Mythbusting | Do Heavier Aircraft Dive Better Than Lighter Aircraft?

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In this video we shed light on the popular myth that heavy aircraft dive better than light aircraft, which is a frequent complaint said by US players who get caught in their dive by light Japanese aircraft. Will this myth be busted?
My longest technical video yet with loads of G R A P H S, I hope you learn something and enjoy!
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[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Feel free to suggest ideas for future educational videos! Stay useful.

[@Darktotaled]

i knew it was a myth the moment i first took my Hayabusa Otsu for a ride

[@Darktotaled]

btw, can you talk about the Squadron Vehicle Firecrest?

[@sulphurous2656]

Perhaps testing the P-51Ds rudder lock and handling at combat speed that have been noticed as being 'off' on the current FM?

[@jmirsp4z]

fighting at very high altitudes... there has never been a proper guide about it. probably because it rarely happens but it would be interesting anyway..

[@messerschmittbolkow5606]

What do you as an engineer think about the Ju288 in general? This plane could carry almost as much as a B29, could divebomb almost as good as a Ju87 and was faster then a Mosquito. Its just an example, maybe you once in a while could make a video about a plane you personally like and explain things that made it so special.

[@unocualqu1era]

Lol'd at the 737 MAX being in the graphic for dive angles

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hahaha I did as well!

[@aleksanderlenartowicz5659]

@Zero Fun MAX did not exist in 2001

[@rainsilent]

"See you in your dreams." Uhh... Adam, you're frightening the children.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I told COPPA that this video wasn't for children.

[@rainsilent]

Doesn't mean that they still don't watch.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

No longer my problem in that case ;). Worst case scenario is me showing them graphs in their sleep.

[@lolbosss]

I slept then had a nightmare of that man

[@wustengeist1791]

@@AdamTheEnginerd oh no! not the graphs xD

[@tylermartin9553]

MATLAB: an engineers best friend and a computer scientists worst nightmare

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Lmao CS don't have to use it if they don't want to!

[@thisconnectd]

@@AdamTheEnginerd CS student here, used gnu octave for few of my math classes (honestly just used C myself)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@thisconnectd Don't know what gnu octave is haha. 95% of my programming time has been on Matlab.

[@setesh1294]

@@AdamTheEnginerd gnu octave is essentially a free, open source Matlab.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@setesh1294 Oh, sounds interesting.

[@photon9565]

"See you in your dreams " -Oh, not again please.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Your dreams of me aren't pleasant?

[@EdgeR2]

"Cya in your dreams" It's time to hold J in my dreams as well

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Nah, fight!

[@TheDorac1]

A suggestion for another vid would be something like this - but zoom climbing vs shallow climbing. Same planes. An idea. Thanks for this vid!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It would actually mimic the same tendencies as this video haha.

[@pills-]

Ending the video about diving with that Fw190 diving on you triggers my anger over unresolved plot points in shows :D

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Haha nothing special happened ;), plus the video is about aircraft performance!

[@user-ox3ss3he9c]

"Cya in your dreams" Creepy

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I prefer the term endearing.

[@ngstigator]

who doesn't dream of graphs?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@ngstigator Bunny girl.

[@user-ox3ss3he9c]

@@AdamTheEnginerd haha

[@shawnw1291]

Well researched information Adam! Anyways,I would love to see more German matches,especially Bf109s ;)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! They are on my list!

[@shawnw1291]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Nice to hear that ;)

[@sabenconte3559]

Please dont. Axis teams dont need any more good players

[@migmindy]

these videos makin me realize why I care about warthunder. It's a beautiful simulation. It's not perfect to reality, but it's detailed and thought out and if you know the game well you can use that to your advantage. it's nice. why its such a shame it feels sorta neglected. at its best moments, it's a really fun and engaging experience.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Well said! WT is a high quality game, with a few bad mechanics.

[@wustengeist1791]

"stay useful" >me crying my life's bad decision

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Do your best!

[@StuckInSilverCS]

This is like a physics lab on kinematics, force, and energy explained to people who have not leaned physics.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hmm I aim for it to be understandable by people who have passed high school physics.

[@Vidhur]

I love seeing how much you have improved in the voice department in a few months Adam, very good video too. Your content keeps getting better.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! Interestingly I get less and less comments about my voice!

