Absolute MADNESS! Ratling Snipers & Sly Marbo Meta Incoming!

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[@andhikasoehalim3170]

Now we need you to go to a tournament with this strat

[@Waltusb0yuas]

Yeeeeeeeeeaeaeeeaeeaeas

[@christopherdecock703]

This and the trucks with sions and psykers. All the fun transport starts.

[@mattmanchip9419]

Yes, he needs to take fixed secondaries with assassination as one

[@hpenvy1106]

I never thought about it, but: If I have plasma guns in my Chimera, and those shoot out and overcharge. On a failed hazardous test the Chimera would get the damage, but the soldiers would be fine, since the weapon profiles move to the Chimeras datablock.

[@micha1205]

And if the chimera explodes, the guys fall out and can Shot. Cause they did not Shot this turn

[@hpenvy1106]

@@micha1205 oh shiet that's hilarious

[@alexwe6116]

I actually placed second at a tournament a few weeks ago using ratlings in my doom hammer it has been my favorite combo ever since the start of 10th

[@2gunntrekking356]

How many rattlings?

[@alexwe6116]

@@2gunntrekking356 I had 10 in the back of a doomhammer. Essentially giving me 20 shots every turn ✌️ these dammage 2 shots were really useful in all matches I had that day. Keep in mind however that you could have more ratlings if you take the stormlord because of it's bigger firing deck. And since the chassis is so big it can't move further than half of the board in wtc terrain, the stormlord might be a better option because the main gun has more range. Also don't forget to add a techpriest enginseer to give the invuln to the big tank 😇

[@sethbacon7490]

Finally, another doomhammer believer. I am not alone

[@alexwe6116]

@@sethbacon7490 ah a fellow guardsman of culture I see! 🙏🙏🙏

[@eyohboy455]

@@alexwe6116 what about a chimera bro?

[@primalbiomechanics-willmon6166]

The Emperor may walk on water, but Sly Marbo swims through land. Sly marbo jumps into a lake, he does not get wet, the water gets Sly Marbo.

[@calronkeltaran493]

as a wise man once said: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@TikitheHutt]

We've had one Ratling meta yes, but what about second Ratling meta?

[@damienthecadian8164]

Ratling Stormlord is such a fun idea!

[@TikitheHutt]

"Wrath of the Shire"

[@JonathanHerz]

YES

[@mjhsinclair]

Madness? This. Is. The Shire. *Kicks Abaddon down a well.*

[@Rexir2]

Phobos marines have been doing this for a while now, especially eliminators. 2 squads could hop out of an impulsor, fire their guns and hop back in if the sergeants had instigator bolt carbines, and those transports have firing deck 6

[@morcar8991]

Sly Marbo is perfect for this job. He has a pistol and thus would turn a flamer chimera into a even more close combat vehicle

[@coldsteel.and.courage]

Sly sounds like a ton of fun played this way

[@anamelessname4996]

Call it the M.A.D bomb: Militarum Armored Defense Bomb

[@SubSonicEctomorph]

Oh BABY this is my fav thing I’ve seen in a while! Great share! ❤MadLarkin & Mordian

[@Edweird2w1]

Could be interesting to use some of the inquisitors with this, the one with the weird dragon pet especially

[@Edweird2w1]

Disregard, Ratlings are not battleline so inquisitor can't join them

[@DanielShaw123]

I already have a stormlord with 2 rattling units in the list. I will give this a try next week. :)

[@sairence]

Start watching: this is going to be the ratlings/firing deck combo. 2mins in:Yup it is! Kidding aside, Ratlings are excellent, their weapon is irrelevant. Cheap infiltrate is great, especially combo'd with Leontus' redeploy. Then you put them in strat reserves, and when you bring them in use their shoot & scarper to get an extra 6" move, potentially getting 12" away from the side of the board, within 3" of an enemy unit and easily in range of an objective.

