Abd al-Malik's Menorah Coin!!! Paul Ellis & Mel

[@TheThornbird21]

Great Job making time to attend those events. 👏 Thanks for the valuable info ❤️

[@jondoe7936]

Not only the events all he learns he shares FOR FREE too these 2 will and are history in the making literally even the camera guy will not be forgotten for his work 👍

[@yazanburghol8888]

You mean misleading trash talk

[@jondoe7936]

@@yazanburghol8888 😭👈🏼🤣😅😂😅 Would you like something to sit on 😅😂🤣😂

[@TheThornbird21]

@@yazanburghol8888 You’re mistaking those guys for the guardians of the Islamic cult, Millions of dollars are spent on safekeeping the lies. Wake up and smell the truth, it’s ugly but you’ll get used to it!

[@yazanburghol8888]

@@TheThornbird21 are you serious here, jew dont believe in Jesus even though they believein musas, and Christians dont believe in Mohammad even though Muslims believein Jesus. The Bible is not the world of God and not 100% reliable source of information. Its so automatically normal that God sends another prophet with a book that can be trust worthy. What else can be done when the msg is corrupted. The Bible is not the original word of God given to prophet Jesus. People are worshipping the cross and Jesus and his mother same as pagans. Moreover Christians ask dead saints to help them and to give them health and wealth ..... it does not sound as a something i can build my believe on. Most of what the church does now will surprise Jesus him self if he came back. It is now totally man made and went too far

[@margahe9157]

Wonderful! Wunderful!!!! And useful to introduce people to this important research!

[@paulellis5101]

Thank you. I am glad you enjoyed it. It was a fun day out

[@lydiaanello6208]

Most excellent

[@jondoe7936]

Definitely 100%

[@oleo.stimes6525]

Just a clarifying point in passing. The Protestant understanding is that rock upon which Jesus builds his church is the confession Peter made, "you are the Christ the Son of the Living God." No physical rock or personal designation, although Peter means rock or "Rockie" so there is a great play on words in the New Testament Greek.

[@aericabison23]

The Greek word for rock, as in a large boulder, is “Petra”. The word “Peter” or “Petros” refers to a stone or small rock. Jesus Christ is doing two things when He made the declaration about the rock- He affirms Peter’s apostolic authority, while at the same time asserting that his apostolic authority is a mere contributing factor to the foundation of the Church, which itself is based on the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. Both “Petros” and “Petra” are used in the original Greek text.

[@abi8428]

This is wondeful teaching. Thanks gentlemen.

[@ken440]

over all despite what I said below this is an excellent expose on the SIN. Thanks Mel.

[@galates5366]

Sourate 12.10: They ˹later˺ sold him (Joseph the patriarch1300 BC) for a cheap price, just a few dirhams (in Arabic Quran = dirhams and not silver coins). The first dirham, (an Arabic currency) was not introduced until 661 AD. What a monumental error of the Koran.

[@historyinobjects]

The Arabs used the term dirham to refer to silver Persian Sasanian drachmas (coins) that circulated in Arabia and the term dinar to refer to Byzantine gold coinage that circulated in Arabia. How pathetic, thinking you're onto something with your ignorance haha

[@galates5366]

@@historyinobjects No, the Dirham is used in the Qur'an. It is Allah who mentions the Dirham, he did not know that in Joseph's time money was money in pieces weighed and not counted. The dirhams did not exist yet, doesn't Allah know that?

[@historyinobjects]

The dirham is simply a reference to silver coinage and not a specific denomination. How dumb can you be? read the first response. @@galates5366 They even called the Sasanian drachmas as dirhams, even though their denomination wasn't called dirhams. They even used the word dirham to refer to Himyarite (Yemeni) silver unit coins, which were not called dirhams but this shows that this term is used to refer to silver coinage in general. Do not argue with little to no knowledge, you're just embarrassing yourself.

[@Repent4JesusChrist]

Keeping it 💯 thanks Mel👌

[@OdonLafontaine]

A coin from the 1st century of Islam? Easy: any coin from after the mid 9th cent., which was definitely the 1st cent. of Islam since the religion of the caliphs cannot be called Islam before Ibn Hisham's sira

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out Paul's interview on Mythvision kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJTNq59nhpynd9k

[@criticali4590]

Either I misspoke or there was an unfortunate edit. I meant to say a coin from the first century 'featuring the Ka'aba'. Still, I am enormously grateful to SOCO for filming, editing and hosting our conversation.

