Addressing My Latest Call With Destiny On Trauma (HE CALLS IN! KYLA JOINS!)

[@BrittanySimon]

Thank you to Steven and Kyla for talking to me and continuing the discussion. I'm glad we could talk it out♡ IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM, how Steven spoke to me. I am an adult, and I was upset the other day when I originally spoke to him. My PTSD is NOT his responsibility. I should have waited a few days and then called him, but THIS stream, I'm pretty proud of and felt like I was heard. Thanks!

[@RANDY14444]

Always great to see conversations that are conciliatory, thereby fruitful. Destiny was 100% right when he said you're one of the best good faith interlocutors in the community. Like a ton of other people (especially males) in the community, even I had some preconceived negative biases towards you when you were first breaking into Steven's orbit. Over time though, I've grown to appreciate your worldview and the reasonable, thoughtful opinions you bring to the table. Keep it up!

[@ChemicalW6]

💕💕 Respect Brittany. As a woman watching both you and Destiny I'm glad to hear this. You're a based human and it shows in everything you throw out to the world. It takes a lot of strength to be so open and I've always admired it. Your confidence in yourself is admirable to us and it is definitely healthy to hash things out with friends :)

[@gnomechump-stiny7128]

Bridge remains 🙏

[@KingSensitive]

I enjoy watching both you and Destiny. I know I'm a nobody and what I'm about to say might be misguided because I don't really know you guys but this is just how I saw the situation from my outside perspective. From the beginning it seemed like Destiny was asking a legitimate question in good faith which was "how much can society influence a person's trauma response". In the first conversation you guys had, even though you disagreed with each other it seemed like you guys were really talking past one another. So internally he probably felt like you didn't understand or were too close to the issue so that's why when he talked with Aella he seemed so enthusiastic because he felt like she understood the question. From your Livestream it seemed like you interpreted his enthusiasm with him not really wanting to discuss the question but him already having a view that he just wanted validated. So when you went on your Livestream and said he was asking the question "why can't people just get over their rapes" and saying that it sounded like he was dog whistling for conservatives even though you were asking and saying those things in good faith they were also misinterpreted. I think everyone would agree the type of person who would ask people the question "why can't people just get over their rapes" in that way would most likely be a victim blamer so when you phrased Destiny's question that way in your Livestream even though internally you don't feel like Destiny is a horrible victim blamer based on how things were phrased I can definitely see how it would come off that way. So I think a lot of Destiny's community definitely misinterpreted him. Some people thought he was a victim blamer based on what he said and other people used him as a shield for their own hatred of victims. Anywho if anyone reads this thank you, you both are really cool and mature people so I'm sure you'll move past this with no problem.

[@ChemicalW6]

I heard what he was asking. It is a sensitive topic, trauma in general. But what he was asking aloud was a thought he had to figure out. I, as a female viewer, didn’t think there was any malice behind it. Too much logical thinking met too much emotional thinking. But based comment, I agree with your take as an outsider too

[@chaghetti]

I read it twice. Here and Destiny’s Reddit page.

[@the1stmetalhead]

This is the most rational comment I've seen on this topic. Everybody like you said is either biased or using it as a shield. I wish more people became open minded so that this topic could be discussed and further explored.

[@Poerman4]

Based take I'm not going to lie I really love Brittany but she definitely missed the point of the conversation I love bubbles lol 😆

[@madisonj5136]

@@narcissistichumility1269 what kind of reaction did he think was going to get. He shouldn’t be surprised

[@radmax]

It makes perfect sense that Brittany was triggered by the topic, but she was pretty upset and kept severely mistaking what he was saying for the most toxic possible reads (summarizing his position as “How bad could it [rape] be?” or her thinking he only wanted one answer to his original question and needed Aella for that rather than him literally not feeling ‘seen’ by Brittany). Like he probably thinks she should be able to understand him a lot better than her read of him at the top. Though, maybe he could phrase that frustration better than “you’re too close to this” lol

[@pipopipo6477]

I understand where you're coming from! I just wanted to ad my 2 cents as a man myself. I don't think most men would ever admit that it traumatised them to getting beaten up. I was beaten up ones when I was a teen by an older ex of a date.. The beating itself wasn't really traumatising but the fact that I wasn't able to fight back sufficiently and that it happened in front of many others (including that girl), was extremely humiliating and messed with my self esteem for years... Not saying it was a comparable trauma but I'm sure it's way worse than most men would admit

[@megzaitoun]

I think Destiny is focusing too much on the action and not enough on the violation of trust/consent/the person’s body. It doesn’t matter whether a person has experienced an action before, with or without shame. If their autonomy is taken away, that’s what can lead to trauma. Edit: I wrote this comment at 1:50:11 :)

[@thatmetalhead9000]

Overall great conversations that were getting missed. The final conversation between you and Kyla was great!

