About the Thing with THESE Pokemon... 😬💕

[@Gnoggin]

Correction/Clarification! The Ainu creation story I mentioned would be more accurately described as "a regional Ainu myth from Shizuani and Hidaka" rather than it being from the Ainu more broadly, who have a different origin story. It's also possible that this version of the tale was purposefully corrupted to make the Ainu appear more barbaric... Historic Japan-Ainu relations are just about as bad as Colonial US - Native American relations. Another thing to keep in mind, the stories as we have them now are just machine translated, so we may not have the most accurate versions. Also, I just learned that apparently the Nickelodeon and Disney vaults are full of this kind of thing, but like actually drawn out by official artists. It's apparently pretty common... strange. Albeit they were done for different reasons.

[@crcoghill]

Spit honestly from what I read. IPs not being kept to the original creators and, thus, "those" arts are there in the world as a "screw you" to the company. I welcome it.😂

[@yaboipktendo]

Disney owning Kim Possible corn Was never something i wanted to know but i do

[@a_squirrel123]

For educational purposes, where could I find one of these leaked nickelodeon or disney drawings?

[@Incineroarlove]

People aren't mentioning froslass because it has existed for so long

[@rileysvoid1752]

Plot twist it was just arcues acting like zeus this whole time

[@alejandromunizflores1714]

Pokémon Fans discovering these tales: 😮 Mythology scholars: First time?

[@Koc3813]

"And then along came Zeus"

[@bluekirby_64]

​@@Koc3813 Emphasis on "came"

[@SingingSealRiana]

​@@Koc3813helen is said to have hatched from an egg for a reason

[@YonackDreven]

You don't even need to be a scholar, just have a mild interest in reading myths and folklore

[@4restFinders]

The Disney reference makes this comment better​ @@Koc3813

[@truegreen7]

I never wanted a video of yours to go more viral than this one, so that the message is finally clear.

[@pinthusaanvijinthan9474]

I want to see you make some of the beta Pokémon into actual viable Pokémon. Could make it into a dope sires.

[@castform7]

I would like to say "you and me both" to both the initial comment, and the reply.

[@DragonspineInfiniteZero]

I shared it to Twitter already, let’s spread it like wild fire and maybe people will learn something…

[@Lupinemancer87]

Totally agree!

[@justicemcintosh3294]

Hi Ron I’m a huge fan of your videos they inspire me to create and improve my art!

[@Glory2Snowstar]

Vaporeon, you are relieved of your duties. This is no longer your curse to bear.

[@Inkspeed]

Please Arceus let us poor souls who like Vaporeon rest

[@dontestevens4831]

Vaporeon passing the straw hat to typhlosion

[@balintdoczi7405]

Alphared van finally tell vaporeon is his favorite pokemon without wierd looks from people.

[@nicolasmiranda1598]

Y'all don't understand, Vaporeon isn't passing it on to Typhlosion, Vaporeon's just sharing it with him.

[@Subreon]

nah don't worry. vaporeon still the best. particularly male vaporeons uwu

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

As a commission artist myself, I've had to witness the front lines of this "fan artist civil war." It got so bad the first few days that artists who had ever drawn a Typhlosion ONCE in their entire online career, NO MATTER the context, were getting threats from other artists. It started the movement "NotAllTyphlosions." People who had Typhlosion characters or even Typholsion Pokesonas were so harassed many contemplated quitting drawing completely. Humans are dumb. Plus everyone seems to be missing the MUCH more concerning issue about the leaks. It wasn't just beta designs and concept art that got released. Many of the developers had their home addresses and personal information leaked too. I think we can all agree that people being doxxed is a MUCH bigger problem than some kinda odd concept art that was never meant to be published getting leaked.

[@En_Joshi-Godrez]

None of this is happening. Take your medication

[@TeleportRush]

we shouldn't talk about doxxing, we should try to bury it by talking about typhlosion. the more known it is, the more dangerous it is.

[@elplaceholder]

To be honest, everyone is focused in the weird stories, so hopefully the devs will be fine

[@Moki389]

I wish I was an artist. I would troll them back with so much typhlosion fun that they would be the ones to cry lol

[@elplaceholder]

@Moki389 you cank just send them links to typhlosion rule 34

[@JWillicus]

People have now translated the Typhlosion myth without a machine and the story is wildly different. It’s actually nearly a 1:1 of a story about a shapeshifting badger yokai that’s a hermit who shelters a girl. It’s very similar to Beauty and the Beast, and the moral of the story is that humans are sometimes worse than monsters. This story also made it into the official games under “Sinnoh Folk Story 2” which is extremely simplified. Side note: the Ursaring story is also in the games as “Veilstone’s Myth,” but also simplified with almost all details removed.

[@JamesDavy2009]

Many a cautionary tale has been told about humans being more monstrous than the beings they see as monsters. The moral of _Frankenstein_ is but one tale.

[@Korricat]

I asked for the end of Vaporeon bullying, now my favorite Fire starter and Lapras are getting bullied. Don't ask Mankey's Paw for anything.

[@elijahboyd2758]

Maybe aipom’s palm could work

[@TheSeeingman]

Or next thing you know it's Infernape's paw curling

[@harry.t9523]

I’m sorry buddy. But while Vaporeon was an innocent victim…

[@MystiaLore]

OK, others pokemon going NSFW with humans I get the idea, but what's the deal with Vaporeon specifically ?

[@TheSeeingman]

@@MystiaLore Ever seen the copy pasta? Or heard?

[@ImMargon]

"When hundreds of degenarates create tons of the most disturbing Pokémon p*rn there is... nobody bats an eye... But when I explore myths and legends with soft references to sexual relations to create intriguing and rich stories... Everyone loose their minds!!!" Game the Freak probably-

[@saucymongoose7246]

That's what I'm saying

[@thomasvullings97]

Hundreds? Thats cute.

[@castform7]

(for lack of a better term) official always means worse, no matter the context unfortunately.

