Adam Curry's Analysis on US TikTok Ban and Twitter's FBI Links

[@ohlawd3699]

Either way, Tik Tok going away is better for society in general. That's just the truth. 🤷‍♂️

[@ryebread921]

kids will just move over to youtube shorts or facebook reels, same detriment to society

[@rolandmetcalf4253]

Why???

[@tbranscom1]

it would be better, but unfortunatly this is the meta now. this is what genZ wants right now. youtube is trying to do it, Instagram is trying to do it, if twitter can pay their rent they are going to try to do it.

[@HereForMma]

@@ryebread921 less in the face and harder to push an agenda

[@morganwartman8507]

I’m hoping the OP’s comment was sarcasm but it’s hard to tell on the internet…TikTok is a cancer along with Twitter

[@krys-anne]

All of these apps are free, so remember, "when something is free, you are the product "

[@Cub__]

The price is your soul and consciousness

[@wnrr2696]

@@Cub__ the price is a trade off, we get to ‘use’ their stuff under the guise of us thinking we are getting something however we are basically feeding their AI programs to make them learn patterns and therefore solutions faster and deeper. It’s a weird time to be alive

[@davemaclaren2077]

Apart from Signal.

[@angel_of_rust]

Unless you pirate

[@ragemachine420]

True but can also be just to sell us products like over the air tv and radio.. they are free and our data isn’t to w commodity in that case

[@reidsimonson]

The worst is with Facebook. When you give them access to your photo library in their terms of service it says it owns all of your photos now and has the rights to them. It’s absolutely crazy.

[@aeromtb2468]

i remember seeing gene hackman’s character in enemy of the state and thinking borderline nut, but now its pretty much reality.

[@lizardpeople]

The effect that tiktok is having on attention spans is something that doesn't get brought up enough

[@user-ik5ze1sh7i]

That was always part of the plan, have you noticed people don't have memory anymore ?

[@jonathanradcliff6192]

Ticktock is successful BECAUSE of people's attention spans these days. They designed thier platform around 15-30 sec clips because people can't focus on anything for longer than that without getting bored. Corporate News has been doing this for decades.

[@typicalrockhound9887]

@@ericdeangelis6894 Trying to spread your shitty day around 😄👍

[@hom0s4cer]

people don't have memory anymore? that's called dementia.

[@Cub__]

@@Crusader_METDidn't have a clue what that meant and seen many people using it, really goes to show how majority won't even read a paragraph that could be beneficial to then because of poor attention spans.

[@VenomKen]

There is zero reason these social media companies are allowed to exist and do what they do if they were not simply the outsourcing of surveillance for the US Government.

[@dirtbikeguy321]

Spot on

[@dont-touch-mepg1392]

If it's just what this guy says then y is TikTok not allowed in China WHO MADE IT!

[@JD-kg3mx]

Nothing special here. I don't know if that's true but why would the US waste X's & O's gathering info on a number two pencil?

[@rayniffersantanna1891]

It’s dumb and all but it’s also freedom of speech. What you gonna do about it

[@scatdawg1]

That's a stretch

[@mariadeliagomez70]

Am I the only one that has known this since 2011. We’ve had countless whistleblowers step out of office warning us about this for years. And yet. Anyhow, there is no privacy any longer and this talk was much needed. Thanks guys.

[@duncanpadgett]

You're forgetting that no-one remembers anything anymore.

[@turtleb7170]

I knew about google since 2005. Im watching it all unfold

[@jayzee316]

yeah I read google TOS back in the late 2000s and realized they monitor and record keystrokes as part of the data, including your credit/debit card info when you're typing them in for online purchases, that was a moment I realized there would be no privacy going fwd.

[@shoazdon7000]

@@turtleb7170crazy to think about that, in 2005 people would have called you insane for holding those beliefs

[@Earl_E_Burd]

Love how he describes sinister things as beautiful to glam it up

[@MadeByToxicz]

His point was that all social medial is the same

[@eugenecrawley4897]

Look up “Joe Rogan asks Elon Musk HARD Questions about Cobalt Mining for TESLA Batteries!” thank me later 🙏

[@mikefm4]

Even if TikTok is an innocent company, what it’s done to peoples attention spans and personality is devastating. Society will be better for it being gone.

[@MBsaysGOPATS]

worry about yourself

[@user-lq1tp4yw3e]

@@MBsaysGOPATS Only worrying about yourself ends up with a society with nobody to worry about you

[@user-yd8wp8rz2b]

Before Tiktok, people were glued to their TVs, then youtube, etc. etc. It's people who need to change and control their addictions.

[@soulfinderecho6462]

People's attention spans were shit before tiktok

[@abeurakadabeura]

@@soulfinderecho6462 yeah but it got even worse. When there was no smartphones but only computers, people couldnt just bring their computer outside, so they had to leave their addiction at home

[@thehunzz]

Just b/c TikTok is kicking butt, doesn't mean everyone's wrong about the China stuff.

[@MrHighSchoolVlogs]

Exactly… Adam is quite a bit off on his analysis on some of this. Their terms of service are a lot more intrusive than any other service even if almost any major app tracks a crazy amount of info. Their ties with the CCP are waaay more dangerous and worrisome than any other app and it’s not even close. To overlook that is naive

[@jasonnakamoto]

They don't really care about the China spying stuff though.

[@SixthDream]

No different than the US government. look at the twitter files. This is about control over you. Controlling the narratives. They all track us. Don’t like it? Don’t use it

[@nickleary1982]

He knows. He discusses it a lot on No Agenda.

[@burningknuckle26]

Nah they wrong

[@theonewhositsabovethetable]

It’s so sad, people don’t even talk with each other anymore, cause they don’t make eye contact, and all wrapped into the phone.

