The List: Who Killed JonBenét?l 20/20 l PART 2

[@Piana28]

If those two were poor they would have been arrested immediately.

[@treybaybie1526]

So TRUE!

[@HopefulInterventions]

I agree ☝️

[@moisesperez4605]

I totally agree on your comment

[@mo777-]

well yeah. money talks that’s why OJ isn’t in prison anymore

[@darkhorse9472]

The Ramseys weren't arrested because there was zero evidence against them. #knowthefacts #evidencematters #justiceforjonbenet

[@loriekramer8055]

Why would you invite friends over to your house when u know there may be fingerprints somewhere of the supposed kidnapper? Why would a kidnapper who's out for money just kill her makes no sense.

[@paulmaul2186]

Exactly. The only reason other than abject stupidity is to muddy the waters as much as possible.

[@MoBahar687]

In the heat of the moment , you can make mistakes like this. They weren’t professionals in that field to have that in the back of there minds.

[@missvt6640]

@@MoBahar687 maybe, but at the same time too many people were allowed in the house in an active crime scene. One of the 1st things in a homicide you get everyone out of the immediate scene as fast as possible to preserve any evidence. It just reeks of cover-up. Either way all the people handling the case at the time should be investigated for tampering evidence and/or allowing evidence to be destroyed through negligence or other wise.

[@MoBahar687]

@@missvt6640 I do agree that something is fishy going on and there is a cover up probably on the family side . If you want to charge someone for murder , you have to make sure you have something solid ... unfortunately although it may seem obvious to us , there has to be a missing piece here that has the answer but someone/s is hiding it.

[@MoBahar687]

@Richard Long What if those movie quotes are just coincidental? I mean , they weren’t 100% exact words as In the movies? Who would write a full 3 page ransom note is what baffles me. Someone very very close to the family is involved that is for sure. I can’t find something conclusive to say it was one of the parents! That is frustrating..

[@paulmaul2186]

It was a family member. It's obvious. For an intruder to have done everything is totally implausible - finding an open window concealed under a heavy grate, getting inside, wending their way upstairs, grabbing Jon Benet, hitting her, making a garrote from scratch, strangling her, carrying her downstairs (not necessarily in that order), writing a three-page note (including obfuscating the writing), going back upstairs and leaving it on the staircase, then finally sneaking out the window and replacing the grate. All in almost total darkness and in complete silence not waking any of the other three people in the house. Also consider: Either the offender found the paintbrush, string, notepad, and pen then made the garrote and wrote the note without turning on a light (imagine how dark the basement was), or, they were so calm and collected they turned on a light and did all that confident no one would notice. And why even write a note in the first place? The 'kidnapper' knew she was dead; who would spend time writing a three-page note at a crime scene in the faint hope the body wouldn't be discovered before a ransom was paid? The intruder would have to be smart and remarkably composed yet clueless at the same time. I also think the Ramsey's had so many people over in a deliberate attempt to contaminate the crime scene. In this day and age who in their right mind invites dozens of people over to what they already know is a crime scene? Or moves a body for that matter?

[@beatmastert]

It was an intruder.

[@paulmaul2186]

@@beatmastert The odds of that are minuscule.

[@valentinesolko4039]

Or close friend of the family. Her father knows who the culprit is.

[@kylienixon3565]

I agree I don't care how big your house is you would of picked something up if your home just walking around.. the family or someone knows something

[@dmplopez3880]

🎯🎯🎯

[@tararose7799]

I find it interesting they always made the point that Burke was asleep the entire time. Wouldn’t it make more sense if Burke were awake? If one of your children went missing and you don’t know if the person who took them is still somewhere in your house, wouldn’t you want your other child right at your side immediately? I mean, they had a 15 bedroom mansion, they didn’t know if that person was still lurking around somewhere. Idk, just my thoughts...

[@sueannnatter5295]

Tara Rose. Patsy did go in to check on Burke he referred to this as "my mom going all psycho..."

[@tararose7799]

@@sueannnatter5295 oh yeah, I did hear that. Given the state of mind Patsy was in, very possible she just wouldn’t think of it but it seems like John at least would have. But idk, i would want my other kid right next to me if I found a note from some intruder saying they had my youngest child. For all they knew, the intruder could have still been in their house or upstairs somewhere. And they’ve always made it known that Burke was asleep the entire time, but why would he be asleep though... It’s never made sense to me. I get that Burke also said he didn’t know if his dad was chasing away some guy with a bat downstairs but there’s always just been something weird and off about Patsy and John, idk. You’d think they’d immediately wake him up and make sure he were okay and right with them.

[@romancorey6796]

There were so many people in the house. How did that not wake Burke up?

[@YGardenRose]

@@romancorey6796 In the Dr. Phil interview, he said he woke up by his mom coming in going psycho yelling for my baby my baby where is my baby meaning JonBenet. Then he said he pretended to be asleep when a police officer came in and shined a flashlight in his room. I guess he was just nervous or something I forgot what he said to Dr. Phil.

[@valentinesolko4039]

Another thing that's weird to me is that the party/get-together was allegedly a 2 minute drive. They claimed JonBenét was sleeping when they got home. While it's possible she could have been sleeping before they left for the night, I have 2 girls 6 and 7. 2 minutes isn't that long to fall asleep in the car. And not a heavy deep sleep imo. I'm saying if it were my kids I'm waking them up to walk inside. (After a 2 minute drive)

[@alioness-w-noregrets7471]

The parents are way way too calm to be interviewed.

[@tinapresley4286]

Mom was on meds. She was about to break,. She was frantic... She's on meds...

[@muchlove9781]

@@tinapresley4286 not anymore

[@mandymonroe6295]

They didn't except any interviews for a while. Enough time to get their story straight.

[@wendyg09]

For real!

[@ironloins]

I've ALWAYS said that

[@kyvibez6195]

who washes dishes and wipes down tables after a few hours of finding a letter saying their daughter is kidnapped?

[@Vamatt99218]

Thats why the police officer should've treated everyone as a suspect.

[@darkhorse9472]

Boulder Police effed up...big time.

[@elizabethgarcia-xc1zz]

Or making toast?? That is what the father said.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@Vamatt99218 The dishes were washed, because it was early morning, and people in the Ramsey home were having a bite to eat while they waited for the kidnapper to call. They didn't know any better at the time, and BP allowed them to because they were inexperienced as hell. Police should have asked everyone except the parents, (who needed to be there to answer the phone) to leave the home because it was a crime scene. Huge F'up by Boulder Police, not by the Ramseys.

[@Vamatt99218]

@@darkhorse9472 yeah the cops screwed up cause they were inexperienced with these matters...if only they had more training.

[@chinag.2595]

The way they tell their story every time it’s like they trying to tell it like they are trying to convince people they didn’t do it , it isn’t like oh this happened and I can’t believe. There is obviously more to it. The system failed her.

[@ingiashialorde8240]

They didn't

[@chinag.2595]

@Ins Dynsmite Yes, that’s what I mean. They are covering up something more deep. Not necessarily the fact that they didn’t do it. I do think that the brother had to be involved in some type of way.

[@playtime5051]

@@chinag.2595 Have you watched "Who killed the pageant Queen?"

