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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Lee Mazzio
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[@amcmahon2]

Somehow, Episode 3 returned

[@epsileth]

Somehow, the show got worse. 😂

[@kikflipguy101]

Ok I like the show, but this comment got me 😂😂

[@TK000Master]

felt like disney is doing this intentionaly now. Add something to the lore that doesnt make sense and retcon everything that comes afterwards half-hearted so that it makes somehow sense.

[@Steveo0547]

Cope 😂😊

[@Gawanji]

This episode is from another perspective, Sol’s perspective- not necessarily the Jedi - so like memories, some things are vague, missing, parodied - and wrong. So we might not find out what happened until all major characters have their viewpoint to have a voice -

[@Benoit015]

I feel like Sol obsession's with having a padawan if it had been known from earlier in the season would have made the death of Jecki have a bigger impact.

[@voiceinthenoise3357]

Exactly, we just needed more backstory to explain that Sol was restless and insecure about not yet having a padawan, and this desperation to prove himself or find meaning as a Jedi (his frustration with the Jedi council for not seeing him as worthy of being a master/having a padawan?) made him make brash choices and false assumptions that suited what he wanted. This would explain how he could have convinced himself, in the urgency and confusion, that the twins' needed protecting from their mother.

[@ForestRaptor]

It makes me curious as to how Jecki became Sol's padawan.

[@RC-qf3mp]

Sol is a groomer. Thanks Disney. 🌈 🦄

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@ForestRaptor]

@@RC-qf3mp I mean that's a fucking leap -_-

[@Drlots74]

Saying that these witches are more interesting than the night sisters is one hell of a choice

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Better NOT call Sol…

[@blaze556922]

Sol is the most identifiable Jedi we've ever had on screen. Tf you on about? Lol

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@nathanmckee5006]

padawan runs off to get the kids so he can go home, Sol yells at him to get him to stop, chases after him to STOP HIM, once he caught up, just helps him

[@VictorSantos-jz2qm]

He reached out with his hand and saw Mae and Osha

[@gowsa2233]

@@nathanmckee5006 and supposedly this is what drove him to 10 years of silence and suicide? Terrible writing

[@snuffles504]

If you think for one second Sol got on that bike to STOP Torbin, you weren't paying attention. Indara should have gone after Torbin herself.

[@RobertLopez-yf8zi]

SUPER convenient for Sol---"No...please, stop, don't make me go get my own padawan."

[@iammrmanager]

They ended up breaking into people's home and murdered them. ​@@gowsa2233

[@elketerbentzadik]

These Disney+ episodes absolutely need to be a full hour long.

[@captainplzanet1815]

The pacing is bad. It feels like nothing happens at all by the end of each episode and it makes for a tedious watch. Right when we feel like an answer is imminent, those 20min credits role.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@kingmj87]

And air nightly. Cutting up a movie into parts like this works better when it’s nightly like old tv miniseries. The show should’ve aired over 2 weeks instead of 2 months

[@elketerbentzadik]

@Cp3786 Says the person with no content on their channel, no avatar, and a random number username. Go back to the troll farm.

[@elketerbentzadik]

@@kingmj87 Or just do the Netflix binge model.

[@k1df1n]

I think you missed an important question. Where did Mother Koril go? I don't think she was with the witches who took over Kelnacca's mind.

[@justwatchingdoom]

She is Qimir

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@mrwoo10]

Good point

[@stillsixstudios]

Exactly! Was she permanently inside the Wookie & died with him years later? Or where did she go?

[@tigerlancer]

Is it confirmed that the witches were 100% dark force users?

[@Cerfpve]

"I sense that she is meant to be my padawan" was almost as bad as "somehow Palpatine returned"

[@dev1n]

If house of dragon has comparable budget, someone is stealing from disney

[@neeeeeeeek9]

or its a huge money laundering scheme 🤷‍♂️ i still cannot believe that these projects cost 100s of millions with such subpar results in quality

[@JohnSmith-og1xq]

Money laundering

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@furious_wrath7079]

I thought the govt was bad with money but damn they might have a challenger with Disney lol.

[@mattvalin1958]

I was stunned when Mother Anisaya turned into a murder cloud and then was killed....and the story frames it like Sol did the wrong thing. She immediately says something like "....I was going to give you everything you wanted" and it's like.....WHY DID YOU TURN INTO A DEATH CLOUD!?!?

[@TheChosenOnesDad]

EXACTLY! She mind controlled Torbin for what ... "I can make it so you go home" dudes been there a few weeks lol

[@stratotele12]

Yes, any rational person seeing a child getting vaporized without explanation would try to stop it. I can get being upset that you had to kill a mother in front of the child, but he seemed pretty justified in the moment!

[@dandreray1602]

How was it a "murder cloud"? The witches the only ones that didn't actually hurt anyone. She did a Jedi mind trick. It's cool when they do it, right? We expect the witches to be bad and evil because this shows supposed to have darkside, Sith villains. But it's not giving us that on screen. We just filling all that in ourselves. The Jedi literally broke into their home three times to shy and then take the kids. We've only seen the witches defend themselves.

[@kentracer4129]

Just terrible writing.

[@kreiyu]

we don't know it was a death cloud, lol. it could have been a form of teleportation. we also saw mother koral do the same black cloud thing before the wookie got his mind raped. so maybe she was going to put everyone in an illusion to stop the fight, and sol reacted.

[@gern5108]

The way Venestra talks to Sol = the way Anaseya talked to Torbin = Qimir talking to Osha = Palpatine talking to Anakin. Same seductive grooming-style of talking.

