Never-before-seen video from the 'Rust' movie set raises questions about Alec Baldwin's conduct

[@sandyburton6202]

This still doesn't explain why in the world there were ever live rounds there.

[@squatch545]

Exactly. How did a live round ever make its way onto the set?

[@tonystevenson26]

​@squatch545 someone wanted something like this to happen ?

[@ronald3836]

@@andrewchristie2970 And the armorer thought it was a good idea to provide the guns and live rounds for that? Not exactly her job.

[@michaelwilson9557]

The shooting incident didn't happen at the same day or place where the video shows him rushing her. One thing has nothing to do with the other, unless her defense is thst she was uoset about the high stress work environment, and loaded Iive rounds as a form of retaliation.

[@sandyburton6202]

I personally think the entire incident was a set up by people who didn't like Baldwin for making fun as Teump on SNL. He's that petty. I certainly hope someone is investigating that possibility.

[@somuchfortalent]

The issue isn't being rushed. The issue is she had live ammunition on set.

[@stratfordbaby]

You haven't been paying attention to the case. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS.

[@hakeaooda1549]

@@stratfordbaby but there was zero control over the live rounds.. just mixed in a bag? is she stupid, she is playing russian roulette

[@Kedwards-xf2sw]

​@@stratfordbaby issue still stands. should not have had live ammunition on set.

[@roboticunclephil]

He is ABSOLUTELY 100% GUILTY of involuntary manslaughter. His actions cut & dry meet the definition. And he needs to see prison time for it.

[@phlogistanjones2722]

ALL. GUNS. ARE. LOADED. How the live ammo got on the set is indeed important but NO GUN EVER SHOULD BE AIMED AT A THING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO DESTROY. No excuse. EVER.

[@ApolloCalrissian]

IDGAF ABOUT BALDWIN “RUSHING” EXPLAIN THE DAMN BULLETS!! WHY WAS REAL AMMUNITION BROUGHT ON SET???

[@Amtcboy]

Coz they were target shooting the day before obviously with live rounds.

[@cassidystarchild7907]

Allegedly, some cast members had been smoking weed and were shooting live rounds at tin cans between takes.

[@silvercomet5330]

⁠@@cassidystarchild7907 which is why I don’t understand how this is his fault.

[@STdoubleDs]

@@silvercomet5330 Because he’s the producer and it’s the producers job to maintain safety on the set 🤪 duhhhhhh

[@silvercomet5330]

@@STdoubleDs I’m sure as a producer, you hire professionals to make your film happen. Clearly the people who were hired were not to bright or professional at their jobs.

[@weirdshibainu]

Compare this to how many rounds are fired on any John Wick set, without a single incident. Pure incompetence

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Just a John Wick movie? How about 100's and 100's of movies? It's a very horrible thing but, the armorer was negligent in her duties. Not the director, not the actors. They all counted on the armorer to perform the job they were hired and licensed for.

[@Drelam]

Those John Wick movies actually use digital muzzle flashes out of guns with solid plugs in barrel, many modern movies do that these days, since blank rounds can still be deadly around the muzzle.

[@mrquirky3626]

The Wick movies don't use blanks. Director Chad Stahelski worked on The Crow when Brandon Lee was killed on set by a prop gun, Stahelski was Lee's body double for finishing the remaining scenes after Lee's death, so he knows first hand the dangers of firearms on set. The Wick movies use non-firing guns with muzzle flashes and bullet blood spray added in afterwards with digital effects. It's just sad that 30 years after Lee's death, this tragic stuff is still happening despite the improvements in tech to make these scenes safer to create.

[@leinonibishop9480]

@@Drelam another difference is Keanu is highly trained with actual firearms and knows how to handle them safely. unlike baldwin, who claims to be antigun and doesn't have any knowledge of them outside of a movie set.

[@ytsn_THE_OG]

Baldwin shouldn't be pointing guns at people, period.

[@ericeandco]

Rushing the armorer doesn’t turn a fake round into a live round. How did the live rounds get into the gun?

[@JBliehall]

THAT is the question, not whether he pulled the trigger or not.

[@DaveSimkus]

Right! Alec rushing has nothing to do with it. That's just an actor in the zone who wants to retake quickly while he's feeling it. A live round would still have been loaded if they went slower.

[@stratfordbaby]

You haven't been paying attention to the case. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS.

[@AzguardMike]

easy, the nepo baby got the job because her Daddy was a Prop Master. She obviously was soo inexperienced that she slipped a live round in after they were dicking around, costing the life of another woman. Will she face any punishment? Ha ha will she heck! She has a vagina.

[@Spectator1959]

How the live rounds got on set is important, but that is NOT the only issue. The actors and crew were not following safety procedures that would have picked up the fact that live rounds had been inadvertently (?) introduced or prevented a live round from hitting an actor (by not pointing directly at an human). In the few cases where an the scene absolutely requires the gun be pointed at a human, the armorer, assistant director (who is in charge of safety) and the actor are to follow specific procedures to ensure nothing goes wrong. Baldwin, as the director, rushing people to get the arms reloaded can certainly be a factor in people skipping safety steps, including his own requirements as the actor using the gun.

[@roachtoasties]

My question is how did real bullets get mixed in with the blanks? Did any actor really expect the guns to be loaded with real bullets? The armorer needs to explain all this.

[@tcrypt25519]

Yes, all guns are to be treated as loaded 100% of the time.

[@ApolloCalrissian]

@@tcrypt25519ok but WHY REAL BULLETS?????

[@tcrypt25519]

@@ApolloCalrissian that's what he should have asked where he inspected the firearm, but instead he murdered someone.

[@roym4457]

@@ApolloCalrissian Apparently they were shooting live rounds for fun on the set.

[@crabbcake]

he prob but the real bullets in because he's an idiot

[@vandal.savage1500]

It doesnt matter that he was rushing her, there should have never been real bullets anywhere near set. She has plenty of time before the scenes to check her fake rounds. She 100% failed at her job.

[@elmosweed4985]

Agree 100%

[@thomascrum185]

Why would there ever be a need to have live rounds on set? It is never!

[@imnirvana9982]

It shows the set was chaotic and unprofessional and Alec Baldwin, who was also one of the executive producers, was in charge and bullying everyone on set, including an inexperienced armor. It shows the production company didn’t care about safety. Probably hired her because she was cheap. Put all those things together, a clueless armor unsafely handling firearms, not checking the ammo, and the star of the film and producer barking out orders all contributed. So I can see why the prosecutor wanted to show the chaos of that set.

[@JoeJokes-l8j]

You're a bad person

[@elmosweed4985]

@@JoeJokes-l8j If you are hired for a job to make sure live bullets do not end up in a movie set gun and they do. You 100% failed at your job

[@makeroftoys]

Accidents are rarely the result of one thing. Hannah was incompetent And reckless. Baldwin was pushing for speed over safety. Hall Was unfamiliar with guns. And most clearly, somebody brought live ammunition onto a movie set.

