Ace Trucks AF1 Overview (READ THE PINNED COMMENT)

[@ThorneBenatar]

ACE AF1 REVIEW VIDEO HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6POlKGYeLGsd5Y CORRECTION: I was notified that I read my tape measure wrong (thank you Anthony De Rosa), and listed the height as 2.18" instead of the correct 2.125" measurement. From bottom of baseplate to middle of axle, the height would be 53.975mm instead of the 55.372mm I measured (a difference of 1.397mm). Albeit a tape measure is not the most accurate tool to use when doing a measurement such as this. EDIT 4/23: I misread Ace's bushing description. The top bushing is 91a, while the bottom bushing is 86a. The pivot cup is 96a, NOT the bushings.

[@mr.johnson460]

Or top and bottom grommets. Don't know why there aren't called that anymore.

[@versnellingspookie]

Isn't Anthony Derosa from Fancy Lad?

[@ulpsb]

Also looked like indy was well ridden and compressed vs brand new ace.

[@yes11889]

​@@mr.johnson460wtf is a gromet sounds like something from harry potter

[@mr.johnson460]

1970's terminology.@@yes11889

[@russcan]

The rethreading nut is no joke! They saved a pair of hollow Indys. The axle rethreader on my skate tool, and the local shop workers couldn’t even save my mushed axle. My buddy came through with his red rethreading nut and saved them :) Anyways dude keep killing it. Awesome review and skating!

[@yes11889]

Kinda messed up they couldn't sell you a retreading tool or just let you you one they probably had shits like 8 bucks for separate die cast to attach to regular skate tool don't ever waste money on those 20$ plus ones with it installed already those will fall out and fail

[@sfndemo6373]

I just got my 55 classic yesterday and I compared em with my AF1 66. 1. classic bottom bushings is 1mm++ shorter than af1's 2. the hanger geometry between both is totally different. It makes the classic wheelbase shorter for about 0.25++ inches. (easier to manual with classic) (af1 WB now almost the same as indy) 3. Af1 top bushings is more tapered shape to avoid top washer's bite.

[@felipebrock1549]

so, classics or af1?

[@sfndemo6373]

@@felipebrock1549 I like the geometry in classics but I love the quality in AF1 material

[@kris1089]

@@sfndemo6373 they gotta remake the classics for sure

[@stah7447]

"I'm making a separate video just so I don't have a 20 minute video that you have to sit through" proceeds to make 20 minute video 🤣

[@caseycameron5370]

I put indy 88 soft bushes on my aces and they perform magnificent 👌

[@Last-hz3wm]

Great review! I really hate old ace pivot cup but this one seems much better

[@DrLoudPacks]

Great review man very detailed. I just got a pair of the gold 44’s yesterday

[@patrujo]

af1 66 with 57mm wheels and 1/8 riser was wheelbite central. I was really surprised how soft the bushings are and I ride pretty loose trucks. They turn great but I don't want to run 1/4 risers so it's either cut wheel wells or run hard bushings.

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

I just cut wheel wells. It's takes a half hour with a file, sander and spray paint.

[@jcheeks36]

Used my set, definitely easier break in as the bushings update made the trucks more surfy and less stiff

[@anthonyderosa9569]

Great vid bro. Just noticing when you were measuring the height of the trucks you measured 2 1/8 inches with the tape. When converting to mm on your calculator the number in decimal form should have been 2.125 not 2.18. Just nerding out 😂 Keep it up great videos ... subbed!

[@ThorneBenatar]

Darn, I should've been more careful! Thanks for the heads up. Height would be 53.975mm instead of the 55.372mm I measured, a difference of 1.397mm.

[@jamest4016]

I would also suggest measuring on both sides because sometimes the hangers don’t sit horizontally.

[@drygulch1000]

When measuring wheelbase it would be more accurate to measure between axles on both sides of the board and take an average, this will account for any tilt in hanger because of the bushings. Thanks for all the info!!! Great vid!!!

[@andinarcadiai]

Same with measuring the height of the truck.

[@meuswe]

Nice breakdown. Thanks for the vid.

[@spiccolirocks3580]

2 1/8 = 2.125 not 2.18! Using that formula you would have a height of 53.975 mm! So that's how you achieve this measurement! If you ever get confused, 1/8 you would divide 1÷8= .125 . You can use that with any fraction! Like 7/8 , 7÷8= .875 Enjoy!

