Been preaching this for 20 years and despised by the leadership for it. If we trained for strength we wouldn't have all the back injuries.
@gregorymccoy67975 жыл бұрын
20 year Marine here. Everything you've said is true. The problem is running is easy to do as a unit and requires less effort and administration from the command.
@ToDaMn5 жыл бұрын
They don't feed you enough in basic training for strength training!
@robdixson1964 жыл бұрын
And when they do you don't have time to eat it anyway, but then again on the rare occasions you have both the time and food they take you out and smoke you till you puke right afterward just for spite. Basic training produces starvelings, even if they want to produce runners, which they sort of appear to, a starved runner isn't much better off than a starved strong man
@joedirt861 Жыл бұрын
And when there is food it's processed carbs and sugars. Barely any protein. A typical ft. Benning plate is chili Mac or yakisoba or spaghetti with a side of potatoes or rice and cauliflower.
@ToDaMn Жыл бұрын
@@robdixson196 Good times!
@er33t5 жыл бұрын
I agree, strength training would be 100X better than 4 count jumping jacks or burpees or bear crawls. My problem: Having gone through bootcamp, you would need a VERY, VERY experienced and large strength and conditioning staff. There would be an extremely limited amount of time (at most 90 minutes per day) to teach proper technique and continue correcting the technique to approximately 60-90 kids (many of them have never lifted, much less participated in sports). This is the number of kids in one platoon/division/flight. There are anywhere from 4-6 of said groups that start, train, and graduate together. For the Navy at least, and I’ll assume for Marines and AF as well (not sure about Army they have MANY basic training bases), there is a graduation every single week. So every single week there are 4-6 groups of 60-90 kids coming in (there will be at least 8-13 of said graduation groups (240-540 kids) depending on the branch, so 2000-7000 kids, realistically closer to 4000-7000, in a training base at one time). The S&C staff would literally have to be working in the weight room nonstop every day there is PT. Not to mention: they will need to write programs (okay you can follow a similar progression with each training group). There are just so many people and such little time you would get to work with untrained individuals. It could be done, but you would need to find a large enough staff who is capable of making it happen (at my college a strength staff of 3 was able to push ~60-80 football players through a 60 minute lift with only 5 squat/bench racks and deadlift platforms all while teaching proper technique. But it was crazy how it was done). Auxiliary lifts and warmups were included in that time frame
@adambrown81095 жыл бұрын
Lots of good points here. It sounded like Rip would consider proper technique and minimum weights being a pre-requisit for admittance into bootcamp, then the focus of the drill instructors would be building from that foundation. Just my interpretation. My wife pointed out that there are maximum body weight expectations too. This type of minimum strength expectation would naturally result in heavier recruits. For that reason, this may also have to be re-considered by the military. Rip is certainly taking for granted all the many changes to the established system that would have to be made, but he is looking at how this sort of training would benefit the modern military, not really the practicality or logistics of implementation.
@GregsWorkshopOregon5 жыл бұрын
Look at you being practical.... You’re right; running, jumping, pushups and pullups require substantially less equipment than strength training.
@Altonahk4 жыл бұрын
If some of this was done pre-basic. Many recruiters already have a pt program to get recruits ready for basic before even sending them to MEPS. If the required that all receipts be able to perform the 5 basic lifts (of you can call a chin up a left...) with proper form (sans weight requirements) before sending them to basic, it would help.
@jeremyaaron67255 жыл бұрын
Member of Valens Strength and Conditioning here and current Naval Officer. Couldn't agree more. I'll only speak to my branch, which I think has totally failed its fighting force when it comes to physical training. What is the purpose of being able to run a quick 1.5 mile in a service that by and large is based on a ship? A sailor, whether they are down in the galley preparing meals or on the flight deck loading bombs or slinging chocks and chains, is going to be more effective if they are STRONG vice being able to run a 10 minute 1.5. Yes there are the SEALs but they have their own standards. For the conventional Navy I think if a sailor can maintain a healthy body weight and prove a baseline of strength, that would be much more effective. The question becomes at what point are they required to meet the standard, because no service has a 6 month Basic Training Phase. The Marine Corps has the longest at 12. Now if you said by the end of their specialize training (infantry/aviation/aircraft maintenance/etc) they are required to meet those standards or their held in a physical training unit until they can graduate, that may work. It would require a massive shift in thinking, but we'd be a better force for it.