[@bunnieswithguns1297]

Agreed, many factors could have prevented this.

[@STho205]

The prop master also emptied and thew away rounds she had earlier loaded into two actors revolvers. That was done after the shooting and before deputies arrived. She also took guns, belts and the armorer's "personal bag" off the cart before police arrived, but put some or all of it back (maybe)...and went through the prop truck after they left.

[@aes0p895]

@@STho205 If that's true, it's damning. I guess that's where the tampering w/ evidence charge comes from. And if there's any testimony that Baldwin is involved, on top of this footage, it's not going to go well for him. Honestly I thought these charges felt a little over the top until just today.

[@Lommy9999]

Alec Baldwin was also the producer. He is responsible for the out of control behavior on that set. Some employees left and an email complaining the conditions were unsafe and irresponsible.

[@MrLuffy9131]

Yeah I think it's like all the stupid things led to this like it's the same kind of thing if you hired clowns to run a factory.

[@stillkeepin1]

Has ZERO to do with the armorer's criminal negligence that resulted in a death. Classic deflection. Give her the maximum plus 5 years for her audacity.

[@helenazalom4301]

I think sometimes timid, less experienced people are hired because they can be bossed around. I think they wanted a person like Hannah because of that reason. It’s like anywhere, nobody thinks anything is going to go bad. They get complacent and are more worried about finance.

[@daliannymariposa]

That part.

[@jcoop552000]

Why in the living hell were there any live rounds on set???

[@gregorylyon1004]

We don't know or case solved

[@KingLouis420th]

They were shooting for fun with real bullets the day before

[@jason200912]

The crew were also known for smuggling ammo on set

[@Wayzor_]

This is the question we're all asking.

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. You are all IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@markalan9104]

"The revolver he was holding fired a live round." Incredible.

[@EllieAussie..]

"Guns kill people"

[@DeadCat-42]

The city was destroyed, how? Well the actor cut the green wire instead of the blue one, he was color blind. Wouldn't have mattered but the prop guy used a real atomic bomb he brought from his home in North Korea.

[@user-wj7mc2nj6n]

The fire arm was a fully functioning revolver, poor safety protocols and procedures on behalf of the armored and others. We're directly responsible for the tragic loss of an innocent person being killed and another severely wounded...can't Believe they did not know what a live round looked like...there are guilty of there action...

[@markalan9104]

@DeadCat-42 Ya the actor cut the green wire. Just like Baldwin pulled the trigger. Guns don't shoot by themselves.

[@markalan9104]

@user-wj7mc2nj6n Ya the armorer had no business being there. She should suffer the consequences as well as whoever hired her.

[@kingwinner]

Rushing is only a problem if there are REAL bullets mixed in with the blanks which is absolutely insane. No actor, director, or crew member would we doing anything if they thought that a real bullet was a possibility.

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. You are all IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@anthonydavis9382]

not when weapons are involved.

[@phlogistanjones2722]

ALL. GUNS. ARE. LOADED. You hold the gun? YOU are responsible. End of line.

[@edgeworldpictures6831]

Rushing is always an issue with guns, live or not.

[@Digger-Nick]

​@@phlogistanjones2722 If your word was law no actor would ever participate in a movie with guns then... Use your brain

[@squatch545]

The real question is: how did a live round ever get on set?

[@roebuckpayne]

On set and INSIDE THE ARMORERS PHANNY PACK

[@jammin2575]

They were using live rounds during downtime for target practice, an incredibly stupid and unprofessional practice. The armorer was known to be unprofessional on previous sets but nepotism got her the job and cost a life. Now it comes down to who’s to blame, there had apparently other incidents of dangerous malpractice on set in the days before this, that had caused several people to quit.

[@michaelwallden7261]

the real reason is that Baldwin didnt do his job , checking his pistol, heis lying

[@squatch545]

@@michaelwallden7261 It's not up to Baldwin to check his pistol, it's up to the armorer.

[@squatch545]

@@jammin2575 No they weren't. That's an unsubstantiated rumor. The Sherriff's office interviewed everyone involved and asked them if there were any live rounds fired for target practice, and they all said 'no'.

[@lukek8357]

I've never worked on a set with guns but I have as a Pyrotechnician and we have strict rules and turnaround times. We may plan to shoot a scene 2 or 3 times but you can be talking 30+ minutes between takes because we have to clear the range, reset and check each other's work before we can go a second time. We will not be rushing and if it takes twice as long then it takes twice as long because at the end of the day we're working with explosives and people in close proximity often with cameras limiting their feild to view.

[@MrLuffy9131]

Exactly if they were rushing and cutting corners then you can imagine what kind of people they hired and why the crew supposedly walked off. and people don't just hire a homeless man off the street and then when he burns down a factory then only he gets the blame

[@patrickthomas8890]

I feel as a producer, he had a “time is money” attitude at the expense of safety. I’d bet he wanted to make it as quickly and therefore cheap as possible

[@lukek8357]

@@patrickthomas8890 yeah but if it's my licence, my companies insurance and my life on the line we're doing it my way. The only way it's happening is in accordance with the Permits, State Laws and Safety Management System for this display.

[@lukek8357]

@@MrLuffy9131 exactly! Here in Australia we spend years getting licenses and qualifications to be allowed to do this work. I'm not risking my life and career for a few minutes of crew time. The other reality is that there are very few people who have the qualifications and skills to do these kinds of things which is also a consideration. You should only be employing people and companies with a proven history of being able to do these jobs safely without issues.

[@mxslick50]

If only the pyro crew had stood up to John Landis.... problem is, Hollywood has a sad tradition of not learning from past mistakes.

[@dennissirman6584]

Of all the cowboy or war movies with wholesale gun action, this is a rare occasion of an accident/negligence. Imagine the beach scene in "Saving Private Ryan." The key is live rounds on the set. That is a "NEVER." The fact that they were target shooting the days before is serious.

[@andysmith1996]

Has that target shooting story been confirmed?

[@jakestroll6518]

@@andysmith1996 It hasn’t been raised in trial. And her team is in fact positing a different theory on how live bullets got there. They’re claiming it was a supplier error. And that she missed it because she was overworked which is idiotic because all she needed to do was look at the end of each bullet as she loaded.

[@hilberryable]

Not applicable as she has probably been shooting guns her whole life. Nothing out of the ordinary for someone who grew up in that environment. If it was in her personal time, outside of filming time, surely it cannot be held against her.

[@hilberryable]

I would rather have her shooting a gun than Alec shooting. Imagine him waving a real loaded gun around.

[@ElPolloPolloPollo]

@@hilberryable it can be held against her when considering the storage of guns and ammunition for different purposes.

[@MieXuL]

On another video, they already said even if they werent real bullets, shooting directly at someone within 7 yard with a blank can still be deadly. You are never supposed to shoot at the camera unless there is a bullet proof barrier between the shooter and the camera.

