The Ideas of Socrates

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In this lecture we examine the ideas of Socrates. We look at his exhortation to 'care for your soul', his conviction that knowledge of virtue is necessary to become virtuous, his belief that all evil acts are committed out of ignorance and hence involuntarily, and finally his presumption that committing an injustice is far worse than suffering an injustice.
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[@Andrea-br4gv]

Why did Plato distanced himself from Socrates ?

[@rankemperor]

@@Andrea-br4gv The written word.

[@khushalff4637]

Q

[@josejacob7857]

"By all means marry: if you get a good wife, you’ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher" - great philosopher socrates

[@ThetennisDr]

Lots of philosophers today

[@SB-fo7em]

jose jacob lmao

[@dougoverhoff7568]

Xanthippe, his wife's name, is still a term used to describe a shrew.

[@ameliafrancks2198]

Why yhe fuck wojld i wanna b a philospher stone

[@migueladrianvalevelazquez8703]

Did he really say that

[@Vot63]

When something is stolen from you your property is depleted. When you steal from another your virtue is depleted.

[@TaunellE]

@The Allchive lmao.. True. Go Hungry, Starve.. Virtue pllth No. Maddness.

[@Felix-bb2rx]

"Agree with me, I'm right!!!" - The MacSo

[@histguy101]

@The MacSo Self-Righteousness is _not_ a virtue.

[@georgemissailidis3160]

@The Allchive Tautologies are objectively true.

[@georgemissailidis3160]

@The MacSo Moral values aren't totally subjective. What makes a moral value moral is if it brings forth and restores the fairest happiness for everyone involved. E.g. laws and social customs are different everywhere in the world, but the assertions like "treat others with respect" and "have courage and self-pride" is still there (sometimes those statements are abused due to evil contexts surrounding them, like treating an evil authority with respect or having too much self-pride and arrogance) but those are still values common to all laws. Because they are moral - they are fair, and ideally, in a world where people respect and maintain the integrity of justice, those values would bring happiness. Take a look at Aristotle's 12 golden virtues - are those virtues entirely subjective or not? Take a look at formal logic - why is it objective? It would be morally and logically invalid to dismiss you now because you could be black - is that statement subjective or objective?

[@manufacturedreality8706]

"Many people never consciously contemplate the question of how one ought to live, instead the course of their lives is largely determined by the cultural values and norms, which they unquestionable adhere to." Yes, sadly.

[@iridescentisaac3698]

Look into Antonio Gramsci and his idea of Cultural Hegemony.

[@Innavata90]

Wow, most people never question how they ought to live. Great lecture.

[@Ramidemi710]

i do it way to much and thus don't get anywhere.

[@nicholascosta7786]

Not fun for a 15 year old who hates highschool to ask

[@yunglady1312]

ironic how you have a nietzsche pfp and agree with socrates lol

[@danielgriff2659]

really? most Christians do.. kinda central to the religion..

[@emperornero1932]

My favorite quote of his "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

[@sleepclub1999]

‘’The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.’’ ~Socrates

[@geneva4034]

My favorite

[@jamestown8398]

Socrates was a man ahead of his times.

[@duskyracer8800]

not much as changed. I saw a quote from a Greek man talking just as a modern day elderly man would of the youth and how things were different when he was youthful. It was eerily similar.

[@AscensionOfAuriel]

True story.

[@gclbroadview1503]

Men who ascend to his level of thinking are above time

[@jessewhitacre2426]

Tupac Shakur no one is innocent in the Bronze age

[@johna8541]

Seraphim truths aren't subject to one group or time so he may very well have come up with these ideas on his own ...how do you know that the "Egyptians" didn't get it from some other group?

[@waghlerism]

"I cannot teach someone anything, I can only make them think", Socrates once said.

[@lightartorias552]

Thank you for all of your videos. There are a few that I listened to daily for a few months. The teachings you shine light have been life changing and have helped me move in a brighter direction in my life. Thank you for taking the time to make this content and the years of material you have completed here.

[@charleslynching]

" the unexamined life is not worth living " Gore Vidal use to say the untelevised life is not worth living

[@AmericanTestConstitution]

That's awesome and hilarious

[@gsykes]

Assuming that the understandings of Socrates presented in this video are correct, I would say this is one of the best educational videos I have seen on KZbin. It is perfectly sequenced. Well done.

[@regularsherlock6237]

Socrates: wisest man that ever lived, didn't claim any divine intervention, discouraged any form of wrong-doing and was never content with what society considered important.

[@FueledByFleece]

Regular Sherlock He was however told he was wisest by the Oracle of Delphi and henceforth divine intervention by Apollo.

[@hornypervert3781]

Regular Sherlock some evil acts are commited for the greater good.

[@hornypervert3781]

Regular Sherlock palpatine was wiser

[@hjfdjful]

Regular Sherlock claiming divine intervention doesn’t make someone’s argument less valid. You will only find out (or not) when you die, if god is real and has sent a select few with wisdom from God to be passed down to humans. The universe is connected and things seem very in almost a divine synchronization. No matter what we think with our brains, no human could fully understand or begin to grasp god. So the concept of God is very logical, because God would be beyond our comprehension. Don’t be so quick to assume, everything isn’t just as it seems.