[@Vidhur]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Probably because people don't notice anymore. You're doing great and your research is very well appreciated. I still think your gameplay analysis should say the focus of your channel, but that's me personally, it's because I love the dissection of every turn, every dive and every shot, why it's good or bad. That's what made me subscribe to your channel at least. I learned more about WT through your videos than any time I have played.

[@charlescourtwright2229]

for me the 2 biggest factors for how well a plane dives is how badly it locks up, handles at high speed, and how much much g forces can the plane take for pulling out

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I consider that in a separate category called "high speed handling". This video is about dive speeds and acceleration, and which aircraft would escape or catch the other in a dive.

[@iaingillies9342]

Love the direction the channel has gone, Adam! Always watched your channel for the engineering and physics you were able to pull out of the game (props to the dev team for the depths they go to - even if the FMs aren't always accurate.) Have definitely used the 109 prop pitch air brake many a time lol. Also I am liking the CF-105 logo!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! These kinds of videos are ones I prefer making, but they do take a massive amount of time!

[@iaingillies9342]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Just know that you have the Adam514 Stans out here who appreciate it. Add me on WT - WULVER

[@mohammadmohd113]

been wondering about this for years. never got a satisfying answer. thanks for all the work you do, cheers

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure!

[@cookiecracker2]

Hey man, I just wanna thank you for all your videos especially the f4u ones! I hate that plane (except for the usmc on) for the longest time, and then when I came across your videos I realized I really didnt understand some mechanics, and now my games are getting better and I'm understanding why I died. So thanks a lot adam! Keep up the great videos!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Yeah some of the F4Us are truly good. My pleasure! I will!

[@lukefrombk]

Thanks Adam a great quality video as usual! Very interesting to watch : )!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure, glad you found it interesting!

[@toomi195]

Scary how much work you put into such videos! Waiting 2 weeks was worth it, keep it up 👍

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Scary in a good way I hope! Thanks, I will!

[@jdreyes3745]

Guess we got a new commandment for Adam's Ten Commandments: Never dive straight down.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hmm certainly not the whole way down. Good rule of thumb is to head almost directly away from the enemy's direction.

[@tianyizhang2205]

Lemme see some War Thunder videos after school. Sees Matlab.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hahaha PTSD?

[@patriot4048]

Great video Adam, one must appreciate the amount of work you put in,in these kind of videos anyways im still waiting for that FW 190A video :D

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! It's a lot of work indeed! Fw190A is on my list!

[@TheDorac1]

Really awesome vid!! Thanks Adam!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks, my pleasure!

[@THENOOBLEGACYTEAM]

Thanks a lot Adam! These videos are full of information and prove really useful for the everyday player. You put a lot of work on it, and its really cool, again, thanks a lot! (Its not like i will be constantly reminding myself of these everytime i play, so that i perform better, but serves as a nice curiosity, and a tool that i might use when i feel like it, you know, casually... :D)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure! Yeah I worked on this for at least 30 hours. The conclusions are easy and intuitive to remember, as well as how to dive without getting caught (minimizing dodges, diving early enough).

[@sulphurous2656]

Before watching I'm going to automatically state my assumption the Japanese still greatly outdive everything.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Was that assumption correct?

[@stefanmichaelsenzegarra5688]

@@AdamTheEnginerd yes, acceleration and turn rate are the most important thing in the actual War Thunder Air RB Match up, Axis wins most battles because of this, also because of the Bomber and Ground Pounder spam. You already know this brother

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Well no it wasn't correct, this video proves it! Axis don't win because of better fighters, they win because they have less useless planes, and even some of their bombers aren't too useless (Ju288).

[@sulphurous2656]

@@AdamTheEnginerdThat's also why mixed games tend fare well for the Axis. Germany, Italy, and Japan all in one team essentially can do anything. Aside from the perceived Axis superiority in composition, exaggerated propeller/engine thrust, You ought to mention MG151's being unrealistically powerful relative to other 20mm autocannons for a while now. And the painfully obvious reality of legacy BRs, outdated FMs, bugged armament, and just general incompetence on the side of allied teams as of late.

[@KevinMacku]

So the answer is "technically no, but practically yes", because Japanese planes will tend to have a higher energy advantage at the onset of the dive, giving the illusion that they're "outdiving" the US aircraft when in reality, they'd gotten to their target altitude and increased their speed first, and the acceleration advantage of heavier aircraft doesn't have enough time to kick in and translate into speed, and then again into distance. This isn't better dive performance, but better dive positioning, which *looks* like better dive performance, and results in the average US pilot being caught in the dive.