[@Kanerudo]

People love drama and they love being stupid. I read the 6 stories (he forgot to mention the Arceus one) and yes, they sound like typical japanese myths. If it weren't for the censorship of the west, those stories might have actually made it into the games.

[@petrmatejka4945]

I love the ones that go - how dare they put stuff like this in games for children?! ... They didn't and probably weren't even planning to, what's the point?

[@LamangoKaijura]

Typhlosion's story is literally the story of the Kadai Bear. They literally just crossed out 'bear' and put Typhlosion.

[@eduardosolistinoco9698]

Interesting, can you give me a source? Google is failing me, just showing results for toys and kids video farm. Hopefully by showing that story my discord will finally chill out

[@connor6054]

The slakoth story is also based on a real world story, not even a mythological one. It's called the Sloth Bear of Mysore.

[@connor6054]

the sex stuff was added by game freak though, the original story is just the vengeful sloth

[@LamangoKaijura]

@@connor6054 I could have sworn it was a similar yokai story involving monkeys.

[@Jake38nine]

KAdai-PHLOSION!

[@JD-iu6rv]

This whole situation is funny because it shows who’s been pressing “A” to speed through dialogue. The stories are odd but the amount of times I’ve heard the phrase “When did the games ever do this?!” while watching reaction videos is telling. It’s like dude they’ve always alluded to dark and weird things. It’s not super heavy but it’s there

[@TheKabuto90]

Someone should tell these people to sit down and slowly go through and read every pokedex entry. The pokedex can be absolutely horrifying, mostly with ghost types but at times even outside of that. Legends Arceus especially is full of horrifying and sometimes amusing entries, which makes sense all things considered but still...

[@dhampir_days]

reminds me of the guy complaining that he didn't know Lusamine was over 40 or Hau was related to Hala. what skipping dialogue does to a mfer.

[@nataliecoronado4206]

@@dhampir_days reminds me of Alpharad button mashing through the entire Team Star arc in SV and made up an entire story that was the complete opposite of what was actually happening in game

[@RadenWA]

Drifloon has been “having relations with children in a way that they cannot come back after” since 2006 and nobody been canceling it One Typhlosion did it to just one girl of unknown age and the internet loses its mind

[@JamesDavy2009]

@@TheKabuto90 As Linkara put it, "Cubone wears the skull of its dead mother, Kadabra was once a human child, Yamask was a human soul that carries the mask of its once-living face." Others include: the shock from Spoink's bouncing keeps its heart beating, Naclstack dehydrates its prey and the less said about Salazzle the better.

[@squidrecluse2336]

Game Freak: "It is in canon lore that some pokemon will kidnap and brutally murder innocent children!" Internet: "Ha ha, funny kids game. Game Freak: "Oops, some unofficial non canon writings meant to be indicative of ancient mythologies accidentally got leaked." Internet: "How dare you include such vile filth in this children's game!"

[@Kowalski_at-Bayern]

There's a difference between sex and murder

[@squidrecluse2336]

​@@Kowalski_at-Bayern Yes, thank you. While the majority of people will already be aware of that fact, it may be important to state the obvious for others. You see, the joke was that society in general is less critical of acts of violence and killing in the media. Sometimes even treating depictions of brutal murder as a genre of entertainment. Meanwhile sex, which certainly can at times be depicted as gratuitous and vulgar, is much more of a natural act of life. Myself and the majority of human society has and will engage in intercourse, where as considerably fewer comparatively have taken the life of another person. Despite those difference, many societies feel it more important to censor even minor suggestions of sex, rather than acts of violence. I apologize for not including this detailed synopsis within my original post. I struggled to include it while also maintaining the comments comedic rhythm. Feel free to go back and reread the joke. It might be funnier now that it's been explained.

[@MasterHeracross]

@@Kowalski_at-Bayern Yeah ones a horrendous crime, and the other is just life.

[@rodrigoandorinha9259]

@@Kowalski_at-Bayern The octopus liked it , it even got back to the shore and they did it again I dont know why the guy didnt just take it home or something. But whatever

[@vibinmikegothyped3270]

​@@Kowalski_at-Bayern well, there's obviously a difference between creating humans and eliminating humans, amirite? you ain't wrong

[@doesmoes]

The only person online that's able to tackle this scandal in a mature and respectful manner! Wonder what you'll have to say :)

[@fishnewt1331]

5:14 *Cues the your mom joke* Lmao, he at least handles it better than most.

[@hiddenflare6169]

8:20 Respectful? Debatable. Mature? I’m not so sure about that buddy XD.

[@toasteroven6761]

Yeah, it's nice that he also gives additional info and context in the pinned comment (like even Disney doing stuff like this as well), considering this is a international leak, there is controversy surrounding it, and there isn't much else to go off of other than the stories themselves and common writing practices, so it's always useful. Speaking of the controversy, just remember, there are many ways to create things and many inspirations to choose from, and this is yet another common methodology of inspiration applied to rather explicit material from an age where morality wasn't taken as seriously as it is today [at least in most modern western-aligned regions that is], and if you disagree with the specific methodology like I do, use that energy to create or write something that doesn't use the same methods used here, there're plenty of inspiring works out there to choose from! Anyways just my 2 cents while the world is on fire and the internet imploding with controversy after controversy, drama after drama. Thanks for Reading.

[@Neon-Starr]

Rye toast was pretty respectful too!! Though he didn’t go into as much depth on the stories as he did on the Pokémon origins.

[@KokoroFrog]

As someone who loves real world mythology I think it’s funny how everyone’s like “eww implied relations with Pokémon? How disturbing!” And Greek mythology is over here like: 😐

[@evangeloevoxi]

Omg and Egyptian and Norse mythology, and basically all mythologies lol 😅

[@Zetact_]

Random horses, sloths, and octopods are almost never the focus of this sort of subject matter in mythology, and if they are it's clearly defined as an abomination rather than something the writer is getting off to.

