Rose West: The Woman With A House Of Horrors | Female Serial Killers | Absolute Crime

Martina Cole is a crime author and in this absolute crime documentary, she explores the crimes and life of Rose West. Rosemary Pauline West is an English serial killer who collaborated with her husband, Fred West, in the torture and murder of at least 10 young women between 1973 and 1987; she also murdered her eight-year-old stepdaughter Charmaine in 1971.
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[@mathildaweir]

My nan went to school with her, lived round the corner from her but she was warned by her parents not to go near the house because it was known of the abuse that went on there. My nan used to run past the house on her way back from school because of this.

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

😮

[@paulinemakepeace4582]

I was reading a book the other day by a woman who lived in their stomping ground. She narrowly missed being abducted as she decided not to take up Rose West request to get in her car with some story of being a make up girl or model (some such nonsense). Thank god her gut told her not to go and she lived to tell the tale.

[@pennyc11]

It is sad though, isn't it? When we are young, most of us are not steered toward reporting what could be a dangerous person. We just wipe our brow and are thankful we made the right choice. My greatest hope is our sharing these stories will teach us all when it is important to share our experiences with the people who can make a difference. As much as it is important to educate those in positions of power how damaging such abuse is for their victims. Why, they need to stop showing pity for sadistic abusers through weak sentencing and early release from prison. I am so happy, she was taught to not trust strangers, even friends too much. I knew better too but sadly, they left out the part that your abusers could be the people living in your own home. Or other members of your family. I can imagine they didn't go far enough because of the threats abusive parents put onto educators and law enforcement. Abusers will not hesitate to bully anyone who dares to threaten their opportunities to commit crimes. I was also afraid of my abusers hurting my friend whose family tried to help me when they suspected I was being abused. This is how the brain washing works. They convince you that every bad thing that happens to your siblings, your pets, happens because you are resisting their demands. You try to protect those you love by sacrificing your own wellbeing. It is a horrible existence.

[@paulinemakepeace4582]

@@pennyc11 The book I read "Slipping Through the net" where I took the reference from was a sad tale of a little girl who whilst living in Worcester had a bad childhood and did not get taught not to trust stranger's it was some in built feeling that stopped her getting into Rose West's car..we should rely on our gut instincts more often.

[@pennyc11]

@@paulinemakepeace4582 Thank you for sharing the book title. My instincts when I was younger were a bit clouded because of the years of abuse and religious training. Even therapists missed the pattern I was following unconsciously. Though therapy did help me focus on myself so I could recognize the dangers of forgiveness. It is a good rule to follow except when it isn't. There are instances where you might forgive, if it doesnt lead to more abuse but if or when it does? I had to pick up a lot sooner knowing when to walk away. Don't look back. I say religion because I was misled. Instead of forgiving abuse, leaders, influencers, should have directed me to prosecute my abusers. By not doing so, I carry this guilt and I left others vunerable to abuse. It was a mistake. I am not beating myself up for it but mistakes followed throughout life that some clarity would have helped my family. People tell us to not to be paranoid or don't worry about it. Too much that interferes with you making good contributions in life, yes. Ambition is good. Some risk can be rewarding. But to toss caution to the wind when the risk is high or rash decisions? Not good. It might be a sad reality but once you have heard enough sad stories and cautionary tales? It feels too inhuman or selfish to ignore the part we all should play, at some level, to ease the suffering, promote safety for others. I say, sure, I can forget the abuse. To me though that is discounting the suffering of others. As well as the work many people in my childhood did that saved me from my worst nightmares. Humph..my adult daughter stated abusers should get a second chance. As if my brothers and I did not try this as children only to be further betrayed. They used our love for each other to abuse us more. Oooh..it makes me so mad. I cannot forget those sad little faces of abused children. It hurts but reality is some people care very little about the truth if it doesn't fit the view they want to be their reality. Cases like these are important to me. I guess a part of me had to know why do people choose to be this cruel? Most of all for me it is a teaching element to help me recognize bad people. It has motivated me to work with young children.. In part teaching them social skills to help peacefully resolve conflicts and bad emotions. And give them lots of hugs and encouragement. This is what my father's family gave to me and the dream of escaping my abusers so I could return to them kept me alive. Missing me is what made my grandmother and aunts push my father to get a court order to take us away from our abusers forever.😊

[@tsambikasabineiakovidis7755]

@@pennyc11 so right... so sad... I'm so sorry, such bad luck it must have been such an ordeal... 🥹

[@williamharper6458]

This was a really good series that was aired on the BBC . Miss Caroline Roberts was the young nanny who was the original nanny of the infamous Fred and Rosemary West , Caroline lived in the Forest of Dean and she wrote two very interesting and accurate books of her ordeals with the West’s and her lucky escape . Caroline died a few years ago from cancer .