[@heimbiggysmallz]

For real. I’m 20 yr old male and no one makes eye contact. Im usually full on eye contact but now I have to match what these other people do and not make as much eye contact cuz I can see it makes them uncomfortable. I’ve even been with women who can handle a single second of eye contact like it makes them that uncomfortable. Even after hanging out with them a few weeks

[@theonewhositsabovethetable]

@@heimbiggysmallz I’m with you man, a woman would rather add you on Facebook instead of giving you her number, so she can potentially creep you and judge you before ever talking with you, and yes I’ve met a lot of woman that claim to be strong but just not strong enough to maintain eye contact really weird. I feel bad for my fellow men.

[@meatmanj9157]

The thought of Marco Rubio working with these big tech companies is kinda hilarious on its own.

[@coatingkings]

Once he said that, I tuned out

[@js9446]

guys fulla shit on that for sure

[@mattkelly9000]

And josh howly, they are the spearhead in Congress going after everyone of the company’s. This dude is a bozo

[@rekyks2220]

It's a conspiracy inside a conspiracy inside a conspiracy inside a conspiracy. You just don't know the truth man. Sheeple /s

[@richardsmith9615]

nick clegg, former british leader of coalition party is now employed for Facebook metaverse. You'd be surprised how deep it all runs.

[@TheNeoSabre0]

While I agree with him that these Tech companies are scared it's also extremely narrow minded to avoid the fact that western tiktok is full of degeneracy yet the people who made it supply healthy mindfulness and success through the exact same platform. They're up to something and blaming big tech wont solve it.

[@tawandatawanda8388]

The West is full of degeneracy even without tik tok

[@TheNeoSabre0]

@@tawandatawanda8388 I'm not gonna disagree but there used to at least be a semi filter to the youth, now there isn't

[@valerianwinterdrake7187]

stop making excuses, westerner, the content on tiktok is due to USERS, that tiktok has degeneracy in the west is due to the users being degenerates.

[@jessejames7801]

Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, all jam packed with degeneracy. That's a world wide web problem not just TikTok.

[@Grok.]

Can you please explain what makes tiktok more degenerative than any other mainstream social media place?

[@inspire_grind3004]

Deleted tiktok. Was doing a data security sweep on my electronic devices and found out tiktok still has access to every single thing on devices such as phone and laptop even though I have deleted the app from everything and the account. The weirdest part about seeing it was I couldn't find any way to access to remove that.

[@fishstix4209]

And that's why you read the terms of service before downloading Chinese Spyware...

[@DavidPacJr]

Senator Tom Cotton that once you deleted the account, to get a new phone

[@PureOrganic]

Should be removed from the App Store if that’s the case. Apple should be catching some heat for this

[@PureOrganic]

Apple was willing to remove Twitter, but spyware that poses a national security risk gets a pass lol 🤡

[@prod.ajaton2]

God thats good to know. Switched my phone like 3 months ago and havent had Tiktok on this phone yet. 100% WILL NOT DOWNLOAD this VIRUS APP!!

[@Sweeney-Kubach]

In the State of Florida, you have to have written consent to have your private information released to any party. I literally had my information removed off Eqonox and Stream service. It's free to have your information removed. This stuff is insane.

[@Sweeney-Kubach]

@@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII thank GOD I live here in Florida.

[@Fotosynthesis858]

I’ve never had a Twitter or a TickTalk & I fully deactivated my Facebook & Instagram about 3-4 yrs ago. Best choice I’ve ever made 👍🏾

[@DailyCorvid]

People can't let go because they realise how lonely and irrelevant they are. When we gave up our social media, we realised this too and made life real again.

[@tadah21]

​@@DailyCorvid yes while watching on KZbin account they get us either way it seems 😅

[@DailyCorvid]

@@tadah21 People need to zoom out a little. The things that they see that disgust them, these are not exclusive things to KZbin or Facebook, or Twitter and TikTok. They are exclusively human things. Wherever you find the humans you will also find those things. But do they rule you, and do you paint your life with the images they put in your minds eye? Or are you immersed in a world you recognise as false, in the knowledge that the people you meet there are deceiving you in all sorts of way? "Drink the coolade" Was made for this comment :)

[@thegrapevine10]

I've always thought tik tok was stupid and it's rotting people's brain worse than IG, Twitter, and Facebook. Get rid of em all personally, people IQ might start going back up

[@annamariascalderaro-defina8969]

I 👍 agree

[@rumchata6569]

That’s a condescending blanket statement.

[@thegrapevine10]

@@rumchata6569 why don't you go save a drowning fish

[@youuuuuuuuuuu]

@@rumchata6569 Anything that starts with "I've always thought" is an opinion

[@Nitemerican]

Social media was truly the beginning of the end.

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

Can't believe people still trust Tik Tok with their privacy. I thought it's been clear for years that the app is sketchy and has terrible privacy practices.

[@jimmytimmy3680]

Right because Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Google are so innocent and ethical.😂😂😂

[@doraemon402]

Just like youtube, which you are using right now.

[@AnthonyMartinez-ym8nr]

@@jimmytimmy3680I don’t think Facebook can go through any of your files even if you logged out of your iPhone 7 to log into your iPhone 13. Tik tok can

[@heiltecn9ne]

@jimmytimmy3680 they all are sketchy but Tik tok as bad as any

[@MsQ275]

@@AnthonyMartinez-ym8nr lol keep thinking that social media == mental illness

[@jfilms8660]

As a consumer of content, I saw this coming months ago. TikTok’s UI, algorithms, and just the speed at which you’re constantly interacting with content has made other apps feel like reading a newspaper. The funniest thing to me is how vine came so close to the same thing years ago.