[@EtaryaFae]

People freaking out over fade to black implied sex, yet there's a woman in Colosseum who's boyfriend is Mightyena, and she returns in the sequel with a Poochyena 😂😅

[@Nitosa]

​@Zetact_ horses.... My guy the amount of mythology that involve them getting action with man or god is a lot...

[@OneShot-nu6nj]

i cannot wait for the pokemon world eqvueiloent of Greece.

[@rekaraker]

1:13 Hearing you describe yourself as this, I realized that you are basically the realworld equivalent to a Pokemon Professor.

[@zamarion101]

Quite literally

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

According to the Pokedex, we have Hypno luring children into forests, Drifloon abducting children (and having a distaste for large children), a young kid one day waking up as an Abra, and Salazzle forming a reverse harem with Male Salandits... I want to say I'm surprised, but...

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

The first was only one incident and the third was already proven to be a mistranslation from the PokeDex Encyclopedia

[@JamesDavy2009]

Dusknoir acting as literal grim reapers, looking into Uxie's open eyes causes total retrograde amnesia, naked Mimikyu causing near instant death on sight, Houndoom's flames causing chronic burns that are incurable, Bombirdier dropping things from up high, Cutiefly pokes those having fun with its proboscis, Beheeyem is implied to abduct Dubwool and has the ability to control memories, etc.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@JamesDavy2009 90% of those are urban legends and it's still different from Slakoth torture and rape

[@lilharm]

people are going “Gamefreak is full of gooners” but like, isn’t it likely these were all written by one person? and it’s abundantly clear that they’re based on real world mythology…

[@MasterBotttle]

"Moral Puritants" on Twitter then got more extreme by Drama Channels (Tabloid Channels) that makes Slop daily.

[@grunkleg.2934]

It was all written by one person, a woman actually. People never expect a woman to get a little freaky. EDIT: From recent evidence I've seen, looks like the original author was someone who wrote Pokedex entries, and he's a guy. The second half of my original comment still applies.

[@spoopyghost3333]

Even if these stories were written by more than one person (i know it one person) than so far at most, it might be five whole people, by golly. Even then, I dunno how big Game Freak is, but it sure is way more than five. And I have read someone on Tiktok that Game Freak, like the whole company, deserves to get arrested. Which... what?

[@noone12748]

I see people always say they are based on real stories, but why did they choose THESE types of stories

[@bricecube320]

@@grunkleg.2934 In my experience its the female artists who go the hardest on fetishy stuff.

[@tefnutofhoney2832]

Another important thing to consider. Even if these did make it to a game. They still wouldnt be something that 100% actually happened. Theyre myths. Myths are often intended as symbolism more than claiming something directly happened

[@castform7]

To be fair, there are a group of Pokemon called Mythicals. I totally get what you're saying but there are a lot of cases in Pokemon where myth=truth.

[@tefnutofhoney2832]

@@castform7 yeah but unless a myth is about a mythical/legendary pokemon, odds are its the symbolism approach.

[@castform7]

@@tefnutofhoney2832 Fair enough.

[@petrmatejka4945]

​@@castform7many cases maybe, but there are literally some Pokédex entries which are known as myths or not true

[@dylan8435]

BUT in many cases Myth has a base of reality like in many religions where theres something magical It actually has his root in real stuff or stories

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

People going wild with Typhlosion. Froslass(Specifcally Legends Arceus): Am I a joke to you?

[@andrewschaosson]

As time passes, I am more and more certain that the "Pokémon fans can't read" joke aren't actually that much of joke

[@strombreakr]

Furthermore, Typhlosion "stuff" has existed for a *long* time

[@VortexF]

​@@andrewschaossontbf, most just believe it cause it's funny

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@@andrewschaosson I can comfirm. I had to explain to people that Lugia makes no sense as a psychic type, yet they ignore the literal words Takeshi Shudo(Lugia's creator) and Shigeki Morimoto(a designer and programmer of Gen 2) explaining why it's a water type(Shudo) or that it's psychic type because psychic was the most over powered type in gen 1 and they wanted it to feel powerful(Morimoto).

[@DipshitKyle]

it's because the genders are reversed.

[@Zyr0-z3r]

Pokémon breeder: we have no idea where the egg came from. It all makes sense now

[@smaragdwolf1]

What did you believe all that Pokémon do all day? Sit in the Grass and watch the Clouds move? they need entertainment like everyone else XD

[@JamesDavy2009]

SFW answer: Arceus imitating Oprah Winfrey.

[@TrinexxSlayer]

i think they just don't want to actually explain it to a 10 year old. a little white lie to tell kids.

[@gemninja1197]

I think some people forget that...not all pokemon are happy go lucky friendly creatures.They can literally kill you and be happy about it.

[@masonalleman8716]

I feel as if Lockstin has the most calm and reasonable approach to analyzing Pokemon whereas everyone has conflated it to the extreme. Its great that you made a video concerning this matter!

[@generalgarchomp333]

"if not bestiality, it's incest!".....Yeah, that's accurate. Also you calling Enkidu Gilgamesh's malewife is absolutely hilarious.

[@luckluca8982]

They did kiss out of nowhere in the middle of their fight. And there will always be that ever lumming "part of the story that was lost" that can make you assume whatever you want

[@nataliecoronado4206]

Enkidu raw-dogged a temple priestess for a week straight with no breaks not even to eat, just to become "lifelong friends" with Gilgamesh after the fact 😂

[@CommanderWiggins]

​@@nataliecoronado4206Bisexual icon right there

[@mattwolf7698]

Even Christianity couldn't escape the latter.

[@luckluca8982]

@@mattwolf7698 To be fair to all creation myths, it is really hard not to have incest when there is only two people/gods of opposing genders on the planet

[@Hegataro]

"Dirty Deeds Done With Sheep", great joke

[@ToaCody1]

Another moment that made me laugh far more than it should have.

[@nickboon1235]

I spat out my drink

[@fortnitesexman]

what's the joke?..

[@gambitaku6179]

Jojo reference?