[@mackdmara]

Which is greater, Extolling virtue or being virtuous?

[@jasonkanokaroke]

Humans are self aware that "time heals all wounds". meaning that when we commit evil (or wrong doing), that our minds will recover and we will still have a change at happiness. I get am getting the impression that philosophers like Socrates and others during their time, were affluent enough to have the luxury to choose virtue as a path to happiness. I believe that people who are living in sub economic conditions will commit evil so they can have food in their stomach and not starve. In closing, the flaw in virtue=happiness is that many people have to put survival over happiness.

[@1987-8]

You miss the point, if one commits a sin, he corrupts his own soul so the false happiness gained from the evil is pointless. A starving person stealing to survive is not an evil act, so his soul cannot be corrupted, as he never gained any false happiness from the act of stealing, it was to survive. the feeling of stealing to gain false happiness and the feeling to steal in order to feed yourselve is completely different and cannot be part of obtaining virtue. hope you get my point

[@matthewmea3566]

I believe Socrates once said, "People only do wrong when they know it would outweigh the benefits of doing right."

[@hitheshyogi3630]

Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are great philosophers of the world.People could not forget them..'Universal Arrow',Kerala,India.

[@Aurora_Tom_Renton]

plato was his student

[@joecurran2811]

Plato was appalling but became the most influential sadly.

[@CornerTalker]

I believe that some people understand clearly the nature of evil and embrace it.

[@Miguel-ng5wm]

I believe that today's society's psyche is much different from the psyche of the old world. I think is the complexity of society and the new strange and bizarre behaviors we are developing. And I think this is what leads people to commit evil acts knowingly.

[@xytoplazm]

Martin Delira We also live in a globalized world where the ethical systems of various civilizations compete. What is deemed as perfectly good for one, may be abhorrent for another. An example is drawing the Prophet Muhammad as a funny cartoon, which may exemplify free speech for Westerners, and be a deep insult for Middle Easterners.

[@andrewdockrill]

Evil is a point of view

[@austins.219]

only in the mind is evil a viewpoint or subjective. Within yourself in your conciseness itself we are all aware of the same truth and that truth within the light will set you free.

[@SamStam12]

These people carry and execute the collateral actions of evil. They become addicted to it almost like a drug, losing their soul along the way. The population has a barometer to gauge when they're being oppressed and manipulated. Mass suicide around the world, not seen in recent history only visually exemplifies the evil taking place.

[@shellybalais4185]

"everything we do, we do because we think it will make us happy"

[@sionmarak1916]

And thus there is no good or bad but what we think is good or bad.

[@quinnadam3024]

@@sionmarak1916 So if I steal all of Sion Marak's money because I think it will make me happy then it is good

[@sionmarak1916]

@@quinnadam3024 for you if you think it is good but not for me

[@quinnadam3024]

@@sionmarak1916 No. If it's wrong to do it to one person it's wrong to do it to anyone.

[@lowercasehorse2363]

Not everything but a lot of things, yeah

[@kennethmitchell9159]

I just went through a Philosophy class a few weeks ago talking about this same concept, it was a 4 hour class, but this has been a great refresher, great video In regards to Virtue, I think he got it right... still a hard pill to swallow that acts of evil are accidental, don’t know if I believe that, but it falls in nicely for society to give benefit of the doubt for the sake of peace and future, and the prospect of redemption, which in my mind has always been better than the prospect of civil war

[@QDRox]

Thanks for this great work. I've literally learned so much by watching this. im always in a constant search for truth so much so its became an obsession.

[@Paul07791]

It seems Socrates "So-Crates" really did want us to be excellent to each other.

[@Tom.Livanos]

First, and most important point: yes, he did. I could not agree more. For whatever it may be worth, I do not know whether you intended it but I am aware of the quote from the movie 'Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure' (1989). Secondly, a question: when you hyphenate "So-Crates", why are you doing so? Note: even though I have spent little of my life in Greece, I do understand Greek.

[@yahya2925]

Most excellent!🎸

[@taylord6064]

"To put it bluntly most people are ignorant" 😂 I love all your videos and wisdom. If only I was taught this in school. I had a similar question like why are many people ignorant? We do we do actually as we are told? Why aren't their more people who stand up and be great? but then I realize it's because "they" secretly are instilling us with fear, not love nor energy to empower us. Which leads to control over the masses to be ignorant

[@robbiebowers9475]

@Taylor D true education has failed us if we were all taught for example history properly and true fully not just the view point of your place of eduction we more than likely realise we a have at in common and we wouldn’t have s many wars by now. We have mostly al bee indoctrinated in one way or other..

[@marisaelenenadiejamusiccom3974]

I used to pray to Socrates when I was seven years old. He was my mascot and I had an obsession with him. My father had books on philosophy in his library...For some reason Socrates was someone that I loved to speak to, even though he is not alive.