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@playtime5051 This was filmed in England where the press was not as full of the BPD's Ramsey Did It propaganda. Here is the site for those who want to take a fresh look at this heinous crime which the Ramsey's did NOT have anything to do with. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXmwe2pojs2gb7s

[@abpanda1596]

Wouldn't the first thing any parent, especially a father, do when they see a kidnapping letter and their kid missing, is check the whole house? I think the brother did it and the parents, heartbroken of course, had to cover it up. Would be too much to lose both of your children on the same day.

[@barbarapaparella2282]

Exactly and the father found the body in the basement. Lol the kidnapper theory is bullshit imo. Either it was an accidental murder by her brother or a 1st degree murder by her father. I doubt the mother did it but idk anymore. Still is very odd 2 this day.

[@CJ-ri9vl]

I’ve always speculated that the brother did it and parents covered it up. Poor baby.

[@Swnsasy]

Why do you think a 9yr old boy made a garrote, choked her, then hit her over the head, dragged her to the basement, wrote a note? Plus, he's already been cleared by numerous officers..

[@7joursdamour236]

@@Swnsasy indeed, I don't think he would've been capable to commit such a vile crime.

[@crystaltheo8494]

He was hardly 10!

[@claudiasmigelski1528]

The parents made sure everyone walked around touching everything too.

[@darkhorse9472]

They 'made' them? And you were there?

[@claudiasmigelski1528]

@@darkhorse9472 if my child were missing I would have demanded no one extra in the house and I, along with my husband and children would be at the police station and then to a motel until the home was videoed and fingerprinted and all evidence was removed. Even then I couldn’t go back to the house. There’s no way I would be sitting while everyone rummaged through the entire house, inside and out, contaminating the evidence unless that was my intent.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@claudiasmigelski1528 The Ramseys stayed in their home that day, because the ransom note said they would call with instructions. Traps and traces had been placed on the Ramsey's telephone, and a tape recorder attached for when the suspect called. John Ramsey was told what to say (by the detective on the scene) when the kidnapper called. Kinda hard to answer your phone from a motel room. Once JonBenet's body was found in the basement, everyone left the home, including the Ramseys. They never stepped foot in that house again. This isn't about you, or your husband or your kids. How many cases have you been involved in where you were analyzing the demeanor and conduct of parents who had a child found murdered in their home? Do you have any experience, formal training, in how psychologically or otherwise one expects a parent to grieve when a child has been murdered? You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong.

[@chaukawilliams156]

I agree with u

[@vernonfrance2974]

"Perfect Town, Perfect Murder" SCHILLER: "As the morning wore on, the victim advocates, Jedamus and Morlock, decided to go out and get bagels and fruit for everyone." Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Then she started to again cry. “Why didn’t I hear my baby?” Later in the morning the Ramseys’ friends were still in the rear of the house consoling Patsy, who clutched a crucifix in her hands. Patsy threw herself on her daughter’s body. She pleaded with Rev. Hoverstock to bring her daughter back to life. Then Patsy raised herself onto her knees, lifted her arms straight into the air and screamed, “Jesus, you raised Lazarus from the dead, please raise my baby!” The room was empty, but they could hear the mother sobbing. She was at the rear of the house, surrounded by friends." "She was Little Miss Colorado in 1995,” said Dee Dee Nelson-Schneider, a family friend. “She had her own float in the Colorado Parade of Lights in December 1995, and Patsy walked along the side of the float the whole parade to make sure (JonBenét) was safe. That’s how protective Patsy was.” -Elliot Zaret and Alli Krupski Daily Camera, December 27, 1996" " Patsy had to be helped even in the bathroom. Finally, the Valium she had taken made Patsy drowsy. She fell asleep again on the living room floor. Two hours later she was awake again, sobbing, asking if all the doors and windows were locked. "John Ramsey, lying on the sofa, slept fitfully. When he nodded off, his mask of stoicism vanished. He heaved with sobs."

[@lindadouglass4692]

The parents behaved strangely. They are intelligent but called their friends - odd. I even know that you don't ask people over to mess up a crime scene. Very suspicious. $118,000 is a strange amount to request. Very, very odd. This is only the beginning of things that went on. On purpose??

[@YGardenRose]

And $118,000 was Johns bonus that year. So crazy.

[@darkhorse9472]

How many cases have you been involved in where you were analyzing the demeanor and conduct of parents who had a child found murdered in their home? Do you have any experience, formal training, in how psychologically or otherwise one expects a parent to grieve when a child has been murdered? You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong.

[@Alexza1980]

@@YGardenRose Really? I didn't know this. Hmm makes you wonder. I recently, heard the 911 phone call that Pat made. Sounds a bit strange...

[@supersomebody101]

I say the mother or the brother accidentally killed her. Then the mother wrote the note

[@areascoda2912]

The most logical and realistic explanation.

[@beatmastert]

malarkey. clearly an intruder.

[@possumfriend2335]

@@beatmastert lol an intruder whose handwriting matches Patsy's, and wrote it on her notepad.

[@barbarapaparella2282]

@@beatmastert y would an intruder stay and write a 3 page ransom note. Just doesnt make sense imo.

[@mummybunny331]

@@barbarapaparella2282 Why write the lengthy ransom...b4 or after the note...kill her.??

[@Meh-sn5kj]

You cant convince me that the parents have no idea as to what happened.

[@Crazybhead16]

I feel like it's super obvious that the dad was actually abusing her and one of them killed her to shut her up

[@bruggeman672]

@@Crazybhead16 what's your evidence for this theory? beyond your feelings of course?

[@jevinday]

That lady said exactly what I feel when she said there were no signs on a break in, there were 4 people in that house that night and one of them died.

[@vernonfrance2974]