[@izayus11]

I'd imagine Harvey Weinstein's assistant would know about grooming

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@cg1704]

The Trek Stan in me had a great time with the opening to this episode... "Science officer Sol's log. We are collecting flora samples on Brendok, an uninhabited M class planet." It felt like such an odd thing to see Jedi doing.

[@jasonmazzonello3708]

That's kind of what the Jedi did though, how do you think the Jedi archives were built

[@aleczeck8971]

Most Jedi didn’t branch off to be Knights. The vast majority of the Jedi during this peaceful period were researchers.

[@citizen_wayne]

They are trying to poach us Trekkies!

[@paleogreg7427]

@@citizen_wayne The center of that Venn diagram was always huge

[@citizen_wayne]

@@paleogreg7427 I totally agree. But most people have a favorite and there lies the nugget of truth in the conflict :P

[@debramiller8071]

We need to know how Qimir met and lured Mae to be his pupil. Why do we see him seducing Osha before we know anything about him and Mae’s early relationship

[@PenguinDust1969]

Are you saying we're in for another flashback next episode? Oh, joy. 😑

[@MiningForPies]

“We” don’t “need” to know anything.

[@Fedaygin]

Indeed Debra well said 🙂

[@furious_wrath7079]

​@@MiningForPieswhy not, like what happened to OSha during her training that needs to be explained somehow or delved into more

[@MiningForPies]

@@furious_wrath7079 there’s a difference between want and need. We don’t need it. Personally, I don’t care.

[@Kiel_Robinson]

It doesn’t feel like it’s moving things forward . It feels like it’s over seasoning the broth. The writing is not convincing

[@marcelopicheth6111]

Yeah, if the show had 24 episodes I could accept it like this, eight 30 minutes episodes are not enough for this pace.

[@firstlast642]

Without a doubt it's bad writing which is a shame because the actors are doing their hardest to make it seem interesting.

[@coreyschleder8418]

​@marcelopicheth6111 even 8 - 12 one hour episodes would have helped so much. One for more room to breathe, but also the editing choices to end the episodes on hurt the show as well. Episode 3 should have been streamlined and blended into the first two as well. Good stuff there, but not enough to carry an ep by itself.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Japrivy]

You are clearly a shill. If you've been reviewing Star Wars there's no way you don't see how bad the writing is. It is Star Wars, and the standards are high. It is not a generic CW show. You are explaining things the writers never intended. The writers do not understand the lore and the fans have every right to call them out.

[@thekingcory]

I feel like the whole point of episode 7 was for both Osha and Mae to be told the truth simultaneously by Sol. Episode 6 ended with Osha putting on the Cortosis helmet which cuts off her senses save her connection to the Force; since she and Mae have an identical Force-print, she is witnessing Sol’s confession to Mae via their bond.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@thekingcory]

@@Cp3786 Nah, perhaps just hoping there’s more method to the madness than may be obvious.

[@Emzy23]

​@@Cp3786you've made this same comment 3 times on this page. Sure you ain't the bot?

[@soundwaveshadlow]

I tune in every week to see how Ryan will explain how this show is good 😂😂

[@tjbullis1491]

im at that same point lmao, i just wanna see the roundabout hilarious ways they try to trick themselves into thinking the show is good.

[@intothefrayyo]

Ayoooooo 😂

[@MattGOG666]

​@@tjbullis1491you guys need to talk yourself down rabbit holes to justify why it's bad though.

[@mm3587]

Exactly 😭. He’ll do anything to defend this show 😂. I literally check in to see how he can “defend” it this week 😆

[@tjbullis1491]

@@MattGOG666 what are you talking about? what rabbit holes? i can give you 5+ reasons, literally direct examples of terrible writing in this show. tell my why its good? how about that lol, id love to see you try that.

[@ZayaMillis]

I like this story a lot, but it feels like we have 5 more episodes to go rather than this being the penultimate episode.

[@kovie9162]

You're referring to S2, which fan demand will force Disney to sign off on--just as Headland had foreseen...

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@Montzter57]

@@kovie9162fans? Ya the insane amount of fans this show has huh?

[@Fedaygin]

​@@Cp3786 Cut the spamming already. If you mean to hurt the content here on this nice video, it's not working 🙂 Enjoy streaming Beautiful The Acolyte S01 via D+ & good trip to Galaxy Far, Far Away while at it 🙂 I always do so with "65 4K Led Telly & 5.1. wireless headphones in a dark room 🙂

[@carter358]

I agree with them about the longer run time. We should have gotten more of Kelnacca and his obvious PTSD. Clearly being taken over by the witches left him seriously headf*cked.

[@alexanderdubois9862]

Her: Turns into literal freaking black smoke Also her: I was gonna let her go with you 🙄

[@ForestRaptor]

Hey, my black smoke is just a quick way to get my child who is in danger. Just because it's black and not sparkly pink, you assume I am evil?! :

[@WallyAMV]

She was going to try and save Osha who was in imminent danger because of the fire.

[@danielbadillo8334]

So why was Mae turning to smoke too​? @@WallyAMV

[@faitheffect254]

The safest thing during a fire is black smoke.

[@yoyomayne]

Teleportation like Mother Talzin used to do, why would she leave and not take her daughter to safety when theyre gonna fight right there?​@@danielbadillo8334

[@MrFearDubh]

Maybe Sol was taken by the Jedi when he was young (say 4) and Qimir was his younger brother who was a baby later resented Sol leaving him and their family and though he also was strong in the Force, had a grudge against Sol for abandoning them and him not being allowed to join his brother. Leading him to seek the dark side of the Force. That's my thoughts about a week ahead of the finale!