[@skyweaver3199]

Good comment.

[@MagicJellyBeanPastelLucidDream]

Divide and conquer, they made us feel like TT is uniting, but really it helps fuel misinformation and it is just plain as day that the severity of said issue will increase as people use it like boomers do their newspaper.

[@highspeedwifi72]

@@skyweaver3199 brother some of us saw this coming YEARS ago

[@polite8317]

@@highspeedwifi72 oh man highspeedwifi showing us up, he KNEW

[@drbray]

@@polite8317 hahahaha I love the " I knew " folks

[@evanjimene8057]

Humans do not lose faith. And please talk and help one another.

[@brianbarnett1004]

A woman mentioned something I knew nothing about, while we were talking at the bar. My phone was on the bar listening. What she spoke of, (something from the 80s) popped up in my Google feed. NO WAY that was coincidence!

[@kathyd1010]

Happens all the time! My son’s girlfriend asked me about my Christmas dishes .. SPODE dishes I told her Guess what came up on instagram???? Yup! Spode Christmas dishes.

[@Chris-tx3eb]

The phones don't read our minds, they put the thoughts in our minds

[@moonlightfilms5279]

It’s most likely not listening. The amount of resources it would take to gather and process that information would not be cost effective. What happens is you have a unique profile that is associated with most devices you use, this profile takes in a summation of lots of different meta data such as google searches, location, time spent on a website down to specifically how long you hold a cursor over something. They can tell via your geolocation that you spent a fair amount of time, even if it was just a few minutes, in close proximity to the woman who has her own unique profile. They will take some of her meta data, such as recent data that might have her googling or listening to a specific song, and feed it to you. What happens most of the time, is she was fed that song via her proximity to someone else, she responded in someway that registered some sort of positive response, such as a 5 second abnormal pause, then they try to repeat the same reaction say with you, and it just kinda keeps going on and on continuously with other people in a cycle. I’m a software engineer, they’re not listening to you, but it’s still definitely creepy the amount of information they have on you and how they try use social engineering to find a way to get your attention

[@Chris-tx3eb]

@@moonlightfilms5279 it's crazy how they made the battery unremovalable

[@brianbarnett1004]

@@moonlightfilms5279 test the theory then. Talk about some random Movie character close to your phone. See if that movie doesn't pop up in your Google or KZbin feed.

[@markbogle4784]

This guys an honest Mike baker

[@zack9912000]

not even close

[@mountainskys]

Bwaaahahaha

[@Kaotik199O]

Joes clearly not buying this 😅

[@chrississon5954]

Because someone else told Joe that only Tik Tok does it, so that's the point he wants to argue.

[@dertythegrower]

Smart on Joe. TikTok is not good on many levels, and this man does not see the full permissions page it is set to on family members phones. Most people do not realize, it's entirely tracking things you would never imagine.

[@chrississon5954]

@DERTYthegrower֎ I'm assuming this is tik tok for phones. They can't track or pull anything without the hardware. Why doesn't the same culpability apply to phone manufacturers? They clearly allow it to happen. Is it because they essentially do the same thing? I google search something on my phone, I get an ad on my laptop. I don't use tik tok. What's different here?

[@Peter7966]

Not buying it either. The CCP runs all businesses in China, especially those that can be militarized in some way to hurt their enemies. They also have a lot of stooges on their payroll to say what this guy is saying. China is desperate for $$$ right now and Tik Tok is a cash cow. Figure it out.

[@orsoncart1547]

You can tell if he's right by finding out the ad revenue tik tok generate compared to other platforms, its not rocket science.

[@scapewrld999]

i love thiS MAN both of you! ty joe and adam for this

[@alexsalari2014]

I’ve been saying for the last 8+ years that full circle, phone use dies. Not everything obviously for convenience but it’ll eventually be “cool” to not have social media. That’s the curve I’m waiting for

[@plmPissekatt]

Don't hold your breath. It's insanely addictive so the app might change but the game will probably keep going.

[@alexsalari2014]

@@plmPissekatt very well could be true. I’m hoping not.

[@natedoggschip]

People are addicted to it though. It's like cocaine, but more addictive, there will never be a time when people won't do cocaine.

[@tigervalley62]

I don't know about that man. I personally think it's here to stay permanently. Whether it stays the way it is now, or a better, civilised evolved version, one way or another It's just a part of life now. It's literally the international public town square, where everyone communicates with each other. Like, I would have never spoken to this many people, and made the relationships I have now, from people all around the world if it weren't for social media.

[@aaronwebb1548]

"Moreover, we have seen enough by now to know that technological changes in our modes of communication are even more ideology-laden than changes in our modes of transportation. Introduce the alphabet to a culture and you change its cognitive habits, its social relations, its notions of community, history and religion. Introduce the printing press with movable type, and you do the same. Introduce speed-of-light transmission of images and you make a cultural revolution. Without a vote. Without polemics. Without guerrilla resistance. "Here is ideology, pure if not serene. Here is ideology without words, and all the more powerful for their absence. All that is required to make it stick is a population that devoutly believes in the inevitability of progress. And in this sense, all Americans are Marxists, for we believe nothing if not that history is moving us toward some preordained paradise and that technology is the force behind that movement." From "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business" by Neil Postman.

[@ilikebassandagiraffe]

I always like it when this guy comes on. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I admire his ability to speak his mind without caring what people think.