[@oriraykai3610]

Thank you. I liked being your mascot and hope to get promoted to pet cat someday. 😃

[@Arhatgoel1]

Thank you so much for this sharp video. Great work.

[@sudarshanbadoni6643]

SOCRATES shaped my life that's all me can say and am contended and satisfied till now and ever under all circumstances. Thanks.

[@letitbe3319]

I think it's wisdom that leads to virtue, instead of knowledge. I think knowledge can greatly enhance virtue, but it won't necessarily lead to it. I'm sure many of us know of people who have extensive knowledge in a particular field, but still live in a manner that brings about the destruction of what is good and virtuous within themselves. Also, many individuals who are guilty of intellectual pride are obsessed with amassing knowledge, but they have no true virtue. This is why I think that it is wisdom that leads to virtue, not knowledge.

[@AleadaA]

Virtue is gained by those who seek it and desire it, let those with ears hear and those with eyes see!

[@ottomanpapyrus9365]

and that Wisdom will be attained through Religion!

[@AudenGoldie]

One of the best lecture I have ever heard. Thanks.

[@bessybessy8053]

As a Greek love him and all of them, read him and its like listening to jesus but very hard to live on there words, people change everything on how it suits them

[@mariavicencio2811]

Virtues are our armor for our souls. It is like a compass to navigate our lives. Practicing true virtues gives peace to the mind and soul. Beware: Some would even state vice as a virtue.

[@yracat1186]

I freaking love you Socrates!

[@45BigRich]

I'm so fucking baked right now

[@Ramidemi710]

good.

[@Ramidemi710]

are you still?

[@Ramidemi710]

if yes, the very good.

[@AkshayPatil-qf5eh]

haha, me too. i like reading when i am high.

[@floga10]

LOL

[@mementocatharsis9372]

"Love that which is most alive" - Socrates (or maybe not).

[@In2MeUcU]

The Deliverance by Anthony De Mello - Wellspring 1986 To see life as it truly is, nothing helps so much as the reality of death. I imagine I am present at my funeral. I see my body in the coffin, I smell the flowers and incense, I witness every detail of the funeral rites. My eyes rest briefly on each person present at the funeral. Now I understand how short a time they have to live themselves, only they are not aware of it. Right now their mind is focused, not on their own death or the shortness of their life, but on me. This is my show today - my last great show on earth, the last time I shall be the center of attention. I listen to what the priest is saying about me in his homily. And as I scan the faces of the congregation It gives me pleasure to observe that I am missed. I leave a vacuum in the hearts and lives of friends. It is also sobering to think that there may be people in that crowd who are pleased that I am gone. I walk in the procession to the graveyard. I see the group and stand silent at the grave while the final prayers are said. I see the coffin sink into the grave - the final chapter of my life. I think what a good life it was, with all its ups and downs, its periods of excitement and monotony, it's achievements and frustrations. I stay on beside the grave recalling chapters of my life as the people in the crowd go back to their homes, their daily chores, their dreams and worries. A year goes by and I return to earth. The painful vacuums I left behind are steadily being filled: the memory of me survives in the hearts of friends, but they think about me less. They now look forward to other people's letters, they relax in other people's company; other people have become important in their lives. And so it must be: life must go on. I visit the scene of my work. If it still continues, someone else is doing it, someone else is making the decisions. The places I used to frequent only a year ago: the shops, the streets, the restaurants... they are all there. And it doesn't seem to matter that I walked those streets and visited those shops and road those buses. I am not missed. Not there! I search for personal effects like my watch, my pen, and those possessions that had sentimental value for me: souvenirs, letters, photographs. And the furniture I used, my clothes, my books. I return on the fifthieth anniversary of my death and look around to see if someone still remembers me or speaks of me. A hundred years go by and I come back again. Except for a faded photograph or two in an album or on a wall and the inscription on my grave, little is left of me. Not even the memory of friends, because none of them exists. Still, I search for any traces that are possibly left on earth of my existence. I look into my grave to find a handful of dust and crumbling bones in my coffin. I rest my eyes on that dust and think back on my life - the triumphs, the tragedies, the anxieties and the joys, the strivings, the conflicts, the ambitions, the dreams, the loves and the repugnances that constituted my existence -all of its scattered to the winds, absorbed into the universe. Only a little dust remains to indicate that it ever was, that life of mine! As I contemplate that dust it is as if a mighty weight is lifted from my shoulders -the weight that comes from thinking I matter. Then I look up and contemplate the world around me -the trees, the birds, the earth, the stars, the sunshine, a baby's cry, a rushing train, the hurrying crowds, the dance of life and of the universe- and I know that somewhere in all of these are the remains of that person I called me and that life that I called mine.

[@PesMe]

good video

[@mt2oo8]

Most people never question how they ought to live really got me thinking

[@Silkroads733]

It’s strange how even in the early centuries, it seems like only 0.000.1 of the population had the right frame of mind to follow the path of so-called righteousness and be in touch with a virtuous mindset ? It’s almost as though humans are meant to be evil and ignorant mostly, in my opinion if there’s is a god of love he’s made a big mistake bringing us here to earth.

