Abby's Other Shocking Secret (Confession)

[@cassiebatko3908]

Balanced dog trainer/behaviorist here! Ecollars & shock collars are very different yet people group them into the same class. The mini educator uses muscle stimulation which is the same as a tens unit you may have felt at the chiropractor. The shock collar is intended to hurt your dog to make them stop a behavior through pain. Ecollars are intended to communicate through pressure. Think "bluetooth leash" The ecollar is also SUPER customizable as it goes from 0-100 levels and also includes vibration and tone. ECollars can literally save lives. Great job, Morgan!

[@ehombane]

Hi, just an layman here, I have no knowledge on dog training or shock collars. I just use logic and common sense. And it happened that I was confronted by a dog trainer when I suggested that land properties could be protected by hunting trespassing by being geo marked on an official map, and gps collars on dogs. The collar will give an audio command when approaching an private property, and a trained dog would just stop. If the chase continues, inside the interdicted area the collar will give shocks and this sure will stop the chase. Anyway, it seems logic to me, and functional, but the dog trainer said the shock collar is a hard no, totally unacceptable. I was surprised, and I mentioned that I see electrified fences all over the place and nobody said nothing against them. The guy did not explained why shock collars are bad and electric fences are not. He just kept repeating that I am an ignorant and not know what I am talking about. Of course I am an ignorant, and this is why I was asking him to illuminate me. But he never offered an explanation, he just continued to throw insults at me. So would you be kind to explain to me what is the difference between an fence and a collar? The pain is just pain, no matter what device delivers it. I am missing something? or the truth is that the guy is just an aggressive person unable to manage a normal conversation? Thanks.

[@cassiebatko3908]

@@ehombane Wow! Sorry that happened to you. People can be so rude The fence would be a clear boundary that is set permanently (unless of course you choose to move it) but your dog will have to be taught to respect the boundary. I personally do not like wireless electric fences because if a dog runs through it, they cannot get back in as it will shock them again. An E-Collar or shock collar has a remote which the handler holds and can administer the pressure or shock whenever they feel the dog needs it to extinguish a behavior. The pain associated with an electric fence and the shock collar are comparable. The ecollar CAN cause pain if used at a crazy high level and if used improperly, as all tools can be used improperly. The ecollar uses a muscle stimulant and feels more like a tingle. The ecollar needs to be conditioned to your dog to teach your pup how to "shut off" the pressure. Therefore there is no pain needed. Just a slightly unpleasant tingle and some training. Hope that helps!

[@ehombane]

@@cassiebatko3908 Thanks for the answer. It confirms what I suspected. The guy has no support for his claims. Fences are as bad as collars. I know that some dog owner may abuse the collars, and this is bad. But in my scenario the shock was to be used only as a last resort, if the dog does not obey the stop chase command. So the hunter is solely responsible. If he does not have proper trained dogs, should not go out hunting, risking trespassing and hurting his dogs. And this in a dangerous situation, not in a innocent setting like a dog just being annoying by barking too much.

[@sharonsandrich9659]

A person who is willing to inflict pain on himself to see if it would be painful to his dog is TOP NOTCH in my book!!! Great dog owner you are Morgan!!!!

[@lindamano1118]

Using the e collar was a life saver for our families deaf dalmatian puppy. The vibrate function let's her know to look at us for hand signals. The shock function on low setting has trained her to stay away from areas in the yard with rattle snakes. The breeder would have taken her back but she was a part of the family already and we had to find a way to keep her safe. E collar saved the day.

[@jeno264]

Omg, what a good idea! 💖💖

[@peterjansen4826]

I prefer only positive stimuli but if the dog is deaf and there are rattle snakes then that is a 100% legitimate usage of such a tool. In the case of Morgan I see it as a trade-off between staying locked up 18-sleep (however long a dog sleeps) hours a day and getting yelled at more or getting a slightly uncomfortable stimulus a few times and getting freedom earlier. Anyway, I think that Abby is a wonderful dog: sweet, loving, affectious and playful. Nothing is wrong with her at all, she just has a strong instinct to play with animals which she shouldn't play with.

[@wordswritteninred7171]

BRILLUANT! I had a deaf kitten once. We use to pound on the floor with a broom handle, and she knew to come to us. So happy for you and your pup! What a blessing

[@JessG_20]

This is a perfect example of the importance of taking the individual dog and situation into consideration. Which most people don't do.

[@ManWestSide]

Fact of the matter is this: you consulted a professional Dog Trainer who has taken the time and effort to analyze episodes and guided you to a best fit scenario for Abby. I don't believe you should receive any flack and in fact you showcasing the shock on yourself proves you care and are doing what is best. no complaints or opinions here! Keep it up

[@xhogun8578]

No qualified behaviourist would support an electric collar. The AVMA does not recommend condone the use of them.

[@ManWestSide]

​@@xhogun8578 you're suggesting Morgan hasn't taken time to look at all the options and if you watched the video; he said himself says he didn't like e-collars and dragged his feet the first month. Calling into the question of the Qualification of a behaviorist is rather bizarre because you literally know the same amount of information about the trainer as me. Nothing. Word of advice, instead of regurgitating something you've read online why not look at every dog as a case by case situation instead of ignorantly spewing out that all dogs need to be trained the same way. The temperament and treatment of a dog is on a spectrum. Case in point; Toby doesn't behave like Abby they are vastly different so why wouldn't their training possibly be the same. Why not empathize with Morgan and acknowledge he is trying his best to find a solution that works for him and Abby. Not a solution that works for you.

[@bobbiemooser7417]

@@xhogun8578 he doesn’t shock. He uses the beep tone. Watch the whole video please.

[@TheDriftdog]

@@bobbiemooser7417 you should go watch the video again! Particularly at 12.21!!

[@bobbiemooser7417]

@@TheDriftdog thanks I will do that!