[@ladyandrews9371]

Those precious kids in the photos 🥺who could harm a child 😤😡

[@gowdsake7103]

Ask the catholics

[@Icarus110]

There Is No Excuse For What She He Did Just Because You Have A Messed Up Childhood Doesn't Give You The Right To Kill Or Hurt Others.

[@tonyarceneaux286]

But I bet Rose 🌹 West ⬅️ had an excuse.

[@user-su6zt2of2p]

Doesn't give her the right but doesn't even give her the better judgement of right or wrong. She got imprisonment for that fact that she has no right to do what she did but o don't think she regrets or realizes a single thing

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@@tonyarceneaux286she had a reason, not an excuse. There is no excuse

[@leannedarley2256]

You don't know much about psychology

[@leannedarley2256]

Not saying everyone who has a bad past turns out killers but it plays a part does mental health

[@pennyc11]

One of the reasons why Rose's case is an important study is why we have a duty to keep informed about Child Protective Agencies. It was one of the children's conversations about abuse that brought back Social Services. This compounded by their missing child. The case worker should not have had to fight this hard to make progress in her investigation. More of those children could have been murdered had she not been so dedicated to her work. I am interested in most abuse cases because even we as victims, were not encouraged to prosecute child abusers. As children, we must depend on our parents, other adults to plead our cases for us. The Stature of Limitations did not work because abused children were not informed of their legal rights to prosecute an offender as an adult. It has made abusing children very attractive to a certain kind of criminal. I finally reached an age when I recognized I was a part of the problem. So, now, before I expire, I want to be a part of the solution. Sadly, we cannot be in everyone's homes. We can however educate the public, children about the dangers of child abuse. Push our legal system to investigate to their fullest capacity allegations of abuse and prosecute, with sentencing that fits the crime. Make sure survivors know and have a safe refuge to escape further abuse. Siblings too if the crimes are abusive. Violating a child is a heinous crime. It should be treated as such. Repeat offenders should not be released back into our neighborhoods. We send out our children to school, to play, for errands and sometimes back into terrible homes. For us to be able to help our children develop into happy, productive human beings, it is our duty to provide them with a safe community to accomplish all of that. Predictors should be afraid of us. Not the other way around. A child should not have to be murdered to get our attention that they are suffering from abuse. We can save these children's lives if we educate them about safety and our legal system must stop putting these...criminals back into our neighborhoods. It is wrong to confuse mistakes with choices to purposely harm a child.

[@georgia8592]

Totally agree

[@hevoskuiskaaja2008]

Early intervention is key.

[@louloulou7522]

I disagree, you still know what is right and wrong, especially people that have been abused...they know how much it hurts

[@leep1667]

Exactly! The West's own children didn't become sexual predators and murderers despite enduring all manner of abuse all their life.

[@pennyc11]

Yes, which is why they do not deserve a pass. Defense lawyers have to come up with something. Juries and judges however need to be prevented from passing down weak judgments that are putting our children at risk for abuse.

[@hevoskuiskaaja2008]

My heart goes out to the West children, I hope they have the needed tools to keep healing.

[@jennaxoxox]

Things like this blow my mind! Rose was terribly abused when she was small but why would you do those things to someone else? You know first hand what it feels like why would you want someone else to feel that? Not only did you do the same that was done to you, you escalated it 😵‍💫😵‍💫🤯

[@sarahholland2600]

I did child psychology as part of my teaching degree. Children who grow up in abuse can sometimes ( not always) become desensitised & see it as a norm they model & repeat. It's also sometimes an attempt to take back their lost power & avoid their victimhood. Rose was also born with mild brain damage due to her mother having electric shock therapy when 8 months pregnant. Psych studies have shown there are proven links between brain injury & violence, lack of empathy & poor impulse control. Further studies into this are ongoing.

[@Daz377]

Genetic I presume

[@lyrickoner]

​@sarahholland2600 Regardless, she had free will and could've chose not to murder or abuse. As you've already stated, many children who were abused grow up to become decent members of society. There's never and excuse for this type of behaviour unless a person is truly insane and unaware of what they're doing.

[@sarahholland2600]

@@lyrickoner Rose had a very low IQ & brain damage. We dont know her true mental competence to be honest. I did read that after Fred was arrested & until she was also arrested, she started behaving & dressing oddly & regressed to odd, childlike behaviour, watching cartoons 24/7. The most recent psych study on every serial killer on Death Row found 96% had at least 3 of the following: childhood abuse, mental health issues, bullied/socially isolated, head injury resulting in personality change( the brains frontal lobe controls empathy, impulse control & emotions). Both Fred & Rose West had all 4 of these factors.