[@thedesertrat_9514]

I believe for this scene, the rounds were supposed to be dummies (no powder charge). Hence why the AD said “cold gun” which means on film that the weapon cannot fire as the result of gunpowder or other explosive material.

[@JBliehall]

@@thedesertrat_9514 True. Here's the response from SAG-AFTRA regarding the incident: Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@robr177]

He wasn't shooting "at the camera." He was practising drawing the gun when it went off. It just happened that the director was setting up the next scene when she was looking through the camera, and the draw was in that direction. They weren't ready to film yet.

[@AzguardMike]

and the nepo-baby had no experience. She only got the job because her Daddy was a Prop Master. Will she face charges for slipping a live bullet into the gun? Haha no! She has a vagina.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@robr177Clarification: Halyna Hutchins was the DOP (director of photography, AKA cinematographer) not the film’s director.

[@antonea808]

I recall that there was reports many employees walked off the set because of systemic issues before this happened. I think theres some blame to lay for the leadership not taking that seriously and addressing issues.

[@Lommy9999]

I agree completely

[@cachelesssociety5187]

Not only that but (according to one of them in a comment online), when they walked off the job they took camera equipment with them INCLUDING the plexiglass safety shield that was meant to protect the camera crew and cinematographer - Possibly Baldwin knew that they were short that necessary safety equipment (how could he be unaware of it) and in his habitually rash manner insisted that they not wait for acquisition of a new plexiglass safety shield. Instead of being sorry for the unsafe conditions, I couldn't help noticing that Baldwin changed his story about who handed him the weapon, only admitting it was Halls after he found out that the police knew otherwise. It seems to me he may have been trying to hide his shared culpability in having changed the normal safety procedures by keeping the armorer outside of the church. I'm glad the prosecution scheduled this before charging Baldwin, the timing is correct.

[@simonaldridge4099]

​@@cachelesssociety5187none of what you said explains why there was live ammunition.

[@robr177]

That happens all the time on many, many sets. When my brother worked as a grip in Vancouver, he saw this a lot. None of it amounted to anything. Plus, it doesn't excuse putting real bullets in a prop gun, or handing an actor the wrong gun.

[@juliemead7366]

Exactly 💯. Everyone keeps forgetting about that!

[@stephanielangel8851]

I could imagine the armorer thinking how do i tell Baldwin what to do.??????

[@juniorg5547]

2:15 give this dude an Oscar for his performance

[@NemeanLion-]

It doesn’t matter how much he rushed her, why did she have a live bullet mixed up with blanks?

[@BrandenH-O051]

​@comedybytescast why is baldwin allowing his "props" to be taken and fired since hes so anti-gun. Why does he feel the need to even have real guns on set that even have a chamber?

[@NemeanLion-]

@@BrandenH-O051 because that’s what the film industry uses

[@BrandenH-O051]

@@NemeanLion- no. No they dont. Many many movies have been made fun of because the editors are having shells eject through the gun. I kinda understand wanting realism, but theres no need for that in a fictional movie.

[@NemeanLion-]

@@BrandenH-O051 Yes, yes they do. Do your research next time. There’s a headline article about that subject from every well-known newspaper since that event.

[@BrandenH-O051]

@NemeanLion- since which event? Baldwin? Brandon Lee? Literally, the first article mentioning Baldwin says" many types, including rubber replicas are on sets"

[@crookeddonald4761]

I love how the armorer dyed her hair back to one color for the trial so as to seem more conservative and not so unstable or unwell lol.

[@DJTLaRoss]

I can't imagine Sylevestor Stallone accidentally mowing down 100 people with a machine gun because he told people to hurry while filming Rambo. The speed of filming wasn't the problem. It was having live ammunition on the set that was the problem. Makes no sense why there would even be the possibility of a mix up of live rounds and blanks in the first place when live rounds shouldn't ever be present on the set to begin with.

[@JBliehall]

True. A "dummy" round has a fired, indented primer painted black, a real bullet, a hole in the side of the casing and is filled with small BB's so you can shake the round and know it is a dummy. "Blank" rounds have a definite crimp where the bullet should be. Live rounds are evident because the primer is not indented. She as an armorer is required to "assess and "shake" each round as she loads them into the gun. It takes < 2 seconds to check each round as you load it. Obviously she didn't and the AD took her word for it when he stated "cold gun" and it was handed to AB by the armorer.

[@tetrabromobisphenol]

Everyone seems to be missing the larger point here: whether or not Baldwin was rushing the armorer, it was quite clear that she was not even remotely competent to do her job and that would have been obvious to any functional adult. Baldwin was not just an actor on set, he was the executive producer and it was his responsibility to make sure he hired someone who could keep everyone safe. He not only failed to do that, he tolerated the incompetence day after day when he should have fired her and hired someone else. It is ridiculous to pass the buck onto this inexperienced kid. It's plain as day to me that she was hired precisely because she was someone Baldwin could push around.

[@monicasilvs4084]

Very well said.

[@TheCrystalShield]

Absolutely this.

[@TheGokmovies]

On the set of the classic Western television series “Bonanza,” there were no reported fatalities. The show, which aired from 1959 to 1973, 14 years and 431 episodes. Only occasional accidents , No Deaths

[@billybobbocephus2177]

That was a time when professionals were professionals and not the entitled "I know it all" social media brats we have today.

[@TheGokmovies]

@@billybobbocephus2177👍

[@ricomajestic]

@@billybobbocephus2177 Little Joe was given a squirt gun!

[@Anewday1979]

Which makes me feel strongly to some extent that this was planned. Not on Alec’s behalf. But on the armor’s behalf. I don’t know anything but facts. But something is wrong with this picture. And I strongly feel that it wasn’t an accident. But rather an act of manipulation that resulted in the death. Thoughts?

[@phattjohnson]

@@Anewday1979 I think everyone's feelings are different because we all relate to the story differently. We need a logical process to get to the truth. That's why there's a court case.

[@avathetwizzy]

During the courtroom livestream one of the witness testimonies explains that in theatre/film it is production/armorer’s job to purchase props such as bullets. They described the fake bullets found on set as many different kinds, random and inconsistent with each other. Meaning whoever purchased this hodgepodge of bullets is responsible. Then again, as the armorer, you are supposed to triple check everything meaning how would you let a live round get on set accidentally?

[@rafaelmadrigal1999]

Alec did not reload the live round. Who did? Is the question to find the answer.

[@BallardBaller]

Who brought the live rounds to the set is the better one

[@dnfl-7168]

Did we even figure out who really framed roger rabbit?

[@jimmanis6717]

He is responsible to check the weapon before accepting it. He knows that rule having been in multiple movies with guns. He holds the liability period.

[@jason200912]

@jimmanis6717 The expert armorer that testified said Alec isn't supposed to check it because it creates an unknown for armorers and a window for an actor to load ammo into the gun. The armorer says he only allows it if he's watching closely, and to be on the safe side the armorer might even have to clear it a second time because of the actor fiddling with the gun and doing self checks

[@That-Will-Do-It]

Alec pulled the trigger

[@mvl9591]

It’s a job, it’s a work place. No one brings live ammunition to work. The armorer never should have allowed live ammunition on the set.

