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m0a.com Accelerated stalls may be a commercial pilot maneuver but I believe pilots of all levels can benefit from understanding a simple truth. An airplane can stall at any airspeed but always the same critical angle of attack.

[@abbieamavi]

the aileron recovery was always weird to me, and I find that getting the 172 to stall during cool days when im flying alone is very difficult! Great video Jason, thanks.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertlafnear4865]

Jason I wish when I was learning that an online ground school existed ( 1978 ) ,.... I had to pour through the ground school books available,.. I did well but the videos you post are worth a pound of gold..... O.K. a pound and a half.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thank you my friend

[@oldguyflies8256]

I feared the first SPIN training that is a pre-solo requirement here in Canada, but once I did one, I learned to love them! I had to demonstrate an accelerated stall all the way to full stall during my private check ride. I had never done one before but my instructor did demo it for me weeks earlier. With that and the SPIN training, it went off without a hitch.

[@miata100]

I was like no way a Bose headset giveaway! And then I noticed this video is five years old. Great information, great video

[@shep427]

Awesome. Did some of those yesterday, reviewing them on the ground where you can focus just on this particular thing really makes it stick! Thanks

[@smartycummins2500]

Hey Jason, I’m a student pilot learning to fly at KHXD. I just wanted to thank you for all the incredible videos and great content! Your videos have helped me tremendously in becoming the best pilot I can possibly be! Thanks!!

[@flightbug2902]

You a pilot now??

[@smartycummins2500]

@@flightbug2902 CFII/MEI with 1,000hrs TT :)

[@ahmadpearson3596]

@@smartycummins2500 wow thats insane to think ab and to look back at this comment

[@smartycummins2500]

@@ahmadpearson3596 just about to head off to the regional airlines now too! Crazy how quick time flys (no pun intended)

[@paulcrooks9573]

Jason, I love you my brother. Thanks. Idread this the most . Nose down ,wings level.

[@ETakaSouthpaw]

First Power left turn climbing stall broke hard left ,nose down , start of a spin . Instructor just let me learn stall spin the hard way. Recovered by my self but it sure scared me totally. So then we did it again . Nasty but survivable training . He never let me recover at stall horn but "ride it out" Good training . Straight forward stalls were a piece of cake after that . work those rudders ! :)

[@kfa013]

Imagining my IP after teaching me a maneuver then says hay, we have a giveaway 🤣

[@Jamenator1]

Done properly (power idle, level altitude) a stall in a turn shouldn't spin, if it does start an un-commanded roll then immediately moving stick forward and a bit of opposite rudder for good measure will recover the aircraft.

[@ed2800ed]

You are wrong. Airplane flying handbook 5-19 accelerated stalls. Nowhere does it ever say power idle, or even reduce power. That is a good way to fail a check ride. The point is to leave power in and demonstrate that you can stall the plane at a higher speed, when would you stall a plane at higher speed with power at idle?

[@Jamenator1]

@@ed2800ed The most common reason for fatalities in engine failure accidents is loss of aeroplane control, i.e. accelerated stall while turning steeply to make a field without engine power (a dangerous but all too common mistake). Hence why in my country we practice accelerated stalls during power off gliding turns, in addition to power on climbing turns and during steep level turns. We want our students to be prepared for any eventuality (such as an engine failure), not just ready to pass a check ride. Apologies for not following your country's guidelines, I should have known better

[@PilotCristina]

Other schools teach it this way by power to idle.@@ed2800ed

[@Gutendog]

I think we just had an accident in South Africa due to this with a solo student yesterday. Solo student was on downwind and was told to make a right turn to create distance with the aircraft in front. She complied and eyewitnesses said that she entered into a spin. I'm about to start circuits and it freaked me out.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Was she on a right downwind and did a 360 to the right??

[@flybobbie1449]

Same happened in the UK some years ago, a student on app. with flap was asked to go around, did an agressive turn and stalled.

[@Dub4Yah]

You believe in God?

[@hunterfagan6272]

My instructor taught me to bring the power back to idle, roll into a 45 degree turn and then recover using elevator and rudder with neutral ailerons

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for watching, Hunter!

[@jaykay6412]

Maybe mention what configuration you’re in? Pull the power out?

[@lonhaenel3030]

Great video Jason!

[@Teddydux]

Its interesting using aileron control in a “stall” recovery.