[@pjm8433]

This is the best version of these evil people I’ve seen. You really did a lot of good investigating . It made it more interesting. Thanks for an informative video.

[@lennarthagen3638]

Yes what a classy host. Rofl

[@iamlost2]

@@lennarthagen3638 Are you British? If so, or if you know, would you tell me what "remanned" means? Also, if she's one of the "most renown serial killers" how come I don't know of her over here in the USA? Before my time? Or it wasn't big enough to go worldwide? Or because I was too young to care about the "news" more than "car-TOONS" as my dad would often say and pronounce it like that or weirdly, anyway, such as "car-TOONs" so I missed it, or most likely my parents wouldn't let me watch it because I was too young, as she often did that to me and only me until I finally grew up and became older then 13yo or maybe 15 yo.... if any of that helps lol. TIA seriously

[@wintergirl8]

​@iamlost2 "on remand" refers to the period of time a suspect is being held in a facility awaiting arraignment on charges. In Canada, we have remand centres for this purpose. As far as you not hearing about this case, it's difficult to say why, except that the US is notorious for not giving much press to anything that happens in other parts of the world.

[@brenda1378]

Ok entitled hooray Henrietta. You show a total lack of class.@@lennarthagen3638

[@brenda1378]

Sadly America liked to keep its citizens uneducated, since the advent of platforms like this Americans are slowly learning about the rest of the world. Free speech was only for American publications they were not allowed publications from the rest of the world. Even films made in other countries were edited for the American market. @@iamlost2

[@supahfly_uk]

My mum lived two doors away from Rose, my mum even let her hold me, which is terrifying.

[@susannaengelbrektsson9801]

Thank good your okay

[@kerstinklenovsky239]

The authorities could not be bothered to investigate thoroughly. 😭

[@lyrickoner]

No one is "born bad". Yes, some people find it easier to committ violent acts, but ultimately it's the choices you make that determine whether you're a good person or not.

[@softlystolen1208]

I don’t think Daisy Letts undergoing ECT while pregnant with Rose did Rose any favors…and then her upbringing. Perfect storm for a sociopath

[@irenelakhan5331]

Those poor kids😢 I had a dysfunctional life with my parents being new immigrants and my dad being a alcoholic and never working. But this abuse is heartbreaking. How do you come back from that? My love and faith is with the West children ❤

[@terereynolds698]

Fred took the cowards way out. I grew up in the 60's and 70's. I have 3 younger brothers, two have passed on. Growing up, we were hit with my stepdad's belt, I wasn't sexually abused, but we did go through mental abuse by our mom and physical abuse by our stepdad. Back then, no one ever said anything. My brothers and I didn't grow up to be sexual predators, mentally or physically abusive to our kids. The only one of us that suffered a brain injury was my brother that was a year younger than me, he had a few football concussions and he fell off his skateboard and hit his head on a curb, he was taken to the hospital, but he didn't suffer any long-term brain damage.

[@amandawarren8856]

There is so much information left out of this episode. Anyone who wants a good deep dive on this couple and their brutal crimes should check out Stephanie Harlowe.

[@petewhite3844]

Did she do a deep dive on these 2? I can't find it and have been watching her since 2020 and don't remember seeing it

[@amandawarren8856]

@@petewhite3844 I'm pretty sure. Also, since you like Stephanie, you should check out Emma Kenny.

[@Shianne264]

I agree, Rose and Fred had very abusive childhoods, both sexual and physical. There were other factors that contributed to the way they were that weren't mentioned either.

[@andreana_s_7685]

I agree, too - this programme totally fails to mention well over half of the essential information that is involved in this very complex case that covers a span of more than 20 years. This documentary is pure sensationalism, which I think serves absolutely no justice to the many, many victims, plenty of whom are still alive today. There is a book called 'Happy Like Murderers' by Gordon Burn, which gives a real indepth look into the lives of Fred, Rose, and their families & crimes. It's very traumatising and complex, well worth reading. Also, Anne Marie West has given a couple of interviews and also written a book - it's called 'Out of the Shadows' & is way better than the book her half sister, Mae West, wrote. Mae stood by her mother after the crimes were exposed & her book is just a poor selection of parts of letters written between herself & her mum, Rose, whilst Rose was in prison. It gives the impression that Mae still hasn't absorbed or accepted the reality of her parents crimes & abuse against her and her siblings, Whereas Anna, she suffered the majority of abuse from Fred & Rose and her eyes are wide open; I have upmost respect for Anne Marie West. She tells the truth as best she can about her unimaginable childhood. This documentary, though, It's a massive fail for me: it leaves out far too much information & it's just insulting and sensationalist.