[@watchesvideosonline]

Your comment has piqued my interest. It reminds me of a Jean-Paul Sartre quote I used to have on a shirt of mine where Sartre was like, so if we were 100% sure that God existed, would that change anything?

[@Silkroads733]

@@watchesvideosonline yes I’m sure that has comment has, by the way check out Matt Dillahunty on the atheist experience on Sundays if you don’t already ...

[@watchesvideosonline]

@@Silkroads733 I'm a pantheist in the loosest, most liberal or generous interpretation of the term. Ultimately, I think people believe in whatever comforts them and do what is convenient for them. When people ask me if I'm religious and try to preach to me I tell them I am very religious and that I, of course, follow the religion that I've made up. All religions are made up so I don't see why mine is to be considered better or worse than any other. I've never preached to hurt others in my religion or to spread my so called religion. If I had to sum up my religion in one command, it is "act responsibly". I don't bother to expand on what to believe since thoughts, as far as I am concerned, don't do much harm to other entities.

[@watchesvideosonline]

@@Silkroads733 Atheist Exp. is pretty damn funny. Great recommendation.

[@Silkroads733]

@@watchesvideosonline no thanks for your feedback you sound pretty sound to me with your own religion...

[@revolutionforjapan]

This was really helpful for me to get his idea.

[@Laras94]

When i commit an injustice, according to my perspective of virtues, it becames a mirror and reflects its negativity into myself. I am an empath and i am always being conscious of my actions and their products to others. Also some times u happen to learn from your mistakes(evil) in life. My point is that the way of thought of one self is to find virtues that are necessary of who you want to became. Then you should constantly structure yourself based on your virtues You need to reconcile your virtues with the ability to be formless and shapeless, like water in order to find peace for your soul to be at rest. Any thoughts would be welcomed !

[@thealterist9762]

Here's a thought..change that creepy thumbnail of yours so you're credibility would rise a bit higher.

[@mementocatharsis9372]

Please don't use the "word" empath. It's really bad for credibility.

[@innosanto]

This is one of most radical Ideas, the getting vs commiting evil act.

[@garbanzosteve6012]

That last argument blew my mind

[@noeliabarbero7526]

great video, thank you!

[@peternjenga4683]

Wow my ignorance has blinded me for many years but it's never too late to change...

[@duhduh7236]

from what i think, virtue is the principle you grew up with which is the soul in us, embedded in us when we are young and evil is the hunger and greed that goes against your principles which can be easily accomplished

[@pottingsoil]

Your channel is great! It's like The School of Life, but you're not trying to shove communism down our throats.

[@academyofideas]

+Zack Kammler Thanks! And yes no communism-shoving is going on here.

[@slycoffy]

Potting Soil

[@pottingsoil]

:-)

[@jackwheeler27]

The school of life seems pretty cozy with capitalism to me!

[@joepeeler34]

We haven't been watching the same channel, if that is your interpretation of what School of Life is serving up. Don't get me wrong, it has value, but it's a little on the commie side.

[@KeithMakank3]

Modern retort here is in the form of opposing the "inner" of the reflection needed to know the "self". Its a fundamentalism (over dedication to the fundamental nature of one aspect over the other) in an object orientated sense that the more "inner" the self you discover the better a discovery of the "self" it exposes - the self is also knowable outwardly or sidewaysly etc etc. For instance it doesn't necessarily only drive its definition on your reactions to only "inner" forces within yourself, you could learn of "inner" forces by lets say poking yourself from the outside too.

[@gawaineross4656]

Despite my great respect for Socrates, I think it's a little simplistic to say that evil stems from ignorance. If it is immoral for me to use a sword to slice off a person's arm, what if I am dying of thirst and he is preventing me from getting to a well? Human rights are in conflict, a sad comment about human nature, but a true one, I think.

[@oriraykai3610]

The point is: your soul is more important than your body. We are here to improve our souls and these bodies are just the temptations to care more about something else. Life is a TEST of your will power with the physical bodies meant to distract you from that goal.

[@matthewmea3566]

It's not as immoral to hurt someone if you really have to. I do agree with some part of what you said because some people do evil because they think it will benefit them and sometimes it really does. Others might do evil for plain fun and get Socrates' "false happiness". I think the idea is that truth and knowledge is the best good and ignorance is the opposite of truth and knowledge. So heading towards the opposite "only good" means you are heading TO the "only evil" which is ignorance. The thing is that there are different ways that ignorance being evil has been phrased so in some respects it can be true and in some it can be a bit iffy.

[@Rkbleezy]

A thought on the last part. He says that the attacker hurts his soul but the recipient doesn’t. I would say that the recipient is hurt more. They lose something of theirs whatever it may be, and on top of that receive emotional trauma which can eat away at your soul over time. So i would argue the opposite. The recipient gets double what is given

[@kenanalcantara7397]

4:44 this is only good and evil on a master morality sense.

[@marcowagner94]

To understand how Socrateses claim can be true with regard to the scenario provided at the end of the video, one needs to understand that the soul transcends the persona one inhabits in a current life. Evil WILL often pay in the short time. But not on the long run.