[@seanhovan7426]

He is completely wrong. Look at tiktok terms of service

[@GlennEggleton]

or with being an expert in the things he is talking about

[@gregmize01]

Check out his podcast- No Agenda Show

[@S1aughtahyou]

You should check out his last pod with joe. He predicted the ukraine/russia conflict and possibly "predicts" the outcome. Dude is hella smart

[@SectorOne350]

@@seanhovan7426 id like to see a straight side by side of all the big social media companies terms

[@Feverdream7777]

It's not just key strokes. Corporations can tell where your mouse moves, and what it hovers over. They take that meta-data to understand how to create content and what is most optimal in how you view it.

[@GeneralBlorp]

There’s nothing “meta” about those data my dude. Those are direct indicators of your real time behavior online, AKA “behavioral data”. Meta-data would be something like where you logged in geographically or how long you were online. They have so much more than that. 💫👍

[@ZeranZeran]

They call it a heatmap! It actually shows them where users hover their mouse cursor the most. When my friend showed me that in ~2012 I was seriously creeped out. Imagine what they must have now.

[@ZeranZeran]

@@GeneralBlorp ... No, it's one of many examples of metadata.

[@moonlightfilms5279]

@@ZeranZeran the company that started implementing that type of tracking was Amplitude.

[@Feverdream7777]

@@GeneralBlorp Confirmed by ChatGPT: Mouse Tracking Data is called/considered "Behavioral Meta-Data" and also "Web Analytics Data".

[@hexn00b52]

You were recommended to me by someone in the Drip Network chat. Wonderful content. Spot on.

[@easyegg9760]

Tiktok is really going to be bad for the younger generations. I’m 24 and saw the effect while I was on school. It truly does hurt a lot of peoples mental health in these days. Everyone thinks they need to be something they’re not and feel bad about themselves. It teaches people to not be comfy with themselves. That being said, I love it for the comedy

[@fr3847]

Ohio

[@andyy6481]

but how is that new? that sounds like FB/IG, and the internet...

[@sirgreedy88]

@@andyy6481 TicTok is ran by the CCP who have already been caught manipulating what Americans see drastically different than what Chinese people see. Chinese children see educational content American children see LGBT propaganda and degenerate garbage. That's a weapon, not a social media platform. The others are garbage but they do not focus content like that for nefarious reasons.

[@iAnon666]

@@andyy6481 yeah I agree, fb and insta and MySpace all did the same

[@stefanaustin]

Tik Tok will probably be redundant in a few years, something new will be trendy. Showing my age a bit but growing up on MySpace there was a time when it was all the buzz, now it's basically a graveyard for people to relive their emo days. Tik toks changed the way people engage, attention spans probably have been shortened as a result.

[@rishibeauty8889]

I have been saying this for a couple of years now. I am the one person that actually read the Terms. Everybody laughed at me & said I was a hater. People dont care about privacy anymore. An entire generation is used to not having privacy- they just don’t care.

[@Bob_Smith19]

It’s all by design.

[@seijunsejuki]

They don't care about civil liberties in general, sad to say.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Its why i never had any social media besides youtube. And i only have YT because theres not jack-shit on tv worth watching.

[@bsame]

why would they call you a hater?

[@briannorth2857]

I assume you didn't agree with the terms?

[@Andy_Sidaris]

People who think that each and everything they do isnt being monitored, by people we pay to do it against our will, are extremely naive

[@Skidward420]

I believe they’re referred to as the 99%

[@rogerwilco1777]

In my life it went from you didn't talk about politics or religion and your privacy was #1.. ..You'd never gave your address or phone number to random people or corporations.. people had to commit federal crimes (stealing your mail) to get this kind of data.. you wouldn't announce everywhere you went or are going for the world to see.. Now I cant even get a cheap haircut without them asking full name/address/email/phone number.. I asked the girl why they needed all that and she flat out said, "It's so we can track you better.. we track where our customers go(shop) so we know where to put up our next stores, which sites to advertise on, and we'll mail you coupons etc".. ..Of course i use fake names for all that stuff, but if a cheap barber shop is gathering that much data just imagine what the actual data collectors or gov is doing. Now people give up their personal data for a free taco.., and stick a camera/listening device in every room that's made in a country that wants to destroy us. Oh well I guess this is the world now, hopefully our doorbells don't try to kill us someday.

[@Stark.......]

Insta reels and youtube shorts are the NEW TICK TOCK

[@evilwatermelon99]

Tik Tok’s main issue isn’t necessarily the data it takes from you, it’s the data it presents users to make them dumber

[@phutureproof]

but not in china where its used for educational purposes, crazy world

[@alv4049]

@@phutureproof Because China seems to care more about their people. There's no reason why the US government can't intervene like the Chinese did. But no, that would be totalitarianism, communism, socialism, racism, despotism and every other ism under the sun.

[@Dwaynesk]

So you are blaming china for being a good government 😂😂

[@danielgloyd4529]

@energy9432 Calling China's government a good government is a huge stretch. They aren't stupid, and they aren't afraid to flex their authoritarian might. They are just doing the job good parents should be doing. Blocking the children from watching and participating in creating content that actively lowers their IQ.

[@evilwatermelon99]

@@Dwaynesk By actively carrying out mass-scale psychological attacks on the youth of other countries? Yeah I'd say that's pretty blameworthy 🤨

[@chickenandchips8802]

In Pakistan, we banned tiktok a while ago and it was honestly one that best things we ever did.

[@bryantparker7390]

Yeah I hear you guys run a tight ship over there.

[@coopermccormick]

@@bryantparker7390 🤣

[@chickenandchips8802]

@@bryantparker7390 wdym a tight ship?

[@audiobookschill5888]

​@@chickenandchips8802 strict and less lenient

[@roaddog7542]

Imagine a company promoting the idea of microphones in homes years ago. (Alexa) We've passed a point where sheeple can't tell the difference between the shepard and the butcher.