[@Sagrotantan]

My question is if the baseplate and kingpin of the af1 work fine with an old Ace hanger?

[@Ooooooop314]

I love this video! I am just wondering what the AF1 lows are like? I plan on getting them soon

[@TheLivingDeadFormats]

Thanks for reviewing these, I was literally gonna be ordering a pair of matte Black ones tonight haha. Cheers!

[@smb995]

thank you!! looking forward to the next one

[@Jethinobamino]

great stuff, look forward to the review!

[@rajs4719]

Great video man

[@slappydeathray]

Great video man, really useful. Thank you

[@sidewalkchock]

The axle isn’t curved right? Just extra metal around it so it makes it look bent right?

[@cabaiste]

Nice review, can you run bones hard bushings in these trucks?

[@gorryman]

Gonna go ahead and just put the top bushing in the top and some krux top bushings in the bottom, keep em loose like I do with my classics , they should not have changed the bushings if they didn’t change the geometry of the truck , stoked about the new sizing, Ace turn the best

[@crashbot2762]

question I'm skating independent forged hollow 149 on an 8.25 deck and I like 149 because they are wider do I get the model 55 ace trucks for my 8.25 deck or the 44?

[@TheLivingDeadFormats]

I just researched this myself actually, you'll need the 44's for 8.1 - 8.3 size decks. 55's are for 8.4 - 8.5 decks.

[@blueskynoise2177]

You could go either way. I like 149s on 8.25 as well, but i really like the new 44s. Somehow i feel like i should’ve gone with 55 but they’re fine

[@reup4023]

If you want to keep the 8.5” axle size you’ll want the new AF1 55 which is 8.5”. Axle sizes have changed with the AF1 lineup compared to Classic, check the Ace website. They’re one of few brands with a 8.3” axle but that’s only with the Classic 44.

[@blackbartsimps0n560]

don't forget you can use speedring to get them a lil bit wider so if you get the 55's use like two or three speedrings on the inside of the axle and you should get them to spread to 8.5 (Same as indy 149)

[@fortnitenyggabawls]

this truck or Indy forged hollows which would you recommend?

[@Theeezfoo77]

In conclusion are they the same height or not??????

[@landonkane1795]

I have a question would putting in Indy bushings be a good fit like how different are the shapes

[@azrulhafriz]

Hi, can standard cylinder indy bushing fit into ace af1? Thx

[@jake360flip]

I'm pretty sure when measuring truck height you measure from the base to the middle of the axle. not the top of the actual truck.

[@SnD340]

still watch you since your very first video. peralta bones wheels :D

[@32srt32]

The classic bushings blow out if you don't put wider indy bushings. Hopefully this fixed the problems.

[@abbeyglencircle]

They move the hanger back 1/4", practically an Indy with better turning.

[@gigittyjigitty6708]

I mean like all the ace trucks are based off the the old school indy’s

[@eVerProductions1]

Woah you also have hand eczema and skate the boards🤙👊👍

[@markedgar]

Thank you for this

[@hrzn-ne9sv]

Hey love what your doing keep it up I subbed already👍👍👍

[@daisyshinyweather]

Would it be too foolish to swap the bushings for a set of bones? I like that you don't have to use whashers with them.

[@goskateboarding1412]

Not foolish, skate how you want…I’ve seen dudes skate with just washers…!

[@shawnma5165]

should measure two sides for a more accurate number when you measure wheelbase and truck height

[@justinmuir9163]

Coming from indy 159 (lance mountain) would you suggest 66 or 55's I ride 9-8.75 decks?!?!

[@justinmuir9163]

@danny meza good to know thanks. I prefer my trucks/wheels to be flush or worse case board whidder than truck/wheels. Another question, the 66 axel has an etched size on it? Maybe 8.75???

[@justinmuir9163]

@danny meza right on man appreciate it

[@blackbartsimps0n560]

Ya dude i skate the exact same measurements lol But I been thinking of getting the 55's "8.5" and running them on an 8.75-9 just cuz I like my board to be wider than trucks (Helps treflips, Pressure flips etc) If you get the 66 or 55 lemme kno what u think. I've been indy 159's for the last 5 years but kinda wanna switch it up

[@justinmuir9163]

same boat as you. Just skated with some dude who had a 9 deck and 66s they stuck out crazy. Not really feeling that

[@blackbartsimps0n560]

@@justinmuir9163 Looks like we'll both be testing out sum 55's, I'm bad asf at cross locking on rails so I been thinking bout shrinking the trucks so it's more stable when grinding.