[@major_kukri2430]

This was an excellent analysis. I learned so much. Thanks I wish I knew more of this technical stuff

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure, glad to hear it! 1 technical video per month!

[@Blitzcreeper239]

Damn great video, the graphs really help with the understanding of certain concepts, and I didn't expect to be able to learn so much from this considering most things you read online about diving is pretty much a TLDR(W?) of your video "light dives better than heavy at the start of the dive" . Thank you for the effort put into the video!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! Yeah I went in depth here! Could have gone even further in depth, but already this is a 13 minute video. My pleasure!

[@cannonfodder4376]

"Let's MCAS right into it" and that 737 MAX dive angle representation 😂🤣 All explains what I have known. Once the heavy Thunderbolts and 190's get to the high dive speeds that's when they are untouchable, but until then... well even a Zero will have fun with them. Really puts a damper on the BnZ fighters. Good and informative stuff.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Haha yes! Thanks!

[@StealthySparky]

Cannonfodder43, still with the 190's I see ^^ Yeah great video

[@keith_c]

Love it, good job Adam 👍🏼🍻

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks!

[@onyourkilllist6880]

*_Very interesting stuff!_*

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I agree!

[@stepansatan6958]

Hey dude! You'r doing a greate job, not many youtubers are so "deep" in this game so keep up the good work! All right, I got a proposition for you. I think many people know about localhost thing and In particular, I was there looking only for IAS and TAS to have them at a same time and i was shocked by the amount of numbers in there. So maybe you can help people understand and use, if not all, then the most important quantities. Big thanks anyway!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks, I will! Yeah local host has pretty much every info you'd need. People who don't know what most of the numbers are aren't the ones who are going to use the local host though.

[@Kartushka69]

Keep those graph videos coming!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I will!

[@superduperotter3232]

Thank you for this very helpfull piece.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure!

[@MarshalBeard]

Absolutely love your videos Adam, this one was very informative and I've often thought about this over many years of playing the game. You've confirmed what i've suspected for many years. I have a question for you, do you edit your WT map chrome plugin into your videos or have you found a way to overlay it into your actual game? Thanks, keep up the good content!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks for the love! It's indeed a relevant topic! Yeah I record it on my laptop next to me and combine during editing. There are ways to overlay it, but I've never done it. Alternatively, check out "Void Mei" on the WT forum for an easy overlay. My pleasure, I will!

[@MarshalBeard]

@@AdamTheEnginerd WOW!!! That is amazing! Thanks so much for the suggestion, that's exactly what I was looking for. Absolutely essential for me to have my power/thrust, ias AND speed, and climb rate to judge my next move... You're the best!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure! I'm not the author of that program though just to be clear!

[@theozonloch]

nice video👍 Love these new technical education videos

[@shadowaffles]

I love you

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! Same kind of thing as I did before, but a bit longer!

[@theozonloch]

Indeed, but now there is your voice instead of text

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I've always done voice in my technical videos though.

[@theozonloch]

Oh, really 😅

[@Azzarii]

I literally saw the conversation about this on the Discord server. Great video as always, too!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I've been planning to make a video on this topic for over 2 years though!

[@Azzarii]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Damn, does making a physics video take that long, or did you just have more important things to do first?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It takes many hours, but that's not the reason for why it was released today. I just had other things to do first.

[@Azzarii]

I see

[@StealthySparky]

So if I understood well it's like inertia, it's easier for the heavy aircraft to keep it's speed/energy state once it has reached it but it's a bit harder for it to reach it compared to ligher aircraft with better acceleration, right ? (provided only friction forces are applied) 7:50 yeah most players don't understand that time is a crucial part of Air RB, the most obvious case being when climbing : the longer you climb the higher you get and the bigger your "energy reserve" gets (without taking account the situation of course). 8:40 conclusion : stop diving to the deck like a mad man, just shallow dive like a boss ^^

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Pretty much, heavier means it'll take longer to reach your top speed, but you'll continue accelerating better than a lighter but otherwise identical aircraft. Yup, takes 200 seconds for an aircraft with 5m/s climb rate advantage to get 1km altitude advantage over the enemy.