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. You are all IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@phattjohnson]

People that work at a shooting range bring live ammunition to work.. as do farmers. Look at your avatar pic.. you think there's no live rounds nearby?

[@mvl9591]

@@phattjohnson That farmer has a long barreled rifle with a scope and he can pick off a woodchuck at 150 feet, no problem. And he never accidentally shot anyone or any of his cows.

[@steven13929]

The fact he continues to say he never even pulled the trigger means you can't trust anything else he says.

[@edwardroche2480]

The armor should never have had a live round mixed in with the blanks.

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. You are all IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@AzguardMike]

well she was an inexperienced nepo-baby.

[@xAlphaSpiderx]

People that are truly gun educated would never let this happen.

[@DM-kl4em]

She has purple hair with highlights in it. Something tells me she doesn't have much previous experience with guns.

[@0_44_4]

No one's mentioning that bullet could have been placed in anyone else's pistol and Baldwin himself could've been shot

[@justaghoulintheworld]

They found a handful of live rounds in addition to the lethal bullet on the set.

[@percyfaith11]

Nobody else was aiming at another person and pulling the trigger.

[@0_44_4]

@@percyfaith11 it wasn't the only gun on the set

[@percyfaith11]

@@0_44_4 Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[@jakestroll6518]

@@percyfaith11 Because no other actors role required such a scene. If this is the angle of argument then it’s also the dead woman’s fault because she as cinematographer TOLD him to point the gun at her so it would look like he was pointing at a character behind the camera.

[@hera7884]

Even if he was telling them to hurry up it doesn’t excuse how a real bullet got into the fakes. Alec didn’t know it was a live round, you can’t be mad at him for something that was out of his control. All he did was shoot the prop as an actor, he didn’t even touch the bullet with his hand.

[@jackmehoff9616]

He was in charge of the set because he is the one making the movie. He also hired the woman as the armorer knowing she already had complaints on other sets because she is cheep and non-union. I can see manslaughter.

[@frankmorris4790]

IT WAS IN HIS CONTROL!! He was a producer. AND the gun was in his hand.

[@candisham1978]

Smh. Who the hell cares? The gun was supposed to be full of blanks and not harmful to anyone, so what does it matter? To his knowledge, he was shooting blanks. Him being a producer does not mean he was there to babysit every single thing team members were doing at all times. He was busy acting in the film, in case you didn’t notice that. I guarantee that Baldwin, and almost all others on set, cannot tell the difference between a blank and a live round. That was the entire point of the armorer’s job.

[@frankmorris4790]

You must not know much either, actors have been killed with blanks...@@candisham1978

[@jackmehoff9616]

@@candisham1978 Yes but the armorer he hired came cheep because she is non-union and already had complaints for being unsafe. I think he has some accountability. I would be with you if he did his due diligence but he clearly was cutting corners.

[@tonytorres1624]

Why media tried to blame everything in Baldwin?

[@df4196]

The 1st AD is quite an actor. It’s his JOB to control the set. I don’t hear him say a thing during the clips shown.

[@sandpiperr]

Yeah that was my question. If the lead is being difficult, it's the directors' jobs to wrangle him and the armorer's job to say "we need to pause for safety reasons"

[@JoshGambino-sg9bt]

When does the movie come out?

[@blanks-]

💀

[@THamm-xt8jm]

2043

[@nobodynothing00000]

#1 Baldwin is the producer, he holds liability for the production #2 single action revolvers don't fire unless the hammer was cocked and the trigger was pulled.

[@JBliehall]

That is simply not true. Producers have zero responsibility for on-set safety of any kind. Read the SAG-AFTRA guidelines. And actors have zero responsibility for ascertaining the status of the firearm handed them. I have no use for him but he is guilty of no crime. Here's the response from SAG-AFTRA regarding the incident: Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] These guidelines we in place long before this incident. This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver

[@JBliehall]

So run this test safely at a range with your single-action replica gun. Load hot rounds, hold the trigger back, pull the hammer to the rear and let it go. You will find it fires a round, and depending on the gun and round used, it may fire the round when you pull the hammer back only 1/2 way. There have been many instances (i.e, car wrecks, plane crashes, people escaping buildings in earthquakes and fires, shootings, etc.) where individuals that weren't even involved got pertinent facts wrong. Baldwin could well have done exactly as your test proves and since he didn't "actively pull the trigger" he had no memory of doing so and states over and over, "I never PULLED the trigger." And he is correct. And as I stated before and referenced the SAG-AFRTA guidelines; actors have no responsibility to check the gun handed to them and for safety on the set they shouldn't.

[@xGSFxGoat]

@@JBliehall Seems that if this was able to happen even with your precious SAG-AFTRA guidelines in-place, perhaps these guidelines are faulty. But no, everything was done according to the guidelines... even though someone died, it's all okay because they still followed the guidelines. Maybe your industry should stop treating guns like toys, and give proper training to the actors to actually check the cylinder before they kill someone in accordance with your "guidelines".

[@bastordd]

Armorer is responsible for the weapons in the movie set... Period

[@mrwayne5158]

Its not Alec Baldwins fault. He was doing a scene. Yes he should've checked the gun Everytime before he fired it but even though he didn't he never would have expected a live round to be in the chamber. I know he's not guilty but whoever allowed live rounds on-site and supervised everyone needs to be charged with negligence if anything.

[@stevecochrane8799]

I don't like Alec Baldwin but he wasn't responsible for this.

[@franziskani]

Baldwin was a co-producer and star actor. He negatively influended how things were done at the set (coming out "guns blazing" form the shed, urging them to speed up things). I think he did not have many roles with guns blazing before. The armorer likely would have had a hard time to call him to order.

[@level5565]

You don't think he had many roles with guns blazing? Maybe you should've watched all of his movies before making that statement.

[@jeremysvideovault]

hard time or not, the armorer's JOB is to maintain safety on set. she should have taken baldwin aside and tell him he can not be rushing and using the gun as a pointer for the safety of everyone on set. working in hollywood means working with difficult people, she needed to get out of her comfort zone and didn't and now a cinematographer and mother is dead. the armorer's fault ultimately but i think baldwin and the other producers are negligent for hiring someone so inexperienced and allowing live ammunition on set.

[@TheYardninja]

He has been repeatedly outspoken on firearm ownership while having a track record of being unsafe with firearms on set over the years ​@@level5565

[@DrReginaldFinleySr]

OMNG! Please put the blame squarely where it lies. He didn't load the gun.

[@slsslc8207]

He may not have loaded it, but he was responsible for safety on set as producer, he was also aware of multiple issues with gun safety that had occurred on set, he did nothing to mitigate that and infact did things to make it worse, then while fully aware of ongoing safety issues, he then again deviated from safety norms my "practicing" his draw in the direction of people, pulled the trigger and killed 1 and wounded another. He was extremely negligent in all points of his own duty here, and that resulted in death.

