Addressing The ABSOLUTE Ignorance Regarding Dragon Quest Monsters and Pokemon

It's crazy to me how ignorant people are regarding Pokemon and Dragon Quest to the point where people don't realize that DQM not only never tried to be Pokemon, but it was actually Pokemon that took inspiration from Dragon Quest.
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[@kingkirbokid]

DQV inspiring pokemon then the pokemon fanbase calling them the ripoffs is a peak gaming moment

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

And Megami Tensei has existed in one form or another for even longer

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Pokemon fans that try to champion Pokemon's "complexity and depth" with its gameplay is just a hollow excuse. They don't ACTUALLY care about depth or complexity. Cuz if they DID, they would play games like Shin Megami Tensei or Yo-Kai Watch 3 where more game states have to be taken into account. The very moment such people are proven wrong with how shallow Pokemon is compared to other monster collectors, they will IMMEDIATELY turn around and say Pokemon is better for being simple. It's not about simplicity or complexity and never was. They just wanna claim Pokemon is better no matter what and no matter how much they have to flip flop.

[@pedrosegundo8109]

Be careful when you say "they". We aren't a single thing. And most people do care. I care. And I still play Pokémon. Also, what do you mean by complexity? Is it story wise, lore, gameplay? You are being too vague here with your argument and also saying that the pokémon fanbase is a single thing, almost like a single being. We aren't.

[@pedrosegundo8109]

If you ask a fan why he/she likes Polemon, some people will say that they like the Pokémon themselves, others will say that they like the gameplay, others will say they like to play and explore the regions. Everyone likes Pokemon for a different reason. I like to explore, I like the lore.

[@pedrosegundo8109]

And first things first, do you even know Pokémon to begin with? 😅

[@StormChaserJuan]

but weren't the dragon quest monsters a spin off that came out after pokemon

[@IsopodsEatChannel]

I played (and loved) Shin megami 4 and yokai watch 1-3. I have experienced the opposite of what you say about creature designs. The designs are not the issue with pokemon.

[@petitwallaby]

Besides... How is it a problem if other monster taming games "compete" with Pokémon? I love Pokémon but I like to try different things in the genre! I love having more monster taming games to play! I love to see the different twists given to the mechanics! I love seeing new monster designs. I couldn't be happier when I found this channel!

[@kleefirestar]

Cause pokemon is a cult

[@SionReaver]

@@kleefirestar Amusingly, what the Monster Taming community goes through is the same thing Platform Fighter community goes through. One is always compared and put down from not being Pokemon. And other Smash.

[@kennethdennis8907]

I'm a monster taming game enjoyer but I'm also a Pokemon fan that sees competition is a good thing.

[@daltoncarroll1569]

I too am a pokemon fan. It's a shame that pokemon has become trash with no passion. I was playing dqm joker before this came out and pokemon chrystal and emerald. Let me tell you the glaring difference between the generations of old school and switch. Dqm the dark prince has passion behind it. scarlet and violet is a lifeless husk of what it used to be. You know what I'm a fan of... good games. And dark prince is one good game

[@kleefirestar]

Its ironic people always say pokemon needs competition yet foam at the mouth when non pokemon games come out

[@kennethdennis8907]

I think some of you aren't getting my point. I love all the monster games that come. And see it as a good thing because it's going to make Pokemon set up and take notice. When one's right on their heels about the dethrone them. Because then they're going to have to adapt or die. But I buy most the other monster taming games too because I love the genre. But it just seems like some of you are looking for a fight in the in the comments.

[@PkmnTrainerAbram]

​@@kennethdennis8907 The only one who can make Pokemon better is Pokemon. It's not the responsibility of anyone else to push them to do so.

[@kennethdennis8907]

@@PkmnTrainerAbram I can agree, but it helps to have competition. Does it make them realize if they mess up, there's plenty of other monster taming games out there to take their place. So eventually it might get through their heads that they need to change.