[@SnowBunny_Elle]

25:25 THIS is probably EXACTLY what 7 should have revealed. That in that moment that Sol chose Osha over Mae on that bridge/catwalk, Sol created Qimir and it was Qimir that saved Mae. Or even that the witches had somehow made that possible with their little group trance deal. The reason Qimir is as old as he indicates is because the witches did not die cause the wookie was broken free...but the wookie was broken free cause the witches completed their ritual of passing their spirits to create a new life...using Sol's inner turmoil as the catalyst. So combining all the lives of all the witches that passed their spirits to create Qimir would make him older than he appears. Making Qimir a mix of all those witches and Sol...which would explain why he is so powerful.

[@TheSensationPR]

OMG, this made alot of sense.

[@jedipsy]

This is such a stupid theory. It's just reaching to fill in the gaps of bad story telling. Big reveals gain their effectiveness from being supported by what we've already seen, even if we have the wrong idea initially. There is 0 of that in this show.

[@russellwilliams1609]

It makes no sense, but neither does most of the writing on the show so head cannon it is.

[@HanifBarnwell]

@@russellwilliams1609😂

[@Doletrain]

How would Sol “make” Qimir by deciding he could only save one of the twins????

[@bovbovverson4973]

Ryan saying this show has good writing has me losing faith in this channel. “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent”

[@thesharpercoder]

Dude, while HOTD may have a similar budget, the money is spent in very different ways. HOTD spends a lot on re-using dragon CGI effects. They are re-using the same sets for every episode. There isn’t a major budget expense for alien makeup, either. I think the comparison to HOTD or Dune is way off the mark.

[@Desciple860]

Some ppl thought the flash as well written too. Ijs 😂😂😂

[@seanwine1085]

An opinion, relax, would ya?

[@thirdeye42012]

He wasnt intending to reveal anything to mae other than to explain his actions as it was the first time theyd been face to face since that night

[@Silveralways1]

I think the mother was gonna teleport away in a live version of teleport like we saw in the mountain clan on Dathomir in tales of the empire.

[@cologist]

Too bad the technique temporarily makes her look like a terrifying mist demon. -_-

[@ForestRaptor]

@@cologist Magiks are always freaky when you first see them

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

Why weren't they explain these powers in episode 3? Theres no exuse for us to not know what's going on.

[@ForestRaptor]

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord why would we. Episode 3 was all about Osha's point of view and how she remembers the events of that night.... that is the whole point.

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

@@ForestRaptor why? Because they literally explained the thread we saw the training of the children we literally had the perfect time to explain these power. But they choose to show us force push and block things we seen a thousand times.

[@Nicgross]

I actually thought this episode was too short. It feels like they have a lot to cover in a short amount of time.

[@laraq07]

They wasted run time in previous episodes with utter dreck.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@tymesZ]

So did Indara kill everyone in the coven ripping their brains out of the wookie?

[@trinity1762]

She remove them from the matrix

[@davidchism6081]

Disengaged from the connection in such a way that their minds couldn't handle the sudden shock of removal. They definitely needed a land-line phone before Trinity removed their mental US-B from the Wookie Jedi.

[@penpointred]

Either they died cause of the synaptic split or would be rad if they were trapped in the wool pie causing him to go crazy.

[@J-Mittens]

More sloppy, easy-way-out storytelling. We just assume whatever she did kills them?

[@Redjack10]

@@penpointredReading the words wool pie just made me throw up in my mouth.

[@stephenthomas2733]

I honestly don’t even think Torbin’s motivation is written well either. He says he misses Coruscant, but why? 7 weeks seems like a short stint on a planet for a Jedi. Is this his first mission away from Coruscant, and he’s homesick? Does he miss the temple? Does he miss his Friends? They don’t explain why he wants to go back really and without context as to why he misses Coruscant, he just seems like a whiney spoiled padawan.

[@jbuster9]

Agreed

[@FromTrash2Treasure]

Yup 😔

[@hypatrone6789]

Tbf as far as he knew this was a planet without any living beings. Staying 2 weeks would drive most people crazy. 42 days of cataloguing grass samples does not sound appealing

[@snuffles504]

@@stephenthomas2733 he's a teenager who was forcibly removed from his home, friends, and routine to go camp on an uninhabited PLANET for two months taking endless grass samples for, ostensibly, no reason in particular. He was promised purpose and adventure with the life of a Jedi. I'd be freaking bored and homesick, in his situation, too.

[@themarathongamer7635]

Agreed. Not to mention, every so called "Jedi Master" in this show acts like a teenager with just as much emotion control and "changed attitudes on a dime" mentality. The Jedi in this show aren't evil. They're just DUMB.

[@eggplantcomics8336]

Good writing? Character motivations change on a dime or are non existent. Then you have to ask why is mist form vulnerable to a lightsaber? Unless she chose to reform around a lightsaber killing herself as a martyr.

[@ivd4154]

Mother Koril is probably the one that saved Mae on the bridge. Koril must have been the force that was pulling Mae away from Sol's force grip.That is why it felt so difficult for him to save both. His main focus was not trying to hold up both sides of the bridge. Koril naturally was trying to pull Mae to herself cuz they are both the "dark" forces in their respective pairings (Aniseya/Osha: light, Koril/Mae: dark), and Sol could feel less resistance with Osha so he saved the twin that he knew he could definitely save and wanted to be his padawan. Maybe Qimir, being a lost Jedi at the time of the Brendok incident, was attracted to the planet for the same reason the Jedi were cataloguing it. He incorporated part of Koril and Aniseya's forces into him when they parished which is why he has the connection to the twins and knew about their dyad. Koril and Aniseya's forces probably live on through Qimir who is using their dyad strength for his own purposes. Come on, let's see it! P.S. Once Aniseya and Koril decide to go into a disintegrated form, they are essentially "sacrificing" themselves for that power and can no longer return to their previous physical body.