[@flyboy1798]

I agree. That is a great way to get into an aileron roll reversal and end up in the ground. It is a process that first involves unloading the wing, then rolling wings level, power as necessary, stabilize the aircraft then focus on configuration. It is in chapter 4 of the Airplane Flying Handbook.

[@flybobbie1449]

The aircraft has not stalled, at the first sign stall warning, horn or light.

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

More aileron than rudder.. LOL.. A Mild Maneuvering CFI showing BS..

[@cadensutton2229]

Well that's why this procedure doesn't call for a full stall, just the first indication. Therefor still safe to recover using ailerons as they aren't fully stalled yet.

[@vincelam1998]

Has everything to do with the relationship between bank and load factor while maintaining constant altitude.

[@dan81390]

He says to recover at the first sign of a stall because the airplane will enter into a spin during an accelerated stall. That’s not true. The airplane will only spin if you are not coordinated when the stall occurs...

[@flybobbie1449]

Next time you fly, take it to full stall and see what happens. Is aircraft dependant though.

[@Lolaandcassidyadventures]

I hated power on stalls, always afraid of spin and keeping coordination takes a lot of practice.:)

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

and always remember we practice stalls to practice recoveries.

[@thelastrebelshow1627]

dadab0y Gotta stay on that rudder! 👍

[@thelastrebelshow1627]

With Any plane including a 172 or a Cherokee all you have to do is exceed the angle of attack which can be done at any speed so I mean yes you would have to “screw up” but the reason they make you do it over and over is because people do it all the time. If you gonna practice stalls just make sure the planes not over loaded (like with three friends and baggage) and have plenty of altitude to recover. 👍

[@bridgefin]

@@thelastrebelshow1627 Never really knew how to use the rudder properly until I flew gliders.

[@juangabrielalumaluxuryreal6470]

What about adding full power? My instructor told me to add full power

[@flybobbie1449]

I always tell students there are two needles on the airspeed indicator, the one you see shows airspeed and the one you can't see shows stall speed.

[@aerialaeronautics3412]

Jason's my guy! Thanks again bro!

[@Devinwastaken1]

Didn't realize that's what this was called, i'm in private right now 12.6 hours in and we went up today and I asked what happens when you're in a bank and you stall and my instructor just cranks that thing hard left and pulls up and the evektor harmony we are in had a seizure it felt like and dipped way low on the left wing and as that happened he was already recovering and came out of it smooth. Scary as hell but it really sunk in that if you need to gain some height you have to level the wings a bit to get that critical angle of attack back lower so you can safely gain some altitude

[@juansebastianaraque3646]

The giveaway date is set for Oct 1st on the video banner :)

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

My bad! It's Nov 1st 2018

[@CyrilDeretz]

Hello Jason. Another very useful video. I have a quick question for you. I am learning on a Cirrus SR20, which are known not to be very good “stallers” as they risk entering into an uncontrolled spin (Cirrus advise you then to pull the CAPS in case of a spin). Do you think it sufficiently safe to train accelerated stalls on such a plane?

[@hemp184]

Cirrus are *not* bad stallers. Compared with many trainers Cirrus are designed to prevent spins more effectively through airframe design features like the double cuff wing which ensures the root will stall before the tip. Their original goal was to design an 'unspinnable' airplane, but in the end were not able to get certification on those terms and so had to add the BRS, and subsequently doubled-down on that as a desirable feature. Cirrus recommends doing all training with a Cirrus Standardized Instructor Pilot (CSIP). Any CSIP will have plenty of experience with stalls and will make sure that you never put yourself into a situation doing training maneuvers where a spin is entered.

[@CyrilDeretz]

I agree that they are designed to keep control during a stall but the direct consequence is a tendency to enter into uncontrollable spin of the stall isn’t recovered early enough, which is why Cirrus themselves recommend to pull the chute when this happens. My question was more about the risk of entering an accelerated stall with this type of known behaviour

[@hemp184]

I believe I responded to that question. The risk of entering a spin in a Cirrus is lower than it would be in most other training aircraft, therefore the overall risk when performing these maneuvers is lower. Further, if it did happen and you pulled the chute as trained, odds are very good that you would survive - not necessarily the case if you entered a spin in a different aircraft since most pilots' spin training is more theoretical than practiced. But like all things, if you just go out there without adequate training and start doing accelerated stalls in a Cirrus, you may well find yourself upside down. The same would be true in a Piper or Cessna trainer.