Don't forget the fact that there were the ones who actually committed the crime while the Ramsey's were asleep. The insider who had the key was Linda Pugh who I believe was involved. I believe she was the "facilitator." There is a theory to this effect. It is called "The Pugh Crew" and you can find it at The Jonbenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia. Pugh had access to every part of the house and on Thanksgiving while the Ramsey's were away on a holiday in NYC, the Pugh's were tasked with taking Christmas trees from the basement up to the various rooms to prepare for the Open House. They found the trees in the "Wine Cellar Room," which is the room where JB's body was found. What is significant about this room is that there was an in floor safe. Late November coincides with what John Kenady reported about Michael Helgoth. Helgoth told him he was going to make a "killer deal" around Christmas whereby he and a partner would each make $50 to $60 thousand dollars which is roughly the amount of the ransom demand. Kenady said after Christmas Helgoth told him the deal fell through. Then Helgoth was found dead the day after Valentine's Day. Despite Kenady's best efforts to get the BPD to investigate this they claimed Helgoth died from a suicide. Who commits suicide using a pillow to muffle the sound when they are home alone? He was shot from left to right although he was right handed. There were stun guns and a hat with SBTC on it. He had Hi-Tek boots. He had two wolf dog pups with fur of the same colors as found on JB's hands. He was a known sadist who liked to kill cats slowly and wring kittens' necks. He had been a sniper in the military. He liked to dress up like a ninja and wander around late at night. The area around the Ramsey's had had 100's of burglaries in the time leading up to JB's murder and in many cases they were merely break ins. Strange labeling and other odd evidence someone had been in the Ramsey house was also found. Back to Linda Pugh. She had the identical note pads and pens in her house as discovered by the BPD the very evening after the murder. Pugh became hysterical and did not write the words from the Ransom Note when asked. She wrote a scurrilous Chapter 1 to a book she called "The Death of an Innocent." She showed here she had made a detailed study of Patsy's handwriting from the To Do Notes Patsy gave her to do. I don't think, however, that she was present for the actual murder. She delegated this task, I believe, to Helgoth and Chris Wolf. Wolf had a master's in journalism and was observed to rant and rave against Ramsey at the time the article about Access Graphics came out. He was a stripper, performed live sex with men and women, and had been arrested for public indecency. His girlfriend went to the police because he was out all night the night of the murder and did not return till the next morning. His clothes were dirty and he took a shower. He again ranted against Ramsey and even wrote a letter to Carol McKinley of Fox News stating "Ramsey was a Merchant of Death," and any adult male would want to have sex with JonBenet. He sued the Ramsey's for libel someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4CThe shaky beginning is because it was being copied on to Patsy's pad already having been drafted using many lines from movies. The initial stages were when the author was enervated by the crime. It is not known whether JB was alive when it was copied, but she was alive when it was composed in advance by a man who hated John Ramsey and had expressed that both before and after the crime. Letter to Carol McKinley, Fox News: jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 Also please look into the documentary of three parts called "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen." According to Chief Buckner, he did not know whether Helgoth's and Wolf's DNA had been compared to the later, much more substantial DNA, from the second blood spot which was not revealed until AFTER the Grand Jury had finished. This DNA was substantial and met the criteria the FBI requires to be listed in its COVIS Files.

[@RexxQuanDoze]

Love the guy trying to explain “why” he let the family/friends contaminate the scene. Just admit you effed up man, consequences couldn’t have been higher for the negligence

[@safewaydriving3463]

OK did anyone else find this strange? Their friends come over before the police arrived. Some of the friends are in the kitchen cleaning surfaces and making toast? Who makes toast after a six-year-old girl has just been kidnapped from the house they are in ?

[@JanetSmith900]

As if your daughter being kidnapped was just a casual event. Totally agree this is very strange. I think sometimes evidence is relied too heavily where common sense points out the obvious. None of what the parents did or how they did it makes sense.

[@nancydeterling8711]

ya might as well go vacuum and bake a cake or some muffins while in crisis. while there ...uggg so weird

[@lg6572]

RIP sweet innocent baby girl.... :’( I will always remember you and I hope you’re resting in heaven. 🕊

[@guadalupesalgado5604]

So, they think she's been kidnapped and they proceed to call all their friends over using up the phone?

[@darkhorse9472]

"Using up the phone"? What's that mean?

[@dorapete4536]

I can see calling for help to look for the kiddoe

[@ladybhive1210]

When asked about the 911 call Jon said "I had to do something" I thought it was patsy on the call.

[@hermes452]

The cops gave them leeway because they were rich and connected in the community. Had this been a poor white family, due diligence would have been done

[@julianhudson9341]

What?! A 3-page ransom note? 3 PAGES?! That's an essay! Cleaning the house?! Are they for real? It makes no sense!

[@corinnem7625]

DUDE did you read it? at one point it says "i advise you to be well rested" talking about the money delivery. it really is the weirdest thing

[@julianhudson9341]

@@corinnem7625 Speaking of money, the ransom amount = John's bonus of $118,000. Either the criminal is someone he works with who knows his salary, or John was stupid enough to talk about his money. John should've kept his mouth shut about it. That's one HELL of a bonus, too!

[@corinnem7625]

@@julianhudson9341 YESSSS

[@darkhorse9472]

@@julianhudson9341 He was the president of a company that hit $1 billion dollars in sales in 1996. Bonus of $118,000....meh.

[@MrSaltphone]

Who can't wait already to not find out what happens after part 5?

[@Idah.Waringa]

😂😂😅

[@sandymoonstone855]

2:55 = " I'll make toast "

[@习明泽-h7c]

@@sandymoonstone855 ; take a nap sandy

[@oxrea]

rightttt lmao

[@sonofaurora666]

The parents had something to do with it the way they defend their mistakes is called having a guilty conscience

[@qtcarmen7d896]

I’m so glad for security systems. I have alarms set up on every window, door, outside and inside. I think I watch too many murder shows.

[@user150786]

If Ramsey’s had an alarm system, they’d be charged with murder already. Now there’s always that “what if it was someone else”.

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

It actually amazes me how unsafe people are. People who don't lock their doors or have any situational awareness. It's insane. Even if they don't constantly binge watch murder documentaries like us, people know that burglary and murder happen. It's free and takes literally no effort to lock your door. I do go above and beyond and put time and money into my home security because it's extremely important to my family. But to do zero effort at all is stupid. I love when I do see that someone else takes security seriously. I'm glad you are protecting yourself and your family. Also, 100% the Ramseys did it.

[@Anastashya]

Very wise of you!

[@TheMaryam1891]

One of the weirdest crimes. The ransom notes money amt is a strange thing.

[@jcoleman4769]

The ransom note may have been written with the hopes that the police wouldn't search the home and then the killer could dispose of the body at a later time. The ransom note may have been written to get people to look outside family for a suspect .

[@darkhorse9472]

@@jcoleman4769 DNA from an unknown male found on JonBenet's body cleared the Ramseys over a decade ago.

[@jcoleman4769]

@@darkhorse9472 The family had been to a party prior to retiring for the evening. That could easily explain where the unknown DNA came from.

[@nicklucking1891]

Under her fingernails and sides of her underwear. I suppose anything is possible and maybe logic doesn’t coordinate with this case but that theory may be a stretch

[@JJJameson.]

Suspicious that they actually called friends over, even though they know they shouldn't

[@MrSesmith11]

If the “kidnappers” just killed the family in their sleep they could have made off with at least that amount in jewelry and watches.

[@aqhr0dite933]

Literally this makes no sense. When you first see the note and hear your child was kidnapped, the right thing to do would to search the whole house. Did they do that? No. I think the brother did it, then the parents covered it up.

[@faykouri1162]

I’ve tended to believe that too from the very first time I watched her story!

[@blue_moonship]

I’m just saying the mother should of call the police and the fad could have checked the whole ass house. Sometimes Is not adding up and it’s crazy to think that they would ever tell the truth, but only one person does and that’s fine . And why can’t they just contact her spirit that’s another thing .

[@ritaturner9906]

The parents could have waited on calling all their friends.

[@missvt6640]

called them to help clean up evidence I bet. Who cleans up the house, scrubbing windows etc if your child is missing? It's just too suspicious, her corpse was still in the house and miraculously found and moved by her father afterwards.

[@carolbenson6524]

I was wondering about that too...how and why did they have time to call all their friends???