[@chrischristensen6779]

“I felt like he is dismissing me” while dismissing his feelings.

[@BrittanySimon]

True. My bad.

[@CoyoteCutie]

Trauma is stored in the subconscious and physical body. This is why there is clinically tested and practiced trauma therapies like EMDR that access parts of the brain “normal” CBT or DBT doesn’t. Denying this fact is the biggest tell someone has never been to therapy for PTSD or other severe trauma disorders

[@Naejakire3]

Yeah everyone is conflating "feelings" for "trauma" in this convo. Your subconscious feelings about the event are one thing, but trauma is largely subconscious.

[@rachelle88818]

Wow, a guy who has never experienced being penetrated against his will can stay rational and calm in a debate about rape but the woman who has experienced it first hand is made to feel like shit for being 'triggered'. Very shitty, I hate this accusation of being 'too emotional' when talking about trauma of all things. You held your own Britanny and I could understand what you were trying to say.

[@BryanJordan1]

After Destiny's convo with Britney he spoke to Aella, a girl who was molested as a child, and she managed to stay rational and calm. :) I encourage you to try mindfulness meditation, you'll discover that YOUR thoughts/beliefs are the source of your suffering, not circumstances or events. & Once you realize you have the power to control your thoughts and/or completely quiet the mind by being present, trauma ceases to exist

[@rachelle88818]

OK thanks bro 🙄

[@BrittanySimon]

I just want to put this out here, as I did on the stream: I don't want anyone to assume someone HASN'T been assaulted. It's not something I ask people on stream because they might not be open with it. So, I don't want to assume because I don't really know people that personally. Just want to make sure we are being considerate of peoples possible histories.

[@petalchild]

​@@BryanJordan1 Being molested as a child is a distinctly different experience than being raped as an adult. Both can be incredibly traumatic but it doesn't make sense to equate them.

[@Naejakire3]

​@@BryanJordan1bro, trauma isn't a choice. It's not your "feelings". It's largely subconscious. There are so many factors why one person might be calm and another might not be. One impact of trauma can be dissociation, especially for childhood assault. One can become detached from their body, numb.. Another person might experience the same event and be more outwardly activated. Fight, flight, freeze, appease. Trauma doesn't affect people all the same way so if she was calm, it's not some show of strength over the person who isn't.. The quiet calm ones can even be MORE traumatized than the other.

[@camcam794]

Children who experience trauma, abuse, sexual abuse are more prone to have chronic illnesses, heart disease, problems with the nervous system, etc as they become adults. the trauma causes physical problems in their bodies.

[@avivastudios2311]

Mind, body. It's all connected.

[@cathmorr89]

yikes Brittany. you preach charitability but gave none. Its a bad look and maybe you need more time to reevaluate.

[@BrittanySimon]

Being a 5 doesn't matter if I'm triggered. We are all humans. Sadly, trauma is deeply rooted in the body and brain. I can't introspect my way through a trigger 1000% because it's like trying to stop a heartattack with introspection. It's fine now. Steven and I do disagree on a point but that's okay. Otherwise, I was happy to admit I was triggered and embarrassed about that. Though, for the thing we disagreed about, I have reached out to mental health pros to get their opinion.

[@BrittanySimon]

I hear you but I was actually being very open to Steven, I was just triggered. Think how others would have treated him if they really thought he was bad.

[@JaimeBush1]

Loving this all black look with the chain!! 😍😍😍

[@BrittanySimon]

💙💙💙💙

[@justdocumentaries5745]

Brittany is Talking Something limited to no more than a Single Person, while Destiny is Talking about more than One ,Thats the Disconnect, and Nothing to do with any kind of Bubble Bullshit

[@worldaccordingtotij4058]

Seems to me a lot of the disagreement with Destiny comes down to subjectivity vs. objectivity. Brittany gives more weight to subjectivity while Destiny gives more weight to objectivity. I think the solution here would be to say that many things are a spectrum and that there is a bell curve. Some experiences are more common than others, but that does not imply that all experiences are the same.

