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[@VancityAudi]

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[@joesoap4515]

Stopped by to say, I truly appreciate this kind of vid and information. I love your factual data and numbers just don't lie. Again thanks for your hard work and keeping it real! Massive thumbs up bud.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much for the kind words and for your support!

[@highflysugar]

I miss my S4 but love my RS3.

[@AudiSportWagon]

Thanks for this info! I will have to replay it over and over to get a better understanding! Keep the content coming!

[@ogpunkbuster]

Great content!! For anybody stuck with 91 crap gas I highly recommend running e30... night n day difference on turbo cars!

[@VancityAudi]

I never recommend running that high a content because that is usually the MAX you'd want to run on an OEM fuel system. I always recommend to start at 10% ethanol and work your way up until you see all the corrections in timing gone.

[@ogpunkbuster]

@@VancityAudi oh I see, valid point e30 might not apply to all vehicles. In my experience of owing subaru wrx, 8v audi, and gti, with an e30 tune those cars are fine with stock fuel system. But it is better to double check with tuners.

[@jdmsi92]

Absolutely an excellent video. I don’t know how I missed this in the past. Info is exactly what I’ve been looking for👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching and I'm happy it helped!

[@ja.5763]

Wow. Thanks for the video. Now I understand what I have to do to improve my car .

[@VancityAudi]

No problem!

[@MikeFico998]

Last week I drive to NY to add 6 gallons of E85 (guaranteed to be E71 or higher) to a full tank of 93 (which already has up to 10% ethanol in NY). My overall tank estimation was somewhere around 30% eOH. I am running an APR DP+ tune. The car is an absolute ANIMAL, I cant believe the difference. I can only imagine what a proper fuel map for this blend would be like-

[@VancityAudi]

If you haven't logged your fuel trims this is very inadvisable. 30% is the absolute limit of the stock fueling system. I don't recommend anyone blend more than 20% when running pump gas tunes at a DP+ power level or else you can lean your motor out and cause it to blow the F up.

[@MrLIVELINESOLUTIONS]

Just did this for my M2 Comp and it runs way smoother. Good tip!

[@greatwhitenorth3717]

As a Vancouverite this should be a public service announcement!! Thanks Adam! Now Northside is going to have a shortage of e85 haha.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much! I wish I had a better way of sharing this with all the "so-called" performance car groups around the lower mainland that know nothing about this. Would be great to see some faster street cars around town.

[@AcetuningTVPerformance]

Thank you for this very informative video. That little kit is really cool. I have the same car with the same tune. What are your thoughts on using UPI 93 but with a 91 tune? I'm in Ontario

[@VancityAudi]

If you have 93 available, why not use the 93 tune? You may not be utilizing the 93 tune to its max potential but you'll be faster then the 91 tune on 93 fuel.

[@stevepryce6738]

Liking all your video. Thanks for posting the info.

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome. Thanks for watching

[@yuzzi_000]

😁perfect video content buddy👍

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@sergcool]

Here in California, Top Tier gas stations already have 10% ethanol content added to their premium gasoline.

[@VancityAudi]

They do, yes, but the octane of those fuels has already been made up of that included ethanol. By adding additional ethanol you will see improved performance. If you log your car you will see that you still are not achieving peak timing using that 91 octane fuel. At that point you can comfortably add another 5 to 10% ethanol on top of that and see all of the timing retardation be removed and get what you paid for out of your vehicle.