[@ArlenWindgate]

I wanted to recommended the e collar to you a while back ago but I was hesitant for reasons you mentioned in the video. Back when you were going thru your training journey with Abby, I always thought how she reminded me of my dog (mastiff mix).My dog is around the same age I think, same energy and drive, everything. But the big difference is I was his 3rd owner by the time I got him at 5 months. The shelter stated he was abandoned because of jumping and teething but I downplayed it and got him anyway. He was good at obedience like you said Abby in this video. But his biggest issue was he would go nuts at random and start jumping and biting who ever he could come in contact with. I tried everything but nothing work and he was losing his baby teeth(which were damaging already) so I was running out of time before he seriously injured me or a family member. So I need something to knock him out of that state so he could remember his obedience training. I ordered a e collar for this reason and with one application of the collar at the lowest setting was all it took. So I say all of this to say I don't care about the hate I will receive because of it. I would not trade how well adapted he is now (no lease reactivity, no prey drive towards our cats, no reactivity toward strangers, no more resource guarding carrion, no more biting, etc). And neither should you have to give up your progress because someone's opinion.

[@SirXer]

I'm proud of you for doing what is best for your animals. I used to be only positive reinforcement, but upon being in the dog training hobby I came to realize balanced training is best. Every single dog has their own individual learning methods, triggers, and past. Doing what is safest and best for your dog with a professional trainer is best!

[@reneequalls5878]

Honestly with very high drive dogs I’ve found it to be the only thing that works reliably and they learn what that beep means within a couple times and they pretty much never even get shocked after the initial few times. I shocked myself as well lol didn’t feel right to use it on them without having a very clear understanding of how it felt.

[@tmlawson751]

it is basically more like an effective way to snap them out of it when they are in a predatory trance, than a punishment

[@zoe4622]

we use them too! its amazing. we have a black lab who is addicted to food. And if we go to our nearby river a lot of people have bbq's and she will steal all the meat, which got me almost beat up one time, in the end I had to pay them €150 so they could purchase the meat again. It really helps with that since she will immediately run back to us. We definitely tested it on ourself too! you kind of have to if you use something like this in my opinion.

[@BQis4me]

I did the exact same thing. I didn’t feel right shocking my dog without doing it on myself plus I wanted to see how bad the pain was at certain settings. I rescued a dog from a bad situation and he has extremely bad impulse control and has a big fear drive which makes him very aggressive on initial contact with new people. He has bitten people. He did not respond to anything else and they would make me put him down if he bites again so I had to do something to save his life! It worked! After the first couple times of being shocked the vibration and beeping function was good enough.

[@keithandry5610]

I have used on my Golden Retriever. He is at the point that I know longer have to use the shock feature. A couple touches of the beep function once he goes into "bird trance mode" with my ducks and chicks and he responds immediately.

[@laurelcrisafulli847]

We have a 160 acre farm and a border collie mutt and the only way we were able to drive into her that she needs to stick around us/the established safe zones is to use an ecollar. While I tested the electrode on myself at various strengths, she's never actually worn the collar with them on it. The beep is enough to snap her out of whatever she's fixated on 19 times out of 20, and the rest of the time, making it vibrate does the trick. We almost never even put the collar on, but having it as a tool to use in times we expect we may have a challenging day has been a huge game changer. We still haven't broken her of the need to chase deer, but someday we may get there.

[@kuronyaa-san]

I suspect part of the reason Toby has a better temperament towards the birds is that he arrived midwinter when there were less birds. Looking back, the exposure to the geese also taught him not to mess with the birds. Abby came during breeding season and she was basically had all this puppy energy in the middle of a lot of stimuli.

[@AmyRaeChaos]

I thought Abby arrived in February? Am I misremembering?

[@Vallyrah]

Tobi was also much younger when was exposed.

[@ambitionroad]

and the breeder lied about her being exposed to birds as a baby i think that was huge

[@katherinekelly5380]

That is interesting - a puppy or teenage dog meeting a goose is a different proposition than an adult dog meeting a goose !

[@willSugar]

I think letting chicken get harrased is more cruel than a single shock to say stop it. I got one for my dog who also thought chasing chickens was fun. Only actually had to use the shock function once. I also tested the shock function on my leg. It doesn't feel good but its not bad.

[@annajbanana2132]

Probably Abby's first mishap with getting shocked at the fence was in the end a good thing because she knows she does not want that shock. Watching her stay and how calm she was around the birds is very impressive

[@CookieTowerDefence]

I kinda love that Abby has caused all this drama and meanwhile she's just at her farm being trained and eating poop, hahaha.

[@wordswritteninred7171]

Silly humans! Hahaha

[@ladymargaret6186]

Good one🤣🤣

[@joanlynch5271]

She is probably hungry.

[@fonkyman]

@@joanlynch5271 no.. dogs like to eat anything that has a strong smell and alot of dogs simply wont stop eating even if they already had their fill its jus instinct abby looks healthy if you know anything about dogs

[@TheAccidentalViking]

Abby is gleefully ignorant of all the dramas. Meanwhile, she's living her best life and has tricked everyone out of making her be a puppy incubator. Well done, Abby. You've trained your humans well.

[@Shonnasstuff]

100%+ support you on this collar. A little shock to the dog, feels better than punctured skin, crushed bones, and death feels to the birds. Well trained, well behaved dogs are a pleasure to have around, rather than an annoyance. If you can't trust her, to do her job, there is no point in her being there. Great job, accepting what you have to do, to get her where she needs to be.

[@beautyindarkness]

100%.

[@17caratytsquad]

Tshirt idea: make a “camera crew” shirt with all the animals who do the most filming like Abby, Ginny, etc.

[@ThePlayfarer]

I can see them sitting in director's chairs, haha.

[@rebekkahnelson4192]

yess!

[@katietrongogo]

OMG yes please

[@crhend512]

Awesome idea!

[@bmiller1958]

Noice! 😂🤣 That’s a fun idea!

[@Theleaddog]

So glad that you are trying to figure her out!!!!! So awesome! Most farms will not put this work into the dog who is a “problem” for the farm animals. Thanks for not giving up On her.

[@rodisham]

If anyone ever doubted your transparency this video should erase any skepticism. Well done.

