How Were Fred & Rose West Caught? Police Investigation As It Happened | Fred & Rose | Absolute Crime

[@jj-if6it]

I feel so sorry for Anne Marie, she lost both her mum and two of her sisters. Not to mention what she went through. What horror

[@mogadon7]

Police regular customers of Rose ? What about the barn - ritual abuse ?

[@jj-if6it]

@@mogadon7 huh?

[@kittyroars8758]

​@@mogadon7oky bub😅

[@gemmacook1753]

​@@mogadon7No the police were not regular customers of Rose..and what are you on about regarding the barn and ritual abuse? Do you mean the basement?

[@CrC80]

​@mogadon7 I get wym but a comment like this needs an explanation ie proof of what you're saying.

[@allyw1364]

Rose was only crying for herself......not her poor Deceased Children or the other poor innocent victims

[@jj-if6it]

Thank god for that female investigator who had been around 25 years before and knew there was a daughter missing. They easily could have gotten away with a lot more. She was persistent

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

She certainly matched her last name being “Savage”

[@LaurieValdez-zk3dy]

Thank God

[@9kazcat]

Exactly. They'd still be killing now the sickos.

[@jennifs6868]

what blows the mind is that no one noticed or said anything about the disappearance of Rena's daughter, Charmaine.

[@jj-if6it]

They probably thought she'd taken her back to Scotland

[@melly9037]

Completely different times, the digital footprint an the coming together of forces an social services was not in place, you could call yourself anything an get a job....

[@SiGmund63]

Charmaine was our classmate in primary school, if briefly. Everything about her first day at school, accompanied by Rena and Fred, and her behaviour - memories of which stayed with me for 20+ years until she was “in the news” - should and almost certainly would trigger immediate major safeguarding intervention today. We have come a long way, even if we’re not there yet, 55 years later.

[@iot577]

​@SiGmund63 can you elaborate on Charmaine's behaviour at that time?

[@SiGmund63]

@@iot577 I’d rather let her rest in peace, and afford her such dignity as she was not afforded at the time.

[@simoncluett726]

How the fuck does someone have this many people "disappear" around them and not be investigated??

[@dodibenabba525]

It happens every day sadly

[@divya-u9i]

Runaway people and folks with no family to look out for them.

[@davidcat1455]

@@paarker Nice to see Secretary Clinton lives rent-free in your head. I’ll bet you’ll be upset in 2024😂😂😂😂

[@Debagio]

​@@user-el8nz4yu4tOkay, I'll bite: Who did the Wests have 'in high places' that kept their crimes secret?

[@johngodley256]

@@paarker You too have a mental issue, like most of the similar cases, you refuse to accept it.

[@jimbo250686]

Hazel Savage, brilliant and dedicated detective.

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

And has a perfect last name

[@juiceboxelf]

caroline owens deserved so much better, as did all of their victims. its just so sad seeing her have survivors guilt saying “if only i had pressed the r*pe charges” when it was due to police not taking her seriously that she didnt press charges in the first place :(( even after physically escaping the wests her mind was likely a prisoner til she succumbed to her cancer,, blaming herself for these girls deaths when it all couldve been avoided if police would just have taken her seriously the first time,, poor poor woman

[@racheldemain1940]

It was Kathryn Halliwell who got Cancer NOT Caroline Owens.

[@KidMetairie]

This video is the best I’ve seen at putting the pieces together in a logical manner. Most don’t explain Fred’s actions after his arrest and it ends up making no sense.

[@lucretiamalcolm4597]

you need to read the books about this crime as its tens times worse than you think, i had to take breaks from reading as it was so disturbing.

[@andreabennington]

​@@lucretiamalcolm4597Please don't read any book about the Wests. I began reading one 2-4 years ago and was so sickened I never finished it. I am still disturbed by passages I read in the book.

[@uv77mc85]

Pure evil madness. People like this are the scariest .