[@sherwinzn1]

Love this... Vid.... Very informative

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching

[@Mazzerants]

Shell 93 in my area of Jacksonville runs about E9 typically E10. Thinking of going to E40 on my dual pulley. SQ5

[@30YearOldBunta]

I use e85 to lean out wot from 11.6:1 to 12.3:1 on a stock tune and it's awesome

[@jester358]

Good video thanks for doing this

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks

[@cedricduval6898]

Hi bud ! First of all i just wanna say all your works and video are awesome man ! Great works ! My question is ...i got the same car as you rs3 2018 stage 2 unitronic 93 file and here in mtl quebec i find some c85 fuel from vp do you think it is fine and do you already heard something about this fuel c85 from vp vs e85 thanks ! ( sorry if my english was not perfect )😉👍

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for your support and no worries about your English. Mine sucks and it's the only language I speak! I'm honestly not too sure about the difference between C85 from VP and E85 from the pump. If you wanted to make sure it was okay to use, fire Unitronic an email or call them during business hours to ask their thoughts.

[@SleeperVersus]

It’s even better , go for it ! You wont regret it

[@rosstboss83]

C85 is fine, the petroleum element is 'race gas' rather that the usual 85-87 crap they blend into pump E85. So you'd actually increase the gasoline blend octane too for increased effect. I blend E98 as we don't get E85 at the pump here and it's alot cheaper with good results. It's great to see data backed analysis to help us go faster, good vid Adam!

[@alekseynoga5942]

I have a '13 Q7 with JHM stage 2+ ECU/TCU tune running their 207mm crank pulley and heat exchanger. I have a 24 gallon tank and use 92 Octane here in WA state. Can I add a couple of gallons of E85 to the full tank of gas on the stock fuel system to get any benefits?

[@VancityAudi]

Absolutely you can! You can run a 93 octane tune on an E15 to E20 blend and make a bunch more power. Just datalog your car once you've added more ethanol to make sure your fuel system can keep up.

[@AdHominem888]

Nice vid as always. Here in Brazil we got 87 AKI, 91 AKI AND 97 AKI gas, 87 and 91 with e27 and 97 gas with e25.. My question is, it would be OK to fill a stage 2 3.0 tfsi with 87 e27 gas (as some areas the 91 and 97 isn’t avaiable)? Or it would eventually damage the engine? Thanks

[@VancityAudi]

I would blend down the E25 gas by adding it to the lower octane fuel. Get it to around E10 and then data log your car to see how it is running.

[@musc2002]

Great stuff as always! 🌽🌽🌽

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@TheCvshaft]

Is this always safe to do? I read unitronic doesn't recommend adding ethanol to 93 octane on their stage 1+ 93 tune. I only ask because even on 93 I am sometimes seeing timing pulled. Great video!

[@VancityAudi]

Where do you see Unitronic not recommending that? I've never heard them say that before. Depending on the car you are referring to you should be totally fine using 15% ethanol and cleaning up that timing being pulled

[@joshfeinstein4934]

Hey, awesome video. I called unitronic and they said not to add anything, only use 93. You think it should be fine running e15-e20 on a stage 1+ unitronic Rs3. I really would love to see a performance increase before going stage 2 e85, thanks for everything you do.

[@VancityAudi]

@@joshfeinstein4934 interesting that they said that. I guess that is their official response to prevent people from damaging their engines by using too much ethanol on a pump gas tune? I can confirm that when I use the Unitronic pump gas tunes I run an E18 to E20 blend with my pump gas for maximum performance. I never run more than 20% ethanol though on the pump gas tunes

[@joshfeinstein4934]

Thank you, I’m gonna give it a try.

[@dtbrown1978]

Great content!

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much!!!

[@AHigherPerspective]

Fellow Canadian here, just picked up my RS3 and went Unitronic Stage 1 after your glowing reviews. How do we easily get our hands on E85 here : / I cant even find pure ethanol anywhere here in Nova Scotia. :(

[@VancityAudi]

If they don't have it at the pumps try ordering barrels of it. Ignite E85 comes to mind

[@AHigherPerspective]

@@VancityAudi unfortunately none here on the pumps, but I did find a shop that will sell me E90 by the gallons in Halifax, so i'll probably make a trip down there once in a while and hoard some e90 and mix and aim for an e10 mix. Do you think we can run Unitronic Stage 1+ 93 Octane with that mixture? or should i aim for E15. As usual, thank you for responding to my comments :)

[@Ryndel]

Great video! Will the results be the same with a meth set up that's tuned for power, just there for octane boost/knock control?