[@antonelabakavic4045]

@@missvt6640 exactly! They called the friends to help them cover up the crime scene

[@sueannnatter5295]

Well...they didn't have any family there to get comfort and support...they just had friends. And if they were the ones to put Jonbenet in the basement why would they invite people over ? People that kill their kids usually take them to the hospital with a made up accident story or they bury the body somewhere and say the child was abducted. John Ramsey had hours in which he could have buried the body.

[@antonelabakavic4045]

@@sueannnatter5295 it would not be easy at all for John to to burry the body. Someone could have seen him. They invited rhe friends to ruin the crime scene and to clean all the evidence, especially in the kitchen and I believe she was murdered in that kitchen. I am sure they killed her and staged everything from the kidnapping story, ridiculous ransom note to her fake cry 911 call. Burke probably had seen something. That is why they rushed to take him out if the house so police wouldn't interviewed him. There is no mistery there. It was a huge cover up. Her parents killed her

[@democratresistance7847]

A grand jury INDICTED the parents but the Boulder DA wouldnt let them prosecute. Someone in the house did it.

[@TheMaryam1891]

Did they search the outside?

[@angelbasham6631]

How could the da stop it ?

[@ingiashialorde8240]

No

[@democratresistance7847]

@@angelbasham6631 He was paid off by the parents and in their pocket. The grand jury thing is online. DA was a slimeball who knew he was covering up a murder. Patsys handwriting matched the notes and it was from her notepad and its so long .

[@pettyracer8772]

It was the father

[@gemsbyjackie5479]

It bothers me hearing the dad say we were focused on finding jon benet in response to questions about making toast and windexing sink and doing dishes....🤔😔

[@sueannnatter5295]

Gems by Jackie. She may have been doing dishes etc because she was embarrassed about the state of her house. And as for the toast even in an emergency people do get hungry.

[@meanttobe3563]

I thought the same thing wow same filling wow

[@ladybhive1210]

When Barbara Walters .ask.about the 911 call Jon said " I had to do something". I thought it was Patsy on the call

[@playtime5051]

@@ladybhive1210 Have you watched "Who killed the pageant Queen?" the cops got lots of Tabloid cash to sit on the evidence. Then somebody murdered JB's killer Michael Helgoth.

[@cee_el]

I’m sure most of us agree that the brother did it

[@mutebisunayya6670]

But he was a kid ..... and in his interview he didn't say anything incriminating him.... surely something would have slipped. was he that smart 7 year old I wonder 🤔

[@secularbelt]

@@mutebisunayya6670 it’s not a sure thing. Read up on personality disorders and sociopaths

[@sandman7849]

No, the killer is obvious.

[@veronicamatchett8227]

@@mutebisunayya6670 he was 9 - not 7

[@zulyherreramonegro6827]

He was a child. An adult did all of that on purpose.

[@sarawright8310]

One of the most disturbing things about this is that this poor little girl was evidently physically abused before she died which means someone in that house did that to her. She apparently visited the pediatrician numerous times throughout the year. You can see bruises in some of her pictures.

[@sueannnatter5295]

Sara Wright the pediatrician has come out and said that Jonbenet was not sexually abused. Some children are just born with a susceptibility for UTIs 2 of my 3 daughters were and 1 of that 2 was born with a defect called a reflux with one of her ureter that made her very susceptible to utis and also kidney infections which incidently caused her to often wet the bed until she had a surgery at age 10.

[@carminesmissionstoconquer2811]

I always got a weird feeling from the brother

[@YGardenRose]

What's totally SICK and horrible is the choking if that girl with that garrote thing. So cruel. If she had an accident and hit her head or one hit her, the garrote staging was the sickest thing ever. Although now years later, specialists sat the garrote came first then the hit in the head. Horrible. :(

[@BenWinder108]

100 percent the parents are responsible.

[@realtalktina]

I have never forgot about her! I will ask God when I see Him to tell me what happened to her.

[@lg6572]

Her story breaks my heart. :’( I pray she’s in peace that poor baby girl.....

[@destroyerofheroes]

Alright, text me what you find out.

[@dmplopez3880]

I believe the parents did it!!!! Who would let friends roam around the house and make toast while there's an investigation going on because your daughter got supposedly kidnapped 🤔 this been planned by the parents their story sucks!!!

[@natashakalanda622]

I've always thought the brother did it, and the parents were trying to protect the remaining child like any parent would

[@beatmastert]

wrong

[@natashakalanda622]

@@beatmastert now that I've seen part 2 and 3, I think the dad did it

[@Losthegr88]

@@beatmastert the son did it. Right!!!!

[@beatmastert]

@@natashakalanda622 lol, it was clearly an intruder. One day they will find a DNA match.

[@mirabella2154]

@@beatmastert Bullshit.

[@zombiewarrior88]

4:08 that looks like a handwritten note written by a child. I want to point out 2 things followed by a question. 1) the father set up the alarm the night before. 2) the mother frantically called the police and said someone broke into the house. Why didn't the alarm go off and wake the family up if someone broke into the house?

[@ukmedicfrcs]

It's a note written by someone using their other hand. I'm left handed so if I want my handwriting to look different I use my right hand. Try it yourself and your handwriting will look the same as the ransom note.

[@Naturefan354]

@@ukmedicfrcs Handwriting experts and Detectives actually believed it was someone who was ambidextrous ( Patsy Ramsey was!) Using their non dominate hand while the note was agitated. Like someone was writing the note on a washer machine that was on.

[@ukmedicfrcs]

@@Naturefan354' Experts '. Lol

[@veronicamatchett8227]