[@gorryman]

Wow they didn’t say they would be higher like Indy too , thanks great work

[@mr.e8561]

The standard axlenuts are doomed to fail if they're a softer metal ( which they most likely are, maybe grade 3?) then the axle ( chromoly is the standard, harder & stronger then grade 1-5 on a Rockwell scale). They might hold up a few times bur are definitely a clever novelty. A regular die( like in a skate tool) is a high grade heat treated alloy that NEEDS to be stronger then the metal it's working against or the rethreader will get destroyed ( they are fragile).

[@johncoleman7308]

These axle nuts are supposedly hardened steel. I don’t own them, so I can’t confirm or deny. But if you look on the site, they claim to be.

[@mr.e8561]

@@johncoleman7308 The chromoly truck axles are equal to grade 8 steel. The axle nuts aren't grade 8. Maybe the rethreading nuts, but not the axle nuts.

[@johncoleman7308]

@@mr.e8561 you clearly know more about the specifics of the properties of these metals than I do. I just went to the site and read a description. Makes me wonder why they market it that way when it already comes with a rethreading die. Maybe the nuts are harder than traditional nuts, but if they are softer than the axle it doesn’t really matter.

[@davidleeashkenazi8992]

They look better manufactured than Indy's, more refined and slick while Indy's are a bit rough on the edges - maybe I'll finally give them their *turn ;) But I do wish they were a bit lighter, I think that they are almost the heaviest trucks on the market :-/ which is a shame for big tech guys (unlike me lol).

[@selfactualizer2099]

I absolutely need to find copper/gold hardware for my board

[@RikRiorik]

Indie has hardware with two gold nuts and bolts.

[@biter793]

Do you have any social media?

[@yesmaybe630]

With all the new equipment and stuff it seems skateboarding is getting to complicated. Just skate and have fun!

[@32srt32]

How much do they weigh?

[@meltingspot1064]

Heaviest truck you can buy

[@Pd46.2]

Very thorough

[@ioan4931]

"Fancy trash" when the bag says 100% bio degradeable 😂

[@jakobjensen8881]

What do they weigh

[@RikRiorik]

The 66s seem to weigh 410ish grams. I imagine the smaller trucks might be slightly less but not probably more than 10-15g less.

[@DeadBY21Rawr]

Be nice if they made 10 inch wide trucks

[@versnellingspookie]

Dont they have Ace 77's?

[@knitterfreiyoutube]

Why are ACE Original Bushings always as soft as if they were made for children?

[@Anonymous-kr3cj]

Can someone please tell us about the wheelbase ratio of the classics vs the af1’s as well judging by the hanger of the af1’s is slightly more bent then the classics ?

[@ScRaMbLeS247]

U are wrong that calipers dont measure from there cuz they do u just need to use the corresponding face u tried using the front and back face which dont line up accurate but if u use both back faces they do both both inside faces line up as well as the opposite end can b usedbto measure accurately from the two right faces there is even inside measuring faces 4 different ways to measure with callipers outside inside right side left side

[@kennysadventures8603]

The AF1 turn way better and grind better

[@sfndemo6373]

please find a pair of ace classic and measure the WB using that zipzinger deck.

[@eggboye352]

Your handle should be You’reTheBestFast. Shalom. Appreciate the correction my dude.

[@leftovermike4663]

Ace classics are shorter wb than the af1

[@geronimosaldana1267]

Ace trucks are made by the same person who designed the indy trucks

[@arnavkrishna5117]

Pretty sure you measured right. From memory Ace Classics are 55mm and these are supposed to have the same geometry. Not sure how they got 53, maybe someone in marketing measured to the bottom of the axle.

[@RideBonesSwiss]

Ace classics are 53mm! Just checked on the website

[@Noggenfogger1]

He messed up the measurement

[@eVerProductions1]

Alex is right ace CLASSICS are 52/53mm tall

[@kennysadventures8603]

Pivot cups are hand made and way better than Indy’s

[@crystal-dn5ig]

my pivot cup already breaking lol second day

[@sl33pwalkin]

bosssauce

[@MidWestMTB]

their bushings are trash, otherwise good trucks