[@VancityAudi]

No, not exactly. There is no need to tune for the additional power using a low blend of ethanol in your pump gas. If your car is tuned to run meth though you will have to always make sure your meth is spraying properly for your car to run properly and not lean out due to a lack of octane.

[@Ryndel]

@@VancityAudi whoops sorry I meant not tuned for meth. But I get what you're saying thanks!

[@TheAdamcomiskey]

Maybe recommend logging afr in there also just to be safe.

[@VancityAudi]

That is a great idea. I didn't want to confuse anyone more than I did already in this video so I kept the ethanol content to a minimum which 99% of modern Audi's will have no problems with. Once you go with a higher and higher ethanol content though AFR or lambda is extremely important to watch too.

[@MaxiimTribe]

Dropping a gallon or so of E85 when filling up is always nice.

[@VancityAudi]

Every little bit helps

[@djbone604]

Hi Adam. Maybe you can answer my Q? What’s the mixture ratio of E85 to my Shell 91 fuel if I don’t have an E meter? (1L per 4L gas etc?) 55L seems to fill. Stock fuel system on my 2018 RS3 stock engine. No mods. Looking for a little more pop. BTW Great content video as always.

[@VancityAudi]

@@djbone604 I recommend you don't play with ethanol until you have an ethanol content analyzer installed. End of story, lol.

[@alexsauceda4128]

Awesome vid

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much!

[@BigMotorLover]

why not use Total Timing? I dont see the point of looking at each cylinder

[@VancityAudi]

How would you tell if you have issues with one particular coil pack, spark plug or cylinder pressure if you don't log each one individually?

[@BigMotorLover]

@@VancityAudi Because in this video, you arent looking for problems with coil packs, spark plugs or the cylinders. You are only looking for timing pulled and timing added. In this video.

[@VancityAudi]

@@BigMotorLover you are missing the point. Total timing is an average of the total timing you see in all of your cylinders. It isn't showing how much timing is being pulled. You are wanting to ensure that no timing is being pulled at all. The only way you can see that is by logging each cylinder. If you have zero timing pull in 5 cylinders and then one cylinder is -5 you then know your fuel is up to the task, but you may have an issue with a plug, coil pack or your cylinder may be cooked. Does that make more sense?

[@oofedz8466]

I run methanol injection cause direct injection on the 911 turbo s. What if u run methanol injection u probably get upwards of 50whp up the boost. I heard ppl run e85 n methanol for double the power.

[@VancityAudi]

It doesn't quite work like that. Your car has to be tuned for methanol to use it to its full potential. Otherwise you are basically using it for cooling seeing as you are already correcting any timing loss you're seeing with the little bit of E85 mixed in with your pump gas.

[@danielselseleh8226]

Do you know if there’s any e85 at any pumps near north Vancouver ? I’m new here so idk

[@VancityAudi]

There is only one true E85 station in the Lower Mainland. It's in New West: www.northsidepetroleum.com/e85-ethanol/

[@mj19181]

If your using a pump flex fuel that is a E60 blend and not E85 does that change the amount of ethanol that you need to use? Just because my e60 pump would be easier to get.

[@VancityAudi]

Yes, E60 means 60% of that fuel is ethanol. E85 means 85% of that fuel is ethanol. You'll need to add more of the E60 to get the level you would like to achieve. Use an online E85 calculator to help you out.

[@rilesroadkill]

Do you think using Petro-Can 91 octane would yield better results? Should have up to 10% ethanol in it. Would love to get some more performance out of my S4 with a very similar tune but don't want to go through the trouble of adding ethanol manually especially on road trips.

[@VancityAudi]

That would be a very easy data logging session to find out if the Petro 91 was any better. I personally haven't used Petro 91, but I always recommend people to stay away from Shell 91 because of the fact it has zero ethanol.