[@mgggggggggggggggg]

thnx excellent work

[@jrabelo_]

Certainly the best video about Socrates ideas I've seen, thanks!!!! 👍

[@mashable8759]

“One who knows himself, knows his Lord”. - Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

[@1987-8]

Exactly, Socrates definitely believed in One God, he died a monotheist.

[@Joespore]

Muhammad????

[@A_Box_of_Rocks99]

If Muhammad was so great, why is it nessacery to wish peace upon him? It is no different than saying "rest in peace" when a common man dies. “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace” Isaiah 9:6 It would be wiser instead to seek peace itself who is no common man and gives rest.

[@tylerchristensen1484]

Solzhenitzen in The Gulag Archipelago wrote about how the line dividing good from evil cuts through the heart of every human being. This is one way to interpret Socrates' "Know thyself" mantra, as Solzhenitzen also quoted.

[@alexjasso3203]

But Socrates philosophies and hypothesis can't define how INSPECTAH DECK be dropping these mockeries.

[@perrynunes8732]

"lyrically perform armed robbery. Flee with the lottery. Battle scars from shoguns, explosion when my hits, tremendous..."

[@AllBoss9]

+Joel Holmqvist ultraviolet shine blind forensic.

[@marcdellorusso180]

+alex lasso That's because he bombs atomically.

[@stephenhope4744]

+alex jasso hes ideas were quackers for the time

[@hecticon31]

Wu-Tang Forever

[@creativebeing1]

I don't agree with certain statements like people don't ponder how to live. I think almost all of us have pondered these questions, what the statement is really saying is I will tell you how you should live.

[@richardvaka8430]

Socrates meets Jesus... great way to learn the Socratic method

[@texcellency]

Well said!

[@innosanto]

It would be great if they teach this at school like every year.

[@innosanto]

@Reddit På Svenska Yean and not only political philosophy but moral philosophy. The western world is weakening in its thinking, thought patterns, ideas, what it considers values, virtues, ideals, and this is very important, because it is basically built on those things. This is what it is built on. If I remember corrreclty somewhere in plato's republic there is analysis about democracy and democracy requires the democratic man , oligarchy which can be applied by the oligarchic man, etc. Thus democracy requires democratic men, and the western world "western world men". No matter the money, technology, buildings, and brand names of the institutions there is no western world without men that embody the ideas. All men.

[@kaloqnevgeniev6587]

God is not an object , yet every object appear in god's infinite mind , your true nature is that mind , not the body , not your thoughts not your feeling , not your limited mind.

[@RoseMarie-di7pl]

When he made the comment “our true self is our soul” he was referring to us as being god. We are all created by god, we are a piece of god. If you love god you should love yourself because he is in you

[@tiffanyhanson6405]

This guy sounds exactly like "Blue" the parrot from Rio... Lolz

[@asmaamel5566]

such an amazing page that helped me in my studies😊😊

[@iemon7722]

Soul does not imply, 'the thinking and willing subject' but rather the source of thinking and willing itself. The soul is free of concepts, hence anything added to it is an aberration and is a product of ego. The awareness alone is real and it speaks to us in absolute surrender and silence.

[@jacealr1139]

Thank you for all the work you have put into this video. For just the first two minutes of the video, I have many concerns with what Socrates said and the information presented by this video. This my immediate response to what you said in this video without much careful thought into the writing. You first said, " Instead the course of their lives is largely determined by the cultural values and norms which they unquestionably adhere to.” Now here, when I read this, I translate it into the idea that you are implicitly suggesting that one should ignore the cultural values and norms. But these norms and values serve important purposes. Like fitting in the groups and be loved and accepted in the groups and thrive in the social context. So, you need to behave to some degree according to the cultural values and norms. But that is not to say that you have to give up your own views and way of life and your values for the society. You need to consider both. Second you said, “ because it requires that one attain self-knowledge, or in other words, turn their gaze inward and analyze both their true nature and the values which guide their life. And such knowledge is perhaps the most difficult knowledge to obtain.” I don't believe that it is hard to know about one's self. The very vague part here is "True nature" This is incredibly vague. What is the true nature? How can you be sure this the true nature? I have done sessions of self-examinations dozens of times where I just think inwardly and try to analyze my feelings and judgments. But I never came close to what is my true nature. Many times I come out of these sessions thinking that, for example, A &B& C are the values that make my true nature. And then when I go out and I witness something or hear/read about something, it makes me wonder if A &B&C are really my values. And so every time this happens, I say “Oh, this is maybe my true nature” That’s incredibly flawed. I really get frustrated and irritated with the extreme vagueness of the language and that you are left with no clear illustrations or examples to interpret this and try to apply it to your life. When I read about these philosophers and their ideas, I always find my myself asking "How do these great ideas from these great philosophers translate into practical terms?" "What examples can these ideas be applied to?" I don’t really know how to take what they say and apply it practically. They just use abstract words and extremely vague and ambiguous statements and it is just subliminal and rhetoric. They don’t provide examples and illustrations, which are the most important thing. And I underscore this greatly.

