reengineering anyways, might as well go the full way, and offer it as an option for end of life commercial airframes which would be good donors for full conversions. It would be more expensive than a 747, but at the same time it's a bigger platform so might have a chance of finding a market.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Trouble with this argument is that, although passengers love the A380 airlines dont, its expensive and doesn't have much cargo space. The real answer is what Boeing have done - the 777x . Many Airlines using far more economical aircraft, can and do cover long range (the need to shift 500 passengers to one destination all at the same time with four engines has vanished.Hence the demise of the A340, B747 and now the A380.) So aircraft now only need to carry 300 people or less, hence the popularity of the A321xlr, B787 the A350.and A330-900neo. In reality its economics, everyone wants cheap flights. Until theres a cheaper alternative to Aviation fuel, the economy of two engines will always win over.

[@trin162]

As massive as the 777x is, it will still consume precious space on the tarmac at already busy and restricted airports. All major hubs are in need of the A380. If Emirates did not posses so many A380's, which are almost always full of passengers mind you, those passengers would then be on additional twin-jets and therefor airport capacity would be even ore strained. The problem with so airlines is they push for profit too hard. There should be an understanding of balancing profit with top-notch service. We all love the A380's comfort and safety over every other aircraft and the fact they can carry the load of two giant twin-jets means less fuel burnt rather than two planes both needing gates and burning separate tanks.

[@boljef1]

The A380 is still a very viable aircraft , especially for very long distant routes eg Dubai to Australia. The A350 or the like do not 'cut the mustard' very uncomfortable and not as airworthy.

[@chrisstrobel3439]

Ugly plane but awesome plane, sad to see both it and the 747 gone 🙁

[@Sacto1654]

Personally, I think Airbus may be studying the very idea of offering Emirates the ability to put in new wings and replacing the engines with new engines based on Rolls-Royce's _UltraFan_ technology, one with a thrust of around 78,000 lb. (346.9 kN). If they could secure an order of around 450 engines for Emirates, the project could go ahead, one that could extend the life of the A380 to 2050 at minimum. Such an engine could be a derivative of the engine that will replace the Trent series of engines for future versions of the A350 and even a possible installation on the 777X.

[@johniii8147]

They are not.

[@heidirabenau511]

RR have put the Ultrfan on hold, Airbus is focusing on production ramp up, its not going to happen.

[@Sacto1654]

@@heidirabenau511 For now. But the technology was aimed specifically to replace all the _Trent_ engine models with something that offered at least 15% lower fuel burn. It certainly will become the engine for future A350 variants.

[@chetansakunde347]

I am surprised..why are you repeating the same content with minor modifications..I am really upset..

[@arifaboobacker]

a twin engine A380 neo++ could be the game changer for the A380 program... airport congestion is real, passengers love the A380 even when used for short haul highly congested routes.. I believe there is hope ;)..

[@johniii8147]

No there really isn't Hope. The 380 program is over. It's not coming back. The market for larger aircraft is settling around 777-9 350-1000 sized aircraft. Airlines have gotten very a managing congestion and quite often prefer the constainted capacity to up profits. There has also been a lot of airport capacity added in many large markets.

[@ipattison]

It'd cost a bomb to re-open the line, let alone for a re-engined version to the point it's a non-starter. probably Emirates just going for leverage.

[@johniii8147]

Tim just likes to run his mouth a lot. Everyone knows it's not happening.

[@danharold3087]

I get the feeling this A380 is getting more attention here than at Airbus.

[@Bosko57]

Why would you make a video about a potential airplane that has ZERO chance of entering production? The production lines have been shut down and the 380 was a failure.

[@DinoLommano]

Why can't they put NEO engines on the existing aircraft?

[@johniii8147]

A whole host of reasons. The next gen engines for it don't exist and would have to developed or highly modified. Billions in cost for the the engine maker for a tiny market. No engine provider was interested. On the aircraft itself signiant changes would have to be for airframe itself and an entire certification of the engine and airframe would have to happen. You don't just bolt on a new engine to an existing airframe.