[@Moroccanpaul]

Not Abbasid coins please

[@historyinobjects]

There are countless Umayyad coins from the first century of Islam, there are even some from the reign of the Rashidun caliphs. What are you on about?

[@ericjackson952]

Thank you guys for the research

[@SzTz100]

Another amazing video

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

Great video and useful as usual guys , thanks👍 Hey Mel, Hajj (חג/ ܚܓ/حج) is in a linguistic basis a revolving around something, and then it took on a religious meaning.. something similar to the movement of the earth around the sun as well as surrounding something.

[@IslamicOrigins]

We were conscious that a lot of people need an overview, especially those who have never heard any of this before. I hope it was accessible. I think Paul did a brilliant job. His recall of details is impressive.

[@jondoe7936]

@@IslamicOrigins Mel can you please ask channels to share your new one here as I'm sure a lot of people just think your gone if it wasn't for Al Fadi I wouldn't of known as he mentioned you and origins etc other than that I would not of had a clue I even searched n searched n searched to no avail my bro and if not for Al Fadi I wouldn't be here now so please ask our brother's and sister's to share this because new info always brings new info as good brings good ? Bless my brother and good Job from you Paul and JC Alrite 🙏🏻

[@IslamicOrigins]

@@jondoe7936 I will be on Al Fadi this Wednesday so I will get the word out again.

[@jondoe7936]

@@IslamicOrigins Cool Thanks 👍

[@thebrokencross2234]

@@jondoe7936 Hello Bro...What so special of the coin that you have? Do you still keeping a coin with Jesus head on it? If you don't, then how do you know his existence? How do come into conclusion that Kaaba did not exist in the early history of Islam based on your coins' history?. These Christian men look so desperate with stupid coin ideas as their evidence to dismiss Islam. They really nowhere to go coz Bible already proven to have many holes of contradictions and more contradictions that cannot be patched up anymore! Hence, we have many Church become Mosques and some they maintain to become House of Dracula.

[@simonhengle8316]

Patiently waiting for Paul's early Mecca date👍

[@gentz8310]

Surah 33:56 Al-Lah prays.End of Islam

[@aerisscallon9730]

Allah prays

[@Moroccanpaul]

Mashallah he prays to me 🤲🏻

[@AliveSince1975]

Very good observation. Ad, Thamud and various other places named in the Quran seems to be well known places to the initial audience.

[@GilesMcRiker]

K , alot of mistakes here: 1) there is no holiday or Temple ritual associated with shaving or cutting hair. The shorning of hair only applies to those who have self-imposed the nazarite vow at the conclusion of his 7 year vow and is not associated with any particular holiday. 2. The Hebew wiord "Chag" simply means holiday/festival. 3. There was no circumambulation of the temple. At the conclusion of Sukkoth, on a holiday called Hishanah Rabbag, there was a ritual of circumambulating within the temple (willow ritual) 4. On the holiday of Sukkot/ Hoshanna Rabba, Jews incorporate the "Arbah Minnim" (4 species) in their morning prayers, comprised of a Lulav (palm branch), hadass (myrtle), aravah (willow), and etrog (citron, which looks like a slightly larger and bumpier lemon) -- not Garland's-- which they hold in their hands ( the lulav, hadass and aravah bundle together in one hand and the eyrog in the other). Thus while I don't deny the general thrust of the argument, drawing a connection to these rituals is completely spurious

[@stevenbennett9455]

The battle of the trench was obviously Belisarius' defense of Dara against the Persians.

[@simonhengle8316]

Hi Mel; I know I'm being a pain, but I thinks Paul mentioned he found an earlier date for Mecca? anymore info on that would be great, along with his coin, all the best Simon

[@IslamicOrigins]

Thank you for reminding me. I completely forgot he had said that. I hope to have him on as soon as I have a free evening to do so.

[@simonhengle8316]

@@IslamicOrigins Thank you Mel 👍

[@simonhengle8316]

These are great conversations and I'm learning a lot. I like a lot about what Paul has to say, but I confess to have ? about some of his stuff. Why does Paul say the coin was produced by a Muslim? the term Allah was used by Christians, and surely 'There is no God but Allah' could be an anti-trinitarian Christian saying? Also who does Paul think Mohammad is? he's obviously not 'The Prophet of Islam' as you both say, but whom?

[@simonhengle8316]

Hello Mel a quick question (I know it's not particularly relevant to the vid), is Surah 48:24 a later interpolation?