[@lordofshovels4369]

I don't have any Ratling Snipers but since I use a Krieg themed Guard Army I just use a couple of Krieg snipers as Ratling Snipers.

[@TikitheHutt]

Back in 7th I ran a "threat bubble" of 10 Ratlings, I use Catachan models, and just put scopes on their lasguns, and put pistols on them, since my army was made of Cadian models, it worked well.

[@simonandersen7942]

The Stormlord makes me want to start guard. I wanna do a Stormlord with 15 Ratlings for cheese, +3x3 HWT with whatever weapons seem good for the matchup. Suddenly makes the Stormlord very versatile. That's also exactly 24 weapons to shoot from the Stormlord. I also leaves 7 slots still open for maybe a small 5 man squad of something to disembark on an objective somewhere.

[@1987Hades]

My ratlings make for a beautiful speed bump that usually distract enough firepower from the rest of my dudes

[@NoName-lo9ym]

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[@primalbiomechanics-willmon6166]

Marbo once beat an Ork to death with its own skull.

[@Crunch2327]

Not first, was always here.. lurking... in the shadows..

[@drbelanger73]

I'm not sure the internet at large is ready for Mad Larkin to be let out of his live stream cage...

[@nooblangpoo]

So you're telling me a Stormlord can just shit on a point with full impunity.

[@Nick_the_Salamander]

I thought this got patched when Space Marine armies were doing this with eliminators.

[@Paintersquest]

Thats what im thinking as well

[@yokogaijinjr.5061]

Nah, still hasn’t gotten fix for the eliminators

[@shorelineapprentice6563]

A catachan blob with strakken and Harker will give the chimera scout 6". Marbo infiltrates with a crew of ratings and stakken and Harker meet him in the muddle. Ye'ol switcheroo and its memes away.

[@GrimSqueaker]

I was posting about this idea a few months ago on the discord - haven't had a chance to try it yet though

[@Wind-Whistler]

I think it’s worth taking a deeper look at the Stormlord. Because even with 3 ratling squads your Stormlord is only half full 😅. So what else can you put in? 3 Heavy Weapon Squads fit perfectly. That combo will use 33/40 transport slots and 24/24 firing deck slots. So what heavy weapons do you take? 9 lascannons of course. Combined with the 4 the Stormlord comes equiped with you get a total of THIRTEEN LASCANNONS!!! So you now have a single super heavy unit that that is capable of massacring hordes with its Vulcan mega-bolter and ratling spam AND melting enemy armor with THIRTEEN LASCANNONS!!!😮 And all this for the low low cost (counting only the Stormlord itself and its embarked troops) of 820 points. But is it competitive? Probably not at a UKTC tourney, but quite possibly in a tourney with more casual terrain rules, like Just Play Games. I mean, if some mad lad can do well there with a double super heavy list, maybe this could work too? Anyway, I would love it if SOMEONE was willing to give it a go 😉

[@ThatsMyRice]

He's too deep in the Jank-Tank! Mad Larkin has delved too greedily and too deep to unleash this monster

[@cathonghost]

this is gonna be a fun thing to see going

[@kippercsg]

Stormlord wouldn't need take aim. Sniper rifles are heavy, yes the Ratlings have moved, but the Stormlord may not have.

[@nickberry7437]

Mad Larkin you beautiful bastard!!!!!

[@ChainsawDunDeez]

I gotta see this in action…. And see the opponents reaction

[@cwj138]

So why do they call you "Mad" Larkin? *points to stormlord full of hobbits*

[@nyxhighlander9894]

9:25 with a Trojan you are rerolling ones on those 2s

[@rodneygaul2227]

Reporting for Duty , Sir That is a cool idea , well done

[@slyllamademon2652]

I’m trying this. You can’t stop me either.

[@Mark_Batcheler]

Rattling should be able to go in a transport and not take up any places- they can just sit on someone’s lap

[@chae7684]

Wow those ratlings have a big deck. Probably the biggest deck I've ever seen

[@thomaslillibridge9854]

That's an extra sharp slice of cheddar there I tell you what.