[@blackheartxcvii]

First. I wanna say THANK YOU Morgan. You called it the right things, an E Collar and a TOOL. Because tools help you fix problems. You took time and effort to make sure this was the right thing for you and your dog and as a trainer myself I applaud you for making a great choice. Some dogs just need extra guidance yall, it's not a bad thing. Second. Lady Abby looks soo much happier these last couple weeks of videos. Screw what the breeder may say, you found a way to help Abby thrive in her environment! Much love for the GoldShaw Farm

[@PapillonOne]

Abby has been looking happier and just as energized if not more so. You did make a great call and you did it with the guidance from a trainer! No one can criticize you unless they are stupid.

[@sak7785]

@@PapillonOne plenty of stupid people though unfortunately…

[@GTfour01]

@@PapillonOne Yep, that'll get her energized! (Couldn't help it. I'm a big fan of these collars, btw)

[@bribri2925]

Welp, he’s right. I’ve never noticed the collar before, but I did notice the results. And it’s nice to know that she’s not actually being hurt (I did not expect him to put the collar on his own neck; at most, I thought he would’ve put it around his wrist to show us). I know he loves and cares about his animals. I just hope there will be a day that she can graduate from using it. I understand how this can be very controversial as well. I also appreciate you coming forward and telling your audience this. Her breeder is probably stalking this channel, waiting for the next big controversy. If anything, I still support you Morgan!

[@wordswritteninred7171]

When used correctly, they always graduate from using it. Like any training. Once learned, they know what to do. It's no longer training. Just living using the knowledge gained.

[@carolinsturtevant7712]

Lol yep as well as that other dude on KZbin who talks mad ishh about Morgan although he truly doesn't have all his facts straight and literally just sounds like a belligerent clueless guy freaking out about a guy just trying to run a farm across the country and who is actually completely transparent about it. I know I definitely appreciate Morgan's openness and honesty.

[@sallygreimes6585]

I have a standard poodle service partner. When young, under 2 years, she started to pull on the leash. This caused me major pain In my back. I went with a head halter to get her attention. Some called it a muzzle, it is not. Having trained horses, a halter is a directional aid, has been used for millennium. Where the head goes, the body follows. I have damage to my hands and pulling is very painful to me. I was able to get her responding on a light drape in the lead. No need to pull. As Jordan said, it is a training aid, nothing more, nothing less. As she passes her first birthday, she will be able to work with verbal command and need the aid less. She is a big teenage pup and will get to better use her brain. The fact he is using a professional is showing his care and love for Abby. Commend him for seeking help, not being one of the "pita" idiots.

[@Theleaddog]

I always put it on myself first! It’s the only way to know what I am using and how it feels to the recipient.

[@ambitionroad]

it's like having a safety on a gun or insert another analogy you like better. you should always have it just in case something happens, but you never want to have to use it. most dogs who have been trained properly with ecollars don't need the shock on them at all anymore, but that one in a million chance is worth having it on in any situation where danger could occur.

[@johncarter7284]

Be careful about putting the collar on yourself, Allison might decide you need to wear it with her using the controller!

[@jolandafrijlink6103]

LOL

[@Fiona2254]

🤣

[@peaceoutlisar9500]

Lol. I see a video in the making on this subject. 😄

[@marlenep2644]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@debbiemarquis3231]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@wanderingaceminecraftandmo8034]

I originally had issues with collars like that in the past... but I came to realize people who use them properly for the express purpose of training by gentle correction, not for the over the top shocking cartoons show. So I am thankful you are a responsible person with using such devices the way they are intended.

[@lightning7139]

I’ve noticed the ecollar on Abby dog for the past few videos! As a dog trainer who uses the LIMA/balance training approach (least intrusive minimally adversive) it’s a very important tool. Safety is more important then trying to be “purely positive”. The safety of your livestock AND Abby is over anything else.

[@LunaTemari]

that is exactly what the tool is for, its a TRAINING tool.. and from this video it shows that it works.. also good that you tested it first.. being aware of what it does and how to use it is very important. I hope Abby makes more progress she'll be a great farm dog yet when she is older.

[@katnhat7695]

At first I was afraid that you had decided to find her a new home... I'm so glad to hear that you haven't given up. She is still a puppy, so with time and training we are all hoping that she turns out to be a great addition to the farm. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🥰 Warms my heart!

[@Herps1]

He should pin a comment at the top saying "As you see from the video I decided to get rid of Abby, she just isn't right here. Watch how many people respond that didn't watch the video and are just here to troll.

[@susanstepaniak9750]

Exactly! Glad we were wrong🙂

[@michelehumann811]

Morgan ... good for you for doing everything you can to make Abby the best dog she can be. A lot of people would have given up a long time ago .... Kudos to you ... You keep doing YOU!!!!

[@Hunterstiq]

I've used that exact E-Collar on my dog for training and wildlife avoidance (Rattlesnakes, Gila Monsters and other dangerous desert life) and it really is night and day difference. Makes vocal commands absolute law because it could be the difference of life and death if a dog gets stung by a scorpion on the nose. And for anyone wondering what using the collar was like, it was a noise (I used a very short casual whistle) for a series of commands. If ignored, it was the word sit, stay, come, etc and then my certain whistle tone for said command. If that was ignored, press the vibrate button. If that was to was ignored, it would be a hold or quick taps of the vibrate button. If we gotten to the point where we lost control here which only happened the first 3 days of using the collar and one time of chasing a snake into a bush, I'd do the quickest and lowest shock, which immediately stops my dog. Never yelped, mainly just makes him shiver or shake his head and back away. On this low setting that I even tried out on myself, it felt like suddenly pressing my skin against some metal that has been out in the sun all day. Uncomfortable but not what people imagine a cattle prod to feel. It can definitely be abused as such but I would not dismiss it as a 'cruelty device.' Two things I would note however, get those commands in because I'd really consider it a concentration aide. And then watch for 'ticks' or shakes of the head. My dog started doing head shakes with the 'leave it' command, one of the hardest commands it took him to master. So for a long time afterward, he associated 'leave it' for shake head. Not harmful but I felt bad enough to get him checked out. Vet just said he thinks the command will be followed by a vibration on his neck and reacting like how someone would squint if they looked into the sky on sunny day.

[@Chanreescorner]

This is why I like you Morgan. You aren't afraid to ask for help or people reach out to help you. You listen to the advice and try it, learn and so. And that's fine, you're doing it for Abby's sake. And I can clearly tell you care about your animals. your farm and learn from mistakes. That's life after all, and if people gonna nag about that, then they haven't learned anything from their lessons.