the neighbor heard a child scream - but the parents didn't ? this makes no sense

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@veronicamatchett8227 It makes sense if you know the layout of the house. The Ramsey's were four stories above the basement on the opposite end of the house from the Wine Cellar Room. There was an open air duct in that room that funneled sound out much like the old fashioned "speaking tubes" did before intercoms. John was known for taking Melatonin, a natural sleeping aid. Patsy had had an exhausting schedule which even included walking the entire parade route for her beloved daughter "Little Miss Christmas," to be safe. "Perfect Town, Perfect Murder" SCHILLER: "As the morning wore on, the victim advocates, Jedamus and Morlock, decided to go out and get bagels and fruit for everyone." Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Then she started to again cry. “Why didn’t I hear my baby?” Later in the morning the Ramseys’ friends were still in the rear of the house consoling Patsy, who clutched a crucifix in her hands. Patsy threw herself on her daughter’s body. She pleaded with Rev. Hoverstock to bring her daughter back to life. Then Patsy raised herself onto her knees, lifted her arms straight into the air and screamed, “Jesus, you raised Lazarus from the dead, please raise my baby!” The room was empty, but they could hear the mother sobbing. She was at the rear of the house, surrounded by friends." "She was Little Miss Colorado in 1995,” said Dee Dee Nelson-Schneider, a family friend. “She had her own float in the Colorado Parade of Lights in December 1995, and Patsy walked along the side of the float the whole parade to make sure (JonBenét) was safe. That’s how protective Patsy was.” -Elliot Zaret and Alli Krupski Daily Camera, December 27, 1996" " Patsy had to be helped even in the bathroom. Finally, the Valium she had taken made Patsy drowsy. She fell asleep again on the living room floor. Two hours later she was awake again, sobbing, asking for Burke, asking if all the doors and windows were locked. "John Ramsey, lying on the sofa, slept fitfully. When he nodded off, his mask of stoicism vanished. He heaved with sobs." "Then it hit Gary Merriman. Could the Daily Camera story about the company hitting a billion dollars in sales have anything to do with JonBenét’s death? He was the one who had urged sending out the press release. John’s picture had accompanied the article. Had he exposed the Ramsey family to some lunatic? Merriman would be tormented for months afterward by the thought that he might have inadvertently targeted JonBenét." Fleet White told the police that when the Lafayette branch of John Fernie’s bank opened, Fernie went there to see about collecting the ransom money from his own account. During this time Ramsey was distressed, White said; the pain he observed in John was unmistakable. He’d never seen Ramsey this way, at the end of his rope. “He just put his head in his hands and cried and shook.” White also told the police that he and Ramsey went down to the basement again at about 1:00 P.M. and first went into Burke’s train room, where they both looked at the broken window. Ramsey told White he had broken it to get into the house a few months earlier, when he came home one day without his house key. Then White described what had happened when John Ramsey found JonBenét’s body. He couldn’t forget seeing John standing in the doorway screaming, his back to White, the light being turned on and, when he entered the room himself, seeing Ramsey on 46 his knees beside JonBenét. It all happened so fast, White said. He had no explanation for why he himself hadn’t seen the body on his first trip to the basement. At about 1:30 P.M., White said." "At 10:00 A.M. on Friday, December 27, Pam Griffin and her daughter, Kristine, a senior in high school, sat before a tape recorder in a small windowless room at police headquarters. Griffin told Larry Mason what she knew. She was the seamstress who made JonBenét’s pageant costumes and Patsy’s confidante about beauty pageants. Kristine was one of JonBenét’s runway teachers. 48 The police wanted to know if she’d ever seen any inappropriate behavior between the Ramseys and JonBenét- anything abusive. Griffin said she hadn’t. She had never even seen them discipline their children, she claimed. Pam told Mason that these were parents who didn’t demand respect from their kids-it was they who respected their children. That was the best way she could describe the relationship. And then there was all the love in JonBenét’s eyes when she spoke to her father. Everything he said was important to her, Griffin said. Mason then asked for information about child beauty pageants. JonBenét had won several, Griffin said. On the previous Sunday, December 22, she had performed at the Southwest Plaza as a pageant winner. Was JonBenét forced into the pageants, Mason wanted to know. Not that Griffin could see. Then Kristine was interviewed. She gave much the same answers."

[@carlaray7614]

They aren’t convincing in the least. If they were so focused on getting her back....why have everyone running through your home to corrupt the crime scene? Nothing makes sense.

[@USArmy91222]

i would imagine all kidnappers break into someones house, spend hours writing a 3 page ransom note, then leave the person in the house they came to kidnap..LOL

[@TomikaKelly]

Imagine working a job where your bonus is $118k. 😳

[@noellegunning3301]

Yes, and that was back in 1996 too!

[@REPULSlVECONVULSIVE]

Always shocked me that they didn't have security system...being fairly wealthy and all...

[@pinkfreud62]

I think I heard they did have cameras, but they weren't on. Isn't that crazy? They could have had cameras in every corner of their home and alarms. That could have solved the whole case.

[@guadalupesalgado5604]

6000 sq ft home and they make their way into Jonbenet's room in the dark?

[@MrSaltphone]

The Lin Wood involvement is alarming now that he has been unmasked.

[@krazeelety]

Lin Wood involvement?

[@dorapete4536]

What Lin wood involvement?

[@donnahague8983]

I don’t think anyone in the family had anything to do with it BUT I will say this, if my child had been kidnapped the LAST thing on my mind to do would be to call friends and tell them before the police even got there...I’d be a wreck and calling people just wouldn’t be on my go do list...

[@fernfreeman1729]

If it is an inside job, then it implies a male predator was molesting Jon Benet and may have been for a while. One simply cannot ignore the DNA as if it's insignificant; it is. The DNA perhaps dates back to earlier in the day or the night before.

[@RespecttheScreenplay]

The rate that children are dying under the care of their parents is crazy 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@kimberly5658]

I believe that the family did it. Either the brother did it and the mother tried to cover it up. Or the mom did it accidentally and covers herself up because they are way way too calm to be interviewed. If I was a mom and my child is missing I would go nuts I would be crying in the interview and that is something I noticed

[@vernonfrance2974]

"Perfect Town, Perfect Murder" SCHILLER: "As the morning wore on, the victim advocates, Jedamus and Morlock, decided to go out and get bagels and fruit for everyone." Priscilla White was trying to keep her friend Patsy from fainting. She seemed to be in shock; she was vomiting and hyperventilating. Then she started to again cry. “Why didn’t I hear my baby?” Later in the morning the Ramseys’ friends were still in the rear of the house consoling Patsy, who clutched a crucifix in her hands. Patsy threw herself on her daughter’s body. She pleaded with Rev. Hoverstock to bring her daughter back to life. Then Patsy raised herself onto her knees, lifted her arms straight into the air and screamed, “Jesus, you raised Lazarus from the dead, please raise my baby!” The room was empty, but they could hear the mother sobbing. She was at the rear of the house, surrounded by friends." "She was Little Miss Colorado in 1995,” said Dee Dee Nelson-Schneider, a family friend. “She had her own float in the Colorado Parade of Lights in December 1995, and Patsy walked along the side of the float the whole parade to make sure (JonBenét) was safe. That’s how protective Patsy was.” -Elliot Zaret and Alli Krupski Daily Camera, December 27, 1996" " Patsy had to be helped even in the bathroom. Finally, the Valium she had taken made Patsy drowsy. She fell asleep again on the living room floor. Two hours later she was awake again, sobbing, asking for Burke, asking if all the doors and windows were locked. "John Ramsey, lying on the sofa, slept fitfully. When he nodded off, his mask of stoicism vanished. He heaved with sobs." "Then it hit Gary Merriman. Could the Daily Camera story about the company hitting a billion dollars in sales have anything to do with JonBenét’s death? He was the one who had urged sending out the press release. John’s picture had accompanied the article. Had he exposed the Ramsey family to some lunatic? Merriman would be tormented for months afterward by the thought that he might have inadvertently targeted JonBenét." Fleet White told the police that when the Lafayette branch of John Fernie’s bank opened, Fernie went there to see about collecting the ransom money from his own account. During this time Ramsey was distressed, White said; the pain he observed in John was unmistakable. He’d never seen Ramsey this way, at the end of his rope. “He just put his head in his hands and cried and shook.” White also told the police that he and Ramsey went down to the basement again at about 1:00 P.M. and first went into Burke’s train room, where they both looked at the broken window. Ramsey told White he had broken it to get into the house a few months earlier, when he came home one day without his house key. Then White described what had happened when John Ramsey found JonBenét’s body. He couldn’t forget seeing John standing in the doorway screaming, his back to White, the light being turned on and, when he entered the room himself, seeing Ramsey on 46 his knees beside JonBenét. It all happened so fast, White said. He had no explanation for why he himself hadn’t seen the body on his first trip to the basement. At about 1:30 P.M., White said." "At 10:00 A.M. on Friday, December 27, Pam Griffin and her daughter, Kristine, a senior in high school, sat before a tape recorder in a small windowless room at police headquarters. Griffin told Larry Mason what she knew. She was the seamstress who made JonBenét’s pageant costumes and Patsy’s confidante about beauty pageants. Kristine was one of JonBenét’s runway teachers. 48 The police wanted to know if she’d ever seen any inappropriate behavior between the Ramseys and JonBenét- anything abusive. Griffin said she hadn’t. She had never even seen them discipline their children, she claimed. Pam told Mason that these were parents who didn’t demand respect from their kids-it was they who respected their children. That was the best way she could describe the relationship. And then there was all the love in JonBenét’s eyes when she spoke to her father. Everything he said was important to her, Griffin said. Mason then asked for information about child beauty pageants. JonBenét had won several, Griffin said. On the previous Sunday, December 22, she had performed at the Southwest Plaza as a pageant winner. Was JonBenét forced into the pageants, Mason wanted to know. Not that Griffin could see. Then Kristine was interviewed. She gave much the same answers."