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[@2point7182818284590]

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[@Lexoka]

Perhaps Emirates could just pay for it, possibly in some kind of consortium with Etihad, and maybe Qatar Airways. Or maybe Airbus is secretly working on a very large, but still dual-engine replacement to the A380.

[@the.mystictraveller]

Qatar doesn't want more A380s. Etihad has no money and they don't need any new ones.

[@Lexoka]

@@the.mystictraveller Well, there goes my dream of an A380neo, then! 😞

[@johniii8147]

No they are not working on a replacement. There are actually few "secrets" in the industry. An No airlines themselves can fund an aircraft that would be well into the many billions. Airbus and the engine makers are simply not interested.

[@leeklass3907]

Etihad see the A350 -100 as the replacement

[@luiscarlosquesada1461]

El avión esta por llegar y se llama 777x solución de problemas total.

[@RandomUser25122]

Because their actions killed off the production line, they should pay for the new production line themselves. Like a customer paying for a new mold for a product. They then own that mold/production line and could licence production runs to other airlines once they’ve met their quota. TLDR not gonna happen 😂

[@xfilethe]

oke might this not be a thing to do : so that thing is to big and nobody wants it .... its a pity to throwaway a design....especially since a lot of airports made space for it added new bridges etc etc... so pardon my ignorance but why dont we just shorten it ?? i mean look at the fuselage do we really need that bit from the door at the wing to that door to the cockpit ?? if you just dont install that section , mats that cockpit door to the wing door so the nose starts just after the wing..... this way you cut out a lot of seats on both levels , maybe shorten the wings , so the weight goes down..... therefore i bet you can get away withe 2 engines thus making it more fuel efficient.....and carry les people but more compact.... isnt that what buyers want ??? split it coach downstairs , and business classiness on top , loading withe 2 sky bridges like you did before.... call it the airbus A380xs.... or the orca and yes it takes a lot of work to do this , but it beats designing a whole new plain.... keep the line going....and if someone wants a big (XL) one just build it in the same lineup.... i think it could be made to work and it would save a lot of effort that went into this thing .... it would save airbus i think....

[@atracamoniusvlogs]

A380's to al maktoum international airport

[@heesingsia4634]

Unless the new engines offer at least 20% less burn than the CEO A380's I don't see the NEO happening. Airbus could also consider redesigning the 380 into a Tri-jet (that's technically a 25% less fuel burn right lol)

[@jmWhyMe]

I think that both the manufacturers and the airlines made a huge tactical error abandoning the 74 and the 38. Aside from the romance of these planes is the reality that demand for air travel is outpacing capacity of airlines, airports and air routes. In addition we have a protracted pilot shortage. This these supers serve a very vital purpose in commercial aviation. Nobody is really looking at the big picture here.

[@johniii8147]

The tactical mistake was actually even developing the 380. It lost a 20-25 billion dollars since so little market for it. They are hardly "vital". Tiny tiny percentage of flights out three.

[@jmWhyMe]

@@johniii8147 look at the number of carriers that mothballed their 380s and now have brought them back, because of current demand and the shortfall of pilots. The error wasn't making the 380. It was airlines not anticipating the need for it because of the reasons I have stated.

[@johniii8147]

@@jmWhyMe What your seeing right now is a temporary spike in demand post covid with pent up demand. It's already starting to the die down. You are only seeing a pilot shortage in the US regional market. The return of the 380 is temporary (other than EK that doesn't have choice) to meet short term needs. Even EK still has 35 of theirs grounded. Carriers that have the 380 have to use it again because its taking years to get new replacements.

[@wesellanybiz]

Totally agree

[@Ian.549]

What about the horrific effect aircraft are having with human-induced accelerated climate change. Emissions from aviation are a significant contributor to climate change. Airplanes burn fossil fuel which not only releases CO2 emissions but also has strong warming non-CO2 effects due to nitrogen oxides (NOx), vapour trails and cloud formation triggered by the altitude at which aircraft operate. Surely some extremely hard decisions have to be enforced on the world aircraft industry. Yes even the unthinkable.

[@HotshotWarrior1]

Since Airbus isn’t listening to their customers maybe Boeing should open their ears and re-energize the 747 which will not only give Emirates a replacement for the 380 but also give replacements to the aging 747-400 freighters.