[@CannonKnight]

It's pretty fascinating watching the process of Abby going from an adorable pet to a reliable working dog.

[@jama-tex]

And she is still adorable.

[@StoneE4]

​@@robinlillian9471 Agreed... Abby appears to be the textbook example of working dog breeds that are losing the very characteristics that they were originally bred for. Far too many breeders are more concerned with dogs that look pretty in dog shows and conform, to a tee, to the physical breed standards set by kennel clubs rather than breeding for the behavioral characteristics or physical abilities that have allowed these breeds to excel at doing the jobs the were bred to do. Maybe Abby is an anomaly among her littermates, and not a result of poor breeding, but whatever the case may be she clearly doesn't have the characteristic temperament of a Maremma when it comes to interacting with livestock.

[@baskervillebee6097]

Toby IS a Magical Creature.🧚‍♂️🧚‍♀️🧚 Because Abby needs temporary extra training efforts doesn't mean it will be necessary forever. Once she gets with the poultry program, I think she could be as dependable as Magical Toby without extra efforts. Hope the cattle panels are as successful as hoped this winter.

[@krististevens230]

My aussie cattle dog is awesome at herding. She learns so easy but she broke her hip and cant do it anymore

[@PapillonOne]

@@krististevens230 How sad for you both.... ♥

[@katiebrown9894]

Toby is a dog unicorn lol he's such a good boy! ♥️

[@baskervillebee6097]

@@katiebrown9894 🦄

[@krististevens230]

@@katiebrown9894 my goal in life is to meet and cuddle Toby.

[@Fiona2254]

Morgan: you should only move hives at night when the bees are inside so that they don’t get lost when they come back from working to an empty space.

[@michelecaron]

You need me to help you move the bees 🐝 DM me…I’ll drive up and help.

[@TerraCm13]

It was a short enough distance that those bees would have been able to track back to the hive from down the hill. Most bees can go out as far as 5miles for foraging and be able to find their way home via hormone trails and communication with their hive members. It's amazing really.

[@Fiona2254]

@@TerraCm13 I have bees and the only time you move hives that suddenly is when the hive is moved 2 miles. Otherwise the move is 10 feet at a time. And you move the hive at night when all your bees are snug inside after covering the entrance.

[@eloisebush4595]

Good idea.moving them at nite.good tip.

[@michelecaron]

In winter ❄️ (NJ) I use tar paper around hives to protect from wind 💨 breaks and plunging temperatures. Using commercial covers also work nice. Keep the entrance open..but watch out fir mice 🐭 looking for coverage and food. So many tips and hints to learn. You are doing great. Although, we all chuckled a few times watching you. You’re the best 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🌻

[@shannonweldon2418]

E-collar supporter here! I have a great pyr/ maremma mix and we have used one for several years! We had our trainer teach us how to use it correctly and we really only use the “beep” function. We call it his extra ears because lets be honest… guardian breeds don’t listen all to well. When my dog wears his, it makes him think twice about doing something he isn’t supposed to. Keep up the good work!!

[@Jadeskorpion]

We had the same problem with our beagle being super aggressive towards small animals. The only thing that worked was an E collar. We never used the shock function. I started with the beep and she never needed anything further. I am forever grateful to the collar for helping her live with our other pets without getting aggressive with them.

[@TammyJerkChicken]

There’s No Bad Dogs! A channel call upstate canine academy recommends these for dogs who need them. I know it’s just people don’t let them as a principal but I’m glad you tested and researched beforehand

[@The_Woof_Pack]

Love that channel, he is saving so many dog lives!

[@builtontherockhomestead9390]

Love that guy's videos. Learning a lot.

[@clarabattle1995]

I agree! I use one as well and have always been very against the concept until I learned how it works with my dog. She's a great Pyrenees husky mix who had similar behavior issues that abbey has with poultry, but with other dogs, so it's proved extremely useful and helpful.

[@FoolsLuxury]

i follow that channel too! hes so great at dog training and explaining how dog training tools are used :)

[@mogwai_]

Please don't take advice from that channel. They perpetuate harmful misinformation

[@michellejacobcik9946]

Morgan, I know you would never to anything that would intentionally hurt any of your animals so keep training Abby the best way you know how to. She seems happy and does not fear you so you must be doing something right.

[@metsgiantsfan333]

Much respect to you for demonstrating the collar on yourself. You always keep it real, Morgan.

[@micaela6249]

thank you for your transparency and honesty! I’m sure it’s odd “having” to explain everything you do to an online audience, but your good intentions are clear. I think these collars make sense and are humane in the right situations. I’m sure soon she won’t even need the collar because your training will go so much smoother, and she won’t love you any less for it. 💕

[@marycoffman9025]

I’m glad you found something that will help Abby be her best self. Not every method works with every dog and an e collar can be an excellent tool saving both the dog and the birds from potential suffering. Glad you listened to your trainer.

[@radhatereskabuko1093]

Thank you once again Morgan for your openness and honesty. Having raised and trained Siberian Huskies in the past I fully understand the process of making difficult decisions in training. Not much different than your electrical fence to keep your cattle where they need to be. Always amazed at how much you accomplish both physically on the farm and mentally educating yourself.

[@PapillonOne]

YES!

[@MstresVampy]

Well said.. 😇

[@heatherd.9390]

🏆🎉🥇TOP COMMENT!!!🥇🎉🏆

[@bhb12682]

And you can use this tool to keep your dog safe too eg. away from road, farm machinery, amped up large animals or other things. Btw I did the same thing with my dog collars I tested it on myself (although I held it in my hand) to make sure it was ok. You can't please everyone Morgan keep putting your animals and farm ahead of critics.

[@lorrainehinchliffe5371]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@lunied]

"The steer does not have the equipment necessary to do that." Legendary quote 😂

[@mssixty3426]

😆

[@NYShepherdGirl]

Morgan, your ability to stick with an issue or concern, to look into all options, and to try several before going to "the big guns" makes you an excellent trainer and will make your efforts something that you will be able to look back at and see how ALL have grown through your tenacity and sensibleness! Blessings on your efforts and your hard work!