[@kleinerprinz99]

However energy retention is different for different planes because of many other factors. A plane like p47d cannot deviate too much from linear and shallow flight path otherwise it will bleed too much energy. While other planes can maintain high energy state while flying loopings etc.

[@carmie8329]

Super important to know if u wanna live, thanks for uploading. Well done!!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Indeed, thanks!

[@voidex136]

I watched quite a few of your combat videos and I must admit that your aim is godlike. I do worse in arcade with leading marker ^^. I know its all about practice, but maybe you release some guide/tips how to get better? And what about practice in arcade with marker off or better to get better aim straight in RB? PS. I really enjoy your understanding of battles, enemy weakness and strengths, how to use your plans and all those 1 vs X battles. Never saw such great skill.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! I wouldn't know how to make a video on how to aim. Watch what I do, don't be greedy, try to predict what the enemy will do based on his plane, your plane, and the situation (altitude, energy, teammates, enemies). You are better off learning to aim in RB.

[@FilipusWisnumurti]

Idk why i laughed so hard when you said "let's MCAS right into it" XDDDD Are you referencing the 737MAX? lol

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hahaha of course! I laughed hard as well!

[@projenitor2387]

Thank you FOR MAKING THESE!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure!

[@projenitor2387]

@@AdamTheEnginerd This partially explains why american planes are so good at shallow dives, and shallow climbs against their competitors.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Which is linked to their higher top speed, indeed.

[@projenitor2387]

@@AdamTheEnginerd I enjoy watching people freak out and dive, when a target gets near them.... Welp you just blew your entire game with one bad decision.

[@partydeer1640]

Never considered this before. Great video! Any tips for playing a stock Ta 152 H1?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! Stay close to your team, maybe kill a bomber while climbing. I've got a relatively recent Ta152H video.

[@medic6039]

maybe review the prem j2m5? very under-tiered plane with amazing guns

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I don't have it unfortunately.

[@jonathanbaker8593]

Unemployed Goose Absolutely love that plane

[@dsnielsen7564]

good video. and its nice to know why i die in a dive and how to impruve.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! Indeed!

[@TheJudge2017]

Next test idea? Do American planes like the P-47s and P-51Ds really turn better at high speed, or do other planes just turn worse at high speed.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

They'll turn relatively better than their competition, as in they'll conserve the same turn radius over a bigger speed range than most other aircraft.

[@shaggydog8226]

Adam! Do a video on stall fighting manuevers in Sim, or at least how to get out of a flat spin after turning to fast. Not having an instructor can lead to some very interesting flying lol

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Perhaps I'll play sim one day.

[@shaggydog8226]

@@AdamTheEnginerd if you ever do I would start in combined battles, tanks in sim are super suspenseful because you don't know where anybody is and your hearing shots going off all over the place, and you get 1 plane automatically so you could take out a fighter in a very target rich environment

[@g-low6365]

finally someone did it. ive been saying that weight doesnt matter. gravity is the same for every body in earth. Acceleration differences occur just because aerodynamics.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

The drag to weight ratio matters though! More weight helps accelerate past the level flight top speed of the aircraft.

[@kleinerprinz99]

@@AdamTheEnginerd maybe you should talk about mass. the higher mass is important. weight is just a function of gravity that acts on a mass. power to weight ratio is also important. all the different drags applied act differently if you have a heavier or lighter airplance comparatively. Since not only earth gravity is always apply acceleration onto a body of mass, in case of prop airplanes the engine and propeller apply their own acceleration on your body of mass.

[@Tacticaviator7]

Late reply but if what you are saying is true then why does a feather fall slower than a brick ? (as long as it's not in a vaccum) Don't tell me it's because of the aerodynamics, I'm pretty sure a brick would create more air resistance if it had the same weight as the feather. Mass of the object won't increase the gravitational acceleration but it will decrease the effect that the air resistance has on an object.

[@dorbomer8835]

What´s your source for the P47D Flat plate area? Because I highly doubt that it´s only 0,5m^2 higher than the zeros.

[@budweiser.pie62]

Adam would you like to make a video on working with the I-225's radiator? It overheats so quickly and MEC seems difficult to fix that problem since it interferes with the engine's high alt performance.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

You need to adjust mixture to keep it performaing at high alt. Reduce prop pitch to 80-90 will help cooling a lot with not much loss of power.