[@mcsquisherton]

If Qimir turns out to be a force projection of Sol. That makes all that sexual tension between OSHA and Qimir in that last episode have some super icky subtext.

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Wtf

[@mxskmg4]

Force projections can’t interact with the real world from my understanding

[@justaguy7230]

Mae didn’t start the fire! It was always burning! Since the world was turning!

[@brianbogan8499]

I’m still wondering what torbin did that when Mae showed up with poison, he happily downed it. Sure he was the reason they went back to the temple, but literally EVERYTHING that happened after they showed up was easily avoidable.

[@bobbydawkins3]

I found it pretty cool that it took that many Force witches to possess and control a wookie Jedi master and then another Jedi master flushes them out thus killing them with the feedback. Really spoke to the mental power involved.

[@Kiel_Robinson]

I really like Heather’s analysis . Mystery box storytelling is hindering the story

[@jfray7620]

It’s a “mystery” that’s completely uninteresting and lacks mystery entirely

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@trap41sosa78]

Still…. So Many Unanswered Questions

[@blaze556922]

Good

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@VolDad]

Turns into smoke monster, gets stabbed with lightsaber while in smoke form.

[@puundit5339]

The only explanation I could think of was that it’s an illusion lol

[@seanwine1085]

Or the transformation into smoke was incomplete when Sol stabbed her.

[@EzekielGarf]

I wasn't aware all the rules of smoke form had been established in canon....

[@Nathan-P-Moomaw]

@@EzekielGarf Haha, I know. I never stop being amused and befuddled by folks claiming expertise in knowing how the force works, especially when it's a use of the force we've never seen before.

[@arthmaul]

I just want to thank you guys for not being insufferable Star Wars "fans". Everyone knows the show isn't perfect, and some people only get lost in that opinion. You guys are different. You actually talk about the content, and don't constantly critique every little thing. You guys point out the good qualities of the show and then also present the bad, but in a respectable way. You guys are my favorite Star Wars channel for easter eggs and recaps. Thanks again!

[@sadie9728]

I assume you're speaking to the commenters?

[@robertmartinez4692]

Ryan just said the the writing was the best lmaoooo

[@ommypr1]

I like this channel inside look into things, but damn when I hear isht like that it makes me loose respect on their opinion of things!!

[@Kactusdog]

I can't watch this channel anymore, used to be my top youtube channel. Something is not right here. Feels like mental gymnastics.

[@NionAeon]

That ability, the black smoke monster lol, I think that’ll be how mae and osha become one again. I still don’t understand why as children they’re non identical, but identical as adults lol. Still something that stands out to me lol

[@EzekielGarf]

I don't think there's supposed to be an in universe reason for this, simply that they couldn't find a pair of child actor twins they liked so went for the next best actors who looked similar. I think we can all surely suspend our belief for a short time, knowing they're supposed to be identical. Maybe Osha ate more Spice Cream in her youth and this diet of hers altered her face. Only in adolescence did she curb her high spice caloric intake and her face fell in line with that of her sister. (I'm kidding of course) But yeah, casting....

[@NionAeon]

@@EzekielGarf yeah, just hard for me to ignore for some reason lol it was one of the things that added to my early theories of adult Mae not actually being real lol It reminds me of when a black guy and white woman have a child on a show, and that child has no sign of being biracial/mixed 😅 like to me, their facial structure is soooo non identical, the only thing that makes them look like twins is the choice to give them the same hair lol. But anyway, it’s not a big deal.. just feels like a choice that is being “these aren’t the droids” wiped away 😂 There’s so much more problems, that this nitpick shouldn’t be taken seriously in all honesty.

[@EzekielGarf]

@@NionAeon yeah I get you and that's fair. To be honest, at first I was the same and it takes you out of the scene but then yeah, I was just like oh well, couldn't get real life twin actors I guess...

[@NionAeon]

@@EzekielGarf yeah I did as well, the young actors themselves are doing fine, just didn’t understand why they didn’t do the same thing they’re doing with the Osha/Mae actor lol. Oh well

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@jmahadeo6822]

Video begins “I love this show. Here’s why it all makes sense and anyone questioning it sucks. Here’s some merchandise mocking those persons” Video continues “this show really doesn’t make sense. Where is the budget going? Let me add more criticism that’s eerily similar to the criticisms of those same people I was mocking earlier” Bro ..

[@M1kke78]

I feel like the final must present a third view (Sith). It must explain how Mae end up as an acolyte. Also a cliffhanger is needed.

[@Jobo89]

I was one of the defendants of this show but yeah this episode was not good for me, i thought every character needs and desires were easy and dum, Torbin was with them for only a week and was already missing the temple… pls… the only character who made sense was Carie Ann moss character

[@rickjasper96]

7 weeks but yh I agree

[@RadPokeDad]

Wait what? More interesting than the Nightsisters in Ahsoka? Did we watch the same show?

[@seanwine1085]

Nightsisters were mere window dressing. Morgan was the star.

[@mass612]

People are trying their best to praise acolyte

[@itsishbish2689]

Nightsisters in Ahsoka had zero exploration. We saw Morgan do cool things, but the Nightsisters were barely there to do anything, there was nothing to leave you thinking it was a real culture. Here the witches are an actual community.

