Actuator Failure! Mechanic hid the Problem! Stripped out Worm Gear! Dodge Charger 5.7 Hemi

[@steveb6103]

The most shocking thing is that you dropped a 10mm and found it!

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

Wow

[@jamram9924]

Yet, how many 10mm sockets are out there lost 😢😢

[@ZSAZSS09]

​@@jamram9924somewhere out there, is a 10mm socket living it's happy days free from any rachet. There's probably a 10mm socket paradise. I've lost a couple of them, during the years.

[@titaniumman_22]

There is a huge pile of 10mm’s in hell!

[@michaelpressman7203]

If it wasn't for a magnet on a stick I would have a pile of tools, nuts, bolts & parts in nether regions

[@charlesslack8090]

My son (the mechanic) wanted to replace one actuator on my 2013 Taurus as I only had heat in July. The part is only $15.00, and I suggested that while in the dash, that we should replace all actuators due to their age. Total parts bill less than $80.00! To do this the console, gauge cluster, driver side air duct, radio, climate control cluster and everything below the passenger side air bag had to come out of the car. Spending an afternoon sharing cuss words with my son, PRICELESS! I am not so surprised that Dodge also has the same INTENTIONAL problems with bad parts. Why are there many items that have metal gears and will last forever, yet highly educated engineers have to make garbage products out of crappie plastics? Planned obsolescence, keeping the service department busy and parts sales are more important than bulding and selling a great product. Great job and keep up the great work!

[@crazy4dariver]

Best hack I learned as a kid: rubber glove, tiny hockey puck magnet (pencil eraser size) in the index finger of the glove, put the glove on, go fishing for what you lost or metal shavings

[@proudcanadian5713]

That driver's side actuator was murder to work with. I could almost feel the heat as you tried to get the piece. Well done, bud.

[@thomasmleahy6218]

Made French toast out of his forearm!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

I worked on a 2006 dodge Charger silver with the 6.1L Hemi V8 yesterday customer was told by another mechanic it needed a Radiator and Thermostat and fan and customer already bought parts then contacted my shop and I ended up diagnosing it and needed 2 Fan relays the relay owns were loose inside the relays and fans started working And stopped over heating so many shady mechanics out there.. Made my customers day since he just had a Brand new motor and transmission installed so he was super happy @Rainman Ray's Repairs

[@philipchesley9615]

1:24 Ray I'm showing my age here. I grew up with servos lol. Glad you brought me up to speed! Cheers!

[@erikpreston1805]

I had to do the same thing for my Explorer, all plastic gears, if they used metal gears this is a fix that would rarely need to be done.

[@N7492]

Ray never ceases to amaze me with his clever tricks to persuade recalcitrant parts to be removed or replaced. Kudos!

[@EristiCat]

You should have seen me replace a heater core in an 88 mustang gt.

[@MarkSmith-js2pu]

With one hand

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

@@MarkSmith-js2pu That's what blows my mind about YT howtoers. Working with one hand.

[@TXCherokee]

I have been up under a dash before Ray. It’s amazing what a camera man you are to get those shots. Great Job 👏👏👏

[@tthealer]

I had a similar situation on my 2012 Challenger, I changed all 3 actuators, the AC was somewhat under performing, then the fan was rattling, so I changed it. Now, the AC will freeze you right out of the vehicle on a 100° day! Those actuators are a pain (literally) to get to. Great job on the video Ray!

[@1337penguinman]

At least you don't have to pull the whole dash out. Which surprises me considering these things are basically a Mercedes.

[@theodavies8754]

Least favourite place to fix anything. Some reason I always feel churned up working on the space above the pedals. When it's hot just makes it worse. Hats off to anyone who goes there and doesn't quit.

[@gianfrancoa]

@@1337penguinman the platform was shared with the E class at that time, but that's all. All the interior is Dodge crap

[@craigcraigster4999]

This is some of the best cramped quarters interior videography work you've done to date, even more impressive given that FL heat/humidity. Under-dash work is definitely a young person's game, unless you have a chiropractor on speed dial.

[@rvndmnmt1]

Just replaced a vacuum booster on a 2014 GMC Acadia. You have no idea how true that is.