[@temperancer5264]

He was told to aim the gun at the camera...she was standing next to the camera...the AD & the arnorer are responsible it was their Jobs to make sure the gun had dummy rounds...why are they not being sued by her family?? deeper pockets that's why!🙄

[@jimmanis6717]

He was not told that, the witnesses shot that down as soon as he said it.

[@temperancer5264]

Now, but in the beginning several backed Baldwin until they realized he would make a good scapegoat and no one would care where the real bullets cane from...

[@AzguardMike]

First it was the nepo-babies fault. This is her first gig. Her Daddy is a 30+ year expert who got her the job. When they realised "hang on, if the girl goes down, it looks bad for future women. I know! Lets throw Alec under the bus!"

[@oo6386]

While Gutierrez has responsibility, so definitely does Baldwin. The gun was in his hand, he pointed it at Hutchinson, and it fired the bullet that killed her. He should have checked the gun himself, no matter whether he heard it was a cold gun or not. Would he have checked the gun if the scene called for him to point the gun at his own head?

[@JBliehall]

Not really. Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@Ryan-093]

​@JBliehall so you're saying Alec would have blown his own head off. nice.

[@Ryan-093]

​@@JBliehallis it Alec's job to point guns at people and pull the trigger?

[@xGSFxGoat]

@@JBliehall Seems like if people keep getting shot on movie sets, perhaps your union's rules on gun safety aren't accomplishing gun safety like you think they are

[@Failedtorender]

So when does the film drop?

[@firehorse2008]

She was cheap and compliant, that's why they hired her. She was clearly out of her depth. Alec has a reputation for being demanding on set, especially when he's the boss. She probably was trying to please him by doing what he said, plus she didn't want to get yelled at. An older, more experienced man that couldn't be pushed around should have been hired instead. It's all very sad.

[@kingofthedots3835]

This entire scenario is Columbo 101 ....

[@AzguardMike]

"just one more thing, sir"

[@kingofthedots3835]

@@AzguardMike that's bullshit ,but it's really good bullshit .....Pearl Harbor

[@207522]

Imagine the level of extreme negligence to have someone hand you a real gun, tell you it's only loaded with blanks, and then you just start pointing it at people and firing it without even checking to see if that's true. That is at the very least Manslaughter, if not negligent homicide!

[@pkmcburroughs]

Now imagine you're not making up that entire conversation and what was said.

[@DaveSimkus]

Ummmm... He's an actor.... it's literally why they hired an armorer for this.... Alec Baldwin is not an armorer.

[@houstonjoker3836]

No, he hired an armorer to check and make sure the rounds were blanks, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the difference between live and blank rounds that’s literally her job. As the video also said in Alec baldwins eyes the gun was checked by two people the armorer, and who ever handed it to him (producer, director), alecs job was to act. He may have accidentally killed someone, but it was an “accident” caused by the armorer. That is not man slaughter

[@xGSFxGoat]

@@DaveSimkus They can teach actors how not to be kicked or bucked by horses, yet they can't teach Alec Baldwin how to take less than 10 seconds to check the cylinder? Your reasoning is bullshit and you know it

[@KenInnisJr]

Baldwin sure acts like a total jerk. Rushing everyone and bullying the staff.

[@EDKguy]

He ain't acting.

[@Just_Poutre]

rushed or not, its the armorers job to ensure its a safe gun. If they needed more time to make it safe, they shouldve taken more time. who says they had to listen to Baldwin??

[@Trazynn]

Will there be an extended edition on Blu-Ray?

[@phattjohnson]

I don't think your edition extends any more mate. Try some cardio, might help the circulation.

[@ScotlandsYard]

My grandfather watched a lot of western movies and years later I still re-watch those same gun slinging western movies and I did some research on the filming of those movies. This NEVER happened on set while they were making any of those movies. Most of them were filmed during the 1950's and 1960's. I can't understand how this happened. But unfortunately, someone has to be held responsible and go to prison. 👈🏾 😡 ❤

[@joeterp5615]

Multiple people. The armorer was rightfully found guilty, but ultimately the man who didn’t check the gun, aimed it at another person, then pulled the trigger bears at least equal responsibility. Gun owners like me are aghast that he violated THREE absolute safety rules. This was gross negligence.

[@loufher284]

He knew EXACTLY how to handle that gun... it didn't just "GO OFF" like he claimed..

[@hilberryable]

The way he fires the 3 shots and keeps bringing his hand high up to almost over head height after each shot, does not look like he knows too much. It is an exaggerated action on his part as the kick would not be that strong from a Colt.

[@loufher284]

@@hilberryableIt proves that he knew how to use the gun in question. Clearly he's a moron.

[@billybobbocephus2177]

That's a moot point. There should never have been live rounds on that set. PERIOD.

[@loufher284]

@@billybobbocephus2177Point is Alec has kept on saying it just "WENT OFF" He pulled the trigger and is responsible.

[@JBliehall]

@@loufher284 No, not really. Here's the response from SAG-AFTRA regarding the incident: Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@UT48D]

It’s not Baldwin’s job to check if the real bullets were in the prop gun on the movie set. thats micromanagement if he did. On the other hand, firearm specialist was hired to do the job and she failed at her job resulted in the tragic death of the cinematographer.

[@ZergS4uc3]

Except its one hundred percent alec baldwins fault, inital info on the case showed he forced people to double up on jobs so no one was doing a singular job, the armorer had other responsibilities. Then there is him throwing his weight around to get his way. There is also alec baldwins lies about how the gun operates, his threats against the director before he shot her, his immediate calling legal instead of emergency services, and so much more that has this appear more so to be premeditated.

[@Crazzzycarrot-qo5wr]

@@ZergS4uc3 so how did a live round end up there?

[@chrisg3517]

@@ZergS4uc3it’s 100% on Alec Baldwin because he was the one with the gun in his hand at the time it went off.

[@angelnumber2002]

It’s not micromanagement to me when it’s in regards to deadly materials

[@HyphaeHighway]

@@ZergS4uc3 You seem like a moron. I rest my case.

[@olm4700]

Let's say that I take an Uber because I'm drunk, and I tell the driver to hurry and drive faster, should the person driving (his/her job) ignore his/her training and drive faster?

[@Tsudkyk]

Alec rushed the crew, never took his finger off the triggered, continue to fire the weapon after the director called cut, and he used the pistol as a pointer while he instructed the crew. The entire production was negligent and Gutierrez was also complicit in the negligence. She held a position of responsibility and she did not fulfill those responsibilities.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Alec Baldwin belongs in prison. Why such a long delay for his trial?

[@swapshots4427]

Phffffff For what??

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@swapshots4427 you actually that ignorant?

[@swapshots4427]

@@sergeantmasson3669 Nope. But you.!.? Definitely debatable.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

@@swapshots4427 I earned a master's degree from Yale University Law School 25+ years ago and co-owner of a successful law firm. Enjoy your delusions as best as you can.