[@uv77mc85]

@@andreabennington I wouldn't want to know the sickness they had. I ain't reading no west books

[@Maxshard]

It isn't very logical to try and give the impression that Hazel Savage served the warrant on Fred and was the lead detective when she wasn't. And it should have been pointed out that Savage was removed from the case after approaching a literary agent, asking for a seven figure sum for a book deal. But then f*menism has no respect for historical accuracy.

[@Howay.Man.Angelica]

It's awful theat Caroline Owens went through that, and then died of cancer. She went through so much, poor lass.

[@PaganPunk]

Im sure its the stress they go through that brings these horrendous illnesses out!.....You often hear of parents of murdered children die early .....So sad 😢 xx

[@Gizmo30]

Yes but WHY did she drop the rape charges?? 😢

[@juiceboxelf]

@@Gizmo30she spoke in a documentary i saw a while ago saying that the police treated her terribly about it, basically saying things such as “are you sure you werent up for it? seems like you were at first and you just regret it now its happened” understandable why she didnt press charges when the people who are meant to enforce the law treated her so horribly after shed been through that torture, id have lost all hope at that point

[@MammaBear-xp7ur]

@@Gizmo30fear and loyalty. It’s a horrible thing. But it’s all fairly common. The young girls are talked out of it for fear of being labelled a slur back then. It was a powerful deterrent against many young girls who were being abused. I knew of a few at school. It was more common than you would like to think.

[@Dawn-we7vd]

I didn’t know she had passed. She was so very brave. May she rest in peace 🪦 and fly with the Angels 😇…..🙏❤️

[@lucasroche8639]

The poor families of the victims having to find out how their daughters were murdered after not knowing what had happened to them for years, it must of been heartbreaking and no doubt still causes them pain to this day.

[@lorimiller4301]

That's just like the poor families from the Luna Park Ghost Ride. Not knowing for so very long. Thank goodness we are eternal souls having a human experience. We get to experience life again and again from all different types of perspective. We seem to learn best from contrast even though it can be so painful. Yet we love it so much we want to come back for the ride, over and over.

[@nihilist4184]

The police and system is so pathetic and useless they have to wait for Rose West to kill again to properly convict her on real evidence now.

[@wild282]

I highly doubt they cared

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

That's just little Britian

[@nicholacousins8563]

League of Gentlemen or Bo selecta

[@christopherreynolds9254]

The actors who played Fred and Rose in this were amazing - must have been a horrible gig form them playing those monsters

[@mhoppy6639]

Have you seen “appropriate adult’? Dominic West’s (no relation, thank god) portrayal of Fred was frighteningly realistic. It was a horrific yet compelling drama.

[@christopherreynolds9254]

@@mhoppy6639 👍🏻

[@alfsmith4936]

I wonder if they had to do their own digging..

[@SUK2293]

currently playing prince charles in the crown@@mhoppy6639

[@Rando15]

She was more evil than he was but not by much. I'm sure that the officers involved needed therapy once this was over.

[@xStarblazer]

From the documentary he seems kinda dense whereas she seems more shrewd and calculated about it. Doesn’t really change much but it’s interesting all the same.

[@robinwalton-gm5ms]

Don't worry a lot of the coppers who were involved in this case were literally case hardened already . One of whom, the arresting officer of Rose West was a friend of mine...RIP Bob.

[@samanthaharrington8713]

Yes I've always thought the same thing... He came off as delusional and maybe even paranoid.... She came off as calculated and lacking in empathy....

[@MammaBear-xp7ur]

@@xStarblazerit’s often the meeting of 2 evils, at just the right time to get away with it. Not uncommon.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Why did they keep letting Rose go home?

[@NateHenry405]

I am grateful for documentaries like this because it educates the public what people can do. It's almost unfathomable the horrific behavior toward their children. It's just disgusting and how did they get away with it for so long without other people finding out? This one's almost unwatchable it's so disturbing

[@Gildermesh]

A complete failure of British policing yet again

[@paulweston285]

@@GildermeshYes the police messed up in the Yorkshire Ripper case too.