[@nish221100]

Ryan, I think you nailed it regarding the Chosen One.

[@blaze556922]

They didn't have the mind possession scene look terrifying because they are playing the ambiguous angle. Who are the evil here? If it's obvious who the evil is, then the Jedi are automatically the good guys. This show is delving deeper into the fact that they are not always the good guys. In fact, seldom are they... Also the show looks great, stop reaching

[@ellicel]

I've seen a lot of people complaining that episode 7 was character assassination of the Sol we've come to know. But this older, wiser person was the result of his past. If they had revealed his past to the audience it wouldn't have felt so shocking to see him behaving like he did. Plus we, the audience, would have had the whole season to watch him struggling against some of those old demons: of letting his emotions take over, of needing to save people, of being impulsive. Plus it would mean so much more to us when he learns that Mae lives. I think they sacrificed a much better story for the sake of having a mystery box.

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

Are you forgetting the fact hes still acting weird teing up Osha and getting all in her face. Plus acting weird towards children was pretty much the only way for me to dislike Sol and that's what he did. Sorry theres no coming back from that in most people's eyes.

[@blaze556922]

You're clearly more intelligent than the people complaining about this show

[@blaze556922]

​@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylordhe is behaving the way a human being should. He is better than the Jedi order. That is the story

[@Fedaygin]

@@blaze556922 El Touche well said 🙂

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@andweknow8287]

Indara potentially lied to Sol about the councils decision to not move forward with the twins. She was ready to go alongside torbin

[@MarcAyouni]

Interesting, because it goes along the lines of this show where : everybody is guilty of something, no one is perfect.

[@aaronjones4465]

Potentially? Why don’t we know. We watched the show why are we thinking of things as “maybes, or what does that means”

[@fmaries7000]

NOT!

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

Stop bro this is episode 7 and the episode we were supposed to get answers. Theres is no more exuses like "maybe"

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@sadie9728]

Me, personally, I think Ryan has fully morphed into a Nerd Crew parody of himself. VERY cool that he already resembles Jay. VERY cool.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@NionAeon]

@@Cp3786 oh this is actually a bot calling everyone bots.. that’s some inception level shit 😂 followed it here from a comment on my post, that wasn’t even defending the show..

[@thebountyguild]

Nice having people on this time that actually watched the episodes!

[@nersesgarabed781]

It’s not that deep bro and you know it. When you try to polish a turd, all you do is make yourself shitty

[@EzekielGarf]

I dont understand the issue people have with how some of fight scenes in episode 5 were shot. I'm sure it was intentionally shot like that. First of all, the fight is sort of being shown from Oshas perspective (sort of!) and so we're not going to see every angle and the perfect shots. We're going to see it through the trees and trying to make out whats going on like Osha would be. And trying to make out whats going on, for me personally, was intriguing. It added this mystery to The Stranger. We don't fully understand at that point who this character is, and we dont fully understand his fighting. I dont know if that makes sense, but i just don't think it was bad because we couldnt make everything out.

[@Nathan-P-Moomaw]

Yes, totally agree. I like all the ways this show is shot, and I'm pretty sure its intentional, and not, as the hosts seem to imply, the result of one film unit being better than the other. It all looks coherent and deliberate to me.

[@Cerfpve]

My wild theory: Mother Koril is just a body that houses the consciousness of a Sith, "she" didn't die at the end of Ep 7 with the other witches but escapes, and eventually force transfers into the body of Qimir. This would explain Qimir's comments about how long he's been around, and would also add some history with Sol from their confrontation in Ep 7. Or possibly Mother Koril was just a witch but now is inside Qimir with the same results. She's very Sithy.

[@Xedgehog1]

The other thing I think might be happening is that (unless we're going to get a two hour run time) the season finale is going to resolve some things, but not others. It's as though Headland anticipates a second season that, based on the overall audience response, isn't going to happen.

[@matthemming9105]

Qimir says "Don't you recognize me?" While still wearing the helmet, so he couldnt mean the apothecary shop.

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@EJ_Crough]

@@matthemming9105 at this point I really think that’s all he meant… this show is very surface level when it comes to its writing and dialogue

[@edwinjohnson7926]

She’s not using The Force nor we are “visualizing” a Jedi mind trick. She is a witch. She’s using dark magic to posses his mind.

[@jedipsy]

He calls in a JMT in the first part of the video then contradicts himself later on by calling it possession. Dude is reaching further than Mr Fantastic checking the mailbox while he's in the shower 😂

[@puundit5339]

I don’t mean to be rude, but “dark magik(magick?)” is the force

[@TheSnyderman25]

@@puundit5339sure they both use the force on “thread” to use their power but I agree with OP this is not a mind trick, this is a straight up domination, their eyes turn black, etc. Jedi mind trick has never been shown to incapacitate people

[@xtrafunk]

yeah they're out to lunch on this one. this is closer to mind control than a mind trick. they're clearly not the same, or osha / yord's dialogue in ep 5 makes no sense. "my mother could do that" -> is a nonsense thing to say if literally every jedi can also do it.

[@Nathan-P-Moomaw]

@@xtrafunk I think the term is being applied more generally to mean any use of the force that messes with someone else's mind/will. Aniseya is clearly using a force technique very different in nature from the old familiar Jedi mind trick, but it makes sense to put them in a similar category of "mind tricks." The effect is all happening inside the victims mind, i.e no external witnesses can observe it. Obi wan's manipulation of the storm trooper could also reasonably be called "mind control." We don't know what that trooper's inner experience was... it might have been kinda f--ked up.