[@alinelofgren7879]

Why do I feel like the parents are trying to defend themselfs instead of explaining how it all went down. ”It all happened within a matter of moments” How long is a moment? Why not be as accurate as you possibly can be, so the police can help you find your daughter faster? They are trying to look and sound as innocent as possible, but actually its just making it more suspicious.

[@gomez3655]

best thing ive read regarding this case! hats off to you!

[@lwill4075]

I think the father was involved in some shady business that no one knew about. So the people he crossed came and attempted a kidnapping, but instead killed child. That's why you had ransom note. I'm telling you father had some on side shady going on

[@amberscoutstarwatcher]

This makes the most sense!!!

[@MokrynaOP]

why would he wrote that note in the house, he already had it done before coming in. Its some one who knew the house and the family .

[@amethyst8852]

It was written in house because police found a note pad from which came those pages

[@MokrynaOP]

@@amethyst8852 yes , and this all can indicate that the one who did was too comfortable writing it not in a rush , very well could be one the family member . I think the police knows who did it they just do not have enough evidence to prove it thats why the office asked to keep the case open after his death.

[@susyshepard320]

You can hear that she's lying.

[@nyabrowne7056]

If you child goes “missing” the first thing you do is check the whole house before calling the police. Then he decides to invite all his friends to contaminate the crime scene. And didn’t he say that people were making toast in the kitchen? Seems sketchy to me

[@sebeckley]

"We have a kidnapping" is a really weird way to say it. It's like an office memo.

[@kevinvassago]

I agree, why would that be the first thing that popped into her head. Most ppl would say their daughter's missing, amd not jump to a conclusion like that right off the bat, unless they had an agenda behind it. Plus she wasn't kidnapped, she was in the basement, so the ransom note was obviously fake.

[@adenjama6005]

How could they not find her in the basement?

[@brynstarkiller7419]

I’ve always thought a stressed out Patsy lashed out and killed her by accident . With respect to those who’ve passed she had been through a lot and was controlling and bossy with Jonbenet . I don’t think she was a bad lady I just think she had a bad day and John chose to protect her . Maybe because he’d been abusing her or just because he loved his wife .

[@21MarketaDiva]

That is true, that was a long random note. That made no sense, whoever did it was calm and had time to write it

[@vernonfrance2974]

@You Are A Fart Knocker The length of the RN and the amount of detail it had from movies shows that it was not written at the time of the crime, but some time before. It was just copied on to Patsy's pad using her pen by someone who was told where to locate them. That means this crime was premeditated. No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm wasn't off. And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY

[@carminesmissionstoconquer2811]

I always thought the brother did it or someone else in the family that the mom covered for and they were trying to make it look like it was someone he worked with for the amount ransomed"

[@vernonfrance2974]

The Facilitator, Linda Pugh, knew the layout of the house, that the alarm was off, the dog across the street, the Ramsey's schedule, that there was an in ground safe, that the basement window was broken, where she and only she had hidden Burke's knife, and so much more. She had been in the house on Thanksgiving when she and her family were paid to take the artificial trees upstairs and to wash the windows. Her later comments about not knowing that room was there are lies because the trees were stored there. There was an in ground safe as well and that was what sparked the idea of a kidnapping. The police found extra identical notepads and pens taken from Patsy in Pugh's house when they went to talk to Pugh the very day of the murder. She had examples of Patsy's handwriting from To Do Notes Patsy would write out for her work assignments. She changed her story about Patsy which she first said was that Patsy did not get upset about Jonbenet's bedwetting in Schiller's Book, Perfect Murder, Perfect Town to Patsy "taking JB to the Bathroom and after shutting the door she said she heard JB scream. Odd she never told investigators that but waited for her planned book "The Death of an Innocent." Both She and Chris Wolf knew Santa Bill who was enamored of JB but whose health prevented him from being in on it, except in the planning stages. JB told the mother of her friend Meghan that Santa was going to visit her AFTER Christmas. What better way to get a child to come with - Dress like Santa, put his fingers to his lips for silence, and take the child where she can't be heard three stories above. Chris Wolf at first lied under oath about knowing Professor McReynold's (Santa Bill) but had to admit it when he was shown the copy of the letter that assigned Santa as his faculty advisor in journalism. Santa's own daughter had allegedly been abducted two decades earlier to the day along with a friend. Oddly, only the friend was molested. Wolf's handwriting was found to be more like the ransom note's than Patsy's was. Pugh became hysterical and did not write the words from the Ransom Note when asked. She wrote a scurrilous Chapter 1 to a book she called "The Death of an Innocent." She showed here she had made a detailed study of Patsy's handwriting from the To Do Notes Patsy gave her to do. I don't think, however, that she was present for the actual murder. She delegated this task, I believe, to Helgoth and Chris Wolf. Wolf had a master's in journalism and was observed to rant and rave against Ramsey at the time the article about Access Graphics came out. He was a stripper, performed live sex with men and women, and had been arrested for public indecency. His girlfriend went to the police because he was out all night the night of the murder and did not return till the next morning. His clothes were dirty and he took a shower. He again ranted against Ramsey and even wrote a letter to Carol McKinley of Fox News stating "Ramsey was a Merchant of Death," and any adult male would want to have sex with JonBenet. He sued the Ramsey's for libel someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4CThe shaky beginning is because it was being copied on to Patsy's pad already having been drafted using many lines from movies. The initial stages were when the author was enervated by the crime. It is not known whether JB was alive when it was copied, but she was alive when it was composed in advance by a man who hated John Ramsey and had expressed that both before and after the crime. Letter to Carol McKinley, Fox News: jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 Also please look into the documentary of three parts called "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen." According to Chief Buckner, he did not know whether Helgoth's and Wolf's DNA had been compared to the later, much more substantial DNA, from the second blood spot which was not revealed until AFTER the Grand Jury had finished. This DNA was substantial and met the criteria the FBI requires to be listed in its COVIS Files.

[@achaladesilva7989]

We may never know what really happened but the parents sure did act strange

[@moisesperez4605]

The parents look too shady, first of all why would you call your friends and let them know that your daughter has been kidnapped? It’s obvious that if you tell your friends they’re gonna be at your house in droves. Of course that’s what they wanted, so they thought evidence could be erased, of what happen with that little girl. Parents look too guilty to me. They know more than what they said at the time.