[@rashidaquil5284]

Islam conquered Syria and Persia in end of first century so coins are not there ... hmmm that's odd

[@simonhengle8316]

One thing that springs to mind, having re-watched the video, is how sure can Paul be it was a Muslim that minted the coin? because 'There is no God but Allah' was used by Arab anti trinitarian Christians,

[@benmoi3390]

the story of hagar and ismael are jewish haggadah... they aren'T in the bible but are parts of legend and folklore among jews of that time.

[@MrChemenger]

This Jerusalem thesis is sounding convincing, but what if Petra could he comment on that

[@leedza]

I don't know. Considering the amount of activity around Jerusalem and construction of the Dome on the rock, I am reasonably convinced that Jerusalem was a priced location at least for the first Arab rulers. Now a possibility is that the Arabs who conquered Jerusalem came from Petra and other areas around Jerusalem

[@emilelondon]

I'm confused ...How the sofa and Marwa from Dan Gibson? His to me seems the correct one .

[@IslamicOrigins]

There is no 7th century evidence of this in Petra, IE Safa and Marwa.

[@emilelondon]

@@IslamicOrigins in one of dan Gibson videos , he showed a safe and Marwa mountains in Petra

[@abj136]

@@emilelondon He can point to mountains, and refer to them as Safa and Marwa, but what’s the archaeological attestation to these name there?

[@valentino3228]

​@@abj136What's the archaeological evidence pointing out to Mecca?

[@Bam1078]

You can watch persian period coin where kalma of islam writtrn on it

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Hi Mel.why don't u put up a £ contribution logo on this site,so people,if they fancy,can say thanks to ypu with a little donation. Alexander Thomas has a £ contribution logo up on his utube site.

[@akiehss.gnibmum651]

Talk to islam schoolars. Not to random guys with lack of knowledge about islam.

[@markaxworthy2508]

As a matter of interest, when was the first Christian coin minted?

[@IslamicOrigins]

316 AD, a coin under Constantine I, had a cross on it in acknowledgement of an end to hostilities towards Christians. The Armenians started the first Christian country in 301, but didn't mint coins. Coins are only relevant for Islam, as the SIN claims that there were Muslim rulers in the 7th century whereas Christianity remained a minority religion under persecution until the 4th century.

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@IslamicOrigins Thanks. You pre-empted my follow up questions.

[@aaabrams1889]

Mel, ask the Muslims at your Sneakers Corner ...and make a video of that instead of giving one side of the coin, sorry STORY.

[@IslamicOrigins]

A lie does not count as a side. You are a master at lies. You have zero credibility.

[@fellowtraveller1071]

The coin doesn't mention Muhammad? There is no God but Allah, full stop? Oh dear! Isn't that what the Samaritans used to say?

[@historyinobjects]

The copper coinage styles were not standardized by the Umayyad government but rather were left to local governorates to determine, unlike the silver dirhams and the gold dinars. And even with that, the so-called menorah is not a certain attribution, and most sources, most importantly the Checklist of Islamic Coins (the most important reference on Islamic coins by Stephen Album) cites the type as being an image of a mosque's dome, as this was around the time that the dome of the rock was built. Your so-called "Islamic Researcher" fails miserably at any genuine research.

[@PhilOutsider]

Catholics are still calling Mary the Ark of the Covenant in the Litany of Loreto, for example.

[@blackraven0109]

Yes any problem with that

[@jondoe7936]

PS WE ARE ALLL 1 BODY OF Jesus Christ Almighty ok again WE ARE 1 ok

[@emmanuelmasih2296]

@@jondoe7936 we are not all one :D The catholic church makes it explicit. It pronounces curses, damnations and anathemas on anyone who disagrees with them. The catholic church claims their god comes down at the order of their priest in humble obediences and hangs himself on the cross every week In his Catholic church approved book 'The Faith of Millions', John O’Brien, a Catholic priest, explains the procedure of the mass. "When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man-not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command. "

[@emmanuelmasih2296]

catholics, antichristian talmudic jews and muslims are brothers in their pagan idolatry and blasphemies...

[@jondoe7936]

@@emmanuelmasih2296 There's Clear Proof of what and who you are STOP promoting YOUR BOOK of lies ok

[@life4all2enjoy]

I wonder if they have read the Quran in full.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Who's they?

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

This is actually in agreement with the Islamic narrative, Abdulmalik is the first Khaliph to mint coins. Before that, they used the coins of the previous empires Roman (with crosses) and Persian with Zoroastrian symbols. ws the early Muslims Zoroastrians too?

[@TingTong2568]

It is commiting shirk to use other religion's symbol in islam. So it is haram. But all these early muslim rulers were using it openly

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

@@TingTong2568 religion changes over time, we all know that nothing new.