[@lancefillmore9980]

I agree. Most people in my generation (gen z) and kinda ignorant or dont bother to look up stuff and have blind faith

[@loiedonn4192]

Its ok to have blind faith cause theres not a single person in the world who has no blind faith to a specific hobby, person etc. Its a natural human feeling/reaction also you cant force anyone. Just ignore them and support the game that you like.

[@jacobrodriguez-bertoni2716]

This series back when it was dragon warrior monsters was such a different approach to the Pokémon formula and a nice surprise that I genuinely preferred it. The later version of Pokémon took the idea of monster fusion and changed it to breeding. The same idea of borrowing happened with digimon, which not only introduced us to transformation shifts like digivolution and Jorgress; which they copied years later in Pokémon with fusions in B/W and Mega evolutions. My point was there are plenty of examples of a Pokémon borrowing or getting inspiration from others but the super fans never acknowledge this. Just act like Pokémon with it’s crazy profits was the innovator, meanwhile those of us in the monster collector genre acknowledge it’s just the most well known game. Far from the best, a sad truth becoming more apparent each generation as they lose more innovation and risk/ effort and just settle for average experiences.

[@TheGamingMalamutt]

3:00 someone finally said it out loud! thank you! As a diehard Pokemon Fan, you have no idea how validating it feels to hear a content creator openly talk about the toxicity from the fan base when it comes to other games within the same genre all while ignoring the increasingly large problems within our own game. Fans will openly bash Digimon World Next Order while it plays better than Scarlet and Violet. and Don't get me started on the mess with Temtem when it first came out. I remember in the official discord server, the community manager had to start banning a massive wave of "pokemon fans" who were raiding the discord just to cause trouble for the game during Early Access. Just because Pokemon is popular doesn't mean it's flawless and without criticism. No game is. But to criticize something without looking at your own game first is hypocrisy and it runs rampant in the pokemon fandom and it breaks my heart that it does.

[@Rikika333]

This is the doom clone debacle all over again. Just because something shares some traits doesn't mean it's the same thing, besides what is wrong with cloning good ideas and putting your own spin on them?

[@MaleficArken]

It's crazy that people believe that DQM is a Pokemon Clone when its systems are *NOWHERE* near as simple as Pokemon. While Pokemons first game released in 1996 and the first DQM in 1998, the fact that the sheer amount of complexity to the game and its *INCREASED* complexity as the years go on. Its systems outpace Pokemons in almost every regard. DQM Cobi's Journey had *MORE COMPLEXITY* than Ruby and Sapphire and even had mechanics that Emerald ended up taking (which was having to watch your Pokemon attack without orders in one of the battle towers, which is what DQM with its colliseum battles) and yet Pkmn RSE came out 1 year later than Cobis Journey. Also, lets not forget that Pokemon *continues* to *REMOVE Complexity* from its games when it adds new mechancis (Mega Evolution, Gigantamax, etc) and then strips them away in future games. Meanwhile the DQM series almost always keeps the mechanics its had in previous games and then adds more in future games, further adding to the complexity of future games (such as adding Sizes that alter both the monsters talents and stats as well as the party size). Pokemons complexity can be simplified into the following: Egg Moves, Abilities, EV/IV, Items, Evolution, Level, Types, Statuses, and gimmick of the current game (that will be removed later). It is only *NOW* with the latest pokemon game that they added an increased complexity with changing your pokemons type through Terrastalizaton. Meanwhile DQM has: Fusing (that causes loss of the 2 used), Stats, Innate Traits (Species Talents), Party Size, Monster Size, Skills, Skill Fusions, Inheritable traits, Trait Fusion, Accessories, Party Inclination Setup, Skill Frequency Setup, Types (immunities/weaknesses), Species (in relation to anti-Species skills), Lineage Special Fusions, Statuses, etc There is probably more that I am missing from the DQM series but they are in almost no way comparable in terms of complexity. They only share very few in similarities mechanically. There is a reason why I have DQM and Digimon ranked higher than Pokemon in terms of my favorite Monster Taming series and that is the execution and the mechanics of the games as a Monster Taming game.