[@academyofideas]

Master mind You wrote: "When I read about these philosophers and their ideas, I always find my myself asking "How do these great ideas from these great philosophers translate into practical terms?" "What examples can these ideas be applied to?" I don’t really know how to take what they say and apply it practically. They just use abstract words and extremely vague and ambiguous statements and it is just subliminal and rhetoric." If you're asking those questions in my opinion you have not learned how to appreciate philosophy, or you are reading the wrong philosophers (or not reading them at all). Figure out what their ideas mean to you as an individual, and how you can apply them to your specific life. You asked, "what is the true nature", "how can you be sure this is the true nature". What do you think it is? And if you say you don't know and you can never be sure what it is, you're still taking a philosophical stance on the issue (look into skepticism/epistemological nihilism). You can't avoid these philosophical questions in life. Either, through the help of great philosophers, you think them through consciously for yourself, or you live your life like most do - taking what is commonly accepted as true, and leaving it at that. You also wrote: "I really get frustrated and irritated with the extreme vagueness of the language and that you are left with no clear illustrations or examples to interpret this and try to apply it to your life." When you really appreciate and understand a philosopher's ideas it will change your actions and your way of life. A KZbin video will not give you this appreciation. Reading is necessary.

[@jacealr1139]

academyofideas Thank you very much for the response and the clarification in it. First, I love philosophy and everything about it. I think that the root of all our problems is not being able to answer the big questions conclusively. You said " I haven't learned how to appreciate philosophy" How does appreciating philosophy allow oneself to apply philosopher's ideas to their lives? "Figure out what their ideas mean to you as an individual, and how you can apply them to your specific life. " Can you please give me a specific example where you were influenced by their ideas and applied them to your life? "What do you think it is? And if you say you don't know and you can never be sure what it is, you're still taking a philosophical stance on the issue (look into skepticism/epistemological nihilism)." I have read these issues, but the thing is I don't see myself taking a stance here. Because if someone is claiming that there is something called "true nature/self" then any logical and practical person who hears him will say "so what is the definition of it?" Tell me how is it different from the "false nature" so to speak. "Either, through the help of great philosophers, you think them through consciously for yourself, or you live your life like most do - taking what is commonly accepted as true, and leaving it at that." That's the problem. These philosophers presented us with great ideas and a lot of wisdom. But when you want to apply it to your life and specific situations, I feel that you will find that there are many ways to interpret their big ideas to your situation and it is very easy to misuse them or to misapply them. "When you really appreciate and understand philosopher's ideas it will change your actions and your way of life. A KZbin video will not give you this appreciation. Reading is necessary." I read a lot, but again, I always find myself asking questions like " do they mean this or this?" If you know of any books or articles that could help me with that, I would appreciate it.

[@flowmetis1814]

Socrates died voluntarily drinking the hemlock poison. goes to show how extreme he was with his philosophical ideas.

[@concernedcitizen780]

+Flow Metis It was not truly voluntary. If he did not drink the hemlock they were going to kill him some other way. He had a choice of how he was going to die.. but he was going to die. And his crime? Making or forcing people to think or question their lives. For that crime he was given death.

[@flowmetis1814]

it was voluntary. and he had a chance to escape his fate. crito gave him 3 arguments to escape to another city but his arguments were stronger considering his soul.

[@yamchathewolf7714]

What a goldmine this channel.

[@kavindichethana8594]

In athens he was a great philosopher ❤

[@hairglowingkyle4572]

Everyone in Athens disliked him lol

[@nicostheocharous1990]

@@hairglowingkyle4572 Democracy killed Socrates

[@kalks4334]

@@nicostheocharous1990 You mix up causation and correlation

[@nicostheocharous1990]

@@kalks4334 Dude, i' m from Athens.

[@innosanto]

@@nicostheocharous1990 i wouldnt say democracy. It is taken out of context. More the suspicion that democracy would be anolished again for dictatorship.

[@divineenlightenment221]

Gratitude toSOCRATES n the narrator too

[@mattengstrom7870]

I'm a student of philosophy taking a refresher course on the history of western philosophy and Ive been foloowing your videos and I find it notable that up until now the forms of the production for your videos have seemed to follow a predictable and "usual" format. This is to be expected due to the lack of depth in presocratic philosophy. And now for the 1st time in this video it seems you are forced to give an expounded analysis. This is the birth of critical philosophy and will become more so!

[@thomasputhup7557]

When we suffer an injustice our true self is not harmed When we commit an injustice we are harming our soul (our true self)

[@-AkhilTej-]

📑💎🏆 Great insightful & fruitful video 🏆💎📑

[@davidrosner6267]

I heard that according to Socrates the soul is a beings "principle of existence" rather than the "astral body" imagined in Christianity. The human soul involves rational analysis of their surroundings. Since humans are rational thinking beings capable of analyzing the way they perceive their surrounding, "virtue" for humans involves refining these thinking and analyzing capabilities and using them to improve their behavior.