[@ukmedicfrcs]

The ransom note was written by someone using their other hand ( I. E. If you're right handed you use your left hand ) don't believe me? Try it yourself and then compare it to the ransom note.

[@j.m.221]

exactly!!

[@tinadailey1297]

That Burke is who killed that baby girl , accident,the parents got scared didn't want their upscale name drug thru the mud, staged the rest. Very odd the dad went straight to the basement an came back with the baby girl, Burke interviewed as a kid, real strange real cold, no feelings at all. Weird. Among lots of other things....

[@jayvorheee7042]

Burke has social issues that's why hes strange

[@tinapresley4286]

Burke was to little and no way he killed his sister. com on man... get a brain

[@aztecaeaglemakingamericagr4248]

Without true journalists we will never have a democracy Free Julian Assange

[@andrewsayers3392]

So your child has been kidnapped and you invite all your friends over, and the scene then becomes contaminated this seems very suspicious, last thing I could face is friends and other people if my child was taken from me.

[@mildrena2415]

In my opinion,I feel one of the immediate family members did it, and the rest of the family members covered it up. Not to point fingers, but I honestly feel the brother may have done this and the parents covered for him. I mean ...who else and how eles? They left her there to die which defeats the purpose of a three page ransom note🥴

[@FukYourGod1]

It’s evident it was a family member in the house. The brothers seems really cold about it.. after not speaking publicly for over 20 years 🤔 I think they tried to save their last kid by covering it up

[@kristinbilicki1658]

I feel bad for the officer on duty who was left alone with all of it. She repeatedly asked for backup and no one came

[@veronicamatchett8227]

as she indicated in an interview, about 3 years later, she was the scapegoat --- when the police received the call there was a "kidnapping" they sent ONE officer to the scene and hours later, she's still there ALONE -- they destroyed that woman, check the video, she's strange and with good reason, she was slaughtered by the media

[@kristinbilicki1658]

@@veronicamatchett8227 I agree completely

[@EllieLenn-dh6el]

She was totally incompetent by instructing John to search the house on his own. It’s not just a mistake she made, it was either intentional or she has zero common sense, not to mention a total lack of professional training.

[@olenkagamboa1djb]

I don't want to judge people but it is not that their daughter was kidnapped, they knew already their daughter was murdered and they gave an interview like their daughter is at home. My mom would have freaked out and she would be crying asking for justice. They acted too calm, like if they have something to hide or someone is threating them, I just don't understand, they know the real killer.

[@samanthasmith837]

I just...... when a child is kidnapped like this statistically it’s someone known to the family. Weather it be a friend, neighbor, or hell even the plumber. The fact that friends were cleaning the house kills me as anyone of them could have done it, and were cleaning up their tracks. Just the day before they had a open house party and an estimated 500+ people were in and out of their house. People have since claimed that Jon the father had talked openly at the party about his bonus as he was planning something to spend it on. Anyone could have scoped out the house, talked with the father. Hell they could have talked to Jon Benét, and easily could have told her he would come back to see here. Hence no screams, and why she would have been up in the middle of the night eating. We will just never know because police incompetence, hell with how hard the police push for the parents it wouldn’t surprise me if one of their own might have done it and they were covering for them.

[@vernonfrance2974]

Samantha Smith I like your powers of reasoning. I have studied the case and the public information available. The evidence indicates it was someone known to the family, although they did not act alone. The length of the RN and the amount of detail it had from movies indicates that it was not written at the time of the crime, but some time before. It was just copied on to Patsy's pad using her pen by someone who was told where to locate them. That means this crime was premeditated. No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm wasn't on? And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY Here is an excellent resource to find out about all aspects of the crime: The Jonbenet Case Encyclopedia.

[@TBrl8]

So the note says if you involve cops your daughter is dead, and they call the cops within minutes of getting the note. The kidnappers could have been casing the house, and would have seen the cops come quite clearly. That is pretty suspicious. At least you would have to stop and think about signing your daughters death warrant within 3 minutes of getting the note. Who else would call the cops IMMEDIATELY?

[@zulyherreramonegro6827]

Word up

[@carolbenson6524]

Another episode on ABC but no new leads in the case...a two hour special that discussed everything we've heard before on the case. False advertising before this episode that made everyone think there were new developments on the case.

[@farmgal77]

That note was not written in a rush. There's a huge chunk of evidence missing from all this, either hidden, covered up, or cleaned up. I think the only way it will ever be solved is with a deathbed confession😔

[@janethardy3208]

I agree

[@vernonfrance2974]

farmgal77 The length of the RN and the amount of detail it had from movies shows that it was not written at the time of the crime, but some time before. It was just copied on to Patsy's pad using her pen by someone who was told where to locate them. That means this crime was premeditated. No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. Here is another indication that it was premeditated: "The day before Christmas, JonBenét was at our house playing with Megan. The kids were talking about Santa, getting all excited. I asked JonBenét if she had visited Santa Claus yet. She said, “Oh, Santa was at our Christmas party the other night.” Megan had seen Santa at the Pearl Street Mall, so we talked about that. Then JonBenét said, “Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas.” I thought she was confused. “Christmas is tonight,” I told her. “And Santa will be coming tonight.” “No, no,” JonBenét insisted. “He said this would be after Christmas. And it’s a secret.” -Barbara Kostanick " SCHILLER, "Perfect Town, Perfect Crime." No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm wasn't on? And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s (Chris Wolfe) ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm was off And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY

[@JoViiisss1087]

The police arrive fast because the address show it was a wealthy house.

[@sandymoonstone855]

. 0:25 it's a Ramsey ransom note

[@pattyshobbyworld2851]

Wasn't there a housekeeper...

[@fireflymiesumae]

The family are probably the ones

[@cappy2282]

The ransom note was so long because dude was in the basement "chillin for who knows how long" had plenty of time to kill (no pun intended)

[@valentinesolko4039]

Her Dad deffo knows who did it. I'm sure 1 of his "business" associates. He gave them access to her. As crazy as it sounds I'm going cover up. No way they didn't botch things that bad on purpose right?

[@valentinesolko4039]

Either that or the most unprepared kidnapper in history managed to get away with this. Sad fact we're ignoring is they are free to DO IT AGAIN.

[@dannabyrd2384]

Some words used in the ransom note are on the books stacked together in the Ramsey's home.

[@CherishzCancer26]

Why don they do the new DNA testing that looks for Familial DNA.

[@loridobos7174]

It has already been determined not to match anyone in the family.

[@blink-hy2pc]

whats scary is that at least one person in this world knows what happened, they could be out there, they could be watching this

[@HotDiggityDog]

“You lose track of time” “you’ve just been dealt a horrible deck of cards” Am I the only one who finds it weird that they said “you” instead of “we”?

[@09rja]

That note always threw me for a loop. Patsy Ramsey quoting from Dirty Harry? Not likely. And this stuff (addressed to him) about his "southern common sense"......he wasn't from the south. Patsy was. I think the guy just mistakenly thought he was too.