@kirksurber17835 жыл бұрын
HM2 here. I actually submitted an essay to the USNI essay contest laying out the case to eliminate the curl up in favor of a deadlift. It won't win, but I had to try.
@jeremyaaron67255 жыл бұрын
@Michael Conley In a shipboard environment absolute strength is going to save more lives than aerobic capacity, I dont think you could argue otherwise. Having a good aerobic base is beneficial of course, but I believe it should hold less weight than it does in the current Navy PT system. I joined a SS affiliate gym 6 months ago and I can now deadlift 2x my bodyweight and overhead press over 80% my BW. I know without a shadow of a doubt I am better at my job because of that, and more than running a 6 minute mile could ever make me. On top of that I also have less back pain and experience less fatigue when I'm in the cockpit (helicopter). The Navy is failing to modernize how it executes its fitness program. In WW2 we would lob giant shells 20 miles with a best guess as to where it would land. Today we launch GPS guided Tomahawks hundreds of miles and can put it through a bad guys bedroom window. So how is it our PT system looks pretty much like it did during WW2? I also can bet HM2 would have a lot less of his folks bitching about back pain if Big Navy promoted a strength-based approach.
@paulfroelich10244 жыл бұрын
@@kirksurber1783 Nice.
@joedirt861 Жыл бұрын
As an Army Tanker I agree with you whole heartedly sir. Any combat MOS literally do sit in basic for 6 months. Somehow they expect my ability to run multiple miles at a go multiple times a week to corelate to my ability to sling 62lbs rounds in 2.5 seconds, and to change out 2,500lbs sprockets that require 700ft/lbs of torque on each lugnut, or change out track sections weighing multiple hundreds of pounds.
@jroth2nd5 жыл бұрын
My sister is a marathon runner and triathlete. We trained together once. I ran nine miles at her pace before giving up. Our goal was 13.1 miles. My training, 430 lbs deadlift. After the run I was sore. It was difficult. Another example? I did an obstacle 5k in 38 minutes a few years after that nine mile run. I don't train to run.
@jocaingles84642 жыл бұрын
Have you finally finished your NLP?
@sigarms805 жыл бұрын
The only problem with the baseline requirements that you outlined at the end of your podcast is that the military would consistently fail to meet their enlistment numbers by a large margin if they required 2 x deadlift, 75% press, etc. This problem is much larger than just the military, it is an American society problem.
@jonathanlynn63795 жыл бұрын
The baseline requirements were to get out of basic training.
@LTPottenger3 жыл бұрын
Something like a 300 lbs farmer carry would be better.
@greyscout015 жыл бұрын
True. I was a little guy at 145 going into basic. Came out at 175. After AIT I was 195 muscle. Weight training makes a world of difference.
@basslinger5 жыл бұрын
How many sun-gods, side-straddle-hops, and flutter kicks did I do, for what, FOR WHAT RIP!
@paulfroelich10244 жыл бұрын
The sun gods take the cake for useless bullshit.
@alecideas4 жыл бұрын
Marine corps wants stick thin Marines. Running sub 18 min 3 miles is what’s expected, everything else is secondary
@codyabshire87444 жыл бұрын
I was in the Army for 16 years, and couldn't agree more. I had a guy in my unit that did powerlifting for the Army, and was almost kicked out for not meeting the outdated height/ weight standards. Also, had another guy who couldn't pass weight, but somehow ran like a gazelle with a 6 min mile pace. Invite Representative Dan Crenshaw on your show. He's a former Navy Seal, has pull in D.C., and he's from the great state of TX.