[@StormChaserJuan]

Yet Pokémon is still played by a greater majority because it’s for a younger and more casual audience. DQMs complexity may be great sure, but i believe it appeals to a smaller audience compared to Pokémon.

[@MaleficArken]

@@StormChaserJuan I believe partly that the reason why people mainly play Pokemon has nothing to do with because its more "casual". I believe it has to do with *markeing* . Japan is usually terrible with localizations, especially back then in the 1990's. The moment Pokemon was localized to western audience it spiraled out of control. However, if Digimon or DQM was localized with the *same* level of marketing as Pokemon *around a similar time* you'd see a much greater divide and less of a stranglehold that pokemon has on the genre. We've received pokemon games for decades with very little in terms of outside the box thinking. Meanwhile Digimon and DQM have pushed for innovations and changes in their games. But because they compete with Pokemon for young audiences and Pokemon has been a foundational staple that all monster games are compared to it? It just leaves less of a chance for Digimon or DQM to pull an audience.

[@StormChaserJuan]

@@MaleficArken hey man. It is what it is. Pokémon is owned by one of the largest video game manufacturers out there so it was set up to be the most influential. Even if it’s not as complex or whatever it is (I kinda don’t care really) Pokémon is the most well known because it’s owned by a well known game company.

[@senorapples1115]

I defiently think this is still due to the effect of how pokemon have had a monopoly on the genre. That and the fact pokemon fanbase is pretty much at civil war.either way at the end of the day, most people just want more series of monster taming to be a thing. To have more variety and not be stuck with pokemon so much.

[@blackhammer5035]

I still think too many people confuse the goal of the pokemon series. It’s not to add to the lineage of a series you play every title in. Instead, it’s to make a fresh new game for the new batch of 6-9 year olds. The game mechanics are stagnant because they work and are fresh to new players. Thirty year olds are not the target audience, unless they are playing the games with their kids.

[@ael4n]

You said you are tired of making this kind of videos, but to be honest, I think you should capitalize on them. If you feel uneasy or fear it might be perceived as an 'attack' on Pokemon fans, feel free to word it in a way that the videos will appear as educational or informative, not inflammatory(not saying this video is one way or another). But Pokemon franchise is a stagnant creation, and people should keep reminding developers, both of Pokemon and of other titles, of that.

[@ichigokage]

The amount of people I’ve seen bashing Cassette Beasts is absurd. It’s not perfect but it’s an incredible game that stands out. Meanwhile people excuse so much bullshit from Pokemon Company. They need to competition so hopefully something changes.

[@Kakachi07]

100% agree here, Nothing is going to change if people keep blindly giving pokemon money because it's pokemon. People need to learn they are getting scammed with pokemon now. It needs to be held in check and hopefully that will have a positive effect on the developers and pokemon can get onto a right track, I love it and think it has serious potential, but it's currently wasted on the developers and those that have blind faith in what is going on with it now. We need more people making comparisons and explaining the difference between what is actually good and what is actually bad. Of course because a lot of us do want pokemon to succeed it is fair to point out the rare things they do get right.

[@LiquidJ619]

Played since DWM. Always felt like it had more depth game play and story-wise than Pokémon.

[@seankelly6620]

Unfortunately the big issue is Pokemon doesn't have a major competitor in years most older people who grew up in the 90's or early 00's are at least somewhat aware of Digimon at least.