[@breadslapper6255]

Of course, AC-DZoo

[@anoradraws]

Thanks for clearing this up! I will admit, when I first read those leaks, my own neurodivergent (and somewhat innocent) brain forgot that I had read these kinds of real-world myths beforehand, and so I had to go back and remind myself of these particular myths, especially the Greek mythology.

[@puckie643]

Thank you Lockstin, can always count on you as the one Pokémon fan that can, indeed, read 😭

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

I can read, doesn't mean I like it. It doesn't fit the borderline utopian worldbuilding of Pokemon

[@puckie643]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Yes, that's why it was scrapped my dear buddy friend pal

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@puckie643 It shouldn't have been written to begin with. Pokemon is dark but rape and torture is going a little far don't you think? Gen 1 was the limit I think in terms of darkness.

[@TechnoArpan]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 it's a world-building exercise, calm down. it's not canon

[@ibi6262]

Oh thank god, a sensible take! Goodness, I saw a tweet saying "if this vile stories are based on real myths then those mythologies are evil too!" and I wanted to fainted

[@Justinjaro]

As someone who was into yokai folklore as a kid, these all read as that, just yokai stories. Always remember, western nursery rhymes also have random children getting hurt and other ordeals and yet we still sing "Rock a Bye Baby" to a baby in which the baby is bound to fall from the tree.

[@Evilriku13]

or german good night stories for example about the thumb sucker getting his thumb cut off for example because he didn't stop with what the adults wanted him to stop.

[@dansattah]

​@@Evilriku13Max & Moritz say "Hallo". 😊

[@beccamoore2402]

Or ring around a Rosie which was about the bubonic plague

[@JamesDavy2009]

Dr. Foster getting stuck in a puddle in Gloucester, or the limerick about pouring rain and an old man that bumped his head.

[@forestgrump4723]

Isn’t the London bridge song about the death of the queen? And Humpty Dumpty was a cannon that crushed a bunch of people I think

[@supe_nova]

Lockstin, we need to talk about your thumbnails man

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Tooo late i'm First

[@supe_nova]

​@@Cliffordlonghead I didn't ask?

[@evangeloevoxi]

About how great they are 🤣😭💀

[@Gnoggin]

fun fact! that tongue (droll included) is actually straight from Mario Sunshine.

[@supe_nova]

@@Gnoggin King boo?

[@B1T3F0RC3]

its like peeking at someones sketchbook before the art is fully rendered lol

[@des4929]

A better example would be peering at someone's anatomy sketches and getting mad for "drawing people nude" which is silly because ya know you have to know what the human form looks like in order to draw it that includes drawing the human form for practice

[@Puggers22]

​@@des4929That's a really good example

[@chip-toons]

half this goddamn fandom needs to pick up some japanese folklore asap.

[@choppun8847]

It's nice to see this explained more. All these stories felt like mythological and cautionary tales that would be told around fires.

[@JamesDavy2009]

They very well were. Banette's lore cautions children into appreciating what they have and quite a few species were used to scare children into behaving themselves.

[@thomasraaberg8400]

11:28 “Wanna know how the ancient Egyptians learned how crocodile dung makes for a decent birth control..?”

[@vegladex]

Of course I do, I haven't an innocent atom in my body either. I'm gonna go look that up right now (in Incognito mode though, just in case).

[@prestonlogan3808]

Can i learn jt

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

I want to now

[@fyrelorde]

​@@vegladex it's been 4 hours, what have you learned?

[@squidee9740]

I read it as they said it. 😂 💀

[@TalonLePineapple]

The casual "your mom" in the video had me in stitches. Classic.

[@PurgatoryProductions1]

i’m glad i wasn’t the only one who noticed that

[@vegladex]

"AI Catfish" was what got me.

[@paulhilgendorf1446]

Same. Did a double take after reading that.

[@FNAFlore-hmm]

I spoted that to

[@TheZajicekfarber]

Just wanted to say you've always done an amazing job discussing more "mature" topics by treating and presenting them the same as any other topic.

[@ThePika78]

I read them and was like "Wow, they adapted folklore tales but instead of animal just add a Pokemon in it. Kinda weird considering it's Pokemon and there is (non-explicit) sex and violence, but for first draft and a few more revisions, this could easily go in the Canavale Library or be the inspiration for the Humans and Pokemon marrying story. Though it's all scrapped and non-canon so whatevs" But people really demonized and overexxagerated the stories as if it was something that NEVER should've been written, which implies these people need to either grab history books, touch myths or grow thicker skin.

[@spiritnova42]

Remember the veilstone's myth from the library? Where the guy kills a bunch of a pokemon with a sword? The son of the guy in the Octillery story grows up and finds a sword. Guess what he does with it.

[@ThePika78]

Ok, but listen out to me, ever wondered why the West side of Sinnoh has a bunch of Ponyta and the East doesn't? Let me explain the reason

[@flohjaeger8110]

4:02 Oh no, thats not how it would go... Zeus"Want a baby?" Woman "No" Zeus (as an animal): "Want a baby?" Woman "No" Zeus:"Too bad!" Hera"Hey, my husband was unfaithful, because of that Im going to punish you, woman, okay?"

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

Yeah, some gods just weren’t nice people. ÓwO

[@jpbo98]

The worst part of getting involved with Zeus was whatever Hera is going to do to you

[@DarkPsychoMessiah]

Husband who is also her brother by the way. OMG, Hera is Ashley Graves.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

Woman: Please no

[@bln-kp9xo]

@@jpbo98 hercules' having PTSD after this one

[@YTLaxus]

I love how people freak the hell out and say "I can't believe they would do something like that for a franchise marketed towards children"... Guys am i the only one who still remembers that they didn't in fact do that and that this is over a tb of leaked information that was never supposed to see the light of day. and not a scrapped script for an actual pokemon game ?