[@watsonspuzzle]

@@andreana_s_7685 I got these books on your recommendation. Looking forward to reading them.

[@deebhoymcw2120]

So many excuses being made for a horrible murderer

[@brenda1378]

not excuses but an understanding of the phycology

[@pattybaker3113]

There's lots of women today that are incarcerated for killing their own children and that do not care what they did to their own child they have no remorse whatsoever for doing what they did to any child

[@SamStringfield]

I once heard a psychiatrist say that the most evil thing one person can do is for a parent to be murder their own child. - anyone else know about this?

[@justinthyme5382]

It's strange that some people are against the Death Penalty, just look at the burden that law abiding people are faced with, all the taxes being paid to keep these disgusting pieces of S...T alive.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

I think you'll find Fred is long-since dead.

[@tracyross5831]

HERE HERE 👍. Bring back the Death Penalty........For ALL of the Child Abusers 👍👍👍👍👍🤞

[@AmberLizzieBow444]

The death penalty is morally wrong. *Especially* for someone whos brain damged

[@TheFullmetal88m]

The fact so many people think women are not capable of great violence is blind.. absolute psychos under the right circumstances. Every human is capable of atrocities... some of the most gruesome stuff imaginable. This is why human behavior doesn't shock me

[@davem8836]

File this under, "People who should best be forgotten."

[@charlieross4674]

Forget history, and you risk it being repeated.

[@kaianttila1619]

I would actually like to know more about their victims.

[@alliekattlopez5535]

She became best of friends with Myra Hindley for a time, until Rose said Myra was not going to " use" her.

[@Charley.Farley]

Bizarre isn’t it, I hear she’s some sort of “mother hen” in prison, kind of runs the ship.

[@josh76]

They were lovers from a bit

[@georgia8592]

The fact Rose west was still in a sexual relationship with her father as an adult is abborant

[@pauljones8218]

rose west dad was a randy dirty old bugger

[@kimwalsh]

Sad no matter how you look at it or whom you look at

[@moeskeetz5473]

You can’t use a persons childhood to explain these horrific acts that these 2 committed. They got off on killing like most psychopaths

[@trinade3732]

@mor you really should get educated before you open your uneducated mouth. Her father was a schizophrenic, extreme abuse! How flippant you are with the statement it wasn't JUST the way she was raised. raped and sexually molested by her mother and father but also she had brain damage. The doctors gave her mother electrical shock while she was pregnant. Fred also was extremely abused and also had two major head traumas. the brain is very delicate

[@user-do1wv3ve1n]

Only at opening credits and I hope they mention her love relationship with Myra Hindley How the ffs could that ever be allowed ?

[@joemcgill4436]

you are talking bullshite

[@iramqadeer190]

Same 💯 I am also very curious about that relationship between 2 evils

[@lindahamilton3569]

By chance I've happened onto this channel and I'm a true crime fan. So let's see your take on those most of us call MONSTERS!!!

[@swansong5263]

I think a verbal explanation is enough We don’t need a visual dramatisation.

[@angeldsouza777]

Wholeheartedly agree. The descriptions are disturbing enough.

[@ABeautfulMess]

I have been a sofa detective since the 80s..trying to find out why...still can't wrap my head around it..I understand mental illness..I have bipolar but I don't think this is same..can this type of evil be genetic. Hope not my great great mother killed all 7 of her children. My grandfather remarried and had 8 more. My grandmother was the youngest in 1923..she suffered schizophrenia

[@iramqadeer190]

This type of things are so confusing, we can never be sure of what's the actual reason behind these illnesses. Moreover I believe schizophrenia is the most complex disorder, as it keeps on varing, it has so many different ways of expression

[@ABeautfulMess]

@@iramqadeer190 yes schizophrenia is quite complicated. My grandmother had schizophrenia

[@danielleweterings5544]

The father of Rose had also Schizofrenia but no jou want to understand and learn about it.I think you have to be who jou are..Maybe you have some personal issues but that is not this!!!!These are a combination of lack of even a coinsience or have a kick out of hurting people.,killing out of yealousy narcists etc etc..No do not think that..Hug from me

[@pennyc11]

Rose's refusal to come clean about all of the crimes proves her involvement as well as her selfish nature, which could have been learned from her father. He convinced her she was special. She built her self esteem on his words and the evidence of how powerful she was because of her loyalty to her abusers. I say that because mum allowed it to carry on. No doubt in part of the church message, you bought it,it is your problem now. This bullpucky has greatly enabled abuser and motivates them to hook up with the naive girls.