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

There is much we all don't know including myself and yourself. I get it you're angry at the system in place. Many of us are. Please don't shut down open, honest communication with fellow people with Ad Hominem attacks (sheeple). Fracturing society is a sure fire control mechanism! Were you aware that Joe Rogan accepted 100 million from spotify to bury Dr Greer (unacknowleged) podcasts. This is straight from Dr Greer's mouth in Theories of Everything recent podcast featuring Greer on UPA minute 45:25.

[@charleschamberlain]

Check your Roku, and other TV's also that are "Smart TV's" they have cameras and microphones in them also.

[@Mark-ps5ww]

As ur typing this on ur phone which does everything TikTok does.

[@komlat253]

Lol half the apps on your phone won't even work unless u give it permission for something or I see them still using stuff when u say no .u always keep Google locations off yet its always recommending near by places .the hell ? I've literally traveled the world and it will talk about shit hear by me lol.

[@rossmore4682]

what do you get for pretending the dangers not real? you follow the leader down welltrodden corridors into the valley of steel

[@jimlayhey7378]

13:34 First time ive seen jamie after years of wondering!!!!

[@okpyoy]

Adam curry king of podcasts

[@nuclearwinter391]

The podfather

[@markclemmens2862]

Adam Curry is the best.

[@ianr.1427]

25 years ago, if you had told me that I would be deeply interested in a conversation between the guy from News Radio and a former MTV VJ, I would have said you were high. But here I am.

[@sthubbins4038]

Are you not high?

[@jasondoolin6476]

Same. I am.

[@vinceandrich4603]

What’s interesting is that we need these two guys to intellectualize the fact that big business runs our government. Yea, shocking I know 😂

[@jasondoolin6476]

@@vinceandrich4603 vice versa is also true which is the whole freakin meta story being revealed for months, now. So the question is honestly still.. who tf is really in charge? The corps or the gov?

[@Argonak1]

​@@jasondoolin6476 Corporate without a doubt.

[@pureoxin8135]

While I agree that TikTok has garnered a lot of attention for how it influences young people’s minds (in usually bad dumb ways)…I think the better solution is to teach kids and youth NOT to do dumb things they see on the internet. We don’t ban movies because we have an expectation (in America) that kids will be raised properly enough to know the difference between fiction and reality. We should better teach kids to control themselves rather than take away their ability to use something based on a lack of self control.

[@adrielle1123TT]

@Don’t come for me unless I send for you 🤷 I think u could make the same argument for movies and shows. Movies/shows are created using data that shows what kind of material has alot demand/popularity. Scripts created with that info in mind are typically okay'd for financial backing by production companies. Television/Movies were one of the first biggest influences on American society nationally. People within that media also consume it

[@kennethriley3565]

You are right. Ideally. But, I also feel like it’s a runaway train parents weren’t prepared for. Had no precedent. Now it’s entrenched and th norm. It’s terrible

[@robertbarnes4012]

Thank you for your courage.

[@pmo8135]

Itm

[@camus444]

Adam is the best. I wish it was Thursday. I need my No Agenda fix.

[@timothyrose438]

Adam Curry again? Awesome!!

[@dertythegrower]

Nah.

[@dertythegrower]

He isnt the best on this tech topic, for sure, kido. Heh.

[@chaserivera1623]

The good old days were when kids watched 2-5 minute memes on youtube. They were comedy skits. Vine and tiktok came along and it got reduced to about 15 seconds with silly noises. The video equivalent of chain smoking. It's terrible what tiktok has done for attention spans and addiction

[@christiancsq]

Mote time = a lower attention span? O.0

[@blade9179]

NAH, vine was goated

[@chaserivera1623]

@@blade9179 I like how you say that but it's almost identical to tiktok

[@blade9179]

@@chaserivera1623 it was*

[@nickguzman1734]

Sounds like more of a parenting issue. People were able to become addicted to media long before this app came around. The video format is and will be replicated regardless of Tik Tok.... Because that's what works

[@georgedreisch2662]

NSA has been embedded into the various telecoms going back to the -60’s, and is the actual collection apparatus. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the various social media platforms are mirrored within NSA or like partner / agency, then distributed out to other agencies from there.

[@Gunship888]

Yes very worrisome, definitely being watched by our overlords 24/7.

[@vonb2792]

the NSA has been recording everything since the dawn of time... this guy speak 100% truth... the americans are just not happy they losing their edge, cause if china send satelitte, china has its own system

[@aneesall]

Whenever I hear his name I always think of the classic Headbangers ball on MTV

[@fxthe1st]

open source is the only way forward

[@RealMTBAddict]

Mastodon

[@csmith9684]

Being bored is becoming absent Growing up before internet i remember how we (friends) would think of something to do - create something to fill the boredom ... such a simple thing right? This "technology" like TT is removing or making it less likely to be creative in these bored moments of time. Stalling mental growth...IMO

[@andrewj8520]

Do literally 5 minutes of research into the company that owns them. Not saying I don't hate their competitors as well, but I'm fine with getting them out, regardless of the justification.

[@yogi2983]

you're dim af

[@andrewj8520]

@@yogi2983 Interesting take, considering that you seem to have trouble forming sentences. Look up social credit schemes, Uyghur genocide, CCP social engineering. ByteDance is a key collaborator in the surveillance, oppression, censorship and manipulation of billions of people every day.

[@Anarchistarchitect]

Why dont you just uninstall, must you control other people to feel good, people are out making money from the app and you are here begging to cut their income

[@Argonak1]

​@@Anarchistarchitect Nobody cares ya Chinese bot.