[@ingenuity1394]

10:55 the answer to this is , the happines of soul is just a byproduct instead the real reward is eternal , and every idea of socrates leading to something eternal cause insipe of soul what else can be the motive to remain so disciplined to let our body reputation and wealth suffer , like for what? So if a false person die he gna get his reward eternally and protected his soul. Hence socrates argument still persists.

[@dafuqmr13]

The first Jesus ever

[@The.Zen.Cyn1c]

That was my first thought. Jesus probably read about Socrates just like he did about Buddha and other mystics.

[@rickyg8462]

Robert The Fool thanks to our friend, Alexander...Jesus cud have heard of Socrates and Buddha

[@robinjohnson6386]

Yes.... Socrates was hated because he knew there is only ONE God.

[@lyradnikral2081]

Funny, that's what I say

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

This video leaves out vital information, which would only take a few seconds to add in, that could change the way someone understands the statements in this video correctly.

[@Greg87145]

10:10 …. The scholar's name in Gregory Vlastos, not George. Very nice video on the ideas of Socrates.

[@ruperterskin2117]

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

[@randalllin1414]

Has socrates ever stopped to wonder how you can know that you know nothing, while knowing nothing at the same time? XD sorry bad joke

[@MrGunningpeter]

Randall Lin I think one can know that one thinks one knows nothing.

[@concernedcitizen780]

+Nilton Fernandes The wise man says he knows nothing. The fool says he knows more than that. Socrates probably had a chuckle when he heard he was the wisest of men. He knew he had no special knowledge or wisdom. Thus all men must be fools.... or unwilling to seek the truth or knowledge.

[@simonk4891ing]

I think Socrates was talking about expert knowledge of moral virtue, not all knowledge in general. Essentially he was saying he did not possess expert knowledge of moral virtue; other people, however, did claim to possess it but in reality they didn't. Socrates knew he wasn't an expert in those things and so he was free to examine, learn and improve, while the others were stuck with their self-satisfied opinions, denying themselves the opportunity to improve. Perhaps that's what made Socrates wiser?

[@neeharavi]

Is a great joke

[@francismausley7239]

Socrates was a big thinker and said "I am a citizen, not of Athens or Greece, but of the world." "The advantage of the part in a world society is best served by promoting the advantage of the whole." ~ Baha'i Universal House of Justice

[@humanitysdefenders1363]

Excellent lecture, I am a philosopher and I try to practice Socrates teachings in my life!

[@ryleighlloyd339]

What about sociopaths? Did he take into account people who don't experience guilt?

[@proksenospapias9327]

Given that the term "sociopathy" is actually newer than the light bulb, no I don't think he was aware that people could have a biological condition that prevented them to feel empathy towards others. However, you see that even today, even in the most legally backwards of nations *cough* USA *cough* being diagnosed with a sociopathic disorder counts as an extenuating evidence to a certain degree. So, our society as well, believes that knowledge of good/virtue IS required for moral punishment in the case of an injustice. That's a fairly recent development. 120 years ago they'd just hang you. More importantly though, what the video falsely called "the inner soul" (I'm not bashing the video creator, the rest of it was excellent) was actually the inner Daemon, the self Daemon, as he called it. Not related to any christian or whatever demons ofcourse. A meaning closely related to the Socratic "daemon" has survived even today in many greek phrases. "Her commerce daemon" etc. for example, it means her special ability, the special little voice inside her head that makes her such a great entrepreneur. (just an example). So it's believed that the socratic daemon actually refers to our concience, which is specific to each of us. To end that fucking WALL of a comment, Jim Morrison of the Doors, had his tombstone engraved "ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ" meaning "(live) By your inner daemon". Just a fun trivia. I guess.

[@ryleighlloyd339]

Thank you friend for the thoughts.

[@codyalan9379]

Great video, thank you!!! This really helped me with my Philosophy class :)

[@in2dionysus]

In the end we have a component of cards, a pertinent time to forget, the labyrinth changes its wallpaper and terms are washed - a degradation. Reason is the bodies solution. We verify and use solvent and readiness . . . what is closed, what is opened. we tend to put terms in our own labyrinth the way we want, this is why everything in life is different or vanquished. the opinion is not to be pedestal, it is a way to a means which counts; this is difference which bears too many numbers to count.

[@pedrozaragoza2253]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@wanderingstar9322]

As a youth and young adult I really admired what I understood of Socrates. I haven't really made any effort since then (over 20 years ago) to learn more about him or his philosophies. The idea of his in this video that no person deliberately commits sin or evil acts is naive though in my opinion. I believe that through pornography, some people groom themselves toward greater excess to the point that some commit crimes such as sexual assaults, rape, murder and pedophilia. Along the stages of the increasing excess, they know full well that they are sinning and should not be escalating their desires and yet they willfully continue. Having said that, I think the way people currently slap the term "evil" onto nearly anyone they strongly dislike is ridiculous beyond reason. I also believe that while people are definitely capable of deliberate evil acts, a person being wholly evil is exceedingly rare and possibly even non existent.

[@E.Humperdinck]

Awesome videos man. Great Job.