[@ken440]

all good on the islam stuff Mel, and I greatly appreciate it, but weird churchianity stuff about half way through with speculation on mary being the ark of the covenant. hmmmmm.... Pure religious speculation as the "new covenant" is not the "new testament". The old covenant must be defined to speak of any new one, there were various covenants and this "old covenat, new covenant" thing is church speak. The land covenant with Abraham still stands, that of the land of promise to the decendents of Abraham. But the Law covenant with Moses was broken by the Jews and the death of Jesus fulfills the purpose of the law (law which kept israel apart from "the nations" corruption at Babel, as a genetic pipeline to fulfill Gen3:15, the promised seed of the woman) so at crucifixion begins "A new covenant in his blood" ( A new covenant Jesus said. In his blood. As the lamb of God killed on a jubilee passover, his blood becomes the covering that any who come under it will be saved) so begins the new era, the christian era, but the broken Law covenant isnt replaced by us Christians, because the law covenant wasnt with non jews, ( 'the new covenant' will have to be with those who broke the old), Jews, complete with the still standing land covenant, and will be fulfilled in the millennium at the Eskaton, after Jesus returns, when the patriachs are resurrected and finally inherit the land. We christians are "the fullness of the gentiles coming in" while the Jews have a partial blindness over them (scripture says this in one of Pauls epistles) and at the moment all who call upon the name, or in other words "come under the blood of the lamb" (like at first passover which was before law) are "new creations" neither Jew nor Gentile, but are "one new man." And are destined to be raised and rule the nations with Christ, as new "sons of God." Not as Jews. Also you implied that the black rock on mt Moriah was the rock Jesus said he would build his church on. Do you know where he said that? it was Ceasaria Phillipi, in Bashan way to the north, outside israeli territory, at Mt Hermon. A big rock which in Hebrew tradition the rebel sons of God left their first estate and made a pact of rebellion against YHWH on, and on which (a high mountain just outside Ceasaria Phillipi) Jesus was transfigured on. So he might have been speaking of Peter, or himself, or indeed the place of rebellion that he was nullifying, which was a big rock indeed, where he was saying it. Just a thoughtful interlude on that one.

[@ken440]

Mell. At 40:25 for the next few minutes, have a critical think about your words re the god head of that festival. listen to what you say 40:35 about the 'Mesopotamian TRILLOGY of gods" and have a careful think about the "trinity" that most of christianity is based on. You pointed out the error of the muslims here, what about the error of trinity that us unitarian Christians keep trying to warn the church majority about???? And think about majority/minority. At crucial points in biblical narrative, Enoch, Noah, Babel, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Israel as a nation, David, each prophet, Jesus, each apostle, we see that the majority are wrong. Its a very strong biblical theme, majority run off into religion. God is always calling out a small group of "those with an ear to hear" which you are doing against the obvious falsehood if Islam, but we can also have a plank in our own eye.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Unitarianism is not from God. Its an error. The first Christians, the Church Fathers were taught correctly from the apostles,

[@ken440]

@@IslamicOrigins i hope you are not confusing us with universalists, who have usurped the term "unitarian" into their "unitarian universalists" title, much like islam has usurped biblical narrative into their SIN. or as you point out, corrupted their earlier more biblical truth into a fabrication. Im with you on that. Dont be too quick on claiming error to those who are pointing out similar things in the common church narrative. There is a very credible group of accredited academics and focused individuals like yourself doing work of drawing out evidence every bit as much as your confederates do with islam. There is one spiritual force against a true understanding of God, and that group, in the unseen realm, are working in all religions, in fact "religion" is their favourite vessel to confuse and blind us. We must tread very carefully and double and triple check our steps at all times, which I did causing me to see my 38 years of erroneous belief, which now looking back is obvious. blessings, I only seek to set you on yet firmer rock. I am not your enemy bro.