[@donnahague8983]

Anyone notice the big bruise on Her arm at 3:07 ...looks like a purple bruise from a bite...that’s weird.

[@davidarias9092]

My husband pointed that out yesterday and I had never noticed it before. She was being abused. The Grand Jury had it right.....they wanted to indict the parents for Abuse that ultimately led to murder.

[@destroyerofheroes]

I was just about to comment on this. It looks quite obvious in the photo.

[@hannahhelton3789]

Here’s the thing, it’s a lot more plausible and easier to say the parents did it than any other explanation. That’s why you start there, and then go from there.

[@dalerogrrs7787]

That family has to live with what they did, Carma does come around, in gods hand know

[@vernonfrance2974]

dale rogrrs How do you know they did it? The evidence indicates they didn't. The length of the RN and the amount of detail it had from movies indicates that it was not written at the time of the crime, but some time before. It was just copied on to Patsy's pad using her pen by someone who was told where to locate them. That means this crime was premeditated. No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm wasn't on? And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY

[@jessepoulter]

I find it suspicious af that before checking the house, there making calls to 911 and then why leave a ransom note if your going to leave the person your going to hold for ransom. I also find it odd that during the time that the cops where on the way they didnt check the house fully. And then to be a parent of a child that was abducted but not think to make sure evidence wasnt destroyed? you allow friends to come into the house and start cleaning... parent either did it or there son did it and the covered it up.

[@pettyracer8772]

The father did it and the mother is trying to keep her image smh

[@asterbelay1556]

I have a feeling that the parents know something.

[@mylxiong08]

Uh, why does everyone just jumped to "why would a kidnapper write a 3 page paper in the house?" Uh, maybe the kidnapper didn't? Maybe the kidnapper wrote the note prior to kidnapping?

[@sapphirefox8]

The note was written on a notepad belonging to Patsy.

[@mirabella2154]

Even then a kidnapper would NEVER write 3 pages... 🤦

[@paulmaul2186]

@@sapphirefox8 And using one of her pens.

[@bamababy860]

Why would they call all these people? I don't think that my first thought would be to call all my friends to come to my house if one of my kids were kidnapped. Call the police first and then wait. One of the family did it and they called all these people to confuse the crime scene.

[@edwardr5778]

It was the mom

[@Emy53]

The Ramseys invited people to help them. That entire house was contaminated. In a panic, I can see calling close friends and family to help.

[@tuphelo]

BURKE RAMSEY DID IT!

[@mummybunny331]

I saw a police lady thay was there...swear it was the father...She said his eyes were as cold as a shark...The 2nd of his daughters to die...

[@matthewramsey5239]

Agreed

[@beatmastert]

I think you did it.

[@tuphelo]

@@beatmastert sorry sir , I'm not John Mark Karr

[@tuphelo]

@@mummybunny331 lol yeah that lady detective.. watched that interview. She said she will never reveal who she suspects is the killer..

[@catherinenieves5106]

The letter says to not tell anyone and they called everyone they knew. Hmmm

[@zulyherreramonegro6827]

Word

[@annettebarlette9471]

Maybe she wS in the suit case while house being searched

[@dorapete4536]

How did she get out of the suitcase?

[@ChiTownGoatMontana5]

A three page Ransom note 📝 that’s very mysterious 🕵🏽‍♂️

[@vernonfrance2974]

The length of the RN and the amount of detail it had from movies shows that it was not written at the time of the crime, but some time before. It was just copied on to Patsy's pad using her pen by someone who was told where to locate them. That means this crime was premeditated. No one has ever suggested that the Ramsey's decided ahead of time to kill their daughter, even the biggest Ramsey haters. There is evidence that the person primarily responsible for the RN had a working knowledge of Patsy's expressions and some particulars about her handwriting. They also had some insider information about the amount of the Ransom Note equaling John's '95 Christmas bonus. Hmmm. Who could have had that inside information about Patsy's handwriting, known about JB's bed wetting, known the bonus John got, known to put the RN on the stairs where Patsy came down to make coffee in the morning, known the dog wasn't there, the alarm wasn't off. And most importantly, who would know that there was an in floor safe in the Wine Cellar Room where JB was found murdered. The answer: The same person who had identical pads and pens, black duct tape and white nylon cord as found in their house the very day of the murder, by the POLICE! Linda Pugh and her husband Mervyn. They were at the Ramsey home during Thanksgiving with the task of bringing the Christmas trees for the Open House upstairs to the different rooms. The place where they found those trees - the Wine Cellar Room with the in floor safe. Can you imagine what went through their heads when they contemplated what might be in that safe? ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and lots of it.) How to get access to it. They could enlist a couple of guys - one with the brains and the other with the muscle. Chris Wolf and Michael Helgoth. Here, if interested, is where you can find a lot more about them. someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html Handwriting comparison analysis shows someone who matched the writing. law.justia.com/.../distr.../FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ “For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note,” Judge Carnes wrote. “Plaintiff’s ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was ‘struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf’s) own handwriting,’ and believes that he is the note’s author.” imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4Cjonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community/post/the-%E2%80%98carol-mckinley-letter-sent-to-fox-news-by-chris-wolf-10460552 and See "Real Crime: The Death of the Pageant Queen, Part II" to discover this person's identity and involvement. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY

[@alynajaramillo7998]

HER BROTHER DID IT AND THE PARENTS COVERED IT UP!!!

[@MeMe40-w4z]

The parents feel so suspicious to me. I get a very awry weird suspicious feeling about them. Their responses just don't sound right. First off, why would you call the police if the note says if you call them your daughter will die? John Ramsey responds: I had to take action. Huh?? That action will get your child killed according to this "ransom" letter. This leads me to believe that JonBenèt's family knows what happened because they had involvement in her gruesome death and suffering or know the person who did this and are staying tight lipped.

[@melaniejulieta9766]

It was definitely the brother. I previously watched an interview with him and he was SMILING the whole time. Sounds suspicious.

[@pixiebezona]

Why would friends show up at the house, when it’s a crime scene??? Why on earth would you call your friends when you’re trying to figure out what’s happening with your child!?! That’s the last thing on my mind. And why didn’t the parents look into the basement even before calling the police?

[@zulyherreramonegro6827]

I'm asking my self the same question" why they called their friends? They probably were supposed to call other family members for support.

[@rommy143]

I’ve always wondered why, if the Ramseys called several of their friends and family to come to the house, why was there no attempt by any of these people to locate JonBenet? I mean, if you called these folks to supposedly “help,” wouldn’t you be heading in out in groups to search for her. Alternatively, given that they had the RAnsom note and maybe thought looking for her would be futile, shouldn’t have Jon been running around getting the money together and their affairs in order to comply with the Ransom? Yet, all of the reports I’ve heard about say that no one in that house said anything about complying with the ransom or the fact that the time stated for the phone call/demands from the kidnappers had come and gone. In fact, the woman officer states that she told Jon and his friend to comb through the house just to give them something to do. There is no way that was a legit Ransom note if that’s the case. To me, that points away from the intruder theory.

[@willmartinez5496]

A long note shows it was preplanned and may have been written in advance; probably someone close to family