[@shawn_7413]

The cause of that issue was literally this behavior being expressed in the video. Pokemon fans ran every monster raising game out of town to the point developers realized there's no market for them in the west. So many series suffered. Monster Rancher, DQM, Yokai Watch, to name a few

[@randomuser5090]

i dont get it, why people have to blame monster Taming games. Yes Pokemon is cool, but sometimes some other taming games, does some things better and some things worse. Just try games and enjoy. There is no need to blame other games

[@pixelwhisper1999]

Pfft, at least DQM: The Dark Prince ran on launch XD

[@JDReC100]

oof

[@kleefirestar]

Its hilariously ironic how people always go "pokemon needs competition" but get out the pokemon clone articles anytime a dev DOES make a non pokemon monster game

[@peachymiku6432]

And what you said is the main reason why I ignored reviews for Nexomon Extinction before I ran into yours. Comparing the game to Pokemon rubbed me the wrong way. I wanted to see a review that just took Nexomon Extinction as it's own thing. When I saw your review and noticed that wasn't something you did, I listened to your review and also because of that, I fell in love with Nexomon! As for Pokemon, I don't want people to get me wrong! I love Pokemon! But the spinoffs are more my jam! Especially the Mystery Dungeon series. Mainline Pokemon is good, it's just I prefer my monster taming in different games is all! Make me the Pokemon though and I am all for that! I still can't help but hope for a Nexomon Mystery Dungeon. But I doubt that will happen. But I won't deny that I have seen myself as a Mearn. May not be the best starter in Extinction, but... I love cats so I am a bit biased! 😹

[@CTSael]

From one Nexomon fan to another, you got my attention with the idea of a Mystery Dungeon-style spin off game. The only question is: would the playable character roster be only the first game’s starters, or all starters across both games? Because I would be more than happy to choose Fethra or Mara either way.

[@peachymiku6432]

@@CTSael I personally think if there was a Mystery Dungeon game that it would be both sets of starters.

[@nazeersadek6705]

Oh ya I remember when this was a hot topic when SV was having major performance issues some had the audacity to complain about a few frame drops in DQM

[@damonwhalen4684]

pokemon fans (fanatics) bash every tamer game hoping it fails if they just kept to themselves no one care about them

[@terminatortv8109]

Yeah, that's what fanboys do

[@pandazombiez9168]

Dragon Warrior (Quest) is pre pokemon yes and is the first JRPG and paved the way for all. Edit: also DQ monster is sold out across japan.. that's a good thing.

[@Loffter]

Dragon quest monsters isnt a pokemon clone, its a shin megami tensei clone. or vice versa. i dont know. Either way, pokemon doesnt even know monster hunter exists. well that's not true, all the employees at TPC probably go home and play dragon quest games, thats kind of a big deal in japan. but they certainly dont see them as rivals or competitors.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

As an old JRPG Fan, I know that there was a tons of DQ clones on the NES and SNES. And that certainly helped the RPG genre flourish. At the very least, it didn't hurt. So, even if it was (which obviously it isn't.), that wouldn't be an issue

[@Brutetank]

I am sure if I grew up playing DQM on gameboy rather than Pokemon blue, I probably say I wouldn't even like Pokemon that much. I think it is more of a childhood thing. Though I do enjoy the designs and gameplay of DQM games more than pokemon as I age

[@rhodesailant9728]

Maybe we need genre tag like tamer/taming/etc. Sometimes seeing every monster taming game get compared/labeled pokemon this pokemon that 😂 i kinda feel those people is truly embodiment of "frog in the well"

[@tomlopatto3787]

Dragon warrior/quest games hold a special place in my heart, my first RPG as a kid DWM 7, after that got the game boy games, put more hours into them because the end game to me as kid had wayyyyyyy more purpose than that of Pokémon and there were about 300+ monsters in DWM Tara/cobi’s so I remember just breeding and breeding to get the Boss monsters and how much of a grind it was and I LOVE that about dragon quest games.