[@Anarchistarchitect]

@@Argonak1 you are the communist here 😂😂😂, rather than just uninstalling an app yourself you want the government to help you

[@amc78]

Adam rocking the Google pixel

[@HeartlessWon506]

I would watch this but I’m waiting for someone to upload it to Tik Tok first

[@realvalue626]

Yes, Facebook, Google, and many apps track all users in the US. However, these are American companies under US Laws. Tiktok is not a US company and its headquarter is not in the US.

[@Jusaguy000]

His point is interesting but tik tok still needs to go

[@lolodlamini2392]

and all the other apps

[@johnbutler7567]

I don't use tik tok but Instagram and Facebook have the same cloned video format so it doesn't really matter ifntik too goes away. If you don't like what tik tok does there are many apps that do that same thing

[@dertythegrower]

It's not that interesting, it's tracking data

[@dertythegrower]

Tracking of data, for sure... greatly spyablility.

[@tydendurler9574]

It's like saying the worst-economic-fuel car is ok because all cars spend fuel.

[@AdmiralJT]

I was across the room and briefly talked about Frank's Red Hot sauce... Instantly got YT ad for it...

[@Rich10000]

Yeah thats creepy, almost too coincidental

[@NuKim-ld1tw]

All the time! This has happened more than once but My husband and I were talking about a product with phones not actively on. A minute later he turns opens his phone to Facebook and there was an ad for the product we were talking about. It’s happening more and more. Like you get used to it

[@Brianchse]

If you have an Alexa or Google home or similar they are always listening for key words to push ads. This has been happening for years. Your phone, if on, will do the same. It's just an algorithm.

[@vandyred8354]

Every topic in line you hit on has been subject matter in my conversation for the last 2 or 3 weeks we're on the same page and I hope that you keep standing up like this

[@davidbohannon6087]

Absolutely man. They are listening in on conversations. They access the mic. They are trying to dismantle our country imo

[@VestigialHead]

@@davidbohannon6087 Ahh yes conspiracy nonsense. Nice misinformation. Learn how tech works mate.

[@geoffblevins977]

10:00 it should be called forget-me... NOT🗣️🤚

[@liamsparling]

Yay I always love Adam, and no agenda

[@srt4b]

ive got ants

[@aztec2281]

@@srt4b can i have some?

[@jakejake7162]

Surprised joe didn’t seriously think other social media companies are selling every bit of info that they can. They’ve been open about it for ages and have been called out on it by many people.

[@Anarchistarchitect]

Dude has been hypnotized by all the CIA agents on his show.

[@user-iy6ko1bz4y]

Joe is so stupid

[@CH3FFI3]

I can't tell when Joe is really a fool or when he's pretending. But sometimes he is definitely pretending.

[@timak74]

Almost like Snowden didn’t existed

[@CH3FFI3]

@@timak74 exactly. Some days I wonder if Rogan is a CIA stooge. Others are beginning to ask the same questions.

[@kennykwok]

Despite all social media do the same, one difference is that FB, Google and many other tech companies are banned in China but tiktok isnt. So why allow companies to enter your market when your cant do the same?

[@tw8644]

Wish it all got banned... it ruined our society....

[@jamestempleton4242]

Tic tok is also different in China because they don't want their people seeing the smut. Unless that's part of the smear campaign I guess.

[@christiancsq]

Other countries, their rules. Freedom of speech

[@anthonywarfield7348]

@@christiancsq your missing his point entirely or is your point to advocate because your a douche. Oh, and last time I checked China does not have freedom of speech

[@christiancsq]

@@anthonywarfield7348 I was saying America has freedom of speech. Which is why Chinese companies can operate in America.

[@GlobalZaza]

Dude is blinking faster than his thoughts 👁️👄👁️

[@pmo8135]

He has turrets or something I heard him on another episode explaining it

[@CVsnaredevil]

Adam is back! 😎

[@Tigerssavedme]

The real important thing here in this video that everyone is missing is the very rare Jamie sighting at 13:33

[@CantTellYou]

🤔 Anybody guess what Joe told Jamie not to let go on the screen? (at 12:10)

[@albertolopezadrados8282]

If you listen to No Agenda, you'll know the timing of 13:33 is no coincidence 🤣🤣

[@sullyschwartz2365]

Dude did not just try to compare Facebook to TikTok in terms of keeping track of people. That alone shows how little he actually knows of the situation, and for those who don't: TikTok doesn't just keep track of a lot of people. It also isn't just taking money away from silicon Valley lmao. What it is doing is *learning how you operate on an emotional level* so that it can *keep you on, most often stuck in a negative-feedback loop* while seeing nobody but the *prettiest and richest* of people doing simplistic 15 second dance trends. Compared to China, where it is recorded for the world to see how TikTok limits children's usage in China while only showing videos of people working hard, helping others, or science experiments. It is literally psychological warfare and I'm tired of this basic propaganda when we've had so much evidence for so long and are now getting studies further supporting the damage TikTok causes. This guy is a shill 100%

[@rickyb1980]

Facebook has the LIKE button which also conditions people. There are also stories about how FB does heavy tracking of users and non users alike. Im sure there are differences but in the end they are basically the same.

[@dank_productions94]

@@rickyb1980 But people with emotional intelligence simple do not interact.

[@rickyb1980]

@@dank_productions94 for stress levels this is a good option. Nothing said on line will sway anyones opinion. That doesnt change the fact that FB is involved in usage collection from non users as well. So even if you dont have any account they probably know plenty about you. Look up "FB tracks non users".

[@colewarner4954]

Ya you could replace TikTok with any other large social media platform there. The difference is in the US though there is fear of government overreach, it still nothing compared to what the CCP can and would do with that data

[@ryanmaupin818]

You literally just explained Facebook as well lol

[@00SingleSeven]

Adam Curry should have his own podcast

[@cindybee9270]

He does. He had Daily Source Code for a while. Then teamed up with John Dvorak for No Agenda.