[@AirwayProductions]

I have over 500 hours of instruction in a 2017 SR20 G6 and I can say that the only time the SR20 wants to spin during a stall is during power on stalls while uncoordinated. I have done accelerated stalls to a full stall (not just the warning horn) countless times without a single hint of it ever wanting to enter a spin while doing so. Just stay coordinated and you will be fine. Another myth of accelerated stalls is that your going to spin if you actually stall it. that is simply not true, in fact pretty far from true if done properly.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@AirwayProductions --You just use lots of rudder to stop the stall from becoming a spin.. But like on this video done.. The pilot or CFI doing it gets too nervous and gets like "frozen feet" and uses more aileron than rudder (huge pilot error) and starts a spin. That is not the airplane error.. That is a student pilot error, even if done by any pilot..

[@johnmerizier1247]

I love Jason maaaannnn!!

[@amandasteven1400]

good explanation and demonstation. glad it was posted. (he mite want to cut back on the caffeine though)

[@frankvein5126]

Great tip, thanks

[@paudel965]

isn't applying aileron input on recovery make it worst when recovering from stall?

[@davidkvatadze5388]

yes if it he was actually stalled, but he wasn't, he recovered when the stall alarm sounded, an impeding stall

[@Buttaman2218]

You level the wings in a turning stall first, to unload the wings before pulling up to recover altitude. Level wings, full power, airspeed, positive rate.

[@mcshiggitypilot5901]

Great will tpractice in the simulator first

[@markmarincic]

Hi Jason - the entry page still says winners to be announced on Sep 27. Should we wait until you update it?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Nope all is good. Form is going to the correct place just need to change the text from last month sorry

[@zachg1017]

I clicked on the link and it just took me to a page saying yall are having a giveaway but it has no info on how to enter. How do I get in the drawing?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

The page gets super slow at certain time of the day. Especially right after a video comes out. Perhaps give a try again now that it's calmed down

[@calebmiller6611]

Do you need a rudder during this maneuver? Or since the ailerons are neutral then rudders are neutral?

[@flybobbie1449]

Coordinated, as any any other manoeuvre.

[@brianheuvel6964]

How much back pressure are you using, and what would be a good indicator? Acs shows pull elevator smoothly and firmly.

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

The ACS describes it well. It certainly is smooth yet take a bit of muscle. The controls get quite heavy.

[@brianheuvel6964]

MzeroA Flight Training so i guess just smoothly keep pulling it till the horn occurs?

[@shih-henglee6896]

I wonder if you turn 45 degrees . What is the power setting for that ? Idle or 1500 rpm?

[@mbflyin8663]

If he’s at Va in a 172, probably around 2100 rpm

[@464RJ]

Thx for the vid Jason, most stall accidents if not all are completely different than what we actually practice repeatedly scaring the ***k out of students and more than 70% of them base to final when runway is overshot trying to over bank with x inputs, Yet we still do them on the basis that students need to recognize them but in reality these stalls happen 90% to seasoned pilots vs less than 2% to students (Accident Stats) ..Huh?! every airplane should have a mandatory Electronic Stability Feature to prevent undespeed, overspeed, over bank/ cross inputs thats how you save lives! TECHNOLOGY DEPLOYMENT AT BEST!

[@pacadet]

GA is already a hobby that is already getting well outside of the budget constraints of most people, and if the recent 737-8 crashes and, just today, the Cirrus Vision ADs are any indicator, we DON'T need "mandatory electronic stability control". Optional, sure. And I'm a big fan of cockpit AoA indicators. But I will strongly suggest that we don't need any additional *government mandated* equipment that continues to drive up the cost of flying without really adding any meaningful safety improvements. Flight envelope protection is a complex subject, but generally, I'd prefer it isn't mandatory equipment in the GA world.

[@bwagenberg]

Have you done correcting for different types of spins?

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Like here, he uses a lot of aileron to level the wings.. This way you get used to use lots more aileron than rudder when approaching a stall or spin. Ailerons, like used.. This is wrong.. You are supposed to use more rudder than ailerons.. LOL.. Im an aerobatics CFI.. LOL... 02:27 "It took a little bit of rudder to get out" LOL.. This is BS training..

[@bautistap8515]

question here, how many gs can you pull on a small aircraft?

[@flybobbie1449]

Whatever it says in the POH or placard. Most are +4.4g -1.76g. Most small aircraft will stall in level flight before hitting 4.4g, but not in a spiral dive.