[@bobbg9041]

It really sucks on some cars ive been upside down laying on my back half on half off a drivers seat doing remote starts, getting in isn't that bad but in your late 40s trying to get out is murder. Now im in my 60s im still paying for it. 8 plus hours a day 17 years Christmas rush was the worst we stayed booked up 2 months ive done them outside in 8" of snow. Worst is some kid brings in his car we didnt have a lift but he wanted his under car neon fixed, but the car had 12" of snow on it. The inside of the garage was 78 dgr you were in a foot of water with snow falling off the car on you. No floor drains. We finly got the boss to stop selling neon lights. That crap always had problems.

[@mistermister124]

another thing i noticed is that he rarely gets mad and even when he does it's just mildly irritated. and never once uses curse words. his parents did a good job raising him to be a good young man.

[@68stonesfan]

I can't believe that you enough room to use a battery powered ratchet to replace those actuators . The units I've replaced have required hand and body contortions, as well as a bit ratchet. Great video as aways, Ray!

[@TrondBørgeKrokli]

No worries, Ray. Having to move your camera for installing actuator 2 was completely fine, I wouldn't beat myself up over that. Good job.

[@digi3218]

I've done a brake light pedal switch before and had to put a bench outside the door to get in a position to fix it. There were videos on KZbin on how to fix it, and I'm amazed how people can record some of this stuff 👍

[@wiseass7888]

I love when southern state residents talk about "winter time" where in Florida it gets to like maybe 40-50F? That's still t-shirt and short weather up here in Chicago!

[@fromquake]

Dorman. My condolences on having to do that job again in a few weeks.

[@jamesoberg8809]

My experiences with actuators have been that aftermarket actuators fail to calibrate with the system. I replaced one with an aftermarket unit and could not get it to stop clicking. Replaced it with a Mopar unit and it calibrated right away and hasn't failed since. 2008 Jeep Liberty Sport.

[@forgetfulme1719]

there goes markup profit though.

[@stevemccooleq]

Oh for the old days when you had sliding controls on the dash and reliable cables to open & close these blend doors!

[@KentuckyRanger]

It's great, that you were able to replace those actuators, without having to pull the entire dash out.

[@dallasdorrington7449]

What fails to amaze me is these cheaply made cars that start having small issues like this. I have stayed away from buying a newer car because the old saying "They don't make em like they used too". I own 2 cars and both are more than 22 years old. 1 is a 2001 Nissan Almera/Pulsar N16 series with a QG16DE engine 16 valve VVT 1.6L with over 368,000 miles and other than 2 clutches, waterpump and 4 sparkplug igniters nothing else has gone wrong with the car other than the normal things that are maintenance related the car has been very reliable. Love your videos Ray great work. Damn that gravity!

[@kasmanien]

I literally could not do this repair as my shoulders got stuck and had to have someone pull me loose. LOL One of the times I just had to bite the bullet and pay for a repair. So, I am impressed by your agility , as well as ability ,Ray .

[@jimmeade2976]

Considering how detailed Ray is (ex: making sure the oil filler cap letters are correctly oriented; belt letters are readable, not upside down) I'm surprised he hasn't straightened out the digital thermometer next to the Door of Death.

[@RichThiele]

Sounds like me, lol. Line up all the fluid cap lettering, index wheel center caps to the valve stems, line up all the phillips screw slots, etc.

[@bigmountain7561]

My Daytona was awesome, owned it for 14 years and replaced the average amount of parts every year except for the injectors. Remember that’s a two piece driveshaft so if there’s a vibration very slight at 70 and above replace it. You will know a night and day difference. Always dealer serviced in Pinellas County and she was an awesome car. I had the same issue as your customer. Great Video Thanks 🙏

[@thomasfetters7877]

I still have mine with the sub lime I always get looks and people give me a thumbs up I'll never give it away 😅

[@bigmountain7561]

@@thomasfetters7877 My wife fell in love with it in 06 and a I got her one here in Sarasota. We owned it for 15 years and when she passed in 20 I didn’t want to disrespect her memory with another woman in Charlene. So I traded her in and gave someone else the joy of having a really nice car. I still have the sticker. I’m glad that you still have yours and Sub Lime is a really cool color.