[@nickleary1982]

Hahahahahah. Nice one

[@Damonm68]

Adam is the pod father

[@d0bsey]

He was one who pioneered the invention.

[@HappyG1lm0re]

The China threat with TikTok is real though. I get the argument about advertisement money loss, but don't ignore the China threat because of that.

[@fitch9782]

lol

[@joshuamaxie4082]

Exactly. It seems Adam Curry is missing a huge part of the issue with Tik Tok.

[@lennieleng9679]

But what it the china threat?

[@Zeus17x]

@@lennieleng9679 type “tik tok needs to be banned. Here’s why” on here and watch the video.

[@BartAssink]

Yes curry is back! I’m in!

[@futuregootecks]

Adam curry is always the best guest ❤🎉

[@Billkwando]

Because he's smart enough to bring Joe back every time he misunderstands where the conversation is going and jumps to the wrong conclusion. It's like Curry is trying to lead a toddler on a tear, running off in random directions.

[@xiaulhassan_]

Adam Curry is back

[@dertythegrower]

And not smart.

[@dertythegrower]

Rob Braxman tech would school Adam Curry on this... they are basically tracking more data than most see, because there is a veiled full persmissions page on the regular page.

[@harris7963]

People will give up their iPhone for TikTok?? LOL

[@dertythegrower]

No they will not, ha.

[@dertythegrower]

This guy is way off reality.. he is paranoid and I have a background in this field.

[@dertythegrower]

He is talking to us about things we learned many years ago, but is exaggerating for tiktok.. he must be invested and not a clue of the full permissions app page.

[@harris7963]

@@dertythegrower yea he lacks the software background to back up his claims. It’s much more reasonable for the US govt to be concerned about Chinese spyware than killing competition. KZbin Shorts, Instagram Reels, maybe Twitter Vine will catch up to TikTok’s media format. It’s not that complicated to emulate their app.

[@TrippyVillainSensei]

That’s the first time I’ve seen Jamie 🤣💪🏽💯

[@DannySullivanMusic]

Gonna have to watch this full podcast. Adam Curry always brings it when he's with Joe.

[@icanfartloud]

Sounds like Curry is a moron

[@sixupsprite5501]

Seems like he might have a few screws loose on the lines of logic that he takes though.

[@DannySullivanMusic]

@@sixupsprite5501 Certainly. And we all do to some extent. It's nice to hear peoples' perspectives and take from them what you can, while discarding the nonsense.

[@plmPissekatt]

@@sixupsprite5501 Eh more than half the time I've thought that myself the person has been at least half right about surveillance and draconian government bullshit. Adam is the loose nut in the No Agenda duo tho, no arguing against that. :D I don't think he's pure loony tho.

[@elvisgyaase6170]

Anybody missing some on Spotify ?

[@nuclearwinter391]

Adam Curry ? Aight, I have to download the whole episode.

[@aphysique]

Who is he? Enlighten us that aren't hip to whom he is, why is he of importance

[@nuclearwinter391]

@@aphysique He's the freaking podfather you buffoon.

[@isaworld6727]

@@aphysique nederlands

[@aphysique]

@@nuclearwinter391 he ain't da Podfader is he?? YOU MOMMA LUKE

[@KingMuld]

Best description of social media I’ve heard is “if the product is free you are the product”

[@LittleMopeHead]

I'm more worried about the mental issues that they are having on people. E.g. envy and thinking they do not look good, comparing to others, etc. The next decade or so will tell how many psychological issues will arise.

[@dertythegrower]

Bingo!

[@joosiekawk]

If TikTok was a US company no one would bat a damn eye LMAO and you know that FACTS

[@jedijooj]

Interesting take

[@slaybomb96]

No its not

[@pistolpete2803]

I have been feening out for JRE for the past couple days 😁

[@F80mthree]

I just squirted out of pure joy

[@mackn_tosh]

@@F80mthree prove it

[@wizkaqueefa9003]

Then you should probably get a life and some achievements instead of listening to what others have "achieved".

[@ETAisNOW]

@@mackn_tosh I can’t see the comment, prove what?

[@mackn_tosh]

@@ETAisNOW dude said he just squirted but I guess he deleted it.

[@reggieziet]

Adam Curry? Wow, havent heared from him since forever

[@mattzetts6501]

He's been on the pod several times over the last few years

[@GregDalbey]

Adam is a great guest, his podcast is No Agenda Show - top notch.

[@mikebuzz]

5th time on joe Rogan

[@toxichammertoe8696]

Man great point

[@kevinak-d1x]

People are going to lose their minds once tik tok is gone

[@derka_james]

Theyll forget about it in 30 seconds

[@cryptoesquire3168]

When something is free, you are the product.

[@snakejazz]

How does one platform just "take all the ad money" from another platform? I don't know what that means.

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

Users = revenue. Glad I could clear that up for you

[@RealMTBAddict]

@@maxwelljacobfreedom that's called capitalism

[@dontcare7086]

@@RealMTBAddict nobody said it wasn't and that is literally Adams argument. Tiktok can't lose to the competition so in Adams opinion silicon valley wants to take out the competition through legislation.

[@chubbbubb6870]

@@dontcare7086 AKA corporatism.

[@snakejazz]

@@maxwelljacobfreedom is tiktok "taking" users away from other platforms though? Most people I know either only use IG or they dabble in both. I don't know anyone who strictly uses TikTok.

[@sacramentofoodforest]

Finally someone says it

[@TeSolycMandalor]

The American TikTok algorithms pushes degeneracy while the Chinese algorithm pushes prosperity.