[@rilesroadkill]

@@VancityAudi ha ya would love to see that test. Unfortunately still currently using shell 91 as chevron 94 also doesn't have any ethanol in it and apparently the shell 91 has a higher Ron rating (99 Ron vs 98 Ron) than the chevron. But yeah not sure if my butt dyno will pickup on shell 91 vs Petro 91 would be an interesting test.

[@rilesroadkill]

Looks like esso gas has some ethanol in it as well www.esso.ca/en-ca/ethanol

[@VancityAudi]

There are a bunch of stations that offer 91 premium with up to 10% ethanol mixed in: Petro, Esso, Husky, Chevron. Best bet is to use Chevron 94 and blend in 10% E85 for an E10 blend.

[@SleeperVersus]

Can you tell me where you bought your fuel it ethanol reader ? I’m also canadian ... cant find it on any canadian web site

[@VancityAudi]

You just buy them direct from Fuel-It

[@cedricduval6898]

Or if i have too switch themap all the time im probably gonna go with the tte700 because thats my daily drive !!

[@MiPedoteTUMBA]

I'm sure you've gotten a lot of questions but if you could help me out I'd appreciate it. Will I fuck my shit up if I add E85 to my APR Stage 2 High Torque 93 Octane 2016 S3 or do I need extra parts and files? I'm thinking 10 gallons of 93 octane and 4 gallons of E85 to make E31. Would I just go to my local gas station and fill up on 93 octane pump gas and then add E85?

[@VancityAudi]

As I've mentioned multiple times in multiple videos, I do not recommend that high an ethanol content on a pump gas tune. First thing you'd do is install an ethanol content analyzer. Once that is done start off by logging the car. Then once you've seen how much timing retardation you have, work up your ethanol percentage 5% at a time. If I had to guess you'll see no more timing being pulled at around E18. There is zero point to running E31 on a pump gas tune. You'll just put unnecessary strain on your fuel system.

[@ZlatanKnowsBest]

Awesome info, I’m on a B9 s4 APR stage 1 - you think a gallon of E85 with 91 should be solid?

[@VancityAudi]

There isn't one answer for every car and every tune. You need to log your car. Then you need to install a content analyzer. Then use an E85 calculator online to find how much E85 you need to add to your pump gas if you are seeing significant timing reduction in your logs. It's almost like I explained this all in this video already, lol

[@ZlatanKnowsBest]

@@VancityAudi I’m well familiar with logging for data and using it to determine changes in the map. I was simply asking in your experience if the ECU’s you’ve seen adjust accordingly to a small amount of E85. These new ecus are light years ahead of what we used in the EVO world. Since it seems like you’re inconvenienced in engaging with your community. You’re not obligated to answer a comment either since you “almost like answered it in your video” Thanks again!

[@VancityAudi]

@@ZlatanKnowsBest Your question was answered in the video so why ask it then? lol. Each car will run differently with the fuel you choose to use, the tune you are using, the wear and tear on the motor as well as its components. There is no straight forward answer to your question until you log the car and find out for yourself how it is currently running on your APR software. For all you know you are only puling a tiny bit of ignition timing and then you don't need to blend much E85 to clear it up. Then again it could be pulling a f$ck ton of timing and you'll need to add way more to correct for the lack of octane in the pump gas you are using. So log, add an ethanol content analyzer, blend a small amount, log and then add some more if needed. Just like I mentioned in the video, haha. Good luck!!!

[@CamaroSS2236]

@@VancityAudi trash reply. We found this on the B9 page under the “Snarky replies from car owners due to sensitivity”.