[@LivingWellist]

I’m just really glad to see you’re making so much progress with her. I like how you’re embracing your struggles in life and finding your way through rather than just getting rid of Abby.

[@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople]

I’ve completely changed my mind on things like e collars and prongs etc. seen a number of trainers turn its round the most disobedient difficult dogs in a matter of hours with these devices. Used correctly, they’re brilliant. Congratulations on progress!!

[@monbearpig]

Honestly, months ago I was going to suggest the use of a shock collar but people tend to be overly....sensitive about them. I noticed the collar in that exact video you showed but didn't make comment for the same reason! I am so glad it is working for you and Abby! My boy Biscuit is also very very stubborn and this was our turning point. I have also used it on myself on highest and lowest. They don't have to be a bad thing.

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

I noticed and kept silent as well because I don't think he'd abuse the tool and he'd come out about it eventually. it seems to be working as well.

[@lks572]

The fact you tried the collar on yourself to test it shows your concern for Abby. Thank Goodness you didn't hurt yourself, that woulda been a disaster.

[@kkatellyn]

It’s been killing me not to say it! I didn’t want people to jump down my throat. I raise and train working dogs. An e-collar works so well for long distance recall work and it makes SO much sense to be using it on a farm. The shouting can get so muffled in the wide open and hand signals can be hard to do when holding stuff. It’s clear to see how well it’s working on her!

[@batfurs3001]

Honestly I think most people thought the unit was the little camera thingy, since they look very similar. I realised it was an e-collar after a little while but I have zero problems with them when they're being used correctly so didn't feel the need to comment on it

[@Italonino]

Toby is a creature of duty, the Albert Pujols of guard dogs. Abby is inquisitive and doesn't know how lethal she can be to the fowl. There are times when tough love works best. Keep up the good work.

[@meganmarshall3952]

Even through the chaos of bird feeding, I can see her attention is 99% on you. That’s exactly what you want. Good job abbington!! Sweet girl

[@kristineteall368]

I noticed that too! She’s improved so much!

[@Greezy42]

Every 100th bird better watch out

[@kellwood1404]

That was amazing! Abby just sitting there at gate, looking at you

[@gratitude7397]

Anyone with any common sense can see you have Abby's best interest in mind always....Its great to watch her progress

[@catedoss1556]

I admire you for telling the truth and for finding the best way for Abby to be a member of your family. Animals have personalities, just like humans do. What’s important is training them and loving them.

[@murrygondwana7260]

Big respect to you for testing it on yourself.

[@agatamazurek7418]

I'm actually really surprised in myself, if someone else made that video I'd say it's a bullshit and using a shock collar is nuts. But I really saw change in Abby's behaviour, and seeing you using it on your own body made me see a different side of it. You made my mind from "hell no" to "well maybe it's a good option". Thank you so much for making this video

[@AsteriETERNAL]

I feel the same 👍

[@yvonnetruelove2270]

Same. 👍🏼❤️

[@deadpossum6826]

If I may ask, just out of curiosity, why is it different morgan teaching rather than a reputable balanced dog trainer or handler? Or I guess, did anyone ever explain it? Or did you ever ask/learn on your own? Was it seeing it working in action? I'm curious what makes a difference for someone who may be against tool usage 🤷‍♀️ I think they are wonderful when used correctly, but theres SO MUCH work that goes into learning/practice, alot of times it isn't used correctly

[@kiepyon1]

@@deadpossum6826 you done bitching yet?

[@deborahlehman8617]

I did not realize that some of these shock collars had different amount of current going to them the ones friends have shown me only seem to have one.

[@jimmyblue2009]

I say fair enough, you can clearly see how good abbys training has come now your using it and plus if you tested it on yourself then it's clearly okay. Great video Morgan.

[@ladyicondraco]

Really impressed that you put the collar on yourself to show how it works. Actions like that are why I watch you. (Not the spectacle, the respect for the animals)

[@lutzshawn]

If youve ever used a "tens" unit.. thats exactly what it feels like.

[@thewheelingpath-finder1955]

and that right there is why im ok with how he uses it he's not going to over do it and mess up his dogs brain (IE causing new bad habbits like fear towards the owner)

[@iamdawt]

How great the collar has helped Abby get along with the chickens! We had one for our dog because she was a runner. We tried everything, but she just wouldn't stop, as soon as the front door was opened, she was gone. We live right off of a few very busy streets, and we were so afraid she'd get hit by a car. Good for you for being open to trying new things and even better, that it's working.

[@vickyemma9578]

It’s so clear that you love each and everyone of your animals! The amount of time, love and work you have put in with Abby is amazing! She’s a happy dog she loves you, if the collar was hurting her she wouldn’t be so happy around you. I always feel an obedient dog is a happy dog. Who wants to be told off all the time. You’re doing amazing. Want to train my puppy 🤣.

[@suzanne1116]

I've had a lot of dogs in my life. Most responded perfectly to positive reinforcement. One didnt. I resisted to collar for quite a while and really didnt want to use it but I was so glad I did. Like you I tried it on me first. It was a amazing addition to training. I used it for about 8 months and half of that it was just a collar. Really good decision. Difficult to make for sure but great results,ts.

[@GoldShawFarm]

That is awesome!

[@koyamamoto5933]

At about 16:27, you'll note that the bees have built comb attached to the lid. You might want to put additional frames in so the bees build on that instead.

[@julesoyler4306]

It's YOUR farm, YOUR animals.. it's nice that you explain but period. Everyone should appreciate that... If they don't, well that's their problem. I personally appreciate (as I should) you taking the time to explain. I think you're awesome, have a great day.

[@anngreen3495]

Your patience and kindness with all your birds and beasts leave me believing you only do what is best for them.

[@redheadsrule2785]

I was wondering when you were going to use one of these devices they are helpful. I used a shock collar to train my dogs to stay away from rattlesnakes. This after one of my dogs had gotten bit by one. I went to a professional trainer and it worked!! I lived in an area where rattlesnakes were abundant and yes, depending on the size and health of your dog they can be killed from a bite or badly damaged and hurt. My pup was lucky but it was horrible to watch him go through it. You put more time and training into Toby and Abby it's amazing! Keep up the great work. We know you love your pups.