[@Castersvarog]

Also there are canon stories that say that people and Pokémon were way more similar and would eat at the same table. And there’s Pokémon like Lopunny, Tsareena, and Salazzle, like genuinely this entire thing has been so dumb

[@castform7]

It's why I'm starting to despise the words canon and lore in this discussion and wince every time I see it. It's like people don't even know what either of those words mean. This is leaked info. While all this information gathered over the last 3 or 4 days is interesting, it's still stuff that should have never been shown to the public and is just a breach of Pokemon's documents.

[@Axqu7227]

Also: everyone forgot the Spongebob leaks. Or the Disney and Nickelodeon ones. The Rugrats ones are a million times worse than this.

[@albericponcedeleon2696]

​@@castform7 canon and lore fall under "words that nobody knew what they meant, even though they would had they paid attention during their Literary and/or Religious studies. They made it to popular vernacular, yet despite increased usage people still use (and spell) them incorrectly." - An eternally frustrated former Catholic

[@chongwillson972]

@YTLaxus wait didnt they like actually made a joke with a women swimmer in a revealing swimming suit who says, "Where are my Pokémon balls? it's a secret." implying that has them in a mature area.

[@TheSpektrum1989]

"Deleted canon is non-canon" THANK YOU for saying that. too many people are having a fit over this.

[@James_Stan808]

It does help that he is explained the whole "write a related R story then Pokemonify it... it honestly helped me contextualize the whole thing much better

[@komi___]

But it's not deleted, just hidden.

[@TheSpektrum1989]

@@komi___ you're taking "deleted" too literal. like a "deleted scene" from a movie that was partially made, it gets "left on the cutting room floor," no longer counts to THE canon of the movie.

[@komi___]

@@TheSpektrum1989 The thing is that these myths were obviously never ever meant to be put in any media visible to the public, so they are real, but never put into anything anyone can see, it just exists behind the curtain. That's why it's canon but hidden.

[@AB-gh5be]

the material still exists, yes, but from a canon context, it's been deleted. this stuff isn't in the games. that makes it non-canon.

[@SerathDarklands]

Loki also tied his testicles to a goat's beard and played tug of war with it. That's actually in Norse mythology. Gods be freaky, yo.

[@KevinDiaz2000]

Wait WHAT LMFAOOOO

[@SerathDarklands]

@@KevinDiaz2000 I say again: Gods be freaky, yo. Loki's technically only CONSIDERED an Aesir, not born one, so it's sort of debatable whether he's actually a true god as defined by Norse mythology, but still.

[@Mikewolv007]

Wait, who won?

[@SerathDarklands]

@@Mikewolv007 Okay, so the version of the story I'm familiar with, it was appeasement. Basically, the giantess Skadi was angry at the Aesir for the murder of her father, and her condition for not seeking revenge was that the gods make her laugh. So Loki tied his balls to the beard of a goat, and every time it pulled, he squealed in pain, which made Skadi laugh, so she gave up her revenge.

[@Mikewolv007]

@@SerathDarklands Wow. In Skaidi’s position, I think I’d shrivel up and pass out from second-hand pain before even thinking of laughing, but to each their own. Thinking on Loki’s testicular tug of war a bit longer, the images in my head feel very akin to an early 2000’s shock site. Something that Whang would make a Tales from the Internet video on.

[@shibumi8]

Yeah they did a similar design thing for the My Little Pony movie. A lot of the background characters were straight up monsters that wouldn’t be out of place on a MTG card or the side of a van before they were fit into the house style.

[@captainawf2341]

"global mythology! If its bot bestiality, its incest." I literally just listed a longer version of this under somekne daying the typhoosian story is "traumatizing"

[@sasaki999pro]

That is NOT how trauma works.

[@xiaolin867]

I wonder how these people would react if they saw Egyptian mythology. Everyone is either someone else's parent or sibling, I'm not even kidding

[@onebear6504]

5:56

[@definitivamenteno-malo7919]

MOST MYTHS ARE ABOUT CAUTIONARY TALES AND HOW WE CAME FROM NATURE. OF COURSE IT'S MEANT TO BE TRAUMA INDUCING 📣📢

[@definitivamenteno-malo7919]

​@@xiaolin867Lockstin gave the soft version. The elder version is that Amon gave himself a blowjob, and when he came, he puked his own sperm into the abyss of the Primordial Waters, causing the birth of the first goddesses and gods. Then they had sex together.

[@TheDancingMudkip]

Reminder this was never supposed to be public. It is not real and you shouldn't let it affect you for your love for that pokemon.

[@harry.t9523]

Okay sure it was a single employee and barely anyone else knew about it, but I’m afraid the damage is already done. Even if this all get proven false, it’s not going to stop those people. They always find an excuse to keep going, or keep complaining.

[@oliveragag8576]

The kicker for me is that even if they did add this to a game it would probably have been in a bookshelf in a house in the forgotten corner of a town most people would just walk by. Meanwhile, people are acting like they were gonna add a fully rendered sex scene to the game.

[@mattwolf7698]

This affects pretty much all media anyway, to stick with kids media (as that is then most unexpected) Nick has a long history of drawing NSFW stuff of characters in the studio.

[@mountain_dreams]

right?? I literally saw someone posting how they are considering getting their Typhlosion tattoo removed after the leak....people need to chill XD

[@harry.t9523]

@@mountain_dreams The problem is that even if it gets proven false, some people are still going to keep carrying it around and acting like it’s true, most particularly the R34 artists.

[@vianabdullah2837]

It's honestly a cool tidbit of worldbuilding. Like those folktales that people used to tell so kids would behave and follow the rules.

[@Iteration456-8_codename_goblin]

I think I will stick to the classic “you will be arrested if you don’t finish your greens”

[@beacon626]

I feel if you told some of the kids they’d misbehave more

[@xenoemblem7]

No offense, but I don't think kids should learn the concept of "grape without the g" early on 😅

[@pickedceasar1216]

Haven’t they already been debunked

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

Especially the Slaking one. A classic tale of karma.