[@paulweston285]

@@mhoppy6639Yes they did and during that time women died.

[@paulweston285]

@@mhoppy6639 Thats very true and people suddenly became concerned when one was not a prostitute.

[@budgetnuclearweapons7858]

@@user-el8nz4yu4t Have you ever thought of seeking help? All you ever post is ridiculous claims that "so and so" knew. You seem very enthusiastic to spread misinformation and divert blame.......what are YOU hiding?

[@gaynorreid9236]

I dread to think how long they would carry on killing if it hadn’t been for Hazel Savage pushing and pushing . This detective was key to these horrific crimes carried out by the Wests . Well done to her and all the Police involved in this very very sad case ❤

[@stevecooke2041]

The actors playing Rose and Fred, especially Rose, are brilliant - but what a sad sad story for those they killed, their families - and the ruined lives of their surviving children.

[@jj-if6it]

And a really tough job too!

[@linda9115]

Feel sorry for the cops having to watch rose going at it on tape

[@pageribe2399]

🤢🤮

[@georgia8592]

Cops of today would love it 🤮

[@seanhutchinson5867]

😂😂

[@Guru-ue2yp]

Not me😂

[@EmilyHayspassedaway50]

Not rose, more like g rose. 🤮 🤢

[@jackgrant9301]

Who is that actor playing Fred West? He is absolutely chilling.

[@stevenweasel2678]

Boris Johnson

[@hellko2009]

​@@stevenweasel2678😂😂😂😂

[@PHILCHUDS]

He looks more like Benny from Crossroads !

[@781David]

It's in the credits. Dan Carey played Fred West.

[@alkintugsal7563]

@@stevenweasel2678🤣

[@thomasgray5406]

"How were they caught?" ought to be "How weren't they caught?". The gross incompetence of all the authorities concerned is incredible.

[@johngodley256]

The police refused to dig up the patio, because they may have looked silly if they did not find anything. Very competent, they should feel themselves lucky that no one else was murdered.

[@stevefowler3398]

Serial killers (all killers I guess) are very cunning. They don't advertise what they do. Don't brag about it in the pub. If you recall from this film, it was only a chance overhearing of the son's chatting that led to the early suspicions.

[@CityThatCannotBeCaptured]

The police 'allowed' them to destroy 99 videos of porn they had filmed. WTLF!

[@stevenweasel2678]

cos mebs an ex copper was on a few

[@andrewwilkinson8250]

Wonder who the tapes implicated

[@tinalyons3964]

ikr,, something bit weird with this case

[@vincent1193]

There was reported they were making snuff movies and there was police involvement

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Hazel Savage is a heroine cop ⭐ she deserves a medal or something.

[@patrickbarrett5650]

She was given a ‘caution’ by a Chief Constable due to rumours about her writing a book. The usual ‘unsung hero’. Britain specialises in them.

[@Kevinasp]

She got an MBE

[@Libranpoet]

Disgusting, brutal beasts. They don't deserve any mercy in this world or the next.

[@irielion3748]

The next? What are you talking about? Madness

[@Libranpoet]

@@irielion3748 The great hereafter, Heaven. A shame you're not familiar with it.

[@CB-xr1eg]

@@Libranpoet If it does exist, how can you be familiar with it if you're alive?🤔

[@SherrieMonica]

So glad heaven helped those poor little girls and the people that were killed come On Now You don't think those people prayed to live

[@fireinthesky3018]

The young girl who helped give them away had incredible inner strength to convince them to let her live, considering she was horribly tortured and raped . She managed to keep her wits about her so she could get away.

[@fireinthesky3018]

I remember reading about them a few years ago

[@jaymac7203]

She got them to humanise her. Very smart!

[@davidtydeman1434]

It is extraordinary how these people can maintain a facade of normality - holding a job and maintaining relations with the neighbours- while behaving like that and murdering multiple victims over many years

[@karenturner7184]

I have always wondered how it came abiut they were found out. Thank you for this.