[@noctemeffugio5962]

(I'm at 1:47:00 so I might edit or delete this if I finish the video and what I have to say has already been said.) It seems like a big part of the struggle in this discussion is that "worse/better" and "more/less" are clear metrics when talking about things like physical pain but are not clear enough when talking about something as complex as trauma. Viktor Frankl said that suffering, like gas pumped into an empty chamber, "completely fills the human soul and conscious mind, no matter whether the suffering is great or little" (Man's Search for Meaning). We can measure the severity or intensity of trauma based on day-to-day functionality, relationship with the self, ability to form new memories under specific circumstances, severity of dysregulation when triggered, etc., but these metrics aren't necessarily consistent with each other. Someone who doesn't become debilitatingly dysregulated when triggered may still have a great deal of difficulty functioning on a day-to-day basis and vice versa. Many functions of the brain are impacted and disorganized by trauma and that impact is highly individual based on a multiplicity of factors including the factors Destiny is curious about, but because the impacts are so broad and varied in each individual human mind, it can be difficult to assign a net severity to a collection of trauma symptoms in comparison to another collection of trauma symptoms, especially given that the effect of trauma in the brain is disorganization and the creation of contradictory patterns and functioning in thought and behavior. You might say that Brenda's trauma is worse than Deborah's because she can't perform basic day-to-day functioning 90% of the time, but someone else could argue that Deborah's trauma is worse than Brenda's because Deborah gets triggered 90% of the time she tries to interact with her children. It may be possible to say broadly that certain kinds of events impact certain kinds of people DIFFERENTLY, but an overarching and non-specific application of terms like "worse/better" or "more/less" when deconstructing how trauma occurs and may be exacerbated by certain factors is (or maybe just feels) insufficient if your goal is reaching the truth at the end of these questions. My guess is that this insufficiency is (broadly) immediately apparent to people who have been traumatized and those people are going to feel resistant to or suspicious of this language, especially if they have actively worked with or through their trauma in some way. People who have less experience with trauma might have a harder time with the idea that trauma is built different and needs a more granular examination than other impacts non-traumatic events have on the human mind and body.

[@noctemeffugio5962]

Eyyy, let’s go, Kyla. She made a point different than mine but more relevant to the conversation. I still think what I’ve said here is worth saying, though, if only tangentially, so I’ll leave it up.

[@tomtom3576]

‘Getting Jumped’ is slang for Assault LOLZ

[@ChemicalW6]

I think it’s fair to say he’s putting up a angry front because he can’t process emotions as well as logic. I do honestly believe that Kayla is correct that he is afraid that he would lose another friend, another person he put trust in and probably more trust in Brittany than she does him. And for him to be cast aside after several others have when he trusted them. He was asking a very strange, deep question but I heard the stream and though it was odd it was actually very out there and not related to bashing victims. I know how others could misinterpret it. Also, when Brittany said she was dismissed, I understand that too as I also have similar issues. However, what I believe he meant was that the question was too much of a trigger for you and probably felt he shouldn’t have asked a broad question to someone who has gone through a traumatic event. Being smart doesn’t mean you understand your emotions. Especially someone as logically and rationally hyperfocused as he is. I honestly believe he exhibits traits of high functioning Asperger’s, I’ve experience in this. And in dealing with Asperger’s, emotions aren’t as rational as they are to us who are sensitive and very in touch with our emotions. I believe Kayla is the one who is correct here. I think this should be buried as a question he asked aloud and we can all disagree or agree but we also have to understand how he is asking it. And that is the part that is missing. I don’t think he is blaming rape victims in the slightest. Anyway, this is not worth burning a bridge with a friend over. Brittany feels so much and Destiny thinks so much. That’s fine. But to also throw a comment about his kid in… That was a bit OTT. Kayla is spot on. Not everything should affect your friendship and it’s sad to hear that you don’t trust him yet but give it time. He considers you a true friend and that is not an easy thing for him to gain in life, he’s said so himself that. Stay strong everyone, it’s not the end! ❤❤

[@momofro1819]

You described it very well. but one point of contention I have is that he was asking the question on his stream to his own audience in a nuanced point of way. I get kind of angry when every girl in his orbit tells him he is suppressing his emotions but when situations like this happen, Brittany's emotions come first and he should be the one carefully putting his statements out so others dont get triggered. Like hes not allowed to get angry when he feels like hes being misinterpreted and that it's his fault for not using proper non triggering statements.