[@sorcerousfang]

5:33 That historic reason can be traced to Queen Victoria. Ironically, her prudishness led to men being replaced with octopuses. It's hilarious, really.

[@grunkleg.2934]

So believe it or not, the Typhlosion story made it in the final game, in a way. Sinnoh Folk Tale number 2: "There lived a Pokémon in a forest. In the forest, the Pokémon shed its hide to sleep as a human. Awakened, the human dons the Pokémon hide to roam villages." I think this should tell you the intent of the original writings

[@LeoSmashRoyale]

Dude this was hilarious and I mean that with all the respect I can convey because you are absolutely correct with a lot of the real world's Mythology

[@PurbleRose]

Thank you man, trying to tell that to people spreading the whole thing out for clout is absolutely impossible, we need more people getting the word out before more people start clutching their pearls

[@turtlelongingforchaos9055]

Appreciate both the disclaimer that the stories may not actually be leaked and that this isn't gonna end gamefreak. WTF is totally a fair initial reaction to have, but I've been seeing people call this stuff "official Pokémon smut" which is just so, so misleading, it's annoying

[@castform7]

I've also used the word official but it's usually after "(for lack of a better term)". If these are official I totally get an initial WTF especially with Slaking and Typhlosion and I expect some memes poking fun at the whole ordeal but I already gotten over the shock after the first read because I understood these were just concepts in a series that has many weird implications. Drifloon kidnap children constantly.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

I find the leaked sprites and X and Y assets way more interesting

[@kelly7997]

Thanks for the reasonable take! I also wonder if these could just be ruminations from a single guy and that they were just buried on his computer and were never meant to be shared

[@lackofcheese344]

Also with the mention of Froslass at the end - Request 82 in PLA canonises the Yuki-Onna myth with a Froslass. A human married a Froslass.

[@skellybones271]

These all give off the animal bride/ bridegroom mythotrope, I like how they come off as people explaining the world around them rather than the more unnatural feeling myths can get when world building

[@NightFuryLover31]

“Humans are weird.” That is the realest thing ever.

[@R9000]

I know this is kinda by the by, but it's ridiculous the amount of people who have now decided every typhlosion is a creep now. Like, Typhlosion is a species. Even if that story was canon (which it isn't) that would be actions of one individual Typhlosion, not all of them. Imagine if that's how we judged humans? We'd all be cancelled.

[@SnailShoes]

I mean... Ppl do apply that irl. Sadly

[@castform7]

I will say, I do find the Typhlosion memes funny but I understand it's a little weird to treat Typhlosion as a monolith (which is why I also like the memes defending Typhlosion).

[@mustard7306]

Yeah, it's like people who say all dolphins are grapists.

[@slavishentity6705]

Have you ever heard of stereotypes

[@user-burner]

Honestly it's just kind of funny to say there's only one of every pokemon, but yeah, not all typhlosion 😔

[@magetsalive5162]

This was absolutely an overreaction. How common is it in stories for a guy to marry a beautiful woman and have kids with her, only for him to discover she has a _fox tail_ shortly before his fox-wife flees, never to be seen again?

[@mattwolf7698]

To be fair most westerners wouldn't know that. I only knew about that because I'm into Japanese mythology

[@JoeVO24]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS AND BEING MATURE ABOUT IT I HOPE EVERYONE IN THE FANDOM SEES THIS

[@Readingeye]

It's funny to me people are freaking out about this non-canon stuff when there is canonically a Froslass that turned into a human, got married to a man, and they canonically had both human and snorunt children.

[@yes78]

So they got together through mutual love? Not tricking the other to impregnate them? I think i can see a difference. I might be wrong but i dont think this point make sense

[@A.S._Trunks]

Lucky bastard, Froslass is sexy as hell.

[@yonaguy6978]

I wonder about the Zorark in Unova

[@Heuuntheuur]

​@@A.S._Trunks Bro...

[@furychromthereddeath571]

@@yonaguy6978 Or a Ditto because they too can shapeshift into “anything”.

[@saucymongoose7246]

Honestly, the non-canon lore is pretty tame all things considered, but it's funny seeing people freak out over it. 3:38 I'm glad you brought this up because Mythology, in general, is absolutely weird.

[@BuggyBrand]

Yeah it is funny seeing people go wild over it, when you can’t even google some Pokémon safely

[@evangeloevoxi]

As an artist, I love seeing the horrifying trippy rough draft concept art of those Pokemon. Holy crap Cacturne (who I loved anyway) looks like a nightmare monster I want to see in a horror game lol

[@castform7]

I never thought I'd actually be scared about something relating to Cacturne. I obviously have my issues with leaks but I can't lie and say it hasn't been so neat to see a glimpse into the design and concept process of Pokemon. I really liked seeing the character sheets for some of the Unovan gym leaders.

[@dleonidae]

A Creeper. It's just straight up a Creeper.

[@metaltornado3457]

Canon Cacturne stalk humans in the desert at night, so it was always intended to be a somewhat scary Pokémon.

[@wubproductions9755]

@@castform7 i mean Cacturns dex entries are pretty spooky

[@cosmictraveler1146]

Yes it’s very good inspiration for creatures

[@maganhassan2627]

it's funny when you hear how your favourite fairy tales like Cindrella was originally told before you heard the "clean" version 🤣

[@FullMetalLuffy]

I'm glad somebody has finally said it outloud into a megaphone. Justice for my guy Typhlosion

[@alyx5491]

This reminds me of times people have acted like I'm perverted for drawing sketches of humans. "But why are they naked?" I can't start with the shirt and work my way backwards genius.

[@des4929]

Yea you need to study and draw the human form to draw the human form with accessories like seriously there are collage classes revolving around that I hate people sometimes man

[@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme]

Just wait until you start to draw anything below 18 (including 17.99) years of age, they'll think you're that kind of thing that is currently hated so widely that hell knows if the SJWs are being hypocrites knowingly or not. Just remember one thing: it's not your fault humans are stupid.