[@harrysetchell4632]

I can feel your pain ray i hate working in small places and could only work for 5 minutes. I have coffee and dit down and watch your videos l learn at lot

[@tracycolorado]

NAPA makes a back board stand almost like a weight lifting bench , so you can lay down comfortably working under the dash 😊

[@squiggyg.8415]

Bolt retrieval was Emmy award winning footage 😎

[@alainmartignier8928]

The filming is even more impressive than the repairing! Well done Ray and thank you for sharing as always. Love your videos!

[@normanappleton3627]

The old way of moving this type of vane, with push / pull cables was much better than this easily broken system. I have a 22 year old vehicle and the AC has never broken down. I also have a 7 year old vehicle and the electronic system broke at 3 years.

[@andrewdonohue1853]

Cables would control the temperature blend doors, and vacuum would control the blend level doors. That type of system never breaks

[@kampar82]

Something has gone wrong with vehicles. I need to get an older car too. I'll have to admit, electric windows, electric mirrors, automatic AC, etc don't really add that much to the experience as long as the vehicle is nice to drive.

[@normanappleton3627]

@@andrewdonohue1853 too right, Andrew. Do you remember when we had quarter windows at the front of the driver and front seat passenger windows? Open them on a warm day and you didn't need to waste power driving the compressor!

[@dotar9586]

@@andrewdonohue1853 I seem to recall a lot of mid 70's cussing at the vacuum control unit in the dash.

[@shanestrains2849]

I rather replace an actuator than hunt a vacuum leak for sure.

[@tombradley4842]

Try sticking a small magnet to your extension before unscrewing the bolt 👍🇬🇧

[@dotar9586]

I actually have a couple specifically made to slip over hex shank bits.

[@kuronyaa-san]

Definitely cramped in that compartment. You, your tools, the camera and 500k subscribers do make it a very tight fit. >_>

[@Dane-bootsNcatsN]

Similar thing is wrong with my caravan. It's the blend door motor. Nice easy fix as long as you can get under your dash easily. Not very easy for me being 6'2"

[@alexandermckay8594]

Holy crap, Ray! You must be a wizard at those claw machines in the arcade!

[@MagnumOpusSRT]

After actuator replacement on these mopars, disconnect negative battery for about 10 minutes and reconnect. All the actuators will re calibrate, takes about 90 seconds.

[@burnnotice5086]

I did the same on power door locks that kept cycling by their selves. 2006 Dodge charger

[@loisrinehart6755]

I love your commentary, Ray. I have worked on cars for the last 60 + years or at least before you needed $20,000 computers to diagnose. I've talked to myself the same way and people I worked for thought I was crazy or at least had other folks in my head I was talking to. Love it. thanks.

[@bbaaspencer1]

I picked up an Autel that does all models. Different price ranges, depends what you want to do. One year free updates, then it cost to update. Mechanic since 1976!

[@sportsfan9614]

Ray when you were digging that torx bolt out using the magnet and mirror, man you had me twisting and contorted, I turned my phone at every angle, trying to retrieve that bolt.... we got it out without dropping it into the abyss, didn't we Ray.... great video's Ray keep 'em coming. Thanks so much.

[@ralph5476]

Amazing the number of times I have put up a hand to help on Ray's videos. Duh!

[@DonsJunkmail-vg1wt]

A nail biter...for sure.

[@mr_ice117]

Can't believe how easy it looked to replace. As a former chevy owner with the horrible click of death coming from the dash i would've just done it myself. Every time i turn the car on, 3 minutes of clicking from the dash

[@michaelray5595]

I am glad Ray continues to show he's human like us!!😂😂 "its hot...dont touch it" immediately touches it. 🍻🍻👍👍

[@TheCorpsehatch]

Good morning, Ray. Nice, an early upload today. That actuator sounds like there is a Predator inside the dash.

[@curtisophillipsjr3203]

All hail the Lord of Gravity !!!! I used to surprise people when I used to crawl under a dashboard! ( I was a large person in those days ) and yes, some were pure torture! Can't wait to see the next episode!

[@huricane5184]

Yes indeed. The camera work is as always phenomenal

[@jeffreycalabro6495]

What a great Annie Oakley move with the mirror

[@tnekkc]

I did all my own work ~1970s on my old ~1960s cars. It amazes me how cars got complicated.

[@joker6374]

Ray little tip for those actuators a 1/4 flex head ratchet with a mid socket is the key. It lets you have control of the screw/bolt and still screw it in at the same time.