@Conversedoor5 жыл бұрын
This is the crux of the military. I am in the Army and the Army is somewhat addressing this with the change from the APFT to the ACFT, however the standard PT routine is still not based out of strength. Army wants us stronger yet they don't change PT to strength, only body weight. Cardio is still a big factor of the new ACFT so they are still missing the mark here.
@joethesheep46755 жыл бұрын
09:45 - Far as i know there are actual laser weapons mounted on big ships, like aircraftcarriers and destroyers. They are antidrone and probably antimissile so their firepower is relatively low, though.
@RodJohnson865 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the football coach who has his players doing sprints all do long because that's what his coaches did to him. No common sense.
@stevobear46475 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many Marines could do the 152lbs - 9 mile march and not be just completely gutted???
@paulfroelich10244 жыл бұрын
It's unbelievable how little time is put into actual constructive training for it.
@Fourside__5 жыл бұрын
But isnt there a diffrence to squat 450 for 5s to carrying 152 for 9 miles without a break? Seems one is aerobic and one is anerobic. But im really not knowledgeable in that field, can someone explain me the carryover?
@McMeatBag5 жыл бұрын
Rip's disdain for anything not strength training is a meme
@KongLuvs5 жыл бұрын
The stronger you are for your bodyweight, the easier everything else gets. It's well known in sports science. Beyond initial skill improvements, the best way to substantially improve performance in aerobic (or anaerobic) activities is to get stronger for your bodyweight. This even applies to extreme endurance activities like long distance cycling, speed skating, rowing, marathon running, swimming, ...you name it. If you make 1 rep of that activity easier, then all of the reps become easier, improving your overall endurance performance by reducing the demand on the body for each one of those repetitions - even if there are many thousands of repetitions. The only thing that's really debatable is rather or not doing exclusively powerlifting movements is the best way to get stronger for athletic purposes (which is exactly what the military wants). Anyone who has done both powerlifting and strongman training will usually agree that strongman produces more effective overall strength that carries over to more varied activities. The fact that so many NFL training programs, which produces some of the strongest, most athletic, most injury resistant people on earth, contains so many strongman style strength exercises should cause the government to heavily favor that style of training if they're going to implement strength training.
@CFH2985 жыл бұрын
Speaking specifically from an Air Force perspective: Point 1: We are governed by RAND studies. All of the leadership sees these studies as the holy grail and doesn't fray far from it. Point 2: Dr. Neil Baumgarnter, Chief of Exercise Unit. He dictates our PT testing and looks at cardiovascular system, running as a holistic approach to PT. Point 3: Half of the jobs in the Air Force are not physical! Lifting things here and there but nothing like the battlefield airman. Most of what we view as the "military" is special forces, marines or army. I will say this, wholeheartedly, the Air Force will never change and not take out the 1.5-mile run or aerobics. If you so choose to get strong, it will have to be on your own. The Army did move in the right direction with their new PT testing but the run will never, ever, go away. Fitness Standard Video for Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGPFfYasp6immrM Studies: www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR618/RAND_RR618.pdf www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2000/RR2002/RAND_RR2002.pdf www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1789.html www.stripes.com/news/us/air-force-explores-new-fitness-assessment-for-airmen-that-could-be-gender-neutral-1.575845
@conradolmedo73775 жыл бұрын
First time checking this out... one hell of an intro... great seminar in Denver Mr. Rippetoe & team!
@bryanhenley15614 жыл бұрын
I concur with all of this. My only descent is that the Marine Corps is the only branch that recruit training lasts 3 months. Rips model states 6 months. Having been in the Corps, I full heartily agree this method would be beneficial and should be implemented. However, you would have to skew the results to a 3 month diagram versus 6.
@joedirt861 Жыл бұрын
For a few MOS in the Army, such as infantry, Tanker, Cav Scout, they literally stay in boot camp for 6 months
@jackedkangaroo19485 жыл бұрын
id like to see a video on how to make the perfect steak. what rip prefers, grill, pan, seared, over coal caveman style.