[@ultraslothvr]

My theory: Sol is Qimir’s dad. He disowned Qimir at a very young age (3/4) because he didn’t pass the Jedi test or was showing too much darkness/emotion. This is why when they meet for the first time Sol says he “senses something familiar in Qimir” and Qimir replies “you don’t remember me?” Either Sol gave him that scar or Koril gave it to him. Anyway, Osha is the prodigy Sol wanted so he overcompensates with her to make up for the fact that he failed his own child, like any deadbeat dad when they get a second chance to parent someone else’s kid instead of repairing the relationship with their own. Koril, to spite Sol for robbing her of everything, especially her kids, find & trains Qimir in the dark-side & uses him & Mae (by proxy) to enact revenge on the Jedi for what they did on Brendok. Only thing throwing me off is that it’s unclear why Koril doesn’t directly get Mae to do this unless they just want it to be some grand reveal that she’s Qimir’s master in the finale or second season.

[@jared9127]

I *love* the idea of Qimir as a dark-side projection of Sol.

[@justwatchingdoom]

Can’t apologize for this show anymore. Gave it a fair shot and was open to it. I have never spent so much time trying to rationalize the story, decisions, characters and find the answer being: it just doesn’t matter. The characters have no depth and nothing pays off at all. The pacing took forever only to reveal what already happened with just a little more detail. There’s no way this season was written to be concluded in the last episode. Andor is the pinnacle of a Star Wars series. At every moment, you felt attached the characters. You know what they want, what they are motivated by. They make rational choices. The story pays off entirely, I’m not filling in the blanks. This show is exhausting to discuss.

[@brandonmeyer2327]

Ok so the jedi go to ask questions about force sensitive children, like they tend to do... And as soon as they are inside, a witch mind controls torbin.... but we dont know who to blame.... lol

[@camandsamandjen]

Seriously. This continued sh*tting on the Jedi is dumb. Hate writing that assumes there are no heroes.

[@ricardonieto3592]

Kaimet is using OSHA to get to May and use the power of the diad.. and then they find out that he use the witches to create the diet to get the power of the diet which in Susan a battle where neither side wins Yoda shows up and covers it all up

[@thomasherberts9246]

A video with a cameraman/set producer/ director to talk about differences in visuals between big shows would be very interesting!

[@iamonthetube]

Sun / Moon is just because Sol and Qimir are parallels of one another in the story in that they both want a pupil / padawan. That's all. They aren't connected further.

[@MarcAyouni]

They are also both masters of Osha/Mae... one light, one dark.

[@jbuster9]

Thank you. Them being force projections or some such thing is dumb.

[@custodiancolorzoo870]

@@jbuster9 Word. What was that guy smoking? Sounds like he is trying to get a job on the Acolyte writing team 😂🙃

[@josephdahl]

Is nobody going to mention the fact that Torbin killed himself for no reason?

[@Beyondesp]

You mean the guilt of going into the coven unprovoked for his own selfish wish of just leaving this planet, which then leads to everyone dying wasn't the reason ?

[@thejuansnow]

Him acting rashly to get what he wanted directly caused the deaths of over 50 people...that's a pretty big reason

[@q.heffner3612]

It wasn't for no reason, he finally read the script and gladly drank the Kool aid. Too bad he didn't leave enough for me

[@BEETTHESE]

@@thejuansnow not enough for a Jedi Master to kill himself. At least to me. He certainly should have guilt but idk if that was enough to warrant his actions.

[@kreiyu]

@@BEETTHESE but indara decided not to tell the council the whole truth. so he never recieved the punishment he probably thought he deserved. i think it plays into the entire "repressed" thing the jedi have going on overall.

[@TeamCardgaming]

I have a lot to criticize about this episode but I am gonna focus with this comment on comparing the structure of this show to Andor. Andor gives us a structure that is straight forward. It gives us a contious story that shows us new characters and characters we know from Rogue One and we see their impact on how Andor became this rebel who believes so much in his cause that he would ultimately give up his life only to damage the empire. What is important to me is that the show follows a 3 episode story arc structure. Each of these story arcs built up this huge finale and each of them impact our protagonist as a character. It all rises the stakes for all character for this final confrontation. Now I want to highlight the episode before the finale. What makes the episode stand out is that it moves every character like pieces on a chess board for that finale event. This acolyte episode and the episode before don't do this. Mae could find qimir and oscha but she is not in the position to do so. Qimir has no reason to leave and won't let oscha leave (even though he lets her think she could leave any moment if she wanted to). Venestra has no idea how to find qimir or sol or anyone really. There are no stakes to this confrontation and there is no clear way to resolve this situation. The structure of this show is a mess which threw away a lot of potential.

[@CoolioAsMiles]

This show deserves the top Golden Raspberry Award!

[@justinnelson1483]

So the witches coven are actually Death Eaters?

[@GrandAdmiralNemeschy]

"So the story can happen" 75% of the show can be chalked up to this scentence

[@ytfun6380]

Love me a good Pitch Meeting reference

[@Nathan-P-Moomaw]

I love pitch meeting too, but I've had the exact opposite experience with this show. Everything that happens I find makes perfect sense based on character motives and the context of what has happened before. Which parts don't seem to make sense exactly?

[@Cp3786]

Only the Disney shills/bots will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@JackDaloots]

1:38 - We say it has bad writing because when you hand veteran actors like Carrie-Ann Moss a line like "You must agree that Jedi have the right to test for new padawans.... with your permission" Is it a right? Or does she have to give permission? That's a bad line... and it's repeated in this episode and it hit like nails on a chalkboard. That said. This was one of the best episodes of this series... so there IS good writing, it's just ... why make lame dialog?