[@VancityAudi]

@@CamaroSS2236 lmao. I was simply speaking the truth and it seemed to upset you as well as the other owner. Glad to know my snarky replies are being talked about elsewhere! Lol

[@tanktheram]

Okanagan MK7.5 Golf R owner here. I've seen noticeable improvements in not only the overall power, but power delivery by adding Octane to my Shell 91. Because I dont have an ethanol Analyzer, I've been using VP Octanium or Race Gas additives from Lordco, mixing to their reccommended spec for 100 octane. I've brought my best 1/4 on GPS down to 12.5 in a "stockish" R with 7 speed DSG. My question for you would be: what is better? Adding Octane or adding Ethanol? Buying E85 locally is impossible, unless we're buying it from VP in a drum, from the local hotrod shop.... where Octanium and Race Gas are available from all the Lordcos locally. Would Octane not be a safer way to correct timing pull?

[@VancityAudi]

In my opinion using 15% ethanol blended with Chevron 94 or Shell 91 would be WAY safer and smarter than using additives. Have you checked your spark plugs lately? When you pull them are they orange and corroded? Rather than clean? Keep in mind ethanol also has cooling properties.

[@tanktheram]

@@VancityAudi slight tan tinge to them, similar to using high octane fuels purchased in drums. I used to own a Supercharged NB miata and it frequently saw VP105, plugs look the same. Do a dig on the Race Gas and VP Octanium. Some US based tuners are using it with great results. Its convenience can't be beat. On Shell 91/Chevron 94 - I could hear audible knock. Now nothing, and SOTP feel is 100% improved. GPS 1/4 mile is improved by .5 sec I'll look out for E85... if you say its safer. It just isn't available in the Okanagan at a pump, AFAIK. Petro has an Ultra 94 in Oliver and Osoyoos which is 94 E10. It was brought in for Area 27. Might have to make a trip down there soon for a fill. 🚀

[@tanktheram]

@@VancityAudi wish we could just get some spicy fuel at the pumps, and not have to mess around....

[@VancityAudi]

@@tanktheram I had no idea they had 94 Ultra there. That is supposed to be the best available pump gas in Canada if it is the same fuel that they get in Ontario. I'd try some of that with an additional 5 to 10 percent ethanol for best performance. If you like the additives then, stick with them. I just know I'll never use them. I'd prefer proper fuel over an additive any day.

[@VancityAudi]

@@tanktheram and finally if you contact Northside Petroleum in New Westmister they will deliver barrels to you in the interior.

[@Corruptt]

where did you get the e85?

[@VancityAudi]

www.northsidepetroleum.com/

[@mattem9907]

Hi there! I have 2 Speedways by me - the one with e85 only goes up to 91 octane gasoline. But, I can get the e85 there and go a mile up the road and pump 93 octane from the other Speedway. Is it worth it to pump a gallon of e85 and then go a mile up the road to pump the remainder 93 octane, or can I just use the 91 octane next to the e85? Thanks!

[@VancityAudi]

what octane are you looking to achieve and what tune are you trying to run?

[@mattem9907]

@@VancityAudi sorry I wasn't very descriptive - its an 8v Audi a3 w/ the 2.0TSI w/ APR low torque 93 tune (soon to be high torque) and TCU tune.

[@VancityAudi]

@Matt Em as long as your fuel system is working correctly, you can run the 93 tune while using 91 octane fuel blended with additional ethanol to equal an E20 level. The additional ethanol will raise your octane level past 93. With that said, as soon as you do that, you should be datalogging your car to make sure it is running correctly.

[@mattem9907]

@@VancityAudi Ehh I made a mistake - the one Speedway w/ e85 ONLY has 90 octane, so I pumped 1-gallon of e85 at that station and then just drove a quarter-mile up the road and completed the remainder in 93 octane. Question though! If you're always putting in 1-gallon of e85, unless you run that tank empty every single time, aren't you eventually gonna dilute your tank so the concentration of e85 eventually become really high??