[@xGSFxGoat]

@@swapshots4427 For what? He shot and killed a woman with a loaded gun, when he could have taken less than 10 seconds to check what was loaded in the cylinder. Now he's trying to pretend as if he's some 6-year-old boy that didn't know any better and that it wasn't his responsibility to follow basic firearms safety rules.

[@moonlightpixie9976]

I thought the film industry would have learned their lesson after what happened on the set of The Crow with Brandon Lee ..

[@CrAzYpotpie]

If you knew about the Brandon Lee story, you'd know these are two different things. A blank killed Brandon, this was an actual live round.

[@DanielThureskog]

@@CrAzYpotpielikewise with Jon-Erik Hexum, but that one was self-inflicted.

[@That-Will-Do-It]

The Crow was actually an accident. A piece of shrapnel was stuck in the barrel and the gasses from a blank round propelled it out of the barrel striking Lee. Rust was plain negligence from Baldwin and the aromorer.

[@ricomajestic]

@@DanielThureskog Voyagers!

[@ctr6051]

If he treated the gun as if it was loaded (like he was supposed to) this wouldn't have happened. 🤷

[@JBliehall]

Wrong. The "expert" kept stating that the #1 Rule of gun safety is "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to destroy." I guess he (and you) haven't seen any of the 10's of thouands of movie scenes where an actor or a cast member or an extra points a gun DIRECTLY at another actor and shoots them. The "At Home" gun safety rules he refers to do NOT apply on a movie set. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO reponsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do you REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic to think about it isn't it?

[@ctr6051]

@JBliehall Actually, what's idiotic is defending unsafe gun practices 😂 The argument about actors not having responsibility is absolutely idiotic and quite frankly ignorant as hell 😂 IF everyone shared your opinions (thank god they don't) Mr. Baldwin wouldn't be in any trouble would he? BUT he is... so, you win the award for most idiotic comment by far 😂😂💀 Maybe do some research into gun laws, buddy 👍or stop riding Alec Baldwins penis long enough to understand how responsibility actually works in real life not movie sets 😂😂👍

[@ctr6051]

@JBliehall If you actually think that, you're dangerously stupid 😅😂 Alec Baldwin wouldn't be in any legal trouble if that's how things went.. BUT he is. So maybe find a new hill to die on partner 🤠😂

[@ctr6051]

@JBliehall the award for dumbest comment goes to you sir 👏 👍 😂😂

[@ctr6051]

@JBliehall If ANY of what you just said was true Mr. Baldwin wouldn't be in any legal trouble.. BUT he is 😳😅😂

[@Tezorus]

That's quite ridiculous. Baldwin rushing the team to reshoot a scene when he was still in the character as nothing to do with the fact that a real bullet shouldn't have been on the set in the first place.

[@Thaddeus-ml8if]

He was the producer and overseer of production and took shortcuts.

[@JBliehall]

​@@Thaddeus-ml8if Producers have zero reponsibility for on-set safety of any kind. Read the SAG-AFTA guidelines. And actors have zero responsibility for ascertaining the status of the firearm handed them. I have no use for him but he is guilty of no crime. Here's the response from SAG-AFTRA regarding the incident: Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. You are all IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@makisupaPIGman]

Baldwin owns the lions share of responsibility in the death of Helena. Anyone owning/handling gun has to pass a written test. One of things the teach you is that anytime you point a firearm you have to assume its loaded and never point it in the direction of anyone you dont intend to k1ll. The was no disclaimers in the educational material about movie sets or armorers. Etc. Its the responsibility of whoever holds the weapon.

[@JBliehall]

That is simply not true. The "expert" (like you) kept stating that the #1 Rule of gun safety is "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to destroy." I guess both of you have never seen any of the 10's of thouands of movie scenes where an actor or a cast member or an extra points a gun DIRECTLY at another actor and shoots them. The "At Home" gun safety rules he refers to do NOT apply on a movie set. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO reponsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do you REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic to think about it isn't it?

[@makisupaPIGman]

@@JBliehall hey mr hollywood elite. The issue isnt with him checking every round or not. He pointed the weapon directly at someone and pulled the trigger. If he hadnt broken that rule then the blanks vs live round debate is dead in the water. I didnt see a movie set loop hole in the gun laws. What penal code are you refering to friend?

[@enigmaharlequin4247]

all directors on all sets get their crew to rush...and if the entire thread of this conversation was posted, that's what this person actually says. What is also stated is that it's the armorers job to push back....so this news post is really doing an injustice by only cutting out what they want people to believe and not posting the entire thread of what this witness actually said..it's disgusting!

[@TheWerewolfJesus]

However Baldwin handled the pistols makes no difference. Unless someone got shot with a blank, we're not talking about the gun being fired wrong. A real bullet was in the gun, and no amount of clumsy brandishing is going to turn a blank into a real bullet, end of story. How'd the bullet get there?

[@Jorbz150]

It makes a huge difference. If the gun had not been fired, or if ANY of Hannah, David or Alec had performed a simple check, then someone would still be alive. That's why Hannah was convicted, why Halls pleaded no-contest, and why Alec will likely be convicted. How the bullet got there, idk, Hannah was probably as sloppy at home as she was on the set. But Alec's idea that you can circumvent criminal negligence by showing preexisting problems is absurd.

[@TheLegend-qj7wh]

This is not Baldwins fault. Period

[@MiamiGameHunter]

At this rate, if the film ever comes out, people will go to see it out of pure morbid curiosity.

[@larryjohnson3087]

Rushing? You mean how movie sets are constantly?

[@m3talHalide-rt2fz]

that old man (producer, halls) is forcing himself to cry. its an acting technique - they force yawning repeatedly with their mouth closed to tear up. hes looking down to hide his tensing and releasing neck muscles, which he continues doing as he looks up, right up to the moment he speaks. doesnt mean hes lying, but hes certainly making an effort

[@EricaGamet]

Don't you think that recounting the situation of a friend dying in front of you would make you cry?

[@m3talHalide-rt2fz]

@@EricaGametmaybe, but thats not why *he's* crying

[@fishsticks88]

Baldwin is 10000% at fault

[@onyx_vii7808]

How? He's on a set with what he is positive in his mind is fake bullets. Actors shoot at the cameras with blanks all the time for movies. I doubt he thought he had a live round in there. Especially when you are focused on actually acting and your lines and such. Not his responsibility.

[@fishsticks88]

@onyx_vii7808 still his fault...

[@fishsticks88]

@@onyx_vii7808 you always always check a firearm the second it is placed in your hand. You don't point it at someone and squeeze the trigger..

[@onyx_vii7808]

@@fishsticks88 It was mid retake and on set a prop gun will eventually be pointed somebody whether its part of the script or not. It is not his job to test the gun it was the armourers. Thats literally her job.

[@fishsticks88]

@onyx_vii7808 it is also your job to ensure that it is set properly. If I gave you a gun and said it was a toy, would you point it at your child or your mother? Or would you check it.