[@jenniferwhitewolf3784]

Wish I was closer. I would have your shop replace all the actuators in my 98 Corvette. Finding someone good these days is a challenge.

[@DennisShea-mf8wk]

Ray, to keep from dropping small nuts and screws, why don't you invest in a small hand held magnetizing / de-magnetizing block for sockets and torx fittings ? Will probably work majority of time. Watching you there's always little tidbits I wouldn't have thought of...don't slow down, great show.

[@hestheMaster]

I have a couple of those from walledmart and they are a search time lifesaver if you drop a small nut or screw and it bounces into a place where you can't find it easily. I work on vintage tube radios and I'm old.

[@yogidemis8513]

My co-worker took a body crawler and bolted some small jack stands to the bottom to lift off the ground about same height as the vehicle so he could use it laying on his back working under dashes without having to mess up his back bending and laying down in odd positions. It was the more incredible thing to use. A bit heavy but completely worth it.

[@chrisobrien2528]

As a former aircraft mech, I love those "Remove Before Flight" tags!

[@darrellgarlough7140]

Ray one thing i have found since the inception of 134a on Chrysler products, is if you add 1/2 pound extra to the system they work great. If you don't, they seem to have issues. Might be worth a try in your area since its so much hotter there

[@jamiepatterson1214]

It's always amazing that easy repairs are never designed into an engine and the other components crammed under the hood. During their schooling, it should be a requirement to work in a shop for the field they eventually enter. That way they get a first hand look at the problems encountered when installing or repairing something, helping them to take those problems into account in their designs.

[@MrSloika]

And the auto companies would promptly go bankrupt listening to you.

[@dcgregorya5434]

They use the same dash layouts and components across many cars over many years. Ease of access is one consideration... cost of manufacturing is a larger one. You can't sell a car for $5000 more because it makes your mechanic's life easier. In their world, they'd be giving up some of their profits so that the mechanics can make less money...

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

A mechanic at a Ford dealer told me to never set the controls all the way to one end. The actuators will last longer as they don't stall out and strip the gears when they are at the end of travel. It is a poor design.

[@jer8313]

Plausible

[@roymatson8117]

When I'm doing work under a dash, I use a camping cot so that I can lay flat on my back. They're perfect height for cars and low trucks. I have a 2003 Dodge Durango and it's perfect.

[@thomasfetters7877]

I'm glad to see you work on it I have a 2007 dodge charger Daytona sub line and it has over 3000,000 miles on it and it still runs great they made 1500 and my number 385 out of the 1500 made I cant start my day until I watch your videos with my coffee thanks again

[@jayktee96]

Did you add an extra '0' or has it really done 3,000,000 (three million miles) 😃

[@thomasfetters7877]

Lol yes I need spell check one to many 0

[@aj130267]

Fantastic content love your videos 1 comment in my garage never allowed to work on customers cars without gloves so as not to leave grease everywhere we had it drummed in to us saying that your work ethic is amazing and wish more garages followed your example keep it up

[@voldem0rt]

I did this last year on my 2006 5.7l 300c. Fun seeing someone else deal with the heat hose

[@gregivey183]

Heart rate increased to max when you dropped that bolt...whew!

[@mymycojourney7924]

I've had a 2013 charger and currently have a 2016. I've had to change actuators in both and I feel your pain! You did a great job of making that look easier than it is, even though it was difficult for you! Side note, I still have backup actuators for both car for when they fail next! Except I don't have the 2013, so it's just a random actuator sitting on my parts shelf lol

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I found out a little trick with the actuators on my Expedition that make them last longer. Never set the settings fully in one direction. This way they don't get locked on the ends of travel and strip out the gears. It is a poor design. Vacuum actuators lasted longer and were cheper to replace.😊

[@expertsniper1811]

I know it will be extra work but when I had to replace the actuator on my car I removed the seat and made it more comfortable and easier to work on. Just a suggestion

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Good video as always @Rainman Ray's Repairs

[@brettemerich3237]

Ray not that this is what you need. If its cost effective there is mobile ac units. It works if you are in a certain space for awhile 97 degrees is pretty warm to work in all day. Stay cool

[@stevo4649]

thankyou Ray,you certainly enjoy a challenge, looking forward to part 2,,👍👍

[@johnluszey1734]

Nice job Ray as always. You seem a lot more in good spirits since you have your own shop and I like the no drama. As to oppose of your old work place. Keep up the great work brother

[@jeffally9115]

Ray ray knows his job and he is good at it 😊😊😊😊

[@ralfie8801]

Ray! Quit teasing me with those cool 97 degree daytime temperatures. It’s been 97 degrees the last two days in a row when I got off work at 11:00 PM!