[@avivastudios2311]

The music at the start was niiice.

[@filsviolet]

You know when almost all of the world's social problems will be solved? When men appreciate women and go after the women they feel they can appreciate, instead of forcing themselves on women and men with whom they share hardly anything. Actually they share a lot, but do not want to admit it because they justify their actions that way. I recently told a young woman who got engaged that a man who appreciates a woman is a happy man. A happy man does not make war, rape, jump, assault, molest in a traumatising way if there is any other way, or just stir trouble in other ways. Sorry Brittany, some of us missed the parts where you let us know you love Steven. If he is a beneficial friend, we should be happy for you.

[@peanutbutter4949]

If their trauma causes side effects that benefit their current life they might not be aware that they actually have issues. I think its when it starts to negatively effects your life, but Steven and Allea live in a different world than normal people

[@GrassyHillProduction]

you ate this UPPPP

[@marjouarjojo8185]

She did

[@kelsiestewart4570]

So Britney agrees that how you raise your kid can increase the odds of them being traumatized. I felt like all destiny was suggesting was: wouldn’t it be nice if he raised kids in an environment that didn’t shame or gaslight them about being assaulted so that they would be less likely to be traumatized by it?

[@chaghetti]

And Brittany is saying, they are going to be traumatized no matter how they are raised. But sure, you can raise them to handle their trauma as best as they can. So a thot and a conservative will both be as equally as traumatized by being raped, but the way they deal with that trauma might be different. But even then, the thot may have some serious sexual hang ups that make her deal with rape trauma in even more messed up ways than someone sexually conservative.

[@endlessrecurrence3173]

I don’t think you trying to distinguish between individual vs societal is really relevant. What destiny is talking about is relevant to both. The question is basically “how does trauma manifest and to what extent is nurture involved?”. The question is looking at the bigger picture, but it is as relevant to the individual when it comes to understanding what you are experiencing. Essentially person x experiences rape, they get traumatised in a particular way, but person x also had abusive parents, they are also sexually liberated etc. (almost endless criterium can be added) and of course their biological makeup. Compared to person y who was raped, but other parts of their life is completely different, and their bio makeup is different.

[@filsviolet]

A woman not taking the pill when she says she does sounds like entrapment.

[@peanutbutter4949]

Ive been jumped multiple times, ive also been SA'd. I have more trauma from the SA. Idk the scientific reasons why, but it think its more intellectual then physical.

[@rachelle88818]

Damn, hope you're OK in the middle of all of this Britanny! I actually hate watching this and reading the comments so disengaging for my own piece of mind but I'm hoping it hasn't affected your mental health in a negative way 🫂💖

[@BrittanySimon]

Thank you! All is well. Steven and I spoke in private, and we are good. I understand where he's coming from, and I get it now. We just disagree on one part, but that's more than fine. Mental health is back on track. My PTSD is no longer triggered♡

[@giloteen]

I don't think this was ever an issue with Destiny feeling hurt. I think it was a matter of frustration, miscommunication/misunderstanding, oversimplification, possible misjudgement, and a bit of disappointment.

[@kittensmittens2529]

Destiny is not my cup of tea.

[@LiftingLena]

I think this is a fascinating conversation. I am at the 1:43:32 point. I think that, trauma and the pain one feels from it is dependent on the person, their experiences and what they observe from the world. So each person will take in the pain of that trauma in different ways and it will re-wire their brain to try to protect them from that harm again. There are predicable reactions in the short term that we can see, but how that pain affects them in the long term can be where a lot of the nuance lies. It is hard to say this person’s pain from this traumatic event is greater than this other person from this other background who experienced something similar because you can’t really measure how detrimental or painful that experience was and compare it. I am not an expert, but so far that is what I have gathered with my experiences and with others around me. I wonder what experts would have to say about this. It is fascinating. Figh

[@peanutbutter4949]

DBT saved my life❤

[@ChemicalW6]

Mine too 🤗🤗

[@dwil0311]

I wonder if you realize that everything you said in talking to NotSoErudite basically supported everything that Destiny said. You just couldn't engage in good faith due to your emotional connection to the topic.