[@luckluca8982]

Honestly, art in general is a activity that will make some people think you are a degenerate because somehow everyone can be puritanical about human bodies

[@VideoGameStarChannelSupreme]

The only way this can be fixed is by changing society's view on the human body. Good luck when they're knee deep into that puritan belief.

[@alyx5491]

@@des4929 several of these people have been classmates. How do you get to a university level arts education and still be so unknowing?

[@alexibeshears7549]

This video needs to be shared with ALL of Pokemon Twitter.

[@teriso1793]

I love how reasonable Lockstin is about this He isnt wrong, real life is absurd

[@mao-sama6446]

Finally someone with a functioning brain to tackle this situation logically. If I could subscribe to you twice, I would!

[@cjsdizzy]

Man I'm so happy to see some rational takes and context for all of this. Important video dude thanks for doing such a good job on it!

[@danaillaysen7632]

There is a couple battle with an onix and a cloyster pairing. A battle in pokemon stadium against an all female pokemon team the trainer describes as his girlfriends. A woman that calls a Skuntank their partner. A wedding plannar in B&W who tells you they also make pokemon x human weddings. And three pokemon (salazzle, tsareena, and hatterene) that all have lore and more sets directly tied to some kind of s3xual act, not just have a horny design like lopunny. There are probably 30 others that I haven't seen, but the cannon is present beyond a mistranslated quote from a game 20 years ago.

[@Ryodraco]

Legends Arceus outright has a sidequest implying an ancient man and a Froslass in disguise married, not unlike a classic yuki-onna story.

[@wyawardclown]

also in colosseum there's an old lady who calls a mightyena her boyfriend, and then in xd gale of darkness, that same old lady has a poocheyena. what that implies, you decide!

[@U-Flame]

I wanna know more about that wedding planner NPC because this is the first I've heard of it

[@castform7]

I need to know why anyone is surprised by this. A Hypno straight up kidnapped a girl on one of the Sevii Islands. Pokemon has some weirdness in canon and it's not hard to find.

[@TrisFireblood]

There's also a scene on the Sea Mauville in ORAS where there are two girls in a locked room standing face to face across from the door with one of them against a wall. If you talk to the one who's back is to you, she gives you a key you need to advance after saying "How did you get in here? I thought I locked that door. Anywas, take this and leave us alone." If you talk to her again, she says "What are we doing? I'm just giving her some private lessons, that's all." If you talk to the other girl at any point (the one with her back to the wall), she responds with "... *Blush*..."

[@JEZ346]

I'm so glad you put this out like no one is properly explaining the deal behind the stories and there purpose and also the fact that they were never used and cut almost 15 years ago. Thank You

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Cut doesn't mean anything, they shouldn't have written these to begin with. As if they couldn't have written more palatable versions of these stories to begin with.

[@TechnoArpan]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 there is nothing that shouldn't be written in the first place. We're not doing that kind of censorship

[@xhielorei]

People forget the difference between canon and fanon. These leaks are now fanon, like all the teories and maybe even creepypastas (Ash coma).

[@tvb5509]

Not fanon, as it supposedly comes from the developers themselves. Not canon either, but not even close to fanon.

[@xhielorei]

@@tvb5509 I don't think it matters from where it comes from, as long the fans run with it and it's not in the canon.

[@luckluca8982]

@@tvb5509More like scrapped content that became fanon. Like Missigno in a way, if you equate scrapped content with glitches

[@Aex89]

​@@tvb5509 which was scrapped and never seen in real mainline games

[@Aex89]

​@@luckluca8982 lmao not even close to missingno. Missingno is an ACTUAL part of the mainline games unlike that disgusting lore

[@fefrezi]

the pokemon stories are literally so tame compared to some of the greek myths id read when i was younger but nobody was like BAN GREEK MYTHOLOGY FROM LIBRARIES

[@wildfire9280]

Actual mythology has a penchant for being about as bizarre as the Reman Empire. If you know, you know.

[@Imaginary_tour]

I'm glad you're slapping some sense into the pokemon fandom

[@a-s-greig]

_"It doesn't affect Pokéfans..."_

[@Imaginary_tour]

@@a-s-greig not the "it's not very effective" response

[@tylerharris7081]

Considering Salazzle exists, explicit material made by game freak designers does not surprise me at all.

[@des4929]

I find it hilarious that the "reverse harem" is literally referred to in the Pokédex with those exact words yet people don't bat an eye meanwhile people get absolutely pissed when UNFINISHED,SCRAPPED AND TRANSLATED (meaning quite a bit of nuance can get lost) stories get leaked

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

She's sexy to other lizards though, not humans

[@VOlDNOVA]

Salazzle is also loosely based on a species of gecko that does not need males to reproduce, or so I heard. Males of these species are often infertile and short-lived.

[@cah137-y4s]

All subject matter aside, Lockstin bursting back into the room mid-analysis and shouting “THERE’S A FIFTH ONE, IT’S RAPIDASH” is the funniest thing ever to me for reasons I can’t fully explain.

[@MysticDojo]

reminds me of pokedex entries like a kid turning into a kadabra, raichu taking down an asian elephant or ppl stuffing their clothes with Darumaka droppings. A lot of pokemon entries just add folklore or worldbuilding than they do facts, one of my fav is a Beautifly card mentioning how it uses it's proboscis to stab and drain the life from it's victims.. made funnier since there are vampire butterflies

[@Marsh-mo9ml]

Wait till they hear the Greek pantheon's family tree is practically a ladder

[@IndigoEuphonium]

"Basic reading comprehension is needed to play this game"

[@mr_barreraa]

8:46 "clearly gods did Diddy party with animals" bruh! 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@garg4531]

Poor typhlosion did not deserve to have his rep ruined like this Also very good point about how none of this was ever explicitly made canon despite people acting like it is Along with it just being references to real world mythology, which is pretty messed up

[@MasterBotttle]

Drama Filled (Tabloid) Channels/KZbinrs

[@harry.t9523]

Well I’m afraid one of them was a suspect here, but we can’t let one bring all of them down.