[@johniii8147]

They already have the the replacement with the 777-9 and 777-8F

[@heidirabenau511]

Boeing is making the 747 production line into a 737 MAX FAL, like Airbus has done with the A380 and A320neo. Also when you say "since Airbus isn't listening to their customers" you forget that Boeing didn't listen to their customers who were crying out for a NMA, now they have all gone for the XLR.

[@drewair2023]

I would love that, but Boeing is in an even worse situation than Airbus.

[@HotshotWarrior1]

@@johniii8147 this maybe true with the 777 but it’s limited to side loads only. 747F has nose and side loading plus can carry a higher payloads. 777 was originally designed as passenger where 747F was cargo design for the USAF back in the late 60’s

[@johniii8147]

@@HotshotWarrior1 Very early 60's actually. It was flying by 1964 on what became the 747. The upcoming 777-8F matches the 747-400 payloads with a couple thousand pounds and nose loading is rarely used in operation.

[@bahadurdehar5048]

Airbus should made the A380 as a aeroplane as a carrier of people and goods. Once Airlines demand went down then Airbus could have continued making the A380 as a cargo aeroplane. The if demand changed you then refocus on airlines requirements. Without this being built into the original design it was a golden missed opportunity. Airbus should have learn from beoings jumbo jet success. Always follow your competition but do it better. Those who made this poor decision should also be month balled as well.

[@jeanforichon]

Aircraft manufacturers like Boeing and Airbus can make any type of airplanes. But they are in the business of making money. I doubt they will make any other 380 based on the demand of only one airline. Too risky

[@gpierre90]

Well I guess all aviation enthusiast like myself would love to see an updated A380 with more fuel efficient engines. Its true airlines have shifted to more fuel efficient jets like the A350 and yes the assembly plant for the A380 has been re-purposed for other aircraft, but perhaps Airbus should keep this to consideration, there were a few other airlines like the new Global airlines and once upon a time ITA Airways, if memory serves, maybe Airbus could consider a trial or maybe simply redesign a new Airbus A380 replacement

[@heidirabenau511]

Global Airlines! You believe in that scam? Airbus isn't reviving the A380 and Global Airlines isn't happening!

[@adampoultney8737]

Surely the only realistic way to get an A380NEO would be to have the existing ones re engined. Would be expensive but might be more palatable to Airbus?

[@johniii8147]

No. Wouldn't be worth the cost and not how it really works. You can't just slap a new engine on an existing aircraft without significant changes to the airframe. The engine maker wouldn't be interested either given how low volume the program turned out to be. Not worth all the investments that would be required by either party.

[@graemehunter5403]

Funny when I went hit like it was 747🌍🌍🌍

[@mastersingleton]

The rapid rebound in demand post-COVID is so high that airports with limited slots and high international passenger demand and limited seat capacity; showcases the need and demand for a Airbus A380 Neo to rapidly increase seat capacity to airports with limited slots.

[@briangriffiths1285]

A plane before its time. Surely passenger numbers will start to rise and the old A380 could see use on shorter haul routes in India and China, with maybe the US catching on between just a few major cities. And when that happens there would be a future for an A380 neo for Emirates, Singapore and Qantas? The arguments for frequent flights between cities becomes problematic when there are no slots. Competition at Heathrow for example will continue, will there be another runway, that is a difficult one and likely no. Consequently a quiet large aircraft is the answer. I marvel at the short take off of the A380 and the load, not just passengers but freight that gets put into the hold. And like others here I have flown, over 70 flights with SIA on their A380s. My first flight in November 2007 when a member of the cabin crew said how wonderful and quiet it was. And so it was. Presumably as new materials and engineering techniques started on the A380 and passed on to the A350 etc become more mature there really would be the opportunity to build the air frame lighter and stronger, which together with the new engines could save even more fuel.

[@clontarf500]

25% fuel saving would put the a380 back into profitability for most airlines. It would make sense to develop a NEO and retrofit the global supply.