[@lindsaystevens4062]

It's clear from the previous videos I've watched that you take the wellbeing of your animals very seriously and would never intentionally hurt any of them. It sounds like the shock collar does just enough to get Abby to think before she does something, especially keeping her puppy-ness and high prey drive in mind. I personally think you're doing a good job

[@PinkTigger33]

Heck Morgan, we probably all thought it was a mini camera. I saw it on her, but that is what I thought it was. You have to do what you feel is best for Abby at your farm and if the dog trainer and the special collar are what it takes, then so be it. It's not any different from a parent having to try a different approach with a second or third child, because all parents know each child learns, reacts, and responds differently so you have to tailor your teaching and discipline to that which is best for each one.

[@mewmewkitties3720]

I really appreciate the Ecollar with my husky. She responds really well with it and she actually looks forward to having it put on because it means we're going outside and she will be off leash. She walks incredibly well and safely with the ecollar. Both of us are just way more happy with it.

[@kepherarae9652]

It is so great to see that you care so much about how your animals are treated, that you would try on and wear the dog collars. Much respect to you and what you're trying to do with your farm. ❤

[@peggyriordan9857]

I was happy to hear that you were working with a dog trainer who could teach you how to use these correctly. They are useful tools when used correctly, which so many people don't. You did this the right way. A trainer came and observed Abby and made a professional assessment as to what was needed. You followed the directions and have someone to call if you have questions or need direction. If she is responding to the low voltage that's great. I am hoping the vibrating option is used the most. It's just enough to get her attention but doesn't hurt her. Congratulations on finding a trainer that was thorough and taught you how to train her.

[@Michelle-CraftyWACatLady]

I never thought I would use a shock collar on my dog until we got our Lady dog. The collar made all the difference in the world with her, rarely have we actually shocked her, the vibrate option generally works with her.

[@tatertoodles]

I work at a pet supply store and I swear that the e collar is one of the most misunderstood and misused training devices. It makes me very happy to see someone who's using it wonderfully!

[@carolynh8866]

I have also a Maremma and had to resort to a E collar to keep her within the boundary as she really liked to roam. It's amazing to see such a large dog squeeze through such tiny gaps. It didn't take long for her to be trained....

[@fuzzylop9164]

I knew you were using the "shock" collar. With most dogs I you rarely shock them mostly the vibration or tone is used. I am so glad you had professional advice using it. You are doing what you needed to help Abbie.

[@stoicscaly9144]

The transparency is much appreciated, and you can tell from Abby's demeanor she's not like, afraid when she messes up so you can tell it's not being abused. And when used correctly this is probably more humane than a swat on the rear for her. Especially with the beep and vibrate function making the actual shock a last resort. Hope things go well over winter!

[@PotatoQueen1989]

I thought i saw it but i was like i'm probably wrong, at the end of the day you are doing best by Abby to make her successful, you know your dog better than anyone and you have a qualified trainer in place to help ♥

[@InvadrFae]

The war over Abby is ridiculous 😂

[@Fenthule]

online pet wars is a crazy thing lol

[@darkelysium2187]

with every pet owner, there's gonna be some peeve your pet does that you want to get annoyed at.

[@rangerflintlock1297]

They didn’t make the movie “Best In Show” for nothin’. 😂

[@digidraxe8052]

I'm glad you tested and demonstrated the devices on yourself. No issues. Well done.

[@hilavilla9182]

I had issues at first when my husband bought 1. But it has helped so much. And now 2 of our dogs dont need it. Do what you you need to do.

[@TheGrumblyTumbly]

Thanks for the info on shock collars. I definatily thought they worked the way you originally thought they did. It was also good to see the demonstration too to see how they worked. It certainly gave me a new view point on shock collars and new information to consider about them. I've never really been one way or the other towards them and I've never owned a dog, but it's still good to have that knowledge, imo.

[@ginagruber1732]

I think it's really better to call it an E(lectric) collar instead of shock collar since shocking is viewed so negatively. I watch a dog trainer on YT who uses the e-collar or prong collars when appropriate but also really explains how the e-collar is not harming the dog and how to use it appropriately. It's more of a nudge than a shock.

[@jikoos]

no bad dogs army 😄

[@canuckkat]

Exactly! The trainer even shows that for the average use case scenario, the owners actually can't feel the vibrate because it's so low!

[@ackielhemmings8174]

@@jikoos exact reason i ended up purchasing one for myself :D

[@paddington1670]

@@ackielhemmings8174 i too wear one

[@jaidensjungle2309]

E collars and shock collars are different things.

[@ThatOneSammi]

Fantastic idea using the e-collar. Abby is the best example of a dog who would benefit from the use of that tool. She is so smart, so willing. Couldn't ask for a better owner for her. I was almost thinking this was the video where you would send her away, only for a split second, but I remember that you will not. You've already said you won't, and that she is part of your family. LOVE that you've gotten a trainer for her. That is huge. No wonder we have all seen such a huge improvement in her temperament. She is WAY calmer. Bravo! And good wishes :)

[@scibleimp]

We have an 8 month old great pyr we are training to be a bird guardian, and we use an e-collar, too. The problem with positive-only training for this situation is that playing with the birds IS positive reinforcement for the behavior. Chickens really are the best toys -- flappy, hoppy, squeaky, and quick!

[@yvettesaxon8572]

Hey Morgan, thank you for your recommendation. I have 2 4.5 month old ladies, sisters. And a 10month old boy. I just bought the 2 collar option and just started using it today, just the vibration mode. It is working so well immediately stopping digging up the veggie patch and stopping the wish to play with the chickens and sheep. We’ve been doing all the regular training but when they have it in mind to ignore it is helping to bring attention back to the command given rather than the fun naughty time they’re having. Like digging up my path. Anyway, I’m very excited about how this tool will help our farm (60 acres). Thanks again ❤

[@mlee40738]

Morgan, thank you for this video. I read through many of the comments and can see that many people have gained a better understanding of e-collars and what they are and aren't. If for no other reason, that education makes it a great video. Of course, Karens will Karen, but I think many have learned a lot here. And I'm so glad to see Abby coming around so well!