[@FivesX3]

🧢😭😭😭

[@FivesX3]

All the algorithms push exactly what you want. Nothing more or less. Tik Tok’s is just the best at knowing what you want

[@Bob_Smith19]

Just like fentanyl, the CCP is using it as a tool to destabilize the USA.

[@norimjim]

All social media just needs to be taken down already. It just spoils the mind too much.

[@hew195050]

Then everything on the planet would have to be destroyed because people are addicted to and allow themselves to be abused by most everything.

[@philgiordano7715]

I haven’t checked recently and I don’t use TikTok, but at the time when the original ‘TikTok is bad because of China’s control and access to our data’ TikTok has very little advertising bc advertising is annoying and affects the user experience negatively. What TikTok was after was the data which was more valueable than ad revenue. Asia is notorious for subsidizing things and taking an initial financial hit, but making up for it in the aggregate

[@sandylynn7343]

Have you seen “Joe Rogan asks Elon Musk HARD Questions about Cobalt Mining for TESLA Batteries!”

[@jessienameles5063]

like adam because im a dutchman and he know a lot of this . i don,t have a acount on tiktok but my phone keeps on bling tring and i can,t watch the sht only with subscribe?. i don,t care but this is how powerful they are. he,s right to get a old phone or 1 they can not screen !!!!!!!!!

[@alanfernandez854]

No, this guy just lied. Tik Tok is far more invasive, by far. Just making things up like he's an expert. He's no expert and I hope you watch Joe Rogan and research. He has some quacks on.

[@zaca211]

2:30. In relation to what they say about the keystrokes. On Windows 10 and newer, when you sign into a Microsoft account to use the computer, ALL of your information is handed over to them on a silver platter. All of your keystrokes, visited websites, files opened, applications ran, location, etc. Run wireguard on a fresh Windows 10 install and you will be surprised at the amount of data that is sent.

[@Tealdragon204]

This is why I'm making the switch to Linux

[@ImNotWrongBruh_on_X]

It's really ignorant to take this at face value especially for Joe Rogan. I'm sure that's a part of it, however when it comes to the content they share with our youth and their own, is entirely different. Has a different effect on growing minds.

[@bryanfong1023]

bro, no one watches educational content in america. Its not tiktok's fault. Thats what Americans want, tiktok japan and tiktok s korea is not much different from tiktok china bc they have similar taste and similar culture. You cannot blame china when american tv creates reality shows like jersey shore, the kardashians, jackass, etc..

[@jaysonkoehler9035]

Yes, China manipulates the algorithms to influence America's youth.

[@bryanfong1023]

@@jaysonkoehler9035 if they did, they would never be successful in America. Tiktok thrives bc it is tailor to each user. Your tiktok and my tiktok are pretty different

[@jaysonkoehler9035]

@@bryanfong1023 why not? Do American kids not like building things and succeeding academically? Is that only the Chinese?

[@bryanfong1023]

​@@jaysonkoehler9035 Maybe bc they grew up their parents watching jersey shore, the kardashians and jackass? Or are those also china's fault?

[@cb86258]

It’s a different country my guy. This isn’t just privacy. It’s a communist nation. It’s totally a diff beast

[@logankowalyk2580]

I cant believe joe doesnt think fb, instagram, twitter already track literally everything you do

[@cooljay2161]

He knows that, but it’s our own government not china that’s the difference

[@juanchocostone]

@@cooljay2161 exactly US monitors all communications. China monitors all tik tok data

[@logankowalyk2580]

@@cooljay2161 he literally asks in this video if adam really thinks they are doing the same thing

[@rsaggar]

He asked if they are as invasive. Even if they are, not shared with China. I do business with people in China. They don't trust the government and I won't either

[@cloudstrife4897]

Joe is actually quite gullible on many issues

[@Strive-101]

People were saying that Facebook was ran by the government long ago. It’s a profiling system that people put their own information into. Who would’ve thought people would volunteer to give the government all the information they need about themselves😂

[@temite80]

This guy really puts the Tik in TikTok...

[@emmettwalsh6901]

😂Thank you, I just couldn't get my brain to tie the joke together. You've won the Internet today my friend! 🎉🎊🎂

[@Dats_Mark]

It's not ONLY one thing or the other. TikTok can be both a national security risk that may need to be banned AND it can eat Silicone Valley's lunch and take all their ad money.

[@ThePatrickakes]

Thank you

[@Psylliumhuskie]

Adam’s segment on God was profound. 🙏🛐🙏

[@uninformedopinion1668]

I had TikTok for about 15 minutes. I got irritated that there was like no home page and videos start automatically playing. Haven't touched it since. Apparently it's caused quite the fuss !

[@Myrdoc]

Biden should've never lifted Trumps ban on Tik Tok, but it is typical incompetence as usual from the Brandon Admin.

[@doraemon402]

TikTok wasn't banned under Trump, that's dumb

[@Skidward420]

Which would be more shocking finding out that administration is just this incompetent or a secret group creates the perfect antagonist for the face of the nation

[@Psychonautical89]

Yeah it's money AND Chinese control, doofus.

[@thesecondslim]

Everytime I think about tik tok I'm reminded of the book 1984 where orwell talks about kaleidoscopes with crappy short novels and porn that people would shuffle through at random for fun.

[@DailyCorvid]

Orwell was like JK Rowling is at the moment. Great people with great stories but retarded when it comes to politics.

[@prithvi1225]

He has a good point 🫠🤔

[@jodystapleton7409]

Joe is a Beast

[@InnerSanctum77]

Every time I witness someone scrolling TikTok videos I think of the people in Idiocracy sitting in their entertainment chairs totally numb & drooling.

[@derka_james]

Go away, baitin'