[@The-Athenian]

The thing is..I'm not sure It's only about ignorance. Some people I think could never learn that virtue brings happiness because they find their "evil" selves virtuous. They're not only ignorant, they're incapable of learning. And therefore can't be made to become good. Narcissists might be the best example.

[@ibperson7765]

He’s clearly talking about something prior to / beyond the “thinking and willing” part of us if he says wealth, status, and even HONOR are not the goal. The thinking and willing part generally wants those very things. Only a very enlightened person would think about and will only virtue instead - ie, only a person who knew themselves to be consciousness / awareness / spirit / oneness would want virtue first and foremost. If he took himself to be the thinking and wanting brain or mind, then no, that wouldn’t follow and wouldn’t be the goal. If I believe I am only a separate thinking self, Id care about MY honor, MY procreation, MY wealth, MY status. Morality is specifically focused on a plane beyond the individual. And it is focused on the whole. Which is all there is (there is only one universe, not a “me” and a “not-me”, which would make two universes), and it is what we are. Bad call by whoever said Socrates meant the “thinking and willing” individual when saying “soul”.

[@johnknope1664]

It was explained to me that soul meant mind.thats where it was believed that our decisions and thinking come from,because at that time they didn't fully understand what the brain does. Logos means thought,reason and, soul (mind). At least that's how I understood what I was told.

[@secularsunshine9036]

*Let the Sunshine In.*

[@Maxamos555]

I know one. Here it is: he’s free from the guilt and has a clean conscious, and merit; but these things will not be acknowledged by the majority, this soul would have to reach an extremely high level of self awareness to out weigh the burden of his suffering. Maybe it’s enlightenment- an existence free from the physical contingency, free from cause and affect and ego identification. Essentially mind over matter, interacting at a higher level, on earth yet not of it

[@AleadaA]

I think to understand Socrates you must put him in context of his environment. The Democracy Socrates experienced was very limited to a few wealthy elites.These elites never considered doing to survive, a lucky group of men to be sure but not really what most of us face in life without an extensive trust fund! Most peasants and the many slaves of Athens were not part of their "Democracy" . I would compare it to the English Landed Aristocracy of old England. These wealthy men both in Greece and Great Britain did not have to worry about making a living and pursuit of knowledge to pass the time and setting policy in the running of the government were their tasks, that is if they chose to do anything at all. Study of nature and philosophy and the arts were some of what they could consider while cultivating this idea of a "soul or virtue" in pursuit of pleasure.

[@diegonayalazo]

Thanks

[@AkshayPatil-qf5eh]

please do eastern philosophy as they can tell what true self(or soul ) is. it is very much concentrated i think.

[@leeann7007]

Borrowed a book years ago from the Library about Socrates and found him fascinating as I love reading about Philosopher's & their thoughts about life. People in history were considered witches and burned just for thinking for themselves. If one doesn't know oneself then how would we ever expect to be happy? Yet some are like zombies following the crowd. lol

[@glennsimonsen8421]

Many people were condemned as witches because the accusers had ulterior motives such as inheriting their property. The same thing goes on today in parts of Africa.

[@adsim100]

Those who live without virtue are the most virtuous of all, those who cannot let go of virtue know nothing of it.

[@letsride3016]

"ABOOOOT". The narrator is a Canadian folks 😄 🤣 😂 😆

[@auhsojpay777]

Can a person have such a hardening of the soul, or ignorance to another's well-being, that he can actually experience no guilt upon committing such that contradicts a virtue (last part of vid), and hence does not lose pleasure from his ignorance. Or is it rather what he chooses to do with his life after that that determines his happiness.

[@izanitheofile6152]

l really appreciate this Man was philosopher coz what he said iz happened in the world.

[@patrickhenry9846]

Please bare in mind, we are talking about a man who reasoned that suicide was his best option. Ain't to bright in my humble opinion.

[@michaelsaxton9416]

Inaccurate on the "soul" peace of the video. Abraham came long before Plato and Socrates, and we have a lot of references to the eternal soul in old testament of the Holy Bible / Tora. While Christ had yet to come to earth, the soul as we know it today has a lot of supporting references in the era in the Tora as well as Greek religons of the era. Good is still from God, and evil is still from the devil.

[@papertoyss]

Plato, 133 "Phaedo", 107c-d _"...However, he said [Socrates], it is right for you to consider this as well; that if the soul is truly immortal, she [the soul] needs care, not only in this period which we call life but the whole time; and the danger would now seem terrible to him who would neglect it. Because if death is liberation from everything, it would be an unexpected fortune for the wicked, after dying to get rid of their body and their wickedness and also their soul. But since it is now obvious that she [soul] is immortal, there is no other way for her [soul] to avoid suffering, nor salvation, than to become as good and wise as possible. The soul takes nothing with her going to Hades, but her education and the way of life she led; these exactly, as they say, that benefit or harm the deceased, when he sets off for his journey towards there."_

[@aasemal-lmki8286]

how I am not aware of this channels in 2018 hahah. this should be taught in school. although it might ruin the whole thing, or it can be given as elective reading and watching course. the side effect people acquire a new perspectives of life and more and better productive arguments.