[@petesmith9472]

It ain't this complicated. Whenever that stick is in your guts you are stalling. You'll argue that statement but the principle is the same regardless of airspeed

[@chevya1992]

I must say I'm a commercial pilot but I'm incredibly scared of stalls. Any kind of stalls and even watching this scares me to death. And you went by yourself!!!!! Omg 🙊

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

Commercial Pilot afraid to do stalls by himself?? 1969 at 17 years old. Piper Colt. They used to send me to practice area at 13 hours only to practice stalls and emergencies SOLO. Todays pilots most are pampered cowards that freeze in emergencies. They could not solo in 1969 terms.

[@samimaghrabi1247]

All I learned here today is that u did a 45 degree left turn and lowered the nose...

[@BobbyChastain]

I totally felt the G’s.

[@peterrestaino7047]

neutral ailerons

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thanks for watching, Peter!

[@designedbybold]

Accelerated stalls aren’t in the acs?

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Not until the commercial ACS

[@kennyasskicker4134]

Could u creat a video for tail stall?

[@mbflyin8663]

Hard to practice or simulate that without tail plane icing, and that’s dangerous.

[@macdeschanel4789]

I’m a ppl student aiming for my cpl someday , I admire ur lessons a lot, but I can’t afford to buy a Bose headset at the moment, do u have any spare one u wouldn’t mind giving away 😊, thanks.

[@z1power]

Flying alone in the right seat.. it makes me feel uncomfortable just watching it!

[@BigTasty66]

I feel like he sits there because you're watching the video to learn, so it's as if he's your instructor, so he's sitting where the instructor usually sits.

[@mbflyin8663]

I fly solo from right seat to prepare for CFI check. Switching seats is like learning to fly all over again

[@Iverson8811]

I thought every stall recovery comes with full power and climbing pitch attitude

[@Tristan_Hayes]

We’re going to do some clearing turn... *banks the aircraft 5 degrees in each direction for about .5 second per bank* ... Just bustin your balls. You make great videos man!

[@MzeroAFlightTraining]

Thank you

[@luvlipstickkisses]

I had to do these to get my private license

[@highflyerl23]

When flying from the right seat feels more normal....😅

[@barnettg66]

If you don't demonstrate an actual accelerated stall and what happens, then the exercise is pointless. Describe what happens, and then as a certified CFI, SHOW US. And the recovery inputs once IN the stall.

[@davidzimmer5069]

can you speak a Little bit slower please

[@Fandkforever]

you can change the video speed

[@1shARyn3]

Damn, Another maneuver diluted for Snowflakes!!! (( if the thing stalls, snap rolls, and spins, that is just another reason to practice these --- to learn recoveries ))

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

During the Millennium, FAA bent to big greedy flight schools lobbying to cut the FAR's before solo regulations. They then cut the most important maneuvers from the reg's; Like forced landings on take off, forced landings in the 5 legs of the traffic pattern, low go-arounds, accel stalls. and even full stalls for commercial pilots were deleted. Also for a few years, steep turns were not required too. Since the millennium, Forced Landings completion are not required under any FAA Regulation. You only need "approaches to a landing area". Not a single forced landing is required for most USA pilot licenses. Flake fliers allowed. It is up to the CFI or flight school. They can teach you BS and send you to kill your family.. That created thousands of Snowflake flyers all over doing LOC and accident rate went up 20% by 2004. The CFIT was reduced, also running out of fuel. Both by automation and GPS help. But VFR LOC increased to double of what it was in the 1990s. LOC is the diabetes of USA GA. Both are produced by managers of GA Flight schools and laziness ways then transmitted to the pilots. Dont get fooled by cutting corners flight schools. Practice the main 4 kinds of take off engine fails at least on a good simulator...

[@flybobbie1449]

@@CFITOMAHAWK2 Sounds scary. I always get my students to do full power stall from a glide trim full flap go around.

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

@@flybobbie1449 - actually, in Canada, besides spins-they make you do also Go around stalls with some flaps., You drop a wing and have to kick the rudders like a spin avoid.. Canada has a better GA accident rate, even with worst weather..

[@flybobbie1449]

@@CFITOMAHAWK2 Yes i do the same, set up glide decent, trim, full flap then goaround to stall. Probably the best scenario for a stall to happen.

[@CFITOMAHAWK2]

@@flybobbie1449 That is what killed that guy in the TV Series "Ice Truckers" a few years ago. A go around stall, on a strong C182.. Go around stalls pilot errors are the second cause of fatals, after EFATO errors.. Both of them are Climbing Stalls Pilot Errors.. Some sims cannot teach them well at all. Take Care..