[@cherubs5177]

She was allowed home on bail after two murders😮

[@ianmcculloch8531]

It seems to me that the UK has always been slack when dealing with these criminals.

[@mpol701]

Bailed for murders are u sure not watched whole thing but so far bailed for the rape accusations

[@chateaupig826]

😭😭 Those poor poor girls for the cruelty they endured and no one to hear their screams 😢😢❤❤🙏🙏⚘⚘

[@wazza29rep]

Great illustration of Fred & Rose! Its mad to think how many opportunities were missed to catch this couple earlier even if for lesser offences. Inevitable prison sentences could have resulted in some of the deceased still being alive. What's more if it wasn't for the rumour/joke about their daughter buried under the patio then this may have never come to light its bonkers!

[@turokforever007]

Fred was arrested for kidnapping but talked his way out of it.

[@waynesworld7804]

I can’t believe Rose was bailed after being charged with two counts of murder.

[@dumptrump3788]

The law doesn't treat men & women the same. A lot of men know that.

[@iaminpainauchocolat9300]

​@@dumptrump3788you're right. The law is so so so unfair to men that r-pe and abuse women. So mean. So unfair as well with custody hearings. So so so unfair.

[@MsMuradova]

Yes makes no sense whatsoever, real demons in human form 🫣

[@Gizmo30]

Yes that is Beyond Stupid!! And disrespectful against the victims families 😡

[@SherrieMonica]

Nobody should get bail anywhere if they're accused of murder

[@bobtranquilli9985]

Great re-enactments, unlike 99% of other docos.

[@Chirpy-k2j]

My mum told me a few years ago that she was a school friend of one of the victims. In the late 80's, I lived for a few months in midland road the same street where the killing began.

[@jetnight88]

Good on hazel for actually doing something

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Absolutely. She was pivotal

[@jaymac7203]

What a fantastic documentary 👏 I remember this case well.

[@zeejimi4044]

This is a most disturbing documentary of how evil and vile people can be towards their fellow human beings. It is like a private holocaust..😱😱😱 If anyone deserves to burn in hell, then it is such people. With regard to the real-life interview of West’s niece : personally, I would no longer want to know anything about these crimes, nor would I want to be associated with that surname anymore.

[@foreignparticle1320]

It's easy to make assumptions about other people's family relationships, and how they process trauma or seek closure. Some of us see everything in black and white, good and evil; some of us see overlapping shades of grey, and human complexity. I for one don't see why any of Fred's family should feel guilty or disgusted by their surname. Why allow someone who has violated so many lives to violate your own name too? Why give them that power? "You've shamed the family name" feels like a pretty medieval way of dealing with the sins of others over which we ourselves have no control.

[@whyitmatterstome]

How did so many girls go missing and it not be reported that they were missing? While many of the victims were clearly targeted because they were 'in care' or lost in the system, others weren't. I wonder how many of serial killers get away with it and are never caught? Horrifying that people like this exist in the world.

[@cynthiatolman326]

This program gives a lot of details and witness statements that the others I've seen either glossed over or didnt cover all. Thses crimes are nightmares the victims will never wake from.

[@iaminpainauchocolat9300]

That's because it's a tv show on BBC back in the day

[@iamsarahtonin]

When did this documentary come out, ​@@iaminpainauchocolat9300? Its very good. Fantastic performances.

[@sarahcox9284]

Feel so sorry for the niece and of course Fred and Rose's surviving children,i think the brother feels completely at a loss with what has happened,imagine being in any of their shoes,just so,so sad and terrible. I feel sorry for all those girls that were killed and the families that have to live with knowing what happened to them.

[@bernieob9577]

Absolutely, it's so sad.

[@lukejones-hr1fu]

Totally agree with the niece and Fred's brother must be such a horrible feeling when the public stare or give them foul looks/shout abuse for something they have no control over probably been turned down countless jobs etc as well just due to their unfortunate family name

[@SherrieMonica]

Change your name to East

[@mandymckeown8625]

@@SherrieMonica😂😂😂

[@barbaralamson7450]

There is not enough money in all of England to get me to play the part of Rose West. I just couldn't do it. I hope the actor's who played this vile couple came out of it okay.