[@FaolanHart]

If you actually care about an IP, you will want it to have competition. Pokémon has gone downhill in recent years. Its become so incredibly lazy precisely because it doesn't need to compete. They could release a literal pile of glittery shit, slap a Charizard on it & it'd be the highest selling thing all year. There has been a massive boom in Monster Tamers because people are getting sick of GameFreak's laziness & greed & are looking for something to scratch that itch. Then they're finding just how many games out there do it better than Pokémon. Or go in a very different direction with the genre & really open their eyes to what can be done with it. I love Pokémon. Always have & always will. But as a fan of the series I desperately want them to need to start competing again. DQ Monsters, MegaTen, Persona, Monster Rancher, Digimon, Tamagotchi, Metabots. Even among the big names none of this is new, & to act like Pokémon is the be all end all of badass &or cute monster games is just outright braindead brand-zombie thinking. Put it another way. As a massive fan of the Monster Hunter series, you know what the best thing about the PS Vita was? It didn't have Monster Hunter. As a result of that obvious hole in the market we got Toukiden, Gods Eater, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars & the list goes on. Sure none of these held a candle to Monster Hunter imo. But as a fan they weren't just "clones", they scratched an itch. If you are a fan of a genre, you want MORE of that genre. If you are just a brand-zombie, you're too brain-rotted to be worth listening to. .....erm....apologies for the wall of text lol. I'm very tired of this nonsense.

[@andrewwkiser]

This is hands down one of my new favorite channels/content creators! I love this level-headed discussion about just asking people to chill haha. I'm both a huge Pokémon and Dragon Quest fan and Dark Prince is my first foray into the Monsters sub series. While I've played Pokemon since it started in the 90s and suffer from a rampant case of nostalgia playing that series, Dark Prince easily matches my enjoyment of monster taming I get from Pokémon even though it's my first game in the Monsters sub series. I just love both and habe grown tired for years of the attacking hate people have for the latest Pokémon games and now it was getting worse when people were getting so upset about Dark Prince. I just want to enjoy the games I enjoy and not feel I have to defend that enjoyment. Great video!

[@eazybuxafew]

It’s just the insecurities of a fan base who know their game is far from perfect. It’s like the second string QB nipping at your heals. DQM and Pokémon are two games in the same genre they can be compared Mature Pokémon fans should realize that Pokemon is an introduction to JRPGs and monster tamer games. Let it open the door to bigger games like DQM, SMT, monster hunter stories Persona, and Digimon story games

[@cooltraineralex9711]

Dragon Warrior Monsters being a “Pokémon clone” was actually a selling point for me back in 2001, when I was looking for something else to scratch that monster tamer itch. At the time I hadn’t yet played DQV, nor did I realize that this game was a prequel to DQVI. But I was very familiar with the DW games on NES and remembered how very similar the gameplay was to Pokémon. It seemed like a natural fit to the genre and it still does. Definitely agree with many comments saying we need a new tag (#) along the lines of “sandbox” or “metroidvania” to replace the wildly inappropriate “clone” accusations.

[@1jasup]

I've always preferred DWM/DQM over Pokemon

[@Brahaja]

Are people really this serious about this? Who cares if it’s compared to Pokemon, just play the games you like lmao

[@JDReC100]

when the same fanbase attacks other fanbases with games similar to thiers over and over and over again for more than 2 decades, you begin to see large swaths of people reaching a breaking point. this breaking point becomes even more prominent when the quality (in comparison in quantity) difference between the media gets more and more clear every year.

[@Lordodragonss]

More like POKEMON was copying designs from Dragon Quest xD

[@jazminl6604]

I loved Pokemon when it came out, but I think it made me like the genre more then the game itself, because there are so many great and even not so great taming games out there and you'll never know unless you really try to see the games for what they are, like Digimon, Jade Cocoon, monster Rancher, monster Harvest and so many more, and now thanks to you I think I might just add Dragon Quest Monsters to the list of taming games to try.