[@iamlost2]

How does someone "build (themselves) or their self-esteem on words and how can that be proven, that her involvement was her selfish nature? Sheesh, do you really just know all that, or was there a documentary that come up out of this story? Or a trial, and a story later? Or was there a follow-up story that aired later? Also, what evidence of power did she possess, or how and or why was she "powerful"?

[@pennyc11]

@@iamlost2 You are asking for an entire study of someone who became so sadistic, she forced her daughters to participate in their horrible crimes as victims. How does one build their self-esteem, as a child who is used by her father? First, in her mind, she was taught that behavior was not wrong. Second, she was given positive reinforcement for engaging in that behavior that was denied her other siblings. Third, she continued to use this bad behavior to get what she wanted out of life. Did she know it was wrong? A part of her did. Another part of her had reached the point that she didn't care. Hurting others satisfied her need to act out in part how she was taught to behave. Because she benefitted from her actions. Some, physically. Others in the ability to control others who she could dominate by exploiting their weakness. How do I know all of this? Guess? Besides reading many articles, interviews of her case, I have experienced this with another woman very much like her but who did not reach the horrific level Rose did because she only had one daughter to sacrifice and my father was not her accomplice. This woman murdered to achieve her goals. She murdered a young child who she knew was a threat to her intent to use and abuse those she gained control over. Later, even now, her devious nature, her inner self-worth is so great, you can call that conceit, that she chooses to not reveal every terrible thing she had done to so many innocent people. She is one angry woman. She is so mad her control over her evil husband failed her. Some of her children betrayed her. She was so sure, her husband would take all of the blame leaving her free. A madwoman indeed. For the rest of her pitiful existence.

[@thee49-d3m]

'environment determines consciousness'

[@skepticusmaximus184]

But seriously it's an interesting question whether these predilections are inate or learned. But regardless of nature or nurture, it still doesn't establish the reality of intrinsic personal FAULT that liability is predicted upon.

[@leep1667]

*yawn*

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@leep1667 *FART*

[@tammyhall3144]

Regardless of Nature vs Nurture, they knew what they were doing was wrong. If they had believed it was acceptable, they would have never concealed their crimes.

[@messrsandersonco5985]

We know the answer. If you really want to know, you'll need to read more books to find out. It's well documented now by psychiatrists.

[@cheetahpanther1306]

i drove through Gloucester recently and realized its where they hunted - made me feel weird a bit

[@Kirramagic]

I had the same feeling when I was driven through Hungerford once... when you know the tragedy, you never look at the location with carefree eyes.

[@starshine1843]

That public footpath where 25 Cromwell street used to be, no way would I ever step foot on it knowing what happened in that space.

[@christinerobinson890]

She was a beautiful child and an adorable teenager. How mucked up was her life. I’m sickened by this story.

[@helensomeone6167]

Nature Loads The Gun..Nurture pulls The Trigger🙏

[@Aliyaevans1994]

Having a difficult child dosent matter and no right to kill or hurt them disgusting these people were such horror

[@nigefal]

Martina Cole looks scarier than Rose West!

[@justbatters566]

Rose was the driving force, behind these crimes. Hence, Fred killed himself, if had it had been the other way round. Rose, would have topped herself. Think about it? Horrific crimes.

[@theycallyoucrybabycrybaby4778]

Fun fact: Rose actually attempted to commit suicide whilst awaiting trial but of course failed

[@pennyc11]

@@theycallyoucrybabycrybaby4778 She is too important, to herself. Which is why most of us are convinced, either Epstein was given the means to hang himself or died with assistance. The man was too conceited to just end his life so easily, without a fight. No, I must object to this theory. Fred murdered before Rose did. They really just used each other. Both, I believe in their own minds thinking each controlled the will of the other. They just operated on different wavelengths. Part of the theory is that Fred committed some crimes without Rose's involvement. Rose definitely abused her children and others when Fred was away at work. The decision to murder I have little doubt was a joint conclusion. Just as the crimes being committed were taking place mostly as a joint venture. Fred's original plan was to take the rap so that Rose could support him from the outside. He believed their bond was solid. When Rose spurned him in court? The message was clear. She would betray him thinking it would save her own skin. He knew she was the only person who might love him. Without her? He was only just a miserable pig, unable to get his, "needs" met. A sick tale indeed.