[@budweiser.pie62]

@@AdamTheEnginerdI've just given it a try, and IT WORKS. Thank you so much Adam, you are great.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@budweiser.pie62 My pleasure!

[@johnnymitchell3829]

Adam,could you create a guide on aiming in air rb? I can never get thoes guns on target like you do.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I wouldn't know how to make a video on aiming though.

[@mockingbird0901]

As expected. Good video for those that don't know =)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks!

[@wissamalzeer1330]

hello first time i watch a video from you and already loved your work!!! matlab is one of the programming languages that i've been studing for few years in collage can you do any video talking about the simulation thing alone? "how to simulate a war thunder physics using matlab: already subed btw

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks, and welcome! Yeah perhaps I'll make a video about simulations. Maybe it can go on my 2nd channel.

[@wissamalzeer1330]

@@AdamTheEnginerd i'll sub there too waiting for your video thank you

[@arandomtank85]

Can you play with the Me 262 Squad vehicle? I'm going to unlock it in 2 weeks, and i don't know if it is a good airplane for realistic air battles. Ty

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I don't have it unfortunately.

[@pilotjethrow1475]

Yo man, you ever do sim stuff in WY? Maybe one day a video on Mach tuck and how it effects certain aircraft differently? I've been effected heavily in the Mig-19 models, and the P-38s, in sim and it would be helpful if there was like a trimming guide or a way to smooth the transition into mach. I think I'm wording this correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah, just a suggestion.

[@chris_hisss]

Great points, and it does dispel the confusion over a statement like dives well, as many will assume that is what it means. I always had thought when they say a good diver, pilots are speaking about energy retention through a dive rather than acceleration, as even while diving you wouldn't have better acceleration than when you are in level flight, given more mass and most likely more drag, which like you mentioned bombers suffer from. So with a 109 it is a pretty decent diver, because of low drag and good power to weight, however it would be faster to decel to normal air speed than a heavier aircraft, which is certainly useful to know in something like a p-51 chasing one. There being other factors like the laminar flow wings on the 51, which create less drag than the 109's wings, and therefore are better at high speed. Because of this drag issue and wing geometry issue, I doubt that the P-47 is able to retain the energy longer, despite being very heavy. Plus the radial open front engine is always such a drag!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Bf109s aren't low drag, they'd have average drag for their weight. And P47s have a low drag/mass ratio so they do retain energy past their top speed well. P47s just aren't too good at low altitude so at the end of a dive you're low and that's not where P47s are best.

[@chris_hisss]

@@AdamTheEnginerd So do you think that is what is generally referred to as a good diver is referring to?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I explain it in the video, but it's mainly dive acceleration and top speed.

[@chris_hisss]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Yeah, you said that based on your assumption that what people refer to as makes a good diver are those two things, but I never heard that is what that meant at all. Is it possible maybe you misunderstood what is meant by a good diving plane as well? I mean certainly terms are often morphed and misused over time, it really just depends on who you ask, right? Albeit I am not certain when it is that I came to understand what constituted a good diver as being good, other than energy retention, combined with top end acceleration combined with lower drag. I might like to credit Long5hot, Jengar, GRIMLZ, perhaps Magz, always been a student, though certainly am rusty in this terminology. For instance you really wouldn't call the 190H a good diver, considering the wingspan of that beast, creating tremendous drag that would eat away at the other advantageous features of accel, correct? In essence, like suggested, just thinking perhaps you could make a part two if warranted on what makes a good diving plane, if based on the aforementioned characteristics. Perhaps even getting other educational youtubers input on what they had heard that it is vs what they thought.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@chris_hisss People don't know what they mean when they talk about dive. The main aspect of dive is dive acceleration, which is why this video was mainly on dive acceleration and not the various other factors that surround dive. Ta152H would dive averagely. Long wings don't make it very draggy. It has average P/W and average drag, so it dives averagely for its BR. Again, dive acceleration is the main aspect of dive performance. This video dealt with it deeply. I consider high speed maneuverability to be separate from dive performance for the record.