[@clarks888]

Of all the gripes I have about this show’s rough execution, the one that baffles me the most is why they cast non-identical twins to play young Osha and Mae so you can clearly tell which is which, only to have a single performer when they’re grown.

[@Prawnsacrifice]

Even as a father of identical twins they do look quite different as odd as that may sound its small things but theres definitely diffrences i never understood movies doing this😅

[@clarks888]

@@Prawnsacrifice two of my kid’s best friends at school are twins and I couldn’t tell you which is which, but these two on a TV show I’ve seen for a total of like 45 minutes screen time it’s so evident that it then makes no sense for them to be identical as adults.

[@EJ_Crough]

I can't believe Ryan thinks this show has good writing.... It consistently made the most baffling creative decisions at every turn

[@tjbullis1491]

his opinion has completely lost any weight for me because of this show i dont trust their breakdowns anymore either...

[@kings5223]

Same. The writing and depth is on par with a CW show.

[@ChrisMcCarroll]

@@tjbullis1491 so Ryan is not allowed to have his own opinion. He has to have the same opinion as you or he is wrong.What are you, a Jedi?

[@marc-w-dot-com]

Look at the guests, they will NOT come on the show should honesty or sanity prevail - the house of mouse will nix their access. This is a minority channel gaslighting us on this junk.

[@chaynehampton5335]

They paid em to say it

[@SpicyGingerBeef]

I get that Disney needs to sell subscriptions, but I wish these Star Wars shows were "Made for TV Movies" instead. I would hope a good movie is more appealing than an alright series with lots of filler.

[@lomiification]

I'd rather have a longer, more episodic series I'm sure the Netflix 10 episode season is great for shooting and production pipelines, but they feel both rushed on main plot, and full of filler

[@HanifBarnwell]

I suspect a happy ending next Tuesday where Qimir, Sol, Osha and Mae form the Knights of Ren. And good ole’ Master Yoda makes an appearance.

[@lookingoverstrangeterrainl3667]

Dear @Screencrush Here is a theory: In the Rise of Skywalker, both Kylo and Rey were a diad. Palpatine while away on his planet spent the entire time not only building up his fleet, but also collecting force sensitive people who were amongst the crowd. I propose that they were all under the same black eyed spell. Having both Kylo and Rey present allowed Palpatine to take the power of two in combination of the many in the crowd would make Palpatine the strongest force user in the Galaxy. I believe The Mother was going to use the twins to strengthen her power, and the Coven was a mass of force sensitives willing to sacrifice themselves to be the power of many them all being Acolytes.Thats why they either passed out or died when the connect was severed like in Rise of Skywalker. DaRTH PLAGUES influenced The Mother to start this Coven to learn the secret to eternal life. Either Master Andarah or Kylo Grin are the Apprentice to Plageus. Also there is something with Master Andarah only taking her gloves of to cast the Covens spell from the Wookie. Plus we don't see her talking to the counsel in the presence of Sol. Once The Mother was killed, it would have been important for Master Andarah to get the twins to Plageus to complete whatever she learned. So you can say the same for Kylo Grin. You can poke all the whole in this theory all you want. But t makes sense to a degree.

[@Will-IsOnYoutube]

Finally a fair and logical review of the show. There are many issues and positives that can be discussed without making the conversation hateful Thank you all for not falling into the trap many other reviewers of this show have been

[@SudoSamurai]

The Tremors bit was the most entertaining part of this review.

[@seanwine1085]

Then stick to watching Gilmore Girls reruns.

[@SudoSamurai]

@@seanwine1085 i will. Better story and acting then what is portrait in the Acolyte.

[@joeyvela]

your theory makes the most sense of a story that feels completely incomplete with no direction.. yet I feel that if you gave this full star wars connected script to disney, they would throw it away and somehow tell you that that's not how the force works haha

[@FlightInTheEye]

So I’m calling it now, Darth Teeth is Palpatine. He sees how to create life from just the force, he has a spindley Plagas in the basement, and he has an affection for masks. Though he can’t wear one himself he gave Vader one. Oh plus his 2 lightsaber fighting technique. Too bad we had to have another gimmick lightsaber, this one however actually seemed very useful

[@jimp3547]

When is this show going to be about the Sith? Thats how it was sold to me. He's had 1 episode and it was awesome.

[@seanwine1085]

Sith, or Knight of Ren?

[@jimp3547]

@@seanwine1085 I would be good with either, but he said "Sith".

[@KRDMD]

Thank you for providing an objective review of this episode. Hey, the show is not perfect but it’s not as catastrophic as what most commentators portray it to be. Most have been so blinded by their rabid hate of some aspects of the series that they are unable to appreciate the several gems dropped on each episode.

[@snellydrummerboy]

I think people that like this show are blinded by their love of everything Star Wars and the desperation to see the old republic in live action. None of the lgbt stuff or casting choices bother me. It’s just nonsensical sorry telling, with bizarre character motivations, I don’t feel invested in any characters. Who are we rooting for?

[@seanbaugh3239]

*C'mon Bro...* 🤨 Most people are so blinded by their rabid hate of the shit I took on the floor of KFC© that they are unable to appreciate the several pieces of sweet corn tucked inside of each turd. 😂 *"NUFF SAID"™*

[@KRDMD]

​@@snellydrummerboy This is exactly what is unique about the storytelling. It is not your typical good guys vs bad guys. People are so pissed that their angelic view of the jedi is being shattered. It also humanizes the origins of the sith. People simply can't get past this concept.