[@lizr990]

yeah try wanted ppl to feel sorry come on she wanted she would i’d dropped died she a manipulative her own kids said she was more mean then their dad

[@bambinaforever1402]

There was another doc about younger age of fred and rose, fred had been married to anither prostitute, Anne-Marie was his daughter with that previous wife, but she had her own daughter which she left with Fred when she left. I think the girl’s name was Cheryl, also i m not sure anymore. Rose started with fred and was looking after them. Fred was at some point serving time for theft or robbery, so while he was doing time she killed his daughter when she was 10 years old. He also had killed his lover who became pregnant while married to his first wife

[@starshine1843]

I had horrible nightmares about the west's and yes Rose was by far more evil.

[@Junkhead91]

Three adverts and I’m only 4mins in. Sort it out

[@tegwenhafparry7488]

Well if you think theyre born bad then how can they help it

[@Paulineramsden.]

Great title, but rose west is no lady…

[@IrishPride7]

Imagine walking through that lane where the house used to be late at night on your own creepy as fuck.

[@nochsonnenlicht]

so long time, so many years, not only one person who visited those girls have ever doubted the situation in this house. not only one person who visited those girls called the social warefare agency or child abuse agency.....

[@Marylsa]

The little rose, i feel sorry for. But the adult Rose i despise

[@snd7810]

Heather was such a beautiful child. How horrible it is to do this your own first born. Can never get my head around why Anne Marie didn’t severe ties with Rosemary West and kept visiting her in prison. Maybe because unfortunately she’s the only family left for Anne Marie.

[@foolishlyfoolhardy6004]

Abuse can do that to people. They become bonded to their abuser in a way that is so difficult to sever. She was a target to some of the worst of it from a really young age. I hope Anne-marie finds peace one day and she can become free from Rose.

[@CharlieBrown-lt3tq]

What a horrible sad thing. I have never doubted in the sanctity of mother's love; ALL mothers. Now I am not so sure.

[@raymondbatchelor1372]

I was in Winston green prison. The screws told me they killed Fred west and on d wing his cell is a tea room for the screws as a trophy room

[@raymondbatchelor1372]

@Kerrie Wilson nonces love working on them ice cream vans. I would never send a kid to one. I think they are freaky with that noise. It reminds me of the fair and clowns . Not good lol

[@celticmist14]

Nine bodies were found at the house and another three were found at Much Marcle

[@kellyshomemadekitchen]

Poor Charmaine! 😓

[@erminiomerola461]

what makes people turn like this? are they born like this or? shocking

[@rolandrothwell4840]

I take issue with yhe presenter calling Rose west as "born bad". I believe Rose West was born with mental health problems, compounded by sexualized violence from a young age. If Rose was brought up by nurturing, loving and caring parents she just might have turned out normal, rather than as the most extreme evil serial sexual saddist serial killer 🤔

[@chickenlover657]

Psychopathy is inherent. We know this in science 50 years now.

[@rolandrothwell4840]

@@chickenlover657 i do believe people may be born with some psychological disturbance and the breaks are taken off to a certain extent. So you have a valid point. Nonetheless, Rosemary West grew up in a violent and incest ridden home. This background (the lack of a gentle, stable, nuturing environment) genuinely facilitated and engendered her psychopathy to grow and flourish. The environment in her early years when the brain is developing were so nefarious the gun was loaded and ready to shoot by the time she met Fred. That's all I'm suggesting

[@MoRobinson39]

West to Letby when she walked in, alright my lover.

[@AmberLizzieBow444]

is lucy a lesbian?,?!?!,

[@chicagogyrl4846]

Why in the world did her mother allow her father to abuse the kids??!!

[@chickenlover657]

LOL

[@Jojo-kp5eb]

I wouldn’t call them ladies

[@celticmist14]

What a pity that the police didn't listen to her otherwise all those murders would not have occurred

[@AmberLizzieBow444]

I feel so bad for heather

[@paulwales249]

Far too many adverts on this channel!! I won’t be subscribing.

[@andrewmiller3228]

Aside from lady killers, I have to say that Martina is gorgeous, and her books are the bollox.

[@djsimonrossprice9400]

As bad as Rose West was, she pales into insignificance to Amelia Dyer.... Britons ever worst EVER serial killer...

[@celticmist14]

no she tortured her victims as dyer killed them and they likely wouldn't have known

[@albertobohon.]

30:21 poor moments

[@sjb408]

I begged Cardiff police to check st MELLONS back garden and bournville police forensics SARS in 1996-7

[@brainstormingsharing1309]

👍👏👍👏👍👏👍

[@johnLee-qm7pm]

How many times in UK crime stories do you here that the police and social services didn't act on cases till sometimes years later and in this case 5 long years, how many lives might have been saved if they'd have got off there backsides and acted when they were first informed of the young girls disappearance instead of saying she might just have run away. There an absolute waste of tax payers money and our time !