[@vodkaffee4856]

graphically looks like Monster hunter stories 2 for younger gamers

[@Kakachi07]

Honestly after the travesty that was Pokemon Scarlet and Violet I really don't get why people use Pokemon as a standard for quality Monster taming games, because it's the furthest from that trait. Of course the obvious answer is they play nothing but Pokemon which is why the series continues to degrade in quality, they don't care about quality though as long as they get to catch and battle pokemon. Doesn't matter that Digimon has surpassed them in quality, or that Shin Megami is becoming more popular and people are realizing it's been a good series. Then you have the rise of Persona games lately, and Monster Hunter even took a crack at it and knocked it out of the park. We have so many monster taming games that are better than pokemon in quality but the Pokemon Die hards refuse to touch anything else. Further I've played many open world and survival games, anyone else that has can see how bad Scarlet and Violet are and how much work Gamefreak needs to put into actually improving their talents that they really should have by now, and if not hire people who can do it. As long as there are Pokemon Die hards this will be a reoccurring issue, but it should die down more with people like Ed spreading awareness.

[@Lentor-Dev]

As a big Pokemon fan, I fully agree with this video. I've enjoyed looking into other Monster Taming games because they are just a nice breath of fresh air from the same thing over and over again. I think all pokemon fans in general should really consider branching out and playing other Monster Taming games to learn about what makes these games fun and what Pokemon themselves could potentially learn from them. Basically...Just approach this stuff with more of an open mind

[@archeduardo]

I liked DQM but it kinda is an auto-battler at times.

[@lukep.]

DRAG THEM! I want names and receipts next time! 🤣

[@defrand14able]

Dragon Quest Monsters was one of the first games I ever played as a kid back in early 2000s. I lost the game and started playing Pokemon later but never forget about that first monster taming game. But for the life of me couldn't remember what it was. I literally ignored Dragon Quest for years after until a few years ago when to my damn surprise; I couldn't remember the name of the game because it wasn't called Dragon Quest back then! Dragon Quest Warriors was the name. Such a small and simple change made me miss out on years of experiencing Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest Warriors literally even influenced my gamertag for the past 2 decades. Thats how much of an deep impression it left in the mind of my kid self.

[@azothmaster1603]

i loved and never complained about the dark prince people are just going to hctib about it cant be stopped XD

[@Larudantex1991]

It’s a interesting topic that many view different, i would call them all turn based taming games and it’s a big category, no clones for me… i especially love persona 3,4,5 and only like SMT ,3,4,5… i really enjoy the story parts of the persona games can’t explain why, in some other ways more the gameplay but it’s the complete package that sells me after all

[@einheit02]

You know the console wars? How kids attach themselves to 1 console, game, IP, etc and violently lash out against other stuff? It's like having a fav sports team. Now it's reinforced by content creators and online communities.

[@shawn_7413]

Monster raising is a genre of game. Saying everything is a pokemon clone is like saying no sports game should exist because it's copying pong. Equally nonsense

[@antoinewilliams290]

I do love Pokemon but I also love the monster collection games especially how different they are depending on which they are also too a guy who is a Pokemon fan, i get bored playing Pokemon sometimes so trying to play a different monster collection game is a lot more fun if you give it a shot.

[@nextlvlroy]

I agree, the ignorance is strong with Dragon Quest. I remember when the 20th anniversary trailer came out there was a lot of "trying to copy pokemon 💀" comments. So annoying.

[@damonwhalen4684]

The Pokemon fanatics have lead the Pokemon main series to get away with making worse games. They could have implemented a Pokemon Showdown system for pvp and then a Pokemon Legends Arceus system for pve but the developers would never do that because of the Pokemon fanatics.

[@brianm.595]

Dragon quest V is the first monster catcher. The first pokemon games have clear "inspiration" from 20-30 dragon quest monsters. The west doesnt generally realize this because it wasnt orginally released outside japan. Game freak played it and knew about it when they made red and blue.

[@hacksawDDS]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; Pokemon is not the first or best of the genre, only the most popular.

[@biglollol]

"Sure it has died down a little.." Little did he know, Palworld lurking in the corner waiting to shitstirr the whole world.

[@GymLeaderEd]

Loll I knew pal was coming I've been covering it for 3 years lol

[@biglollol]

@@GymLeaderEd ye, but no one expected this level of outrage lmao

[@GymLeaderEd]

@@biglollol loll yea I forgot how annoying and hypocritical the internet was

[@mikekazz5353]

Wasn't there similar drama with dragon quest and Pokemon before.