[@michaelhawthorne8696]

I was actually choked when you lost that bolt at 32:20 Nice recovery at 32:44 when you recovered it.....

[@kevincurry4735]

Wonderful Sunday Ray. I think of Henry Cho with the clicking noise. At least you know what is causing it.

[@GeorgeMandry]

This is why I repair things on my vehicles as they go bad - "deferred maintenance" = crying time when you get the bill!

[@lsvegasman1]

24:27 I love that Ray knows the value of wire hangers... Ray said "Suck in"

[@forgetfulme1719]

all plastic hangers now.

[@williamallen7836]

Ray failed playing with blocks. That TXV is rectangle, not square. Lol 😂

[@jadesluv]

Maybe the cabin filter is dirty hence the inability to get cold

[@Evil12monks]

I definitely change my cabin filter on a regular basis.

[@keithharrison708]

Ray, don't you have to calibrate those actuators? As you seen, the actuator continues to turn with them hanging loose so the computer needs to know when to stop them so they don't continually try to turn. I know I had to do that on my Camaro.

[@TimothyAnderson-se6dv]

my wife and I have a 2014 Charger, 2 blend door actuators broke, tried to replace them myself, what a pain to get to, needed to pull more than the glove box door, they still didn't work right so off to Dodge to have them look at it, they have to be programed now with the obd2 hook up.

[@Grayhook1]

I actually enjoy doing as much work as I can on my vehicles. Two reasons I am willing to take them to a shop and pay… I don’t have the equipment necessary and if I take it in, I’m willing to pay for hazard duty (cuts, smashed digits and burns).

[@darylmorgan9887]

Nice Hemi but didn,t know if you were upside down or inside out on that drivers side Ray. Excellent content as always. Cheers from Adelaide Australia.

[@KSimmonsKenny]

I have had to change all 3 of my Actuators on my 13 Chrysler 200 2.4L over the years. The problem has been the plastic shaft for the plastic gear has broke on all three. I thought it would have been the gear, but it was always the plastic shaft with mine.

[@EristiCat]

It’s amazing how many different models Chrysler was able to but the same basic dash, controls, and instruments in across there whole model lineup. That’s practically the same exact dash and stuff my 2009 PT cruiser had. Great car.

[@davidhomen4528]

A mirror is a negative space in a frame. Great job getting it out! You must have been a great operation player!

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I have one of those claw cables that work great to retrieve parts with. Bought it back in the 1970s.

[@ricklarge7976]

Lucky Ray Day, instead of Gravity Ray Day. Great job.

[@cornflakeusa]

I don't know if it was mentioned but on some actuators you can remove the gear that has a broken tooth turn it a half turn and pop it back in. On my 2010 Dodge Ram I was able to do that on the actuator next to the glove box. It looked like only part of the gear is used, it just turns back and forth not using the other half of the gear. So I did that so now I'm using the other half. I did this 7-8 years ago and it still works fine. Of course I wouldn't do this on a customer's car but it's fine for my own vehicle. The dealer wanted 800 bucks to remove the dash since they didn't know which one might be making the noise. I told them no thanks. I was lucky to find it was probably the easiest one to get to.

[@artillerest43rdva7]

the atomizer helped, too bad that the compressor need to be done too! yes, it is better to not burn the heck out of your self! do it another day! great job trouble shooting the issue! it was bad that someone disconnected the driver climate controller because they could not, or did not want to replace it. can not wait for the final chapter in this dodge hemi!

[@scottslattery5590]

Great job ray tough to get into small spaces understood. Cant wait to see how this came out

[@waldolemmer]

That first sentence is a mess

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Looks like the TXV is stuck Open 60 degree on low side way to high @Rainman Ray's Repairs

[@ahmadghosheh3104]

My hat off for you brother. That's one hell of a job. Save your back and be careful

[@martincool9221]

I feel you brother. I done it in my 2012 charger, pain in ass driver side actuator the metal hose are f ing hot and very little space. Passenger side are pieces of cake.