[@WilsonPendarvis-tn3wm]

What is a live round doing on set?

[@gregorylyon1004]

We don't know.

[@Ryan-093]

blanks can still harm and maim, so why are you hung up on that?

[@sandpiperr]

@@Ryan-093 It's pretty important considering a live round is what killed someone!

[@Ryan-093]

@@sandpiperr pointing and firing a gun at someone is never acceptable, ever. even just POINTING a gun at someone is never acceptable. the type of ammo in it is irrelevant.

[@JimmyJinIA]

Hall takes a plea deal to "help insure nothing like this every happens again"...BS, he's trying to save himself. Protocols and competent personnel are available. She was neither competent or followed protocols. It bothers me every time I hear some ding-dong say we need to learn so this never happens again...this isn't exploring the new edge of the universe...10s of thousands of movies and TV shows, even plays have had firearm scenes without incident...they were wreckless.

[@Uzdefized]

I’m never watching this movie

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

It shouldn't matter how fast a scene redo with guns is done. It's up to the armorer to ALWAYS make everything safe. It is their responsibility.

[@phattjohnson]

Yep, reloading a gun with blanks quickly shouldn't be a risk. You might drop one or stub your thumb. Pick it up and grab a band-aid. The problem was, these idiots also had some LIVE ROUNDS on set for whimsical dickery during the off-camera times..

[@DairokutenMaoUwU]

IT'S BALDWIN'S FAULT!

[@CarbonatedTurtle]

It doesn't fucking matter how rushed she was. There never should've been live ammo anywhere near that set. Blaming Baldwin for this is completely idiotic.

[@phattjohnson]

It's convenient though and the mouth breathers just love to see someone successful fall because it makes them feel better by default.

[@xGSFxGoat]

It's "idiotic" to blame someone for pulling the trigger of the revolver that killed an innocent coworker, without even taking the 10 seconds to ensure they were blanks? Good lord, let's all hope that you never own firearms or handle firearms for the rest of your life

[@Theflyingdutchhman]

There should have never been live ammunition on set.

[@NakedSageAstrology]

This smells like sabotage from an angry ex president.

[@kellycasperhanson4426]

😡😡😡 No sympathy for Halls who did a TERRIBLE job "double-checking" the gun that killed Halyna. He said he only saw 3 or 4 "dummies" in the gun. There were actually 5 dummies and one LIVE 45 round. That's a big-ass bullet! Halls was the 👉SAFETY COORDINATOR for the set. Halls' crocodile tears didn't impress me at all🐊.

[@whoppers2]

Seems like a hit piece on Baldwin. He may be an insufferable prick but it's not his job to keep the real bullets out of the guns. Everyone is asking- why were live rounds even on set? Seems like The "Armourer" failed her responsibility and tragically people were killed and injured. I don't see how Baldwin is at fault. They will do dozens of takes of the same scene, back to back to back quickly and repeatedly....this is some standard moviemaking. The Armourer is at fault.

[@dps6198]

The revolver he was holding didn't fire a live round Alec Baldwin fired the live round The gun don't do nothing unless a person does something

[@JBliehall]

I have no use for him but he is guilty of no crime. Here's the response from SAG-AFTRA regarding the incident: Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@usetheforce9836]

Yeah, none of this really matters IF THERE'S NO LIVE AMMO IN THE GUN LIKE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE!!

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

They want to blame him so bad

[@Dert26]

Is this for real? Are prosecutors *really* trying to say, "Look at how negligent Baldwin was, he handed a prop gun to a child!" as if, A. It wasn't normal for movie/show sets where there's a scene with a child using a gun B. Baldwin was under the assumption the armorer did her job correctly C. It's a problem when an actor hands a kid what should be safely assumed to be a prop or not filled with live ammunition but not a problem when parents hand their children *real* actually loaded firearms? People really need to stop with this "iT's BaLdWiNs Fault" BS as if all of the sudden actors are expected to check every single firearm they're handed for a scene despite this not being the case probably since armorers were introduced to the film making process. Where's the outrage for literally every single other show or movie where a character points a real but blank loaded gun at someone else?

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

Except it wasn't just a prop, and everyone knew it. It was a fully functioning gun being treated as an incapable prop. When actors are dealing with real firearms, yes, they are responsible and should be expected to check every firearm they're handling, just like when someone hands me a real firearm at a gun range or at their house.

[@JBliehall]

@@Nicholas-ze5vv That is simply NOT TRUE. The " firearms expert" kept stating that the #1 Rule of gun safety is "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to destroy." I guess he hasn't seen any of the 10's of thouands of movie scenes where an actor or a cast member or an extra points a gun DIRECTLY at another actor and shoots them. The "At Home" gun safety rules he refers to do NOT apply on a movie set. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO reponsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do you REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic when you think about it isn't it?

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

​@@JBliehall Just because you have a big expensive camera doesn't make these things acceptable, and just because other people have done them before, doesn't make it reasonable or okay either. And no, I don't find it crazy for hundreds of actors to check their guns, because they only have to check one or two each. Even if it was unreasonable and too difficult of a task for them, then they shouldn't be using real weapons. If you're using fully capable and real firearms, the user should be trained as if they are a real weapon, BECAUSE THEY ARE. Finally, they aren't "at-home gun safety rules" or whatever you call them. They're universal gun standards. Cops, military, civilians, it doesn't matter. The military uses the safety and doesn't point the weapons and friendlies either. You're just displaying your apparent incredible ignorance on this. I'm not sure what made you think you're the authority on this matter.

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

@@JBliehall Let me ask you this, were you in the military or law enforcement?

[@JBliehall]

@@Nicholas-ze5vv Miltary. And I have 6 patented weapons training systems and have trained LE and the military in weapons and small unit tactics (including CQB) for > 16 years. Google my name and you can go to my website. Suffice?

[@jeremiahharm69]

Ok I'm gonna say this and that's that. Mr Baldwin on the day of the shooting was tired, did not like being told how to act, getting pushy with the crew over camera angels. Baldwin pulled that trigger out of internal RAGE he was pissed before that weapons even got in his hands. as far as the live ammunition they were target shooting over the weekend They" Baldwin" was also target shooting.

[@Daniela-2208]

The one man who accepted the plea is a real man. Takes gusts to be accountable even for a tragic mistake. I hope eve ru one trying to cop out, is proven guilty and given some real jail time

[@JBliehall]

Especially when the Plea Deal keeps you out of jail and you are not charged in anyway.

[@TribalThief]

Man, the movie looks absolutely atrocious😂

[@JBliehall]

There are MANY reasons to not waste time and money seeing it.