[@OMGUKILLKENNY2]

Even if you are a die hard pokemon fan, you should still be happy they have competition in the genre. It is just going to make pokemon games better in the long run as they have to out do their rivals.

[@lucasprince5940]

yeah good points. being a fan of something doesn't mean you need to make your whole identity around how much you love it. it can certainly be a large facet of yourself, but ultimately to me the greatest respect i can show to those who created something i enjoy is to realize that creation is not adopted to be "mine" since it is a "part" of me- it is still their creation and i'm on the outside looking in, if that makes sense

[@jrodriguez9017]

I was always curious about dragon quest because they looked interesting much appreciate the backstory how dragonquest started out

[@EZxJesus]

Any true fan of the Pokemon games should want it to have more legit competition. Gamefreak needs a good kick in the ass

[@lancefillmore9980]

Patrick your ignorance is showing

[@ephemarius]

Comparing dragon quest monster games to Pokémon would be like saying apples are more important than oranges

[@BigDaddySama]

I think that at the end of the day, the only thing that matters about a game is whether or not you enjoy the time you spent playing it. I have played both Pokemon and DQM, and I enjoyed both. Neither games are perfect. Just play what you like and don't hate because someone likes a game you don't.

[@MysticRyokan]

this vid aged well (palworld)

[@FinleyHarrison-hy2sm]

I have this game on my list hope to get it soon.

[@jmtradbr]

Dragon Quest is a decade older than Pokemon and had monster taming before too.

[@XellosNi]

I feel like I've been here before. At least three times.

[@GymLeaderEd]

Yup lol

[@maurotechera2486]

Is backwards, dragon quest existed before pokemon in any case pokemon is a clone of dragon quest if we follow the pokemon crazy fanatics

[@lancefillmore9980]

First

[@casketchan]

And pokemon copied dragon quest 😭

[@Zathien]

Pokemon does have a more complex battle system and better pvp but Dragon Quest Monsters has a better single player gameplay loop.

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

Nah Pokemon isn't that complex and is a very easy game. I've played all the Pokemon games and every new one is easier than the last. The battles in S/V are a joke. All the trainers around the maps are very low lvl. The gym battles are a joke and I can beat the game with just one over leveled Pokemon and spam the same one move to one shot everything. In fact you can do that in every Pokemon game. You can't do that in DQM. You have to plan out what monsters your synthesizing, what moves they have, what abilities they have. You have to carefully put in points into each skill. You can combine skills to get even better ones. You can't one shot the bosses with one monster. You have to plan out what roles your monsters have and you always have to adapt to what the enemies have. I have lost to bosses in the game and that doesn't happen in Pokemon. Pokemon is only complex if you haven't played it before but once you learn the basic stuff like how the type matches work it's piss easy

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

That is completely false. Pokemon VGC World Champion Wolfey has detailed how the Doubles format has more depth and game states than Singles due to having 2 monsters out at once. The same applies to having 3 or 4 monsters out at once in Dragon Quest Monsters. More game states and therefore more depth. Not to mention the super huge skill pools of Dragon Quest Monsters due to a higher level of customization as opposed to Pokemon where movepool limitations easily make or break certain Pokemon like Kyurem Black or Weavile. More skill customization builds per monster means more game states which means more depth. I have played and studied competitive Pokemon for over a decade and I will tell you Pokemon is laughably shallow compared to most other monster collectors both casually and competitively. Let us also not kid ourselves about PVP. The enforced 20 minute battle timer on cartridge has made more hardcore players default to unofficial simulation like Pokemon Showdown (a complete and utter bandaid solution) rather than playing on PVP online on cartridge due to how little time that is.

[@senorapples1115]

The only time pokemon is complex is when its pvp but when its the base game its as not at all. Thats why alot of people don't like the games lack of challenge (like myself) and move on to games like dqm dark prince.