[@BrittanySimon]

I don't know why people think I disagree with Steven? I'm saying all things are possible. We only disagree on 1 point.

[@dwil0311]

@@BrittanySimon Perhaps because you spent the entire discussion with Erudite describing in what ways you disagree with Steven and yet the ways you described you disagree with him were exactly what he was saying. You weren't actually listening to him. You were stuck in your own frame of reference to hear what he was saying.

[@dwil0311]

For instance your story of your brother getting jumped and not having trauma from it was actually supporting what he was saying, but you kept framing it in a way that it was a point of disagreement.

[@supergingerr]

As cringe as I might sound I think rape is one of those things that until it happens to you, you’ll never fully understand how it feels (like most things really). For example people love to look at crimes and say “I would never react that way I would’ve done x” but ultimately you won’t truly know how you will react in any given situation until you are actually in the situation. Also Brittany is 100% right on the not comparing trauma thing. We’re individuals therefore obviously everyone is gonna to process events differently.

[@Naejakire3]

The issue is that trauma isn't all conscious. Everyone is speaking about "trauma" like it's sad feelings. Trauma is so much deeper and often subconscious. A person can FEEL completely fine and unaffected but 100 percent be impacted by the traumatic event. A literal response to trauma is avoidance/dissociation. Some people will feel outwardly fine but then experience so many health issues because the trauma is manifesting physically. Can your social situation influence that? I think it can influence their conscious feelings on it, but not the trauma itself. A Mormon virgin is going to have compounded feelings on a rape, more than a sexually liberated woman will. They're both violations AND the Mormon has to deal with the added shame from her particular religion and culture. We live in a society in the US where rape is understood to be terrible. The word alone feels gross and scary for most people. I have been raped multiple times and wasn't CONSCIOUSLY impacted. I see that I should be based off the social reaction, but it isn't influencing me..just makes me search for why I'm not. I believe I'm not because I had so much abuse and CSA already that I am dissociated and grew up to not consider my feelings or value my body all that much. I am very emotionally muted and avoidant already but I do have health problems that come from trauma. Either way, my social bubble didn't influence it on the micro scale.

[@Naejakire3]

And destiny putting it in people's minds that it's too close for her or that the other woman was calm and could speak rationally therefore it's not as close to her is bullshit. Like I said about detachment and avoidance, the outwardly calm people can be soo activated internally. The calm people like aella can be even more traumatized than the outwardly activated person. It's not a reliable marker of how traumatized a person is. Two people can experience the same event and both be traumatized where it manifests in opposite ways.

[@lindsaymarie700]

I have had people say to me to get over my trauma. "I have had that happen to me, and I don't have those problems or do those things." As in, I'm just crazy and PTSD doesn't exist. My relationships with people are difficult, but people are entitled to their opinions. But I also only go a couple of steps with people if they aren't hearing me now, which helps. It's hard when you are sick and people just don't believe you until it shows up physically. It's just hard having illnesses someone can't see because I find I get bullied about it more than not. "Why can't I just be like everyone else?" How am I to live here? By creating my own bubble and finding a new career where I feel safe. Thanks for your validation on trauma and PTSD 🙏

[@MaxPowers2.0]

Only 13 minutes in, but it sounds like you’re still in your feelings and not really engaging with the argument Stephen was trying to make. He acknowledged that intuitively rape feels worse than getting jumped but he nor you could really explain WHY it feels that way. He wasn’t just saying “why can’t people get over their rape?”

[@adotianreavez1083]

What's the outro track

[@risenjoker923]

I can see how Steven was hurt because everything he said was twisted in the worst way possible where it didn't match to his original statement. It came off as extremely bad faith. Specially when he was right about everything he said, while, not only your interpretation of what he said was incorrect but even your views on jump were wildly incorrect. Jumping is inherently violent beyond what a fight is, I would never tie jumping and fighting as the same thing or even a similar realm. It seems like you are not willing to admit you were in the wrong on this and that's disappointing. Because his issue was not the disagreement, but the fact that you changed what he said to mean something he did not actually said, that's extremely frustrating. Every time you summarize what he was saying, it was not at all what he was saying. By mischaracterizing what he said and twisting it to say something completely horrible you attacked his character.