[@laurencekinsella805]

"Dirty deeds, done with sheep." I didn't expect an AC/DC reference in this video, and now I can never hear that song the same way again.... 😅

[@tidalwave5422]

Dirty deeds done with sheep was such a diabolical line. Good job

[@Crimson_Dragon01]

Thank you for making this video. I was so tired of seeing posts with people freaking out about this and not understand this.

[@stonythechimist4250]

0:46 the big echoey voice for this was absolutely perfect. You sir, found the golden line between irreverent and concerned in comedy

[@Superstar5_]

1:49 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!

[@AlmightyArceus]

YESSSSSSSS lockstin says everything I’ve been thinking in the first two minutes of this video!!

[@sapphiredawn4321]

One hundred percent

[@flyingstonemon3564]

Mfw the concept art isn't always canon to the final design

[@foxshoot3138]

Its still funny xd

[@Superstar5_]

@@foxshoot3138 I Don’t think they’re funny…Probably because I’m not 12 years old.

[@eirikmellesdal]

Love how entertaining, precise and factual yet funny your videos are, even if they dabble into "grown-up +" material regarding the Pokè-verse. Good job dude, never stop using your gnoggin!

[@Glace_cakes]

The rapidash one I think is based on a selkie myth from the Orkney islands?? Like they’re just real world parallels

[@Flipdew]

I wanted this to get covered here, I wasn't expecting it as imo Lockstin is a more kid friendlier channel, but journalism is journalism I guess.

[@zach415]

He’s stated a long time ago that he makes content for both kids and adults so that his channel isn’t flagged as “for kids” so he can still receive ad revenue

[@evangeloevoxi]

He's covered adult content for years. He's just tasteful about it.

[@Nelsito99]

He has done why lopunny looks the way it does even having the playboy logo on its thigh in the thumbnail

[@Purriah]

It literally isn’t a kid friendly channel. He’s just a goofy guy but he definitely covers mature topics

[@MauZangetsu]

I guess those Pokémon Legends Neo Ghetsis videos don't exist

[@TheComicsKid]

I hate how accurate the statement at 6:00 is....

[@rosesanchez1252]

As a Folklore and Mythological nerd I was super excited to see this from a world building perspective... And deeply disappointed to see the reactions online. It's fun to create myths for your fictional worlds and using myths from our world as inspiration makes perfect sense. And people are just using this as an excuse to say "see this is why furries should be bashed and shamed," and going on anti-sex tirades.

[@miguelaponte8876]

As a fan of myths, legends, and folklore. I agree. Another thing people fail to get is, different cultures. Even in Latin America we have messed up tales that kids know, that would be rated R if made into movies.

[@LacTose90]

They could still use them just change the humans to other Pokémon and change some of the normal Pokémon into legendaries/mythicals

[@castform7]

"Sex=bad" is such a weird take in this case. If these are just adaptations of myths to get some inspiration for the actual world building (something super likely considering Pokemon's ties to yokai) then this makes obvious sense. It's just that the moment people who see the word "relations" (in a series with an in-game book that states there were at least very romantic relations between people and Pokemon) in scrapped material no one was ever supposed to witness, it's all about "think about the children". This isn't hard to understand, I don't even know that much about myths and I understand it. I just wanted to see memes.

[@evanpereira3555]

The same, especially when they're actually not so "horrible" compare to some really disturbing myths.

[@Underground3]

The reaction isn't surprising since the entire cope surrounding Pokémon is it aim toward children. So world building like this is something you will find in Palworld/Berserk, not in Pokémon. It does give you a inside of the direction they were going for at the beginning and why it was scrapped.

[@Whitetiger1932]

Dirty deeds done with sheep is a very different AC/DC song.

[@snakems6936]

Love this video actually explaining and going into detail about the writing instead of just going 'Pokemon Sex Weird! Why' 😮

[@RealCutieMutie]

Thank you Mr. Lockstin for the video. Sometimes it feels like everyone is too PG or too sensationalist about Pokémon. Is really refreshing to see you being open and level minded about this topic.

[@CrystalGreymon]

"If it's not bestiality, it's incest." *Looks at the conception of Mordred in Arthurian Legend*

[@oneyedrabbit7948]

5:13 nro thought we wouldn't catch the Your Mom

[@kayschut9327]

There is the comment I was lookin for.

[@DragonsRuby]

I literally just paused the video to laugh about the scrolling text and then I saw Your Mom. It's beautiful.

[@yusheitslv100]

r/beatmetoit

[@onixiion3071]

yep, got my XD there

[@ibrahimarticov6978]

5:55 wiseman's words of the century, probably 😂

[@RE_Cope-Powell]

"Dirty deeds... done with sheep" made me cackle and die laughing. Thanks for the video, it was a serious talk with all the brevity and humor needed

[@slp1857]

Good to see you cover these stories too, I think it's really cool that we get actual tales of these Pokémon that evoke similar feelings of Greek and Norse mythology. I'm just disappointed that the only thing the fandom focuses on is making the same unfunny jokes they always do.

[@Rumcake256]

Myths and such were the first thing that came to mind when I read the Lapras story on your previous video. I haven't looked anything up to avoid spoilers, so I appreciate your coverage of the leak!

[@AceXGamer-yb7pv]

Mythology is such a twisted thing, yet there's still so much to keep you wanting to risk learning those messed up things. Like yea, the first 2 sets of gods in a mythology were siblings but you get to hear about how one of the children redeemed themselves from their punk boy past by saving a village from a sea serpent

[@mattwolf7698]

9:24 Fun fact, that's still loosely there. In the story Adam wanted a wife and started walking through the Garden of Eden (keep in mind that Eve doesn't exist yet) and he kept looking at various animals but didn't find them attractive. It's still funny that he was even checking them out in the first place though.

[@SketchingPandaRen]

Yeah when I heard about these my first thought was Zeus and all the other weird mythology.