[@johniii8147]

Neither options make financial sense. Market simply to small for it to justify all those billions in investment it would require. Airbus and RR have both given it a firm NO

[@mikalnaylor]

Have Emirates bear the full costs of the A380NEO, Hell Emirates could build an Airbus plant in Dubai for such a plane. Then we get a new build A380, Airbus maintains its costs as they don't pay for it and they still could sell copies to airlines other than Emirates. win-win for all. :)

[@johniii8147]

That is fantasy talk.

[@matthijshofman9549]

Looking at the market: There is a lack of available slots already, especially in the European Hubs. Additionally, there will be a reduction of losts expected, not more, like the plans for Amsterdam Airport, where a 15% cut can be expected. Added to that, we have a crew problem, where there might be a lack of pilotes to fly the airplanes. With all that, it just doesn make sense that the big airlines keep having a schedule with 5 daily flights across continents with relatively small airplanes. It might make more sense to have that 3 times a day wirh an airliner like the A380. I will be flying to the US again soon from Europe: Most flights are fully booked, there must be enough margin looking at the prices too.

[@l2etranger]

Any previous operator demanding reopening the A380 Program must have US partners willing to have their own A380 planes acquired as they typically would, with normal operations duration at their own costs. I still don’t get why no US carriers ordered any besides the fuel costs excuse when it’s actually one of the most fuel efficient quad engine aircraft ever made, if managed as intended. Airports around the world have committed themselves and accommodated to receive such mammoth, and that’s an infrastructure investment extremely rare from that end. We are also seeing wild fights in jam-packed airplanes, passengers being kicked off for overbooking or planes just flying almost empty, so the fuel argument is kinda moot at this post-pandemic point. I’d be curious to see what comes out of this since it was a done deal as the airframe maker has moved on with other plans.

[@johniii8147]

You apparently don't understand the US airline industry. The big 3 large international carriers in the US each operate multiple hubs across their networks. This distributes traffic across their networks so they simply don't need such a large aircraft. And, the 380 is NOT efficient. Only works on high fare high density markets.

[@l2etranger]

@@johniii8147 got it.

[@NotBob223]

The only airplane uglier that the A380 is the SuperGuppy a bastardized regular airplane with a grotesque protrubance. The A380 is a white elephant that got Airbus totally faked out by Boeing. Boeing made like it was going to make a big update to their venerable B747 and Airbus raced to get the even bigger A380 to market. Meanwhile Boeing was racing to get their game changing B787 out that can fly point to point pretty much to any place on the planet at 20% better efficiency than the B747 and A380 and almost 10% more speed at another 5K feet altitude (flies smoother above the typical weather) and at a lower cabin altitude (5000' instead of the more typical 8000). The cabin is also much less dry as the carbon fibre fuselage of the B787 doesn't need to be bone dry like for traditional airliners like the A380/B747. They also convinced airlines that multiple flights to more destinations was more compelling than shoving 600+ passengers into this ungainly monster that only fits into certain terminal gates. Emirates liked the A380 because they fly everyone into Dubai and then out to other destinations but why fly into Dubhai when you can go point to point at faster speeds with no layover at more convenient times? (you can fly two B787's to a destination cheaper per passenger than one loaded A380 so as an airline you can offer two daily flights rather than just one). No reason to do this other than to give Emirates a break on fuel prices. Since they pump the crap out of the ground themselves, why bother?

[@danieldrayet2364]

The A380 was never going to really be successful because its way too big and it came 10 years too late At a time when 747s were being phased out as passenger planes

[@Ayden2008]

I think an a380neo would be a good reborn for the a380-800

[@Ayden2008]

But I do agree with that one person that said emirates is kinda like a spoiled kid 😂😂😂😂😂

[@grisu_go1205]

unfortunally there willl be NO new A380. Airbus have all fabrication plants destroyed or build other types there. So the reactivation is way to expensive.

[@kenoliver8913]

Airbus probably gave up on the 380 too soon - long term the skies are getting ever more crowded and airport slots ever harder to get. And obviously if they had not given up they would have developed a neo because fuel efficiency, not just size, is the 380's biggest weakness - mostly from going for the "safe" option of using old engines. But they did give up and it would be VERY expensive to start up again. They'd need a new and retooled assembly plant (the old one is devoted to 350 production) and worse would have to reestablish a complete supply chain. It aint gonna happen.