@Alejandro-te2nt5 жыл бұрын
he's already prescribed pan seared
@eclipsez0r4 жыл бұрын
Guga foods has covered this
@robdixson1963 жыл бұрын
When a typical combat loadout is 150 pounds or more one would think it might dawn on them that strength might be a better thing to concentrate on than running. but expecting the Pentagon to make sense is like expecting the Pentagon to make sense.
@lazur14 жыл бұрын
Many of the fastest sprints have been run by athletes on steroids. Why? Steroids don't make you faster. They can make you stronger. That's why.
@ryantfinchum5 жыл бұрын
When is Rip going in front of the Armed Services Committee to discuss this?
@stalex8015 жыл бұрын
I always thought situps were a total waste of time. My flight physiologist agrees.
@RandomNamedOne3 жыл бұрын
Bottom line, if you enter any service boot camp with any form of muscle from strength training, be prepared that you will loose your gains. After basic training, if you are lucky you will have access to a descent barbell and some weights / time, at the base gym.
@JeewanthaBandara5 жыл бұрын
Why is it numbered #4. Shouldn't it be the third one? - Cheers Rip
@Fortress3335 жыл бұрын
There was also a Q&A. I think it was labeled episode 3. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@halvarandersen82795 жыл бұрын
For your reference: kzbin.infovideos
@clash448 ай бұрын
Ayara Thai... It is good. I miss living out there solely for that reason
@pookie46605 жыл бұрын
Pshaw!!! The idea that the media would mis-characterize something. Bite your tongue Rip.
@brianfrazier52155 жыл бұрын
Any chance of you meeting CT Fletcher.... While in Cali
@shayne58295 жыл бұрын
I highly admire Rip, but no more than 8hrs of sleep (typically way less than that published number) and none of the military branches feed bootcamp recruits enough to reach this higher level of strength training. Other than those vital fundamentals, I fully agree. Running 3 miles every morning into a short period of jumping jacks, situps and pushups is far too light for 18 to 20 something year olds. Good for a light level of conditioning, but does almost nothing for strength improvement. .. Edited, since I don't seem to remember ever getting more than 5hrs of sleep when I went thru bootcamp 30yrs ago.
@JimStPaul5 жыл бұрын
Something to be considered is the amount of money it would cost to feed all the boots during basic to gain all that mass in 6 months. Another is how much more money it would cost to keep the higher calorie consumption up through the career of these Greek gods. I’m sure the money could be found since we spend it on much sillier things, but just a thought.
@joedirt861 Жыл бұрын
Probably less than VA claims resulting from the broken bodies we make
@jaromirkraus90345 жыл бұрын
Apologies accepted. Just don’t let it happen again.
@evanmccarthy87663 жыл бұрын
Please open a Starting Strength gym in Evansville Indiana.
@mattberg9163 жыл бұрын
Ever seen the federal government do anything well
@phillipa43744 жыл бұрын
Is there any data that exists that in any way indicates trap bar deadlifts lead to more injuries than conventional deadlifts?
@paul_schuette5 жыл бұрын
Excellent topic.
@andychow55095 жыл бұрын
The problem is the male soldier has to carry the females pack. Because that makes them equal.
@HalfassDIY5 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me.
@jasonsanders87975 жыл бұрын
Apology accepted.
@gburns92224 жыл бұрын
The answer is simple. It costs too much lol
@robertlevy46134 жыл бұрын
Waiting to see it Will Morris has commented on this yet
@NimW5 жыл бұрын
Can Rip run 5 miles?
@McMeatBag5 жыл бұрын
Depends on what you mean by "run"
@johnrogers10385 жыл бұрын
Can a typical soldier?
@eclipsez0r4 жыл бұрын
How old are you?