[@snellydrummerboy]

@@KRDMDyou’re completely wrong, it’s not unique…. It’s just not good, it’s Clunky and nonsensical, I don’t understand how anyone can consider this good story telling

[@gern5108]

Watch 3 and 7 scene for scene (as if edited together) and several interesting things occur including - Torbin being "summoned" and leaving camp to go get the twins happens as soon as Osha tells Aniseya she wants to be a jedi, not a witch. At that moment, Torbin's debt is being repaid. When Torbin says "This is it", he is referring to getting on his knees and begging Aniseya and this was her granting his wish. This happens right when Koril accuses Sol of using a jedi mind trick on her = witch mind trick on Torbin.

[@themarathongamer7635]

I do not believe the "Jedi mind trick" is even close to the same thing as what we saw Momma Witch do to Torbin. Obi-wan didn't invade, or possess, the Stormtrooper's mind in Ep. 4....he quickly planted a suggestion. If he had forced said stormtrooper to lift his blaster rifle and blow away his buddy, that would have been a form of possession. Just my opinion, obviously. That woman was in Torbin's head for minutes, not half a second.

[@zenenzarcon]

I think people just want to hate Star Wars The show isn't great, but it isn't the worst show on TV, and not the worst Star Wars show to come out. I really don't get why everyone just wants everyone to hate it as much as they do, (when half the time all they're doing is regurgitating what some other article/youtuber says) Maybe it's a misery loves company, being reflected in how dividing the USA is rn and everyone has sportified things and anything that doesn't support their team has to lose, die, and go away.

[@daveg2938]

This isn't just a horribly written star wars story it's a horribly written SHOW period. This is a product that should get people fired.

[@zenenzarcon]

@@daveg2938 That's like, your opinion dawg

[@Nathan-P-Moomaw]

@@zenenzarcon There does seem to be something weird happening. And yes, it does seem to have a similar pattern to it as the overall polarized online culture. I believe that plenty of folks honestly dislike the show, but the heightened emotions and accusations seem out of step with reality. Maybe it's the algorithm playing up controversial videos/comments? Or I've also wondered if there are bad actors playing up the controversy for other reasons? Folks accusing Screencrush of being paid by Disney because they like talking about Star Wars lore feels way over the top for sure.

[@TheeKrix]

The only mystery is where did the $180 million budget go?

[@Billtuba]

I was thinking that Qimir would somehow turn Sol to the dark side, maybe to save the twins, but that would be him killing a Jedi without a weapon.

[@docmorrell]

“It looks like a TV show” Man am I about to blow your mind…

[@alexandrasylvan]

Right 😂😂 I'm revealing myself as an 80s kid but I vastly prefer when things look like really cool sets, it instantly brings back memories of awesome sword + sorcery epics from the 80s, like Legend, Krull, Conan. I LOVE the look in the Acolyte and it absolutely does not look cheap but they DO look like sets... that have been worked on for a very long amount of time!

[@BevoGuy]

This is definitely not my favorite Star Wars show so far, but at the same time is not nearly as bad as some are trying desperately to portray it as.

[@nicklogan6299]

Sol reminds me of a stalker

[@darmal8770]

I want this little girl I've been spying on the be my padawan even though I met her for like a minute... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kreiyu]

@@darmal8770 lol right? he was a little creepy.

[@graymoon3000]

Totally stalker vibes lol

[@shawtymooresshortpulls8615]

His first sight of the girls was them using the force on the alien butterfly. They were searching for a vergeance in the force. It was his literal job to Stalk and investigate. I think we’ll give Sol a pass for that but not for his un Jedi like desires to save her out of fear.

[@fmaries7000]

Sol saw witches standing around a scary hole and Mae told them that momma said "all must be sacrificed" as part of their duty. Sol was trying to save the twins. He wasn't stalking them.

[@artiemedley9369]

That phrase, "You don't remember me?" struck me at first, too. However, later on, the phrase, "I've embraced my darkness. What have you done with yours?" made me think their connection was even greater.

[@adamwebb8114]

It's totally moving things forward finally, the amount of content in this show is very fascinating and is growing every episode

[@VladiArsenal]

The only explanation for this review is that is was sponsored by Disney, there is no way an objective person will call the writing good.

[@timodonnell4270]

The writing is absolutely trash imo Tobin can reverse grip one hand block a possesed kalnacca. The witches die out of no where for no other reason than convenience. “You think I would let my daughter be taken away by a different cult I disagree with on every ideological level? Yep” Your praise of the writing is hard for me to understand. It hasn’t earned such praise from me.

[@ArlenKeshabyan]

Cal Kestis IS the balance in the Force

[@bentonkelley67]

I think the big reveal is vanestra has a whip type lightsaber and kiamira has a scare on his back from his master who kick him out of the jedi

[@kiingnesta]

I love this channel,and have even recommended this to others… but saying this show has good writing is LAUGHABLE.

[@tjbullis1491]

yeah im done telling people about this channel lol. if this is what they think good writing looks like thats really a bad sign.

[@faitheffect254]

If only Jack had assumed the Smoke monster had good intentions and just wanted to bring them spaghetti O’s and open the hatch for them, they would have gotten off the island within the week.

[@ianmcd66]

“Star Wars scholars”? Good one.

[@Lumibear.]

My guess is it’s structured for the modern age of streaming in order to reward everyone for watching it twice, once in ignorance, once knowing what we learn by the end.