[@VancityAudi]

@Matt Em not sure you're understanding how this works. The best way you'll be able to monitor your ethanol level is by installing the ethanol content analyzer like i showed in this video. P3 makes one for your car. If you consistently add a few gallons of ethanol into your pump gas every time you fill up, that will ensure your octane level is above 93. As you burn off the fuel and then add the same mixture to the tank once you're out of gas, you will simply maintain your ethanol content level. It won't make it any greater seeing as you're burning off the fuel in the tank in between fill ups.

[@mattromano7180]

Does this change if you are able to get Shell 92 octane? thats the highest i can get in Seattle

[@VancityAudi]

I have run Shell 92 from Washington as well. You still see corrections in your timing. I would still add another 5 to 8% ethanol to that fuel to see those corrections be as minimal as possible

[@mattromano7180]

@@VancityAudi Awesome, I want to start playing around with it, How can you test your Ethanol content if you don't have the bluetooth app?

[@VancityAudi]

@@mattromano7180 I always recommend you get an ethanol content analyzer installed before you start messing around with E85. You can manually test E85 too with a test kit. You can find both online

[@MrSteveb8]

Miss my Stage 2 B8.5 S4

[@MrSteveb8]

Could he run a tune designed for higher octane since barely any timing was pulled? I used to run the 104 tune on my S4 with a tank 2/3 chev 94 and 1/3 e85 .

[@VancityAudi]

@@MrSteveb8 I would want to clear up that cylinder 2 timing retardation before I pushed it harder. Once that was taken care of he can easily use the 93 octane Stage 1 tune with Chevron 94 with some E85 blended in to give him E15.

[@Ryousure]

California has has always sucked. We have Summer and Winter blend of 91 octane. Now our 91 has 10% ethanol already in it. Still crap.

[@VancityAudi]

Even with the 10% pre-blended you will see benefits of adding an additional 5 to 10% ethanol into your pump gas

[@098cpt]

Fck e tune, Get this thing manual swap. Nice vide, very instructive

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@sonydhadwal7121]

Hey I have same car with IE dual pulley 93 tune set up how much e85 do I need to obtain 13% ethanol if I have a 61 liter tank.

[@VancityAudi]

www.brewcityboost.com/about/ethanol-calculator/

[@sonydhadwal7121]

It is completely safe for the fuel system and filters

[@sonydhadwal7121]

So I would need about 11 liters of e85 if its rated at 65% ethanol content? E10 to E13 completely safe on stock fuel system and filters? 2015 s4 IE dual pulley 93 file, exhaust, intake, intercooler and forged lightweight wheels.

[@VancityAudi]

I wouldn't tell you to do it, if it wasn't safe. You have an ethanol content analyzer installed? Have you logged your car?

[@Zharsergey]

Damn can't get any E85 in Ontario

[@VancityAudi]

You can always order it by the barrel or drum

[@Zharsergey]

@@VancityAudi Hmm will have to research that. Haven't found any so far.

[@RalfMilo]

@@Zharsergey n54tuning sells it by the barrel, free shipping in the GTA

[@dirk5950]

Confirmed. I think yours might actually be worse than Cali ACN91 based on logs I've seen.

[@VancityAudi]

I have heard the same. From the people I have talked to and the data I have seen we have some of the 'worst for performance' pump gas in North America.

[@dirk5950]

It’s like 87 bad bad

[@Nillasjourney]

Wtf I'm so confused. If I have a stage1+ 2017 Audi S3 and your saying if I add about 10% e85 to my tank it won't fuck my car? I thought the car needed to be tuned to take e85 ?? Also don't know how this plays any different in Australia as our fuel is fucking horrible. We run 98 octane as our performance fuel but thats probably as good as your 93 octane

[@VancityAudi]

The car will run better with additional E85 even on a completely stock car. Do everything I showed in the video and your car will make more power. Data log your car, install an ethanol content analyzer, test your E85, add a very small amount to get your ethanol content to E10 to E15, let the car adapt to the new fuel mixture, then data log your car again. Whatever timing pull you saw on standard pump gas should be completely gone. Enjoy the additional power

[@AllThingsG7]

💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@psagan27]

First !