@tashaconant51693 жыл бұрын
And change the ancient weight standards? Military makes sense. I have literally never seen that happen
@GregsWorkshopOregon5 жыл бұрын
Rip says this is #3, but the title says it’s #4....
@89gt3024 жыл бұрын
My thinking, and maybe the military's thinking as well, is that no matter how strong you are a bullet will still kill you. All military's in the world use guns to fight. So what's a more effective way to avoid dying to a bullet? Well, one is maybe being a smaller target. I know a person that doesn't do the three big lifts and only runs is a smaller target than a big strong guy. Also running will allow you to have the endurance to move faster away from a firefight if necessary. Another factor is nutrition, it takes more nutrients to supply a big strong guy. Which is more money. And when you sum it all up the major factor in all these scenarios is money, it costs more money to make big strong humans
@jabberwock145 жыл бұрын
Is a 155 lb Press at a 185 bodyweight a good Press for a novice?
@jeffbryngelson6845 жыл бұрын
More strength=force multiplier.
@djevlhelvete4 жыл бұрын
@really sore knee Interesting way to load the basic excercises, by "ratio" almost. Very cool and simple! Thanks! Where'd you get this idea from?
@eclipsez0r4 жыл бұрын
@really sore knee Nah doesn't work for me. Some I can do easily others I'll never do
@jedi77palmer5 жыл бұрын
What percentage of the population under 21 years of age are 225 lbs? Not that many.
@bishopm44015 жыл бұрын
Childhood obesity is an epidemic, tons of the population under 21 are gonna be over 225 lbs
@jedi77palmer5 жыл бұрын
@@bishopm4401 LOL yeah but that's not really 225 lbs with any kind of strength. As soon as they get to what their correct weight is they won't be at 225 anymore
@bishopm44015 жыл бұрын
WingChun newbie you’ve never seen an obese strong person?
@jedi77palmer5 жыл бұрын
@@bishopm4401 ok that's great I'm not talking about outliers i'm talking about the majority of the population which would be clustered around the average. The average male height of the population is 5'9" so not many people would be even close to 225
@almightybilly4 жыл бұрын
from ZERO to 2×body weight deadlift and 400m in 1'15" in 6 month? thats full of SH*t
@Jesi207 Жыл бұрын
Our understanding in the TERF community is that Caster is male. He has fathered children with his wife. He has a DSD but it is a male DSD.
@bigdaddytrips61975 жыл бұрын
steve shaw says he'll be waiting for you
@bigdaddytrips61975 жыл бұрын
stfu wimp@Michael Conley
@Fortress3335 жыл бұрын
I wonder what food they serve the soldiers nowadays. It was crappy years ago and I'm worried they're starting to have meatless Mondays and soy and more vegan or plant-based madness. Does anybody know?
@Crow-xh3gc5 жыл бұрын
I eat at the DFAC maybe 5 times a year in the Reserves. It's typically a hunk of meat (6-8 oz), with vegetables and a starch. If you want more, they usually have a salad bar. It isn't enough protein if you lift at all, but you can usually supplement that pretty cheap, as they have protein powder basically everywhere (even gas stations).
@dors.sc15 жыл бұрын
instead of spending millions on complicated technology that can break down at any moment how about just lifting weights and eating food?
@dors.sc15 жыл бұрын
@Tero i dont recall too many blacks winning the worlds strongest man
@dors.sc15 жыл бұрын
@Tero black people have always been allowed in strongman but where are they? the point that im making is what you said was dumb, what do you mean "hire black people" are they not allowed to join right now?
@TrussttN015 жыл бұрын
Tero The modern soldiers have to be highly intelligent, of decent character, and willing to work an obscene number of hours per day. Purported physical strength , or being able to dunk a basketball, aren’t the only requirements.
@TrussttN015 жыл бұрын
Tero What planet are you from? The Taliban hasn’t beat the Americans.
@ferreus5 жыл бұрын
Train for Israel
@hippybigshot5 жыл бұрын
No more wars for Israel! Remember the USS Liberty!