[@tartaninka]

From a drama point of view, the actor portraying wee, smeary , jovial Fred the happy murderer, is doing a marvellous job here !!😮🎉🎉🎉😊

[@tradeladder146]

There Actors, relax, there actually providing an insight into the horrors of what went on, i for one applaud them.

[@user-vu7rv1xf1l]

I know someone called Rose West, she losses it if anyone dare calls her by her full name 😂 I think she should probably change it if she feels that strongly. Shes quite old though so definitely had that name before the news broke in the 90s.

[@CB-xr1eg]

@@tradeladder146 They're* not there*. (both times)

[@jj-if6it]

I've watched many documentaries and listened to podcasts etc, but I learnt something new about the case from both parts

[@fionabuck3937]

Who would have slept with him he looks like something out of Lord of the Rings

[@nicholacousins8563]

So his 1st wife says hes mad but gives both her daughter's to him 😮

[@laurenspenceruk]

My thoughts entirely!!😢

[@ellaeadig263]

I feel so sorry for Samantha West.

[@bernieob9577]

God love her,people need to leave her alone it's not her fault who her uncle was .she did nothing wrong.

[@robertzammit4200]

I would change my sur name if she wants to remain anonymous.

[@Kevinasp]

@@bernieob9577 It's not even her Dad's fault let alone hers.

[@babybee0640]

"Rose was charged with 2 murders, but allowed home on bail" this is why all those girls were allowed to die. Who the fuck lets a murderer go home???

[@cyclist68]

To say they were both damaged individuals because of their childhoods is an understatement. Not that its an excuse as thousands suffer the same way but don't go on to raope and mourder.

[@SherrieMonica]

Exactly like They're poor surviving daughter she's not a murderer and look what she went through them

[@serendipidus8482]

Yeah well maybe we should do something about it before they turn into murderers. I'm sure the ones who don't turn into murderers wouldn't mind.

[@johnkidd1226]

How do so many graves and so many missing girls not be discovered, especially those with connections to Fred and Rose.

[@summerspicer6153]

Sick,sick people, no way the family didn’t know they were both that deprived.

[@Spiderdan-59]

It was a blessing they were cought, their own daughter ffs how the hell could anybody do that you're own daughter beggers belief it's way beyond my comprehension 🤯🤯

[@irielion3748]

caught*** the past of catch. There is no 'cought'. What were you thinking?

[@kiryuchan860]

​@@irielion3748they are literally stating that they have a lack of comprehension, go easy on them.

[@CB-xr1eg]

@@irielion3748 There was no need to put three *** either. One is quite sufficient, any more is just unnecessary. What were you thinking?

[@SherrieMonica]

Person made a typo relax

[@jj-if6it]

When people kill strangers or people they're not related to it's one thing, but how can you kill and dismember your own child? You kept them alive for years, fed and sheltered them, and surely showed some affection. It just baffles me how they don't have the instinct to protect the. Don't have kids then?!

[@kaylew108]

The acting parts are flippin fantastic in this 😂

[@9kazcat]

I met someone through a mate who use to play round their house with their kids. Only thing she said was she had bathed round there as a kid. She was neighbours with them. She had anorexia and would never talk about it or tell anyone what had happened. Think that speaks volumes !

[@f.b.2931]

OmG..terrible.

[@pippamellon8678]

AND we pay for this crap service by police , social services..

[@TimothyWorel-xj9he]

1:54 When West answered yhe door he bore a striking resemblance to Gary Glitter in his heyday.

[@msmango6354]

What an idiot cop that says "police can't keep things in case of future need" 🙄 that is precisely what they should do in cases where the case has collapsed and not that there has been a conclusion let's face it they could have done a LOT more.