[@quincykunz3481]

Marbo's ability is actually slightly better, since he can use it coming off of an overwatch. The ratlings can only use theirs in the shooting phase.

[@calronkeltaran493]

Eldar may have lost their movement shenanigens with putting something back into a transport but they couldn't slow down sly marbo himself

[@NP-si8lt]

If you had Sly and Ratlings in a Chimera, would you be able to use their Infiltrators keyword ability, and place the Chimera anywhere at the start of play?

[@PF_K]

No, only the Scout ability can transfer to the transport.

[@BrysonLeigh]

This is just the Eliminator sniper bus for Space Marines, but smaller.

[@exile650]

Marbo in a flamer Chimera sounds fun.

[@caelvanir8557]

This is *so* gonna get FAQ’d but y’all have fun with it before it does

[@javilo2797]

Woah possibly a superb combo inside a quimera!!

[@Astralwolf23]

Okay, third time now what the hell man. I have recently started up a tallarn force and wanted them to be sneaky beakies and was going to use old sniper models as ratlings and such xD Love it and cheers for the info. Plus, thinking of using Harker to help add to the sneakiness for the troop

[@RepAlbertThomas]

Rattlings can now drive by in their Storm Lord low rider.

[@calronkeltaran493]

stormlord is prob overdoing it but putting some ratlings and maybe marbo into a chimera, could be a fun and very affordable thing to do. it is a very potent hitsquad with a lot of threatrange. the ratlings can basicly hit whatever they want and even marbo gets around 25" threatrange with his piostol (10" from chimera, 3" disembark, 12" pistol). that is suddenly a lot of ground to cover and if he doesn't need the disembark 3" to reach his target, he can shoot 2x.

[@micha1205]

Space Marines do this with Eliminators.

[@LynKrieger]

To be fair fields of fire cant proc on super heavy’s as they don’t have the regiment or squadron keyword so don’t get the extra ap. Withering hail stacks as that Astra militarum unit in your army.

[@Endurius]

Does the Stealth and/or infiltrate skill jump over on the transport like the Scout skill?

[@jeffreykeillor4622]

No only scout and only for dedicated transports. Had the same thought two weeks ago but it was not to be.

[@Endurius]

@@jeffreykeillor4622 ahhhh crap.........that would be a broken combo....infiltrating stealth tanks^^😝

[@PlusheLock952]

so what you're saying is i need to get 10 more ratlings...... got it

[@nyxhighlander9894]

Mad Larkin lives up to his name I see

[@MrMoustaffa]

Id take a Crassus and use its supporting fire to give the ratlings rerolls. Yeah its 300+ pts but itd be funny, and it can still carry another 20 models

[@PF_K]

Crassus doesn't have a firing deck though. The whole point of this cheese tactic is to exploit the interaction between Firing Deck and Move-Shoot-Move.

[@davidthomas2870]

Space marines do a similar combo with their snipers and transports, so this foes actually seem to be intended behavior

[@colingoddard866]

Put all the Ratlings in a Crassus for cheaper than a LoW + get full rerolls to wounds. You won’t get to “fire again” as Crassus doesn’t have Firing Deck but that’ll likely get fixed leaving this as better option

[@ventgoblin330]

Space marine eliminators can do the same thing

[@TheTobaccoman]

Ah the answer is really those giant stilt man ad mech snipers. They finally make sniper great !

[@jackdavenport4303]

I've got 10 old Ratlings in some Biostrip, yay!

[@Gromeish]

Fields of fire requires the Regimental or Squadron keyword, so it cannot be used with Ratlings or Baneblade variants. SlyMarbo does have the keyword, so the AP3 Ripper pistol is a go! That said, I'm not sure it's worth the points. Guard have better ways to get damage in your list for points, and they also lack the OC or survivability to hold points. But if you are running a Stormlord, then you are memeing already, so why not double down :D

[@David_analogue01]

amazing.