[@vasekkavalir1328]

Hey, love your vids...do you ever think about video "how to dodge headon"? I always do the same as you (shoot and dodge) but many times i got hit or worse...on the lower rank unfornutanely is usual that enemies want to headon and not to dogfight and i hate it...because if i am forced to commit i dont know ho to dodge or avoid the headon...thanks ;)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks for the love! I did a video on merges, you should mimic what I do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGfTo6CJj5eXp9E

[@Appppy]

Hey. Saw your tempest mk2 spaded video and came here. My question: Why do longer chases against better diving props, translate to bigger *energy* difference? Unless I can climb back to altitude, I wouldn't have built up energy difference right?!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

You can get a bigger energy difference if the worse diving plane loses energy (lower speed gain per altitude if you prefer) than the better diving plane.

[@diogomatos9718]

Adam a question, what software do you use to get the math and stats for these videos? I can see you use MATLAB but where do you get the information about masses, trust and in general the information about the planes' flight model and performance?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I follow these instructions to get read the flight model files: www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/8nq70p/tutorial_how_to_datamine_or_how_i_learned_to_stop/ You need some understanding of what to look for and what coefficients do what to do any meaningful work with them.

[@manofbias8113]

maybe you could make a historical video about an event in world war II but include specific technical information on the aircraft involved in the battle and how the pilots used or misused their aircraft within the battle i think it would be very interesting to hear about but the actual historical events of the war along side detailed technical information on the aircraft used such as the Battle of Britain and how the Luftwaffe and the RAF fought one another using their aircraft to their advantage or how they misused them either way, love your vids

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I'll consider it! Thanks for the support!

[@TheCorvairGuy]

Maximize wing loading to just the point before it causes control anomalies. You want as much linear energy retention as possible to help climb out of the dive.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Yup that would be best for dive and LER, but sacrifices turn performance and takeoff/landing performance, which can be important.

[@katsu4203]

I'm curious about your graphics and post-FX settings (I'm watching the video well :)

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Normal post FX, around medium settings.

[@thesnazzycomet]

In the thumbnail it looks like one of the p47s wings is longer than the other and it’s really bugging me

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hahaha it's called perspective!

[@gemini_1085]

omg he uses matlab lol. I can smell the engineer from a mile away, excellent video man!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Haha thanks man!

[@AzureanSky]

Hey Adam, just reached 8.0 by unlocking the F-86A-5. I was wondering if you do a video on what to do for it as i don't know what to do to fly better except using the F-84B flying style and I'm going through the stock grind. If there is any special tips please inform me and I am still trying to figure out how to kill G91s, Swifts and Hunters.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I am avoiding jets for the foreseeable future. General tips such as keep your speed up, keep looking around you and don't focus on 1 target are a good base.

[@isharveerdhillon8348]

have you tried the do-335 a-0? i really know how to use it

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I have. I'd recommend the one with the 20mm, not the 15mm.

[@dtbeagle]

The "See you in your dreams"... Is that a threat?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It can be interpreted however you want ;).

[@sinani210]

Do you answer every comment? Cause that's dedication.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Except the really stupid ones sometimes.

[@pedrosabino8751]

Thanks for the video, I always had this doubt.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure! Hope you don't have any more doubts!

[@pedrosabino8751]

@@AdamTheEnginerd A few months ago I wanted to be an aeronautical engineer, but here in Brazil it is very difficult to be, you literally have to study while shitting. Research about "ITA" (Aeronautical Technological Institute), it is the most difficult university course in the country and one of the best and most difficult universities in Latin America.

[@pedrosabino8751]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Have only 60 vacancies for the year of 2021.

[@pedrosabino8751]

@@AdamTheEnginerd But I still have so much interest in aviation.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

@@pedrosabino8751 It's certainly a difficult degree! You need to evaluate if you'll regret not trying.

[@SophiFike]

Ouch, the 737 graph stung. Fair play though. -737 builder

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Hahaha are you truly a 737 builder?

[@SophiFike]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Indeed

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Nice, 737 is quite a popular aircraft even in mainstream media nowadays.

[@zujiahuang8454]

It's interesting the speed where the accleration curve of P-47 crosses that of the Zero is almost the same no matter the diving angle. This point is also where the P-47 starts to gain energy faster than the Zero. Also, the aircraft's top level speed is where it starts to lose energy. Therefore I guess it's not wise to dive past your own top speed but instead you should accelerate just enough so you're gaining energy faster than the enemy (or you're gaining while he's losing) and use that to reverse the initial energy advantage he has. Diving is only a faster way of accelerating. Ultimately, it only works when you're heavier but your top speed is higher.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Yup, a dive is not much different from going straight!