[@cbachinger]

When you hear a girl of any age going missing and you never hear from them again (eg. Madeline cain), it always ends up with murder and evidence of rape/sexual assault.

[@danjohnson2342]

Her parents killed her

[@racheldemain1940]

McCann!! Get the name right!

[@markwall330]

In cases like this the death penalty should be in force. 100% guilty

[@katherinecollins4685]

Well presented

[@anthonykology1728]

Child abuse was the least of it...

[@PandoraFoxxBurlesque]

I'm just glad that courts have Special Measures now to prevent a 13 year old (or kids of any age, or people with vulnerabilities) from having to go into a courtroom and give evidence in front of everybody - the defendant, the jury, everyone. Instead it's pre-recorded from a separate part of the court building or a different location entirely, do they're not having to go through that ordeal on top of what they already have

[@marcusharmon8389]

Bless that girl you can just see the pain in her face 😮

[@julietbarnes5634]

Thank you Hazel ❤

[@tinalyons3964]

why did the police burn those tapes?? Something strange about this whole case imo

[@Maximus_lobsticus]

They weren’t allowed to keep evidence after the charges were dropped just on the off-chance something happens in the future, the guy said in the doc.

[@lgreen2475]

I remember when it hit the news. Worst crime of that type in my lifetime.

[@joannelawrence2126]

This is quite well depicted, but because it’s very short, it brushes over many details. I’ve read books and seen countless documentaries about this dreadful case and this is the quickest depiction and description of all the facts. I would recommend anyone who’s interested in getting more of an idea of these monsters and their hideous crimes , to watch a TV drama called “Appropriate Adult”. In my humble opinion, Fred West was mentally challenged, evil, but mentally challenged. Rose West, although abused in childhood was and is simply, pure evil.

[@Keith-n7l]

We had a couple using a similar m.o. operating in Australia around the same time. Their final victim, who escaped, ran away naked, and found herself at a police station, was interviewed, discredited, and almost sent away by male officers, before a female officer became involved, and the couple were arrested, charged and sentenced. The female perpetrator is still alive. The male took his life in prison.

[@thethingonlycatscansee963]

@@Keith-n7l Fo you have names, please? I don’t know of this case.

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

​@@Keith-n7lFred took his life too. Cowards

[@PaganPunk]

Totally back you up there!

[@foolishlyfoolhardy6004]

Fred was smart enough to have his own little Mr. Whippy (ice-cream van) business before ever meeting Rose. It is thought he started kidnapping (we know he kidnapped someone) and m*rdering girls (we don't know for certain) in that van. And he hit and k*lled a small boy. He was also the one who honed the "craft" of dismembering, and is most likely the one who took trophies and (very probably) canibalised them. I mean you've probably read this stuff in the books - but Fred was pure evil in the same vein as Rose. And I don't think she's any smarter than he was. He just doesn't have the more domineering character that Rose has, he was more demure and "pleasant" (personality-wise) and while he was the one to first introduce k*lling into their MO, she is the one who escalated the r*pe to more extremes, while he watched. It is thought that if it were to have gone on, she would have turned on him. She was jealous, cold and vindictive. Happy to throw anyone away to save her own skin. I just think because of their personalities that it's easier to see the evil in her. Fred was called a "likeable guy," she was never called a likeable woman. I think this idea that he was just a dim witted guy who was easily manipulated, comes back to this misogynistic idea that it's always a womans fault, like we see when people are talking about the case of Chris Watts. They both drove each other in these crimes. They're both as smart and evil as each other.

[@kieranwillis395]

They were extremely controlling and almost got away with it. Very sly deranged perverts. The fact they got rid of Heather, Rena, and Charmaine they thought they’d got rid of people who were a threat and it was ironically what brought them down

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

It’s always the female detectives who are relentless at solving crimes.

[@VetriVade]

Name 5

[@SherrieMonica]

Absolutely not every female detective I'm sure male detectives solve crimes to sexist

[@anneloving8405]

Can you name 5 male detectives in 5seconds.