[@kenjiro2676]

I respect that you put the collar on yourself, going as far as to demonstrate the shock power level of what you are using on Abby dog.

[@kelimyers3433]

Abby is doing very good with her training. You do you. You know what boundaries not to cross.

[@marytapioca]

Morgan, you're a good and responsible pet owner. We tried a barking shock collar on our Sheltie, and it also worked along with a coke-can full of pennies being shaken. Shelties bark at everything. ~Yokohama, Japan

[@argentoacres6042]

My dog is very high drive and I had issues with her leaving my property and chasing nieghbors chickens. She also ran in front of a truck and almost got hit. Once I trained her with the ecollar her recall is now solid and I can call her off of rabbits in mid chase, and she stops at the property line and won't cross. It also saved her life the next time she started running across the street after a small critter and a car was coming. She has so much freedom to run off leash on the farm and she actually gets to run off some of that energy safely. I also tried it on myself and agree with you, its unpleasant but not painful at the levels that work for her. She no longer wears it most of the time. Best thing I could have done for her.

[@rhondam2006]

I got to say I was always against shock collars. But you have totally changed my mind about them. You’re doing a great job with Abby and don’t let anyone tell you different.

[@zierwonraynz8869]

It so honorable to wear the collar and show people that you are willing to take the shock in order to make abby a good dog, wonderful video and absolutely manly when you shocked yourself with the collar

[@Stonebrick]

I’m usually not a big fan of shock collars but I find that you’re using it in a very respectful and responsible way

[@danpennington4464]

I’ve been using one for my golden doodle and it’s been wonderful! It has really brought him under control and a much happier dog!

[@bonnyjeanaustin8801]

I love how you're wearing the collar!🤣 I love that you care enough about Abby to do your due diligence. ❤️

[@stoic_oak]

Boy oh boy is Toby showing interest in Abby. Abby is going to grow out of disobedience through the help of her brilliant owner.

[@frankveck7988]

He practically checks her temperature ;-)

[@JuniperJoy]

@@frankveck7988 she's spayed. She can't have puppies.

[@CornfedLady1]

LOVE IT!!! I could tell Abby Dabby Doo was getting a lot better and fast, but I didn't notice the collar either. I guess I just figured it was a camera or something 😆 Thank you so much for sharing... it's a true success story for her, you, and the farm. Great job doing the right thing... even though it wasn't easy! ✌️😊

[@bormz7191]

Every dog is different. I had a border collie who wanted nothing more than to please me. All it took was a little praise and that dog would learn anything. I then adopted a 1 year old husky and found that it was totally different. He was such a kind, loving dog, and still wanted to please me, but it was definitely much further down his priority list, and some of his bad habits took priority even over some of the most delicious treats and expensive toys I could buy. I got a training collar and he responded almost immediately to it. I didn't even need to use it a week before I only had to use the vibration setting. In less than a month I had trained away his bad habits and didn't even have to use it anymore. You've done nothing wrong, and it's clear from how you've trained Toby, you just understand your dogs and their needs. In teaching, we call this differentiation. To think every student needs to be taught exactly the same way is the hole too many teachers fall into and the same is true for training dogs. Though I would never shock a student =p, you do have to reprimand some on occasion.

[@craftyfarmer04]

Dont feel bad. I have had a few very high strong dogs that it was the only way to train them. Now mu Libby is the best LGD i have! She only needed it for the about 4 months. We have one we are about to start training with one this weekend.

[@christinahardgrove1938]

I have family that have used the black collar for years on their dog, onky had to shock her once or twice in 14 years. I honestly don't know if I'd own a don't without one of those collars. Love them!!

[@nadinekuiper8795]

You explained the e-collar very well, Morgan and look at the results you've achieved. Abby doesn't look traumatised to me, rather happy, confident and obedient.

[@nicked_fenyx]

As a dog trainer myself - particularly one who has worked with extremely high prey drive dogs - I'm a bit torn on this video. While I've never felt the need to resort to e-collars myself (not even when working with one of the most high prey drive dogs I've known and turning her into an uber-reliable service dog), I do know other trainers who I have a lot of respect for who do occasionally use them. After years of thought and discussions on this and similar topics, my conclusion is that e-collars can be okay, but only when used as one of many different tools. Also, the actual shock feature should be used extremely rarely. If someone has a dog that they feel needs to be shocked repeatedly or on an ongoing, months or years long basis, they're doing something wrong. I feel like e-collars, when used humanely, can allow individuals with less time and/or experience to successfully train a dog that's proving to be an unexpected challenge for them (as is the case with Morgan and Abby). Every dog owner needs to know their limit. Not everyone has the ability to train a super challenging dog, just like not everyone has the ability to do advanced math. As someone with dyscalculia, I happen to need a calculator quite frequently to solve problems most people can do in their heads. The same goes for people needing certain tools in order to train a challenging dog - someone in Morgan's shoes might need those tools, whereas someone in mine might not. And that's okay - there's absolutely no shame in that. So while I don't really have an issue with how Morgan appears to be using the e-collar with Abby, I do fear that videos like these may lead to some people getting these collars and over-using them, or using them inappropriately. Research has repeatedly shown that when it comes to dog training, the most consistent, reliable results come from using non-punitive methods. The problem for some people is, those methods require both more skill and, often, much more time commitment and consistency on the human's part to utilize. Not everyone has that skill or that amount of time. Morgan has a farm to run. As long as he uses the shocks sparingly (they're really only needed to teach Abby to listen to the beeps/vibrations instead), I have no issue with him using a tool that will ultimately make both of them much happier. I just hope others do their research, consult reputable dog trainers (if needed), and don't rush out to buy e-collars to magically "fix" their dog's behavior. I'll say it again: positive training produces more reliable results. If Morgan were to remove that collar today and never use it again, Abby would likely return to chasing birds within a few months, if not sooner. It just so happens he's in a situation where he can continue using the collar's beeps/vibrations as needed for the longer term. Tl;dr: E-collars aren't evil, but should generally be a last resort. Imo, they are never an absolute necessity, but are occasionally a helpful alternative. When it comes to the dog's part in things, there are always other ways to correct unwanted behavior. Whether those other methods are realistic or doable on the human's end, however, is another matter. Morgan seems like someone who has put a lot of thought into this, has consulted a professional trainer, and has decided that this is the best option for his situation. I see nothing wrong with how he's utilizing this particular tool. I just hope others put the same amount of effort and research into their own circumstances as Morgan has his, and don't rush out to buy an e-collar, thinking it will be a magic fix-all for their own dog's misadventures. If you want the most reliable results in your dog - results that remain consistent even if you're not around - an e-collar isn't the way to go. Few people are in a situation like Morgan's, so for most of us, other options really are the better choice. But for Morgan, this looks like it will work. Kudos to him for putting so much thought and research into finding the right solution for both him and Abby.