[@PLPawkoW]

Are there plans for MiG-21MF/SMT gameplay?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Not really, I'm avoiding top tier.

[@aircombatmaneuvers]

Engine power and Drag to weight ratio is the key. If two planes are equal aerodinamically When both planes are diving air and friction needs to excert more force on a a heavier plane to stop its acceleration beyong gravity. Force=mass x acceleration : its simple, if that friction opposing force can me diminished by better aerodynamics or better forward propulsion engine force youll dive faster than a heavier plane (fighter vs bomber). If your plane is a brick with huge drag no matter how heavy it is a lighter more aerodynamic one will catch you. In a void no matter the weight every object dive the same. So in air is all as you said a matter of weight to drag ratio and engine acceleration. In ww2 it was wellknown that no German piston-engined plane could outdive the Thunderbolt.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Precisely (beyond a certain speed for the P47 outdive part that is).

[@spaceability9035]

How do you find the weight of aircraft in game?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

In the flight model data files.

[@silience4095]

Before watching; My hypothesis is: Given equal drag force and engine power, heavier aircraft will *accelerate* faster, and the difference is greater at high speeds, as their gravitational force is stronger.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Only when above their top speed!

[@ChristopherJGomez27]

Dude what’s your targeting distance usually set to? I normally use 600

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It's in the description of my videos where I use guns ;). 600m is too high, 75%+ of your kills are below 600m. I used to do 400m, now I'll be staying at 500m.

[@ChristopherJGomez27]

Cool man. I’ve been wondering for a while. I got used to 600. However I’ve been realizing that the only time its truly useful is when people are Running or when a head on happens

[@lepton_01]

Flaming B737MAX

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I do what is necessary.

[@ArtietheArchon]

I feel like a true apples to apples test would be the same plane against itself but with minimum fuel and maximum fuel

[@doch.8039]

UwU nice maths and good graphs Good memes too

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks! I try!

[@robertmuffin3202]

Adam what does the magneto in MEC do? Is it important?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Controls how many igniters are being used. Leave it auto and you'll get best performance.

[@robertmuffin3202]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Ok thank you

[@ignasanchezl]

You know, I never did the math, cause I have no idea how to, but my theoretical conclusion was the same, light aircraft beat a dive from stall speed, while aircraft that are already limited by drag, are pushed faster by thier weight.

[@ignasanchezl]

Meaning that "denser" aircraft have a small advantage at extreme speeds.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Pretty much!

[@me876]

Adam, could you maybe make a video about the me262a1/u4 (the narwhal). I would love to see it with your aim

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It's on my list!

[@me876]

AdamTheEnginerd already looking forward to it!

[@Alpakinator]

Hmm, why 88% prop pitch on P47 D-25? Why not lower (between 75-80%)?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Higher is better at low speed, and power matters less and less as you speed up.

[@lemonzest8650]

F84 gameplay..? I never see any recent videos on the F84 Thunderjet. Would be neat to see one.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

It's on my list!

[@lemonzest8650]

:D

[@shrekrecker]

im having trouble playing air rb, i am just now getting into it (currently grinding the soviet tree with the p-63A-5) , I watch alot of informational air rb videos but everyone i fight against is soo much better, its basically smurfing. do you have time to play a couple games together? hopefully i can improve my air rb expirence with advice in game and what im doing wrong.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Sure, best bet is to join the Discord.

[@shrekrecker]

@@AdamTheEnginerd one more question, how do you brake while spooling up your engine? is it even possible in wt

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Prop pitch airbrake? I made a video on that.

[@shrekrecker]

@@AdamTheEnginerd no, with a jet engine. How would you keep the brakes on while going afterburner or 100%

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Oh, there's no need for that unless you're worried about a carrier take off. I don't have brake keys myself.

[@SkyBlue-lz2es]

I can't buy any camouflages of p51 d30..... I know this topic is pointless but I'd like to know why. I got p51d30 in order to buy its camouflage.......

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

No idea, I don't use that stuff.

[@SpetsnazCCCP]

Nice!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks!

[@arya0794]

Here since about 9k subs, I havent watched in month

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Oof.

[@ak1969]

Good stuff. Now, he worst premium they ask? It must be the LA11. Please take it out and try to make it work.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

La11 is fine at 5.3 imo. Typhoon is a much worse premium since the tech tree typhoon is significantly better.