[@serendipidus8482]

Except when it's a man. So sexist to say that.

[@patriciau6277]

British police “Destroyed evidence “?!

[@trishlong8835]

I live not far away from cromwell street i can recall everything about these evil people.Believe me Gloucester will never forget.

[@CB-xr1eg]

I heard the house has been demolished, is that true?

[@giddygrub7176]

​@@CB-xr1eg yes.

[@f.b.2931]

Rose is still living, this evil monster

[@abbieroseholden4174]

Its not just the victims its their actual children my heart also breaks for 😢😢

[@claireamos8613]

If this had happened in a Scotland, Fred would still had been prosecuted for taking a 13 year old child. God if they had changed the laws, Fred would have been caught instead of walking free, mason greenwood would even be in jail right now.

[@christynorman7288]

Many of his victims in Scotland on his milkman round - no one did anything to investigate. The number will never be known.

[@Teeah333]

This story is so disturbing

[@amandawhiteley6737]

Makes me shudder. I reached my teens in late 70s early 80s. Having found out this in 94, i can't seem to compute this kind of thing was happening back then! if these crimes hadnt been investigated, heaven knows what might have still happened since. Im in my late 50s.

[@AnnaInWonderTube]

This case shows us the best way, that even blood ties doesn't count in the psychopathic killer's mind. No parenthood feelings, no nothing, just emptiness

[@TinaHenderson-cl9mb]

Wonder how her kids are? Hope their lives are full of love

[@liverbirdxoxo1984]

their son stephen was arrested for underage sex back in 2004

[@jadepixie2719]

Their youngest son Barry committed suicide in 2020 age 40.

[@TinaHenderson-cl9mb]

@@jadepixie2719 tragic. There for the grace of God eh?

[@jadepixie2719]

Yes, it very sad. 😞 If you want to know more details about the West children you can read Mae West (Fred & Rose’s second daughter.) autobiography “Love as always, Mum” which details Mae and her siblings lives after her parents were unmasked as serial killers.

[@Gizmo30]

@@liverbirdxoxo1984 A chip of the old man 😮

[@Keith-n7l]

I couldn't help but think of the Jack The Ripper murders throughout this documentary. One element is common throughout all of these events - poverty. Many times, the victims had little option to leave - in the case of the daughters, or avoid going home with the Wests in the case of the ladies procured while walking the streets. One of the daughters was a job away from surviving, and starting a new life. Some of the victims who escaped had led such awful lives anyway, that they expected to be mistreated throughout life, and were just grateful to get away, without the ordeal of going to court. The brighter students didn't have money or life experience, which left them no better off. Like Jeffery Epstein, the Wests knew where to find victims, and how to exploit them. There are thousands of psychopaths born into the world every year. - They have no genuine feelings for their fellow human beings. - They are just born that way. Society tells them that they should care for others, so they learn to pretend to have emotions in an effort to 'fit in.' It's important that parents speak candidly to their children about these issues, because being a psychopath isn't illegal. Acting on bad impulses and getting caught is. Harvey Weinstein enjoyed a very good life for many years - as did Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville. Talk to your children. Tell them about all the wonderful people - like focussed, determined police women - who will look out for them, and come to their aid, however when they are old enough, educate them about paedophiles and psycopaths. Pre-arm your kids. Give them the skills they need to survive and thrive in the world.

[@SoniaSTH]

Couldn't agree more with what you say but it makes me desperate to think it's all preaching to the converted. Lack of awareness, poverty and lack of choices will continue to go hand in hand, inevitably creating new victims (((((

[@HarryPottersBeard]

Wow. This was a mych deeper dive than anything I'd heard or seen previously. I've watched a lot of true crime but this really disturbed me. Some cases stay with you more than others, Gannon Stauch, Harmony Montgomery, Tyre Nichols and now this. Not that any crime victim is less important, it's just some resonate more for reasons I cant personally explain. What a swathe of devastation. The utter horror of what these children, girls and women endured is unfathomable. 😞

[@chrissibersky4617]

If they were politicians everyone would know about it but nothing would be done about it. And I think that's the reason they release those kind of people back out on the streets again against the people's wishes even though they know that sexual preferences can't be "cured".