[@johnmossfordmacgregor973]

Sly Marbo So did a deep dive tonight into Epic Hero Sly Marbo 65 points His Two Rules Like Fighting a Shadow Each time this model has shot, if it is not within Engagement Range of any enemy units, it can make a Normal move as if it were your Movement phase. If it does, until the end of the turn, this model is not eligible to declare a charge. One-man Army Each time an enemy unit targets a friendly Astra Militarum unit within 3" of this model with ranged attacks, after that enemy unit has finished making its attacks, this model can shoot as if it were your Shooting phase. Keywords Character Epic Hero Faction: Astra Militarum Grenades Imperium Infantry Regiment Sly Marbo Rules: InfiltratorsStealthLone OperativeAnti- infantry 2+PrecisionPistol Weapon Ripper Pistol 12" A 3 Hit 2+ S 5 AP -1 D 2 Anti-Infantry 2+, Pistol, Precision Plus Lethal vs Infantry due to Regiment key word Regiment key word means he can get orders Move Move Move 9" Move And now for something special... He can use Like fighting a shadow when he shoots on Overwatch.... Against a charging enemy unit....after they role for charge....but before they move... Note they do not have to be charging Sly for him to Overwatch... You can run away if being charge Simple and causes a failed charge Sly can run in front of the charge possibly blocking the charge if he wasn't the intended target If he was then preventing a long charge maybe onto an objective Sly could keep charges in charge range but move 9" to a different area redirecting the charging models away from there intended destination Sly could even move 9" to a friendly close combat unit like a Warglaive. Then spend 1CP to use Heroic intervention for the Warglaive to charge the target Sly could do other precision moving to bring or block other units into the combat Yep Also good at blocking deep striking great Daemons and anything else with a big base that is charging Shoot and then run right up to 1.1 inch of the daemon

[@jimmydesouza4375]

Does Marbo not get the ability to shoot back at anything that shoots at his transport if you use this trick, since he is technically within 3 inches of it?

[@HereticDave40k]

Can't use abilities while in Transports

[@wardog456]

Not sure this is covered under out of phase rules in the rules commentary.

[@rubberuke]

It's funny that everyone was sh*tting on catachan early this year now they keep finding out the reasons why I switched 😂

[@pcat7699]

Meanwhile I'm still waiting to see if mordian puts a priest in the same unit with straken. Also putting 2 platoon command squads with heavy flamers in a chimera with heavy flamers seems like a good meme

[@calronkeltaran493]

you still only get 2 flamers to shoot out. so may as well use 10 catachans+straken instead. also a fun unit

[@pcat7699]

2 heavy flamers to shoot out from the firing deck, and the 2 heavy flamers from the chimera @@calronkeltaran493

[@TheThezenith]

yeah me and my friends have known about this combo for a while but we have agreed that it would feel a little bs, I think whilst this works RAW i dont think this was Rules as intended so in casual games between friends we just treat models that have move shoot moved into a firing deck vehicle as unable to shoot out of it until next turn

[@PF_K]

Yeah I'm with you for this. I'd feel like an asshole pulling this on my friend, even though guard is hardly stomping the meta.

[@sadlyanuxtakustan8950]

Space marine eliminators can do the same thing, I am on my way to abuse this till its patched by gw.

[@YevrahHavard]

So is their a ratling meta now?

[@internetuser320]

Wait what is the embark rule? I thought it is only in 9e

[@percymacdonald6657]

Why didn't the hobbits just ride the stormlord to mordor? Are they stupid?

[@tonk84]

2 units of railings would fit in a taurox prime and that would give you reroll wounds... Just saying 🤣

[@calronkeltaran493]

now you only need to give the ratlings the tempestus keyword. still works for sly marbo

[@PF_K]

No firing deck though.