[@ken440]

@@IslamicOrigins another thought Mel, a few years ago I read a secular history of the middle east by an American author called "The Silk Roads." (it covered world commerce actually) That author pointed out that in the first five centuries AD especially after Constantine, that the majority of christians of the east, especially Persia, were unitarian in belief. This occurred because after Constantines councils, his predecessor Theodosius made the teaching of only trinity a law of the empire, under pain of death or exile, and all the non trinity christians who were not killed fled east into Persia which was much more accepting of various religious beliefs at the time. There became a separation of the christians of the east, scattered, versus the christians of the west under Rome. This is at the roots of the very issues you are exploring. And it was these unitarian christians (being naturally a majority of christians in Persia), and Jews, who were the target of the new kid on the block, so called Muhammad. This was one of the things which began to make me examine my own understandings of what being christian meant. That and a deeper study of scripture resulted in a better understanding, and some very blatant mistranslation ( when compared to the original Greek and Hebrew of our NT and OT). Some of it is so obvious it beggars belief that folk dont see it! Most christians just accept the SCN, the std christian narrative. Hence my comments about Majority/Minority. Anyway, what I am saying is that these issues are intertwined with your studies, and point to smoke and mirrors on many fronts, not Just Islams, and hostile reactions from folk we point these things out to who are entrenched in their std narratives is par for the cause. I am appealing to you to expand yours wider than that you have already done. I really appreciate the work you and your friends are doing, and please dont kick me off your channel, but I say there is a wider picture beyond your end of the frame. I will not hassle you any further here, i am not trolling, but may make a comment now and again.

[@yazanburghol8888]

I challenge Paul to meet shaik uthman farooq. I promise you that you will be educated very well. I lost respect from beginning, please challange face to face not wasting people time with your very clear ignorance

[@danielyardley9036]

Ibn farooq is a liar who copies and pastes footnotes and lies and says they are hadith don't believe me watch dcci on here.

[@jondoe7936]

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[@jondoe7936]

Do you need a sit ?

[@jondoe7936]

Or you need zam zam milk 🥛 😂😅🤣😅👈🏼

[@yazanburghol8888]

@@jondoe7936 man this is smth serious related to the people belief, you cant just joke about it or make a misleading videos about it. You gotta be authentic

[@CarolineGold]

'Masjid Al-Haram' should really be corrected to 'Masjid of God (of) the Son(s)'', as per the 'hidden' 'Trinity' of Islam! That settles the location of the place. ......... and It's not the one in America! 😉

[@houssemayadi6992]

there is no hidden trinity in islam caroline .. do me a favor and watch this 7mn video , then come back to me with an opinion and i'll happily discuss it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpPRo5uHo5yXos0

[@solohan2k780]

keep dreaming lol

[@houssemayadi6992]

@@solohan2k780 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpPRo5uHo5yXos0 , read what the conversation between god and jesus at the day of jusdgment. ''our father who are in heaven'' , remember this line while you'Re reading, if this doesnt convince you , then oh allah be mywitness , i have i have relayed the message.

[@CarolineGold]

@@solohan2k780 😴😴😴 God speaks thru dreams, dear bruda! 😄

[@houssemayadi6992]

@@CarolineGold proof , or at least one of them , a documentary done by the chineese , then dubbed to russian audiences, then re translated to english for the world to see . a book with thousands of scientific , mathematical , linguistic and historical miracles relayed to us by a man who is illiterate . kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5nbqKyspLGAi6M Caroline , skeptisism is a sign of a healthy mind , and from all people i see commenting on this post you're the one i feel are the closest to the truth. not neccessarealy my truth, but THE truth. i pray that god guides to him and opens your heart to see him for who he truly he is , but the first step and the first question must come from you . and if you ever o know who god is , i only ask of you to remember me with a prayer. here's a little hack , say this in your heart and be truthful in saying it ('' God , you , the one who hears this prayer spoken from the heart , the one that created me from nothing and the one to whom i'll return when i die , i ask of you in the honor of every name you have named yourself with , and every blessing you have blessed me with whether i was aware of it or not , and every evil you have kept me away from , weather i was aware of it or not , to open my heart to your truth , to lead me to you and only you , and to shine a light on me that i'll never get lost after seeing it . oh god , i'll leave the how and when to you , you are the allmighty and all knowing , i only pray you dont hold your mercy , and the blessing of your worship from me. ] if you say this and you truly mean it , then i garantee you that wish will come true , and wherever the path leads you after that , know that its the absolute truth.

[@beurselfeasy]

To guys chatting to them self , yeah one and half billion are all wrong and you are right 😊

[@CarolineGold]

One (or two) + God is majority over Half Billion.

[@beurselfeasy]

@@CarolineGold yeah to you is God but to me that you believe in is just human

[@CarolineGold]

@@beurselfeasy Is Mohammed human or God?

[@beurselfeasy]

@@CarolineGold Muhammad is human just like Jesus is human

[@CarolineGold]

@mysotiras 011 You obviously don't understand how 'mathematical miracles' work. 1.5m is greater than 6m, and this concept is used in determining who wins elections in many countries. 😆😌