[@petalchild]

He wasn't "right about everything he said," what he said was pure conjecture and he didn't both to actually look up any research on the matter.

[@Naejakire3]

Omg destiny keeps talking about physical trauma.. Childbirth is a physical trauma, not an emotional one (but it can be). Breaking a leg is a physical trauma. It doesn't mean the person will be psychologically traumatized.

[@Naejakire3]

She's just wrong here. She's being soo close minded and refusing to listen to what people are saying. She's literally saying things that prove his point. Her shame wasn't about penetration, it was about not being able to fight back. Well, for the people traumatized over the penetration, that could be far more deeply painful. And then she says the data disagrees but doesn't have the data and says "she will ask people"

[@DesertNebula]

Destiny lacks perspective and much much more

[@Senumunu]

Destiny claims "the extend of negative feelings is clearly induced by environment" (conservative woman vs lib woman) when Brittany says "subjective perception of harm" he goes "hold on subjective tends to mean random and it is not random" She is clearly right that you cant compare traumas since the threshold itself is coated in subjectivity. Destiny then asserts it is not and uses a borderline objective threshold of comparison with PHYSICAL (and mental) harm (hurr durr your arm or spine getting broken is worse than you getting bruised, hurr durr some form of trauma is worse than other trauma) he is either dense or arguing in bad spirit. this was not a debate or a conversation, it was crude and distasteful indulgence.- reckless, tone deaf, self centered, sleazy... he is a blight on the social commons and the public space. edit: Destiny 100% read the comment and then "updated" his position. claiming he always said he never knew what was the case. He is clearly aggressively asking Britney "what do you think is more likely?!" with the assumption that the conservative woman has the worse trauma. dishonest and sleazy worm.

[@Senumunu]

also i could swear i read some article years ago where some psychologist came to the conclusion that liberal women had a traumatic response way stronger than conservative women when it comes to sexual assault/rape. he was surprised himself but he wrote something along the lines of "liberal women lacked the perception of threat/harm/danger around sexual expression and when they got assaulted or raped out of the blue it shattered their self perceptions even" where conservative women had no delusions about the nature of male sexuality.

[@gothhy]

@@Senumunu Hmm I'll argue an article like that could be easily debunked by having more studies on the issue. Ik the article is being referencing and not directly linked, but the study really begs the question if the case has 2 women or a large sample size with set parameters and questions and with a control?

[@Senumunu]

@@gothhy how are you going to generate a large enough sample size ? how are you going to isolate their upbringings ? the kind of assault that happened ? it is by its very nature very difficult to study. all you can get is some suggestions. but as i said even there things are pointing against Destinies "logical" conclusions bcs of the subjective nature of trauma. the article doesnt matter to my critique. ignore the 2nd message completely. its irrelevant.

[@beganfish]

@@Senumunu That article would support Destiny's conclusion. His whole point was that he thinks there are societal factors and pressures that cause people to be more traumatised by sexual assault. His point about a conservative or progressive woman and how they might differ in their trauma response still works if the progressive woman had a stronger trauma response, it would only refute his idea if they both had the same trauma response.

[@Senumunu]

@@beganfish you are responding to a different point.

[@dwil0311]

Your reaction to this was so toxic. It seems like you didn't attempt to understand what he was saying at any point. Your example of your brother getting jumped and being ok was exactly the point Destiny was trying to make. Men are socialized to believe that getting in a fight is just a part of being a man. Whereas being an SA victim is societally seen as being the epitome of trauma.

[@gothhy]

I personally can’t stand the screaming and yelling and aggressive shouting from Destiny. His behavior makes it so much more difficult to process his point through his yelling

[@purpleamber1]

Yeah, this is one of Steven's weakest talking points ever. Kind of disappointing and proves that even those that are nuanced can't get beyond the man brain and perspective. R*pe will forever be something women understand inherently, even without experiencing it, because we understand the violation. Yes it can happen to a man, but even that is different. Imo I think the pious conservative would fair better than the "sexually liberated" woman, though you could tell Steven wanted to make a different point - more exposure = less trauma. That's like preparing for trauma..it just doesn't make sense. Idk what he was on.

[@britterzzz8744]

He's fucking annoying here. Acting like a man child.

[@beane6426]

It’s interesting how your parts of your response validates the point he was making, and the question he was asking.

[@momofro1819]

just admit that your triggered instead of calling him crazy