[@TGamesnja]

Radlings cant use Field of fier, These have no Regiment key word

[@jokelu]

When will they finnaly remove them from index.. Had 10 of them since 2d or 3d and I always get offset whenever Im thinking of painting them. Maybe the old models are to much hobits but stillI had dwarfs in fantasy. Catachan snipers for me..

[@Waltusb0yuas]

I’m scared

[@brodalorian3493]

Theyre t2 save 6, theyll be dead to overwatch in the movement phase

[@ThroatSore]

An obvious exploit and hould not be used?

[@tasteofwang81]

What stops you from using this on any unit? Embarking doesn’t appear to be any sort of “movement” seems like anyone could do it.

[@PF_K]

Most units cannot move in two separate phases, so cannot disembark and then embark again.

[@tasteofwang81]

@@PF_KI don’t see why moving in your shooting phase suddenly gives you the ability to embark. Either you can only embark in the movement phase. Or you can do it whenever so long as the unit ended within 3” during the movement phase, or disembarked. But moving in the shooting phase shouldn’t give you some extra ability to embark. The abilities that allow you to do it are very specific.

[@PF_K]

@@tasteofwang81 The rules for embarking simply say that you end a normal move within 3" of the transport. Move Shoot Move abilities tell you to make a normal move. It's that simple.

[@tasteofwang81]

@@PF_K but the rules for embarking don’t say that normal move has to happen in the same phase you embark. I could happen in the movement phase, when you disembark.

[@lonewolf975]

​@@tasteofwang81 You cant embark and disembark a unit in the same phase and you cant shoot in the movement phase is why. The trick requires movement in the shooting phase to shoot, get in, shoot again.

[@BDPershing]

Day 7 asking for operation broken arrow using 3 strike aircraft.

[@rhyscollins7409]

Hey mordian glory. I tired this in my last game, but the TO said i couldnt embark due to out of phaze abilities rule. 😢 Love your videos though mate. CATACHAN STANDS 😂

[@ScottTheBot07]

Second. Love my spicy meatball videos

[@Jahada510]

Is this legal??

[@joelwashere5382]

Obligatory Comment 🫡

[@shlinn]

Both of these tactics is wasting their potential. I run both of these units in my competetiv list. You need lord solar for it to work but here is what I do. Infiltrate sly and a squad of ratling with the sole purpouse to prevent my oponent to infiltrate/scout move and move block me in my deploymentzone first turn. You then redeploy them, seting sly on you home objectin near a wall and the ratlings in reserv using solars ability. If someone uses some shenanigans to deapstrike next to sly you spend one CP to shoot and move him to the otherside of the wall. He is now safe and can counterattack next turn if you want to. The ratlings can move on from a side, shoot and move again giving them an almost 12" move from any board edge to grab an obejtiv that you need to get. The ratling/transport combo is realy not worth the risk of being stuck in your deploymentzone turn one or loosing a lone operator just because you have him in a tank within 12" of the enemy.

[@Gromeish]

Lord Solar's redeploy happens before the first turn roll-off. So you can't use it to block scout moves. Unfortunately, there is no way to stop scout moves without the enemy getting the chance to shoot or charge your infiltrators.

[@chopsworth3833]

I will never exploit rules like this, and I will pack up my army and move to a different table if my opponent does this. We all know it's a broken rule that has just never been patched.

[@Gromeish]

A bit of a Harsh response. It's not cheating, so it probably doesn't warrant a pack-up and leave; I would view this response as behaviour as poor sportsmanship. In my mind, it's no worse than showing up with a mountain of indirect or an Aeldari Yncarne, which are both very difficult and unfun to play into. Honestly, I would rather someone did ratling abuse to me than play into a Yncarne or a triple manticores. However, if you asked for a fluffy game and someone is doing this, I would call them out on it. If it's a competitive game, then it's RAW.

[@berg6562]

Cute… it’s shenanigans like this that ruins the game for a lot of people. Just remember this when other armies start discovering loopholes.