[@SamStringfield]

She was a beautiful child.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

I can't cope with how sick and disgusting some, parents can be. Just imagine the humiliation of being called Steven, but having such sicko parents who spell it with a 'PH'.

[@pennyc11]

You don't read the Bible? Stephen King. It is the Greek spelling of the word.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@pennyc11 I know Penny, I'm just being sarcastic (trying to be funny 😄). I had a Greek girlfriend and her parents insisted on calling me Stephanos to help me feel more Greek, as I'd always go on about how much I love their culture and give them every excuse to entertain and educate me with their nostalgia for the homeland. It was all win/win and I don't really mind when someone spells my name with a ph.

[@pennyc11]

@@skepticusmaximus184 Oh, okay. If you spell it with v ven should be understood. My son named Stephen I always use fen sound. My Italian friend convinced me to spell it that way. My son has just accepted some will call him steven. But I won't. 😜

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@pennyc11 I don't know how 'fen' is better than 'ven', if thats supposed to be verging towards a more fonetic name, but if the spelling is Stephen, then surly the proper pronunciation aught to be 'Step - hen'. A 'P' and a 'H', doesn't make an 'F' sound any more than it makes a 'V' sound. Note: I realise I speled fonetic with an 'F', as if there's only ONE word that aught to be spelled fonetically, it's the word 'fonetic'. Cheers! 🍺😁👍

[@pennyc11]

@@skepticusmaximus184 Phone, pronounced fon. Phonics, pronounced fonics. It all depends on your vocabulary. Phantom, physical, philosophy, New Test written originally in Greek, Phillip, Phillipines, Philadelphia it goes on and on. The real issue is how do you get the "e" sound? st"e" fen? If you ignore the second e to make the hard sound the second vowel would be silent. Like in phone. It isn't pho ne.

[@patsygibson1557]

I cant believe how rose west could go on to have a relationship with myra hindley and the she was allowed to changed her name I think she married again how would want to im not sure why

[@pennyc11]

There are more then a few things wrong with England. Age of consent. Social Services, allowing convicted criminals change their name. We have Megan's List.

[@GradKat]

@@pennyc11 yeah, and there’s about a million things wrong with the US! Don’t try to pretend your laws / justice system are perfect, because they’re not.

[@savantianprince]

@@pennyc11 thank God we live in the US

[@softlystolen1208]

Myra was just sick as Rose

[@evil_musclemuscled3814]

Them commercials are a drag

[@trinade3732]

This woman kept saying that she wanted to find out why rose was the way she was but she didn't investigate her childhood. how she was in school, with you other kids, with her siblings. She talked a little bit about how roses dad was but never even mentioned the fact something was wrong with Mommie Dearest as well. Because while she was pregnant with roses she received electric shock treatments which very well could explain why rose was slow. She didn't mention that her mother molested her as well. I'm sure she was jealous of Rose because she had Daddy's affection so maybe she beat the crap out of her as well. so what was wrong with she just went quickly from being molested by her dad to sixteen-year-old desiring elderly men. she had to watch her siblings get beaten. And then she says she's a mother and she just can't wrap her head around how Rose treated her kids. Of course she can't, she didn't live the life rose had. Listening to her cold stoic voice and her attitude I doubt that she has any empathy for anyone.

[@splinterbyrd]

As I recall, she was 16 when Fred West took advantage of her. At least to an extent, she's one of his victims

[@betsyfaircloth334]

the Hell was her problem??

[@lizr990]

but i don’t believe he killed himself because of court he’s the one that told the truth on the body’s and everything i think it was because rose betrayed him she made that she say she did nothing when many witnesses who got rapped by both killed he’s daughter try to ignore i think it hurt him i don’t think it was about going to jail he’s the one who said and took the weight it was because rose betrayed him she is as evil as the barbarie killer who got away with killing her sister or her lawyer told her she need not to associate with him the lawyer is in much denial even one or two of her daughters said she was evil

[@user-mz7go7ru7k]

She was made that way ,through abuse

[@pennyc11]

What were the sons saying about this house of horror? We know how the girls were treated but how about the boys?

[@PH-vv1ky]

They were also abused. They have spoken out about it in past interviews.