[@ak1969]

@@AdamTheEnginerd Cheers mate. I just can't make it work for me. Just hoping to see, how you handle that "beast"....

[@Nikker468]

Very,very nice!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Thanks!

[@flamingrubys11]

Question do bombs and rockets affect this too or no?

[@willtrap4food698]

well they add weight like fuel does, so

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Yeah, they'll worsen dive all around except for internal bombs which will improve your dive above your top speed.

[@willtrap4food698]

you should be a physics teacher :p

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Haha maybe! But, I wouldn't be able to handle people who wouldn't care for the subject, so prob not a good idea.

[@BleedingUranium]

Thanks for this, this is really interesting! Also, another reason why I'm not a fan of US planes. :P

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

My pleasure! Because they dive worse at low speed and dive better at medium-high speeds?

[@BleedingUranium]

@@AdamTheEnginerd More so because they're not amazing enough in a dive or acceleration to offset their need for speed and lack of manoeuvrability. American planes are certainly good (a lot of the issue is my own skill level), but I've just always felt they're too restrictive in playstyle, yet when played well their advantages don't seem as strong as other types when those other types are played to their own strengths. It's a lot of why Russian fighters are my favourite in terms of playstyle and performance; they can face most any more specialized types. Basically, I like always "having options", and US planes tend to have the least options to get out of anything but an ideal situation. From my average skill and experience perspective, of course.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I do understand what you mean. US planes are the ones that benefit the most from teamplay.

[@SangsungMeansToCome]

@@AdamTheEnginerd But isn't that teamplay advantage neutralized if the opponents do teamplay too? "Get a team" is always the solution that is given when people debate why the axis always wins at some prop BRs.

[@Delantho]

@@SangsungMeansToCome US planes playing together will win over opponent's teamplay, as long as they climb correctly and maintain energy they will win via attrition of slowly splitting up and eliminating their opponents no matter the amount of teamplay. I have played many matches where it took just 2 decent p47 players to destroy a groups of german fighters working together at 5km+ alt

[@waffle-waffle5416]

it doesn't really matter whether your aircraft is diving better or worse as long as there's at least 2 second window where your planes and the enemy planes is under 500m you're dead if 1 bullet hits you cause if it's not impaired your aircraft performance most of the time you'll make a turn or maneuver out of reflex to dodge which bleeds your speed and further eliminate dive performance difference

[@kleinerprinz99]

I always misjudge enemies airplanes speed and energy level. For some reason in War Thunder its very hard to judge someones speed while in real life I see a car and I see a plane and I can get a timing right when and where it will be. It feels like cognitive dissonance like something is missing.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Distance is big so it's hard to get a sense of how fast they are approaching if you like at the plane itself. I look at the distance ticker, the faster it ticks the faster you both are going in a merge.

[@alistairevans8204]

My first game where i'm in the background of one of your videos. If i remember i went a out a flaming wreck from a 264 at the end.

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Oof, as long as it's the end. If you die to a bomber early, it's harsh for your team.

[@alistairevans8204]

It was right at the very end. 3 of us Vs 2 264’s I think. P63 shot down one near their airfield, I flamed the other but he managed to land whilst our P47 ground pounded and died to AAA.

[@LuizBarros99]

Nice outro song choice

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Been using it for a year ;).

[@lqr824]

11:30 but your enemy is going faster, and you dive straight down, he faces the risk of overspeeding prop, or losing control of his aircraft, so must break off, no? You probably have the same risks, but starting at a lower speed, you have probably more time before it's an issue, no? Also your illustration shows the Tempest simply nosing down into a dive. Isn't it faster to do a half-roll and end up pointed straight down?

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

An enemy on your 6 only needs to go slightly faster than you to catch you in a dive, it's unlikely that there's a big enough difference in plane Vmax to make diving after you dangerous enough, but there are a few exceptions. Depends how much you want to dive and what angle you're already pointing. If you just want to increase your dive by 30 degrees or less, no need to roll.

[@addera6306]

Please do something with the B-24, no on KZbin has featured it in the last few years!!

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

I refuse!

[@alphawolf1786]

Just avoid that plane

[@TimberDCS]

**Splash** AnD ThAT cONcLudEs THe diVe TEsT fOr tHE p47

[@AdamTheEnginerd]

Wat?