[@keithnoneya]

My wife was a Navy Occupational & Health Safety Specialist, Alec bears "some" responsibility in that he is responsible for everything that goes on in the set as the employer. Setting an unsafe condition on a work site where there are dangerous weapons, then pushing the person in charge of the "safety", encourages a dangerous situation as an employer. As an Employer Alec pushed the Safety beyond the breaking point and a person died. Any employer who pushes the workers past Safety Margins is as responsible for any injuries or deaths as the person in charge of Safety. Alec isn't the first to do this and I don't believe he will be the last. Employers need to be held accountable for unsafe working conditions. Thanks for sharing this video, it proves Alec was the one pushing this Armorer to make a deadly mistake. Alec also pointed a gun at a person and pulled the trigger, something that is never done on a movie set. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya

[@djh7004]

Alec Baldwin should have been behind bars a long time ago.

[@larryhouse3776]

The armourer might not even be responsible for the live rounds ending up there in this case. It could have been someone else entirely. The armourer would know live rounds shouldn't be on a movie set... so at this point still, all we know is Alec had the gun, pointed it at someone, and pulled the trigger. It's impossible to prove his innocence. Accidentally killing someone is still a crime.

[@JBliehall]

Not really. That's the comment of so many that know little or nothing about weapons and movie sets. The "firearms expert" (and you) kept stating that the #1 Rule of gun safety is "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to destroy." I guess he hasn't seen any of the 10's of thouands of movie scenes where an actor or a cast member or an extra points a gun DIRECTLY at another actor and shoots them. The "At Home" gun safety rules he refers to do NOT apply on a movie set. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO reponsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do you REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic when you think about it isn't it? He had NO responsibility to check the rounds in the gun.

[@JBliehall]

Union Rules [SAG-AFTRA, which represents actors, issued a lengthy statement (read it here) to defend performers and place blame on the crew. “An actor’s job is not to be a firearms or weapons expert.” SAG-AFTRA wrote. “Firearms are provided for use on set under the guidance of multiple expert professionals directly responsible for the safe and accurate operation of that firearm.” The statement referenced an industry-wide safety bulletin with guidelines “that do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm.”] This clearly references the real bullet or “live round” that Baldwin didn’t know was in his revolver.

[@JBliehall]

The "firearms expert" kept stating that the #1 Rule of gun safety is "Never point a gun at a person or anything you don't want to destroy." I guess he hasn't seen any of the 10's of thouands of movie scenes where an actor or a cast member or an extra points a gun DIRECTLY at another actor and shoots them. The "At Home" gun safety rules he refers to do NOT apply on a movie set. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley, sometimes during the same scene. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO reponsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do you REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic once you think about it isn't it?

[@anthonywike8042]

There was NO REASON for live rounds to be on set.

[@cheehee808_]

How in the world did live ammo get on the set? Sheesh

[@dimetime35c]

All these things don't matter!!! All that matters is How the F did live rounds end up on set!!!!! Its a movie set, there should be NO live rounds anywhere near the set!!!!!!!!!!

[@JBliehall]

Not necessarily true. I was a consultant and they used my patented target systems on the TV series "Stars Earn Stripes." We went from live-fire to Simunitions and back to live-fire almost daily for the 4 weeks we filmed at Reagan's Ranch in Simi Valley, sometimes during the same scene. But the armorers were more than diligent and safety was an over-riding factor. Actors have ZERO responsibility to check any weapon handed to them. That is the armorer's and directors job. Smart armorers don't want untrained actors going around on a set "willy-nilly" checking whether a gun has blanks in it. Blank loads can be very dangerous. Do people REALLY believe all the hundreds of actors in "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" were expected to check their weapons to ensure they were only loaded with blanks? Idiotic once you think about it isn't it?

[@randyfowler7456]

0:48 oh ABC please get the facts right! it is a revolver not a pistol, pistol has a magazine

[@wyabey5745]

From the very beginning it was well known that this was a chaotic set, Alec Baldwin in particular as executive producer was exposed for taking shortcuts, not taking necessary precautions on set and behaving in exactly this way, so much so that many in the crew quit due to it being an UNSAFE set. I do not for a second trust Alec Baldwin or a word that comes out of his mouth, he has always been and will continue to be a manipulative snake in the grass, much like his wife. I completely believe the armorer is being scapegoated by him and his team. Sure she was irresponsible and probably too inexperienced to a hold a position like that, which again the studio should have cleared instead of taking shortcuts.

[@juanmortaco831]

This explains nothing.

[@Brad-ih5zh]

Alec Baldwin's attitude is pretty normal, almost every normal person does that at work. The set is under the heat of the sun everyone was most likely under a bit of a pressure.

[@michaelcharlesthearchangel]

Who slipped real bullets into the armorer's fanny pack?

[@stratfordbaby]

NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. You haven't been paying attention. LIVE ROUNDS WERE BROUGHT BY BALDWIN AND OTHER CREW. That's already been answered over a year ago. They were PLINKING metal cans and bottles on set during breaks. WITH LIVE ROUNDS. Had nothing to do with Hannah. IGNORANT FOOLS.

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

The dye in her hair effects her judgement. Both her and Baldwin are guilty

[@phlogistanjones2722]

The video at 1:47 CLEARLY showing a "stuntman" FLAGGING a person with the long arm. Had this happened at ***ANY*** range I was on I would have VERY LOUDLY told the offending person that they had just FLAGGED A PERSON WITH THE MUZZLE. They would have been dressed down and possibly ejected depending on how strict the Range Safety Officer was. THIS is really all anyone needs to see even once to KNOW that no one on that set got anything like "proper safety training". A five year old shown his first firearm would be told this is NOT how we act. Not certain but it appears "city folks" should not be trusted to act like responsible individuals. 1.) ALL GUNS ARE LOADED 2.) NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT SOMETHING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO DESTROY 3.) KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE THE WEAPON 4.) KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT. These rules were written in blood. NO ONE on this set demonstrated anything like safe weapon handling.

[@JBliehall]

Are you one of the many people that have never seen a movie where one actor "shoots" another actor? There are thousands to choose from. Shooting range safety protocols (with live rounds) are not the same as the safety protocols on a movie set (with dummy or blank rounds). They maybe in the furure but right now "flagging" another actor is part of many screenplays. And "shooting" them with blank rounds has been used since movies gained popularity in the 1920's. BTW I have 6 patented weapons traiing ystems and for > 16 years have trained law enforcement, government agencies and all branches of our military in weapons and small unit tactics, including CQB. In all those years if my "on-range" safety practices in anyway put someone at risk I would have been told so. I never was. So please don't go there.

[@mckinleyfisher-lynd3896]

As someone who works in this industry, that is wholly untrue when it is said that is not normal conduct. You SHOULD take your time with things that are dangerous and that is what you are supposed to do but rarely does that happen on set. Many times we are rushed regardless of the content of the scene and that is just normal. Not saying right or wrong, just how it is, time is money as they say. And regardless of ALL of this, Alec baldwin rushing her doesn't magically make her posses live rounds and load them into the gun.

[@JBliehall]

Good point.

[@Kevin-Schmevin]

Baldwin would have fired her on the spot, in front of everyone, if she tried to tell him what to do.