[@darrynmeadows]

a good argument to reinstate capital punishment

[@katesleuth1156]

And Rose West was allowed out on bail while awaiting her trial. WTH

[@nunyabiz2016]

How do people become like this? 😮

[@jj-if6it]

Abused as children

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

@@jj-if6ityes!

[@deirdrelavery1479]

No one will never forget what happen rose is were she belongs and we all know were Fred is hell

[@kelliegemma627]

I live Gloucester and it was so sad

[@serendipidus8482]

Do you actually talk like that?

[@serendipidus8482]

Do you talk like that?

[@AlhambraIndus]

Thank God for Hazel Savage, she never took her eye off of Fred, not for a second.

[@leosmoonfish2849]

Deirdre Barlow doing a bit of moonlighting from Corrie.

[@praveenchaudhary2887]

Literal “Partners in crime”

[@JacquelineCurran-i7g]

The female officer at the time didn't get any acknowledgement at all at the time,if it wasn't for her God knows how much more this madness would go on for

[@moriarty6958]

I didn't do it! >car door closes ok I did it I know I shouldn't of laughed but that made me laugh

[@ZootBurger]

😂😂😂

[@Ilovekudaliniyoga]

I don't understand the nanny and the other woman who had relatinships with them. Wht did they hang around?? And as for that neice saying about how heartbroken she was seeing her Dad's face when given the news about Fred's death 'it eas still his brother no matter what he done' well I am just speechless!

[@Littleleoshouse]

“Police can’t keep things just in case” um that is literally their job

[@TheWanderingFinnegan]

Nope.

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

No they can’t however much they may want to at times.

[@dontgetmadgetwise4271]

A vast network of family, relatives, friends, acquaintances, friends of and families of… etc knew that evil was happening. Why did this reveal take so long? Funny lot we humans.

[@70srocknroll]

They where both messed up

[@racheldemain1940]

Were not where!!

[@jj-if6it]

This is hard to watch, using American documentaries are less graphic. This shows how it was

[@gaynorsmith4596]

It would be unbelievably stupid not to keep evidence, just because one individual backs out due to being too vulnerable to continue with proceedings. What the heck? Sooh, disappointed. Even then, in the ‘older times’ these records should have been saved. And the girls listened to. I know I never was. But then, I never told anyone. Further back…

[@MsMuradova]

They are demons in human form, all this makes zero sense, how can ppl be this cruel, they are real demons

[@Mute_Nostril_Agony]

Nice of Eddie Izzard to play Rose West

[@blueheart1946]

Nothing is mentioned abiut John West, Fred's brother, a bin man, who did extra collections from Fred's house. He committed suicide when everthing came to light . Why?

[@CB-xr1eg]

John West does a great line in canned tuna!😁

[@Gizmo30]

Because he was involved, and was a coward like Fred.

[@christynorman7288]

They went out to pick up girls at chippies, shops as just walking home girlz were kidnapped and taken to thekr house of horror. Both of them and having a woman there made some girls not realise the danger.

[@nforne]

Judas goat.

[@perrieargent9997]

Police destroyed videos relevant to a child cruelty cases? What utter dunces! Thank God for the smarts of a female Police officer’s diligence, namely Hazel Savage. I think women have that sort of thoroughness needed. They don’t tend to brush things off for a quiet life.

[@geeday8731]

I use to live in Wellington street ..the next street to cromwell st... everyday i use to walk past their house and always felt an ominous presence when walking past it...in the end i use to cross the road when it came to their house... then it came out when they were caught... now i know what that feeling was... house been demolished now

[@gatocat3336]

I Hope people judge Fred Wests brother and niece on their own merit, and not on the fact they were related to Fred West. I’m afraid however that they are going to be two more victims of Fred West