[@carstenht]

That magnet operation just qualified you to be a space station robotics operator! :D

[@jimburgess9205]

I had a very similar problem with my a/c in my 2009 Grand Marquis. It ended up being a temp sensor in the ductwork not allowing the blend door to fully close off the heat portion of the hvac.

[@mattdye2870]

The actuators are truly a pain in the butt to change!! I’ve done 3 between a Tahoe and Silverado, and had a few sore spots for a couple of days from twisting around on the floorboard 😂

[@kybruce1]

Reminded me of changing heater core behind dash in my 1995 Corvette. Worst repair job ever. Had to lean on huge doorsill on passenger side. Actually cracked a rib. Changed cabin filter in our 2018 Rogue last week. My side is still bruised. Working under dash is not a job for 68 year old!

[@CrimeVid]

Yes that happens, try putting a folded blanket over the sill, I try and have at least a hip on a trolley/creeper or some such raised platform.

[@jayjaynella4539]

I am 68 and can still work under dash. But I am a little bloke, skinny and handsome.

[@ronhansen7717]

I have a similar actuator problem with my 2014 Ford Fusion. The driver and passenger side actuators are working properly. The issue is with the actuator that controls the center vents defroster door. It does the clicking thing as well and the door doesn't move. I've had the part for a while, but am not looking forward to pulling the whole dashboard apart. The dealer wants to replace the entire unit, a $500+ part and 100s of dollars labor, when it's just the actuator. Labor is whatever the labor is. Right now, I have it jury-rigged by propping the door closed through the center vent. Some day, when it's not 1000 degrees (I live about 90 miles from you), I may tackle it, unless it is something you would be interested in doing.

[@petersomma4407]

A little dab of RTV would keep the screw attached to your tool. Worth a try on these long distance removals.

[@harrysetchell4632]

I am going to try that next time I have to remove a bolt in a tight spot

[@petersomma4407]

I used to work on truck scales and some of the bolts and screws were very hard to reach. RTV on the end of the socket or on a screwdriver worked great. One of the older techs taught me that when I was a newbie!

[@Peter-pv8xx]

I was told by people who have spent some time in Florida that when the temperature reaches 70 degrees they put coats on and heat on.

[@christopherten-eyck4473]

This reminds me of disconnecting the whole dash of a Volvo to replace the blower motor. I used bungi cords to hang the dash.Thanks keep up the great work. 👍 hello from Pa USA.

[@RayHay1000]

Thought a road test with a decent air flow will pull the temp down further. Compressor may be unnecessary.

[@digi3218]

I have a big socket set but I'm missing one of the 14mm because I dropped it and could not find it. I'm glad even professionals drop stuff too 😂

[@christopherten-eyck4473]

This reminds me of replacing a heater control valve on a saab 900. I had to be up side down under the dashboard. Pain in blank. Made me wonder why I ever became a saab specialist. Then I left the saab dealership and started working at a Ford dealership. Much better.

[@billquillin1952]

I use an old chaise lounger pushed up to the door frame. Gives me something to lay on. Saves the ribs and the back.

[@toploadtele]

I believe you may have just diagnosed a potential ac problem I'm having with my Jeep WJ AC not cooling as it should explaining the expansion valve issue, hopefully its not a bad compressor. The only thing worse than dropping a bolt under the hood is dropping interior bolts in a BLACK interior... nice fishing expedition!

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I dropped the Sim card out of my dash cam on the floor of my Expedition. Took me two hours to find it.🙄

[@Psichlo1]

All I can say is that I hope the blend door is easier to replace than the one that's in my 14 Camaro. You essentially have to removed the entire dash and interior to get it replaced. That cost, outside of warranty, is estimated at 2-3k. Seems like bad design, especially when you realize that GM knew these things were faulty fairly early on and did nothing to address the issue.

[@leonardpeters3266]

My Crown Vic had the entire dashboard apart 2 weeks ago for the blend door actuator.. I like that design better.

[@Mr740juggalo]

You need a underdash creeper, basically a flat board like plywood and legs on one end. Lay board across rocker panel and the legs on the other end sit on the garage floor.