[@pennyc11]

@@PH-vv1ky I've heard a little about it but not very much. My brother was so traumatized he said he was just so afraid of being abused as I was. Some he couldn't imagine. I was so terrified of everyone who was an adult. I really felt if I told about the abuse, they would confront my abusers, who of course would deny everything and force me back into their home to pay the consequences for talking. It was terrifying, knowing an adult was waiting for the opportunity to totally assault you every night when you are eleven and twelve years old. As well as hearing your mother yell at you that you deserved it. The level of betrayal is fierce. It was my older of the two brothers who used drugs to destroy his mind. Another casualty of our mother's evil intentions. All of this so she could have her nice home. Nice life. How she was able to twist seeing her children tortured and abused equated to a nice life? Well, I lived it . I escaped it at a young enough age for my father's family to help repair the damage they caused me. Sadly, they were too ignorant, even stubborn, to help my brother get the help he needed to learn how to cope with the nightmares that come from years of abuse. Sadly, I didn't know the answers either in how to help him. I thought giving him a safe place to live was enough but it wasn't. I only hope someone who knows their sibling is suffering mental anguish can steer them towards Behavioral Therapy. What happened to me is painful. He carried so much pain and guilt that I couldn't remove with just words of forgiveness. He loved his mother so much. Her betraying that love by condoning our abuse. Trying so hard to convince us how bad we were but we weren't. Messed with our minds so badly. What our mother did to my brother? Unforgivable.

[@softlystolen1208]

Stephen has talked about his experience

[@splinterbyrd]

I still think there's alot of sexism here. Women are not supposed to be rapists and sexual perverts, and at least Fred did the gentlemanly thing and topped himself. When the trial was happening we were talking about it at college. Interestingly, all the girls in the group said they did indeed think it was worse because she's a woman.

[@renachiiuwu6463]

It was worst because it was a woman doing it to a woman. It wouldn’t hold the same effect if rose did it to a man.

[@watsonspuzzle]

I don't think it's worse but it is more shocking because it's rare.

[@celticmist14]

We tend of think of women as mother' and homemakers- caring and nurturing DO WE REALLY???

[@odettewiddicombe4583]

She is rotting in jail two day she is still of her head even now

[@celticmist14]

Could Martina Cole stop emphasising on the mother aspect and just emphasise on simple human decency

[@lizzyangussmith9831]

2 evil monsters myra and rose

[@sjb408]

That's why my baby was called rose Doherty I kept running to the shire horses to get home too Paddy Doherty Gloucester famous one

[@janemacintyre9801]

Who'd want to be Mrs Fred West FFS?

[@mv0921_]

1995 hm

[@jillgallop]

folie a deux

[@cherihayward350]

Why does no one mention barry west, who took his own life because of his childhood truma

[@sjb408]

James rush PROBABLY did kick the ball at you Diane you have munchkinsons and Karen Brady

[@dollluv]

Psychopathy.

[@barrymontgomery408]

What Fred and rosemary West did to there victims was horrible. They are disgusting human beings. In my opinion rose West should stay in prison forever.

[@sjb408]

It wasn't Darren Anthony Brady you were LIYING Karen Brady covering for you and Michael fisher while Jimmy saville was after Simon Darren and me

[@sjb408]

Awful to say but why couldn't Pablo of chopped Fred west's hand off or rose west

[@sjb408]

I HAD TO BE VERY CAREFUL AROUND TALITHA IT TOOK LONG TIME WE WERE FINALLY BOUNDING MAKING MINCE PIES WITH HARVEY THE GIRLS COME HOME I GET PREGNANT AFTER A VICIOUS ATTACK STRANGE HOW THE TWO DADS WERE SET UP TOO

[@melly9037]

That writer sounds like levi bellfield X girlfriend..

[@sjb408]

Diane must of been there victim too Harold Parker was innocent too I kept mentioning bananas too DIANE

[@wintergirl8]

What??

[@lisagraham4451]

Just sick .babies arnt born evil .

[@sjb408]

Evil Jimmy saville

[@michellespeight5972]

Hopefully no crying neice in this episode thing SHE is the victim 🥱

[@sjb408]

TURNS OUT ANDREW JOHNSTONS NAN HAD DEFINITELY MEET JAN MATTHEWS BOTH NURSES SHE LIVED ON THE ISLE OF WIGHT SIMON BRADY WAS AIRLIFTED IN AN EMERGENCY REMEMBER GWENDYLN YOU MUST OF BEEN TRYING TO GET ME TO FIND MY MEMORY SEVERE TORTURE MEMORY LOSS

[@lisacheney4763]

It's in their DNA

[@sweettina2]

No it isn't!

[@claire-christmas-august73]

i have no words.! 🥺🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯 🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯🥺 ✌🏻🇦🇺🌏🤘🏻

[@tonyarceneaux286]

Rose West ⬅️ is not 🚭 a good 👍 BEST.

[@AmberLizzieBow444]

grammar 😎