[@bharatsinghbisht8955]

It is cruel whatever the reason.if your dog is not right for you give it for adoption.I wonder how so many people are lauding him for using it.

[@nicked_fenyx]

@@bharatsinghbisht8955 First, how much dog training experience do you have? Because I have decades worth of professional dog training under my belt. Including, as I said, specifically working with high prey drive dogs. Second, do you think adoption isn't hard on a dog? It can be extremely hard on a dog to be taken from its home and placed in a new one. In fact, I would argue that in many cases, a dog would suffer more in that situation than they would from the few *extremely* mild buzzes that it takes to train using an e-collar. Again, I have never personally felt the need to use an e-collar. But I did my research and learned that, when used properly, it doesn't actually hurt, and the "shocks" are usually only needed a few times before the dog learns to respond to the beeps or vibration feature instead. It's nowhere near as inhumane or as painful as people who haven't done their research tend to assume. In the end, for the vast majority of dogs, going through something that hurts *far* less than a bee sting just a few times is less traumatic than being re-homed. I still encourage people to seek out other options first - both because they usually work, and because they produce more reliable results - but not everyone is capable of utilizing advanced dog training methods. If a couple of super mild buzzes can keep a dog in an otherwise happy, healthy home long term, that's better than the trauma that can come from re-homing him/her. You're welcome to disagree, but unless you have both worked with high prey drive dogs yourself *and* tried to teach others to do the same, your opinion doesn't have much substance. Re-homing can be the right choice in some situations, but it very obviously isn't right for Morgan or, most importantly, for Abby.

[@Anna-zi7sx]

@@bharatsinghbisht8955 it’s not. I’ve literally shocked myself with one of them and it’s really not bad at all. It also has a vibrate function that’s very good for deaf dogs for example to signal stuff for them. Using a shock collar should never be the first training venture, nor the second and so forth. But the issue oftentimes isn’t the collar itself, that’s just a tool, but how cruel or inexperienced owners use it. If you do it right you won’t have to use the collar more than a few times.

[@bharatsinghbisht8955]

@RandomDragon just google it.There are many methods and nowhere do they say use a collar.Every dog has a prey instinct.Why was time not spent on her training and then the blame is put on the dog for staying true to its natural instinct.

[@bharatsinghbisht8955]

@@Anna-zi7sx With cases of animal cruelty on the rise why do they have these settings.Animal rights groups need to take it up.It’s for people with no time or patience.

[@mommabird2813]

As an e-collar owner, make sure you clean your collar otherwise ABBY will have and or get sores on her neck. We’ve been able to have our pup off leash with the use of our e-collar. It’s just an extension of us. It’s merely a tool.

[@The_Woof_Pack]

Also shift to the other side of the neck periodically helps. There's also hypoallergenic tips for dogs with allergies.

[@MolBx]

Merely a tool but will leave her with sores? Disgusting, honestly.

[@mlee40738]

@@MolBx Did you read what he said? It can cause sores IF YOU DONT KEEP IT CLEAN. Much like many things - collars, harnesses, clothing...

[@Ambzie666]

Key part is 'if you don't clean it' lol

[@gcollz_]

@@MolBx collars cause sores if misused too... what’s your point?

[@kjkaitie5502]

My grandpa used to work with dogs his whole life.it’s not always a bad thing you don’t do it to hurt the dog. Every dog learns different just like everyone learns different. I don’t think you’re making a bad decision! Keep up the good work!

[@wendyr3d363]

I am so glad you found something that works with Abby. We have used the e collar on one of our very stubborn dogs. It works if used for the right reasons. 😀

[@amymarie6724]

Balanced training is best for high energy/drive dogs. I tried the collar on myself before I ever put it on my dog and he eventually didn't need it anymore. If people are willing to use electric net or fence for other animals, this is no different. Good for you for using tools that work for you and Abby.

[@katrinhalookca]

The good news is what you do on your farm is your business, you don't owe anyone an explanation for anything. Having said that, thank you for sharing your trials and errors, knowledge, and strategies with us. I've been taking notes since your 1st video! Your long term goals have inspired me in my personal life to think big and break it down to bite sized pieces. I respect all you share with us, and that you are an amazing story teller. Anyone who thinks they have the right to an opinion about what you do needs to back off and mind their own business.

[@chanceglantz2740]

This.

[@luzsolis6893]

1,000%

[@kristineteall368]

Today agree!

[@just.14]

"Anyone who thinks they have the right to an opinion about what you do needs to back off and mind their own busines" So are you stating your opinion and telling people that are commenting what they should or shouldn't do then?

[@deebri0]

Thank you Morgan for taking the time to explain all of this in depth. I hope people actually listen to what you have to say, rather than hearing “shock collar” and immediately wanting to burn you at the stake. I believe that you are doing the very best you can for your animals, and go far above and beyond what many farmers do in their animal husbandry practices. Yes, there will be haters, some people who literally LOOK for reasons to criticize, because that’s the kind of people they are. I hope you will be able to filter through all the comments, consider the helpful feedback, and let the sad, hateful comments roll off you (like water off a duck’s back, as they say, lol.) Blessings!

[@crye4me855]

I had noticed the collar a few videos back but thought it was a bark control collar. I have used them before to control barking and tried them the same way to make sure they didn't hurt my dogs. Good for you for doing your due diligence on researching your collars and I'm glad its working.

[@Guiltttrippp]

The sport dog collar I use has a vibration feature too that works super well.