CARCHARODONS: HUNTERS FROM THE OUTER VOID | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@judeoreilly3193]

When the Salamanders summon a giant flame dragon with their psychic powers it's 'So metal!' yet when the Space Sharks summon a giant shark it's too 'on the nose'. Curious...

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Duality

[@riven5677]

Well I find them both awesome but unlike space sharks salamanders aren’t basically doing space wolves

[@Azhan.J777]

@@stalinsoulz7872 i see what you did there

[@vahlok1426]

I think it's less on the nose for the Salamanders since their Librarians bend fire into the shape of a dragon, while the Space Sharks just summon a straight up shark avatar to eat people.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

@@vahlok1426 I kinda like that more, the idea of a ethereal shark swimming through walls and the floor like water. It’s not fair for chaos to get all the fun stuff.

[@diogoteixeira4950]

I love how Bricky calls the Charcarodons edgy when his favorite chapter is the fucking Night Lords

[@ethan840]

Ironic isn't it? Lol

[@emjaaaay]

He also admits they're cool though, we all admit that the night lords are edgy to the point of parody, but that's part of their charm.

[@blackouthorus1519]

@@emjaaaay i find em funny not cool

[@phantomwraith1984]

Well Charcarodons are Night Lord successors

[@blackouthorus1519]

@@phantomwraith1984 no theyre not there raven guard mayhaps spliced in other gene seeds but read zee books nerd

[@barryhill2836]

Okay I think the BEST way to describe Carcharodon battle doctrine is... Stealthy like a Raven Guard Terrifying like a Night Lord Rips and Tears like a World Eater

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*Exactly*

[@mr.malpractice6390]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 what are your thoughts on the Tyranids?

[@pianospawn1]

So like a shark then.

[@Alpharius-Omegon]

@@tyberostheredwake6153so Tyberos what you opinion on King Shark declaring he is more of a shark than you?

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

​@@mr.malpractice6390 I was there. His thoughts were that "The pod will continue birthing organisms until it is destroyed. Wait hear and clear any stragglers" There were no stragglers.

[@ZakuInATopHat]

Bricky & DK: *pointing out Tyberos’ totems on his armor* Also Bricky & DK: *misses the actual massive shark jaws around his helmet like a cowl*

[@woaddragon]

Thank captain Obvious

[@error..................]

@@woaddragon LMAO

[@trampoline11x]

@@woaddragon ... wow I didn't know Ultramarines frequented this comment section.

[@woaddragon]

@@trampoline11x Hello there, Dark Angel, how is The Lion.

[@woaddragon]

@lunatic is baked leading the charge of the Legion of the Damned. Yeah you heard me.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

*"We won't be remembered. No one will extol our deeds and no one will sing our name in joy or pride...* *And that is our purpose* *We are not heroes,* *We are not paladins of righteous minds and blazing hearts* *We are Devourerers of Planets* *We are Rulers of Nighttide* *We are Sentinels of Corvo* *We are Carcharodon Astra,Space Sharks, and the Void shall tremble in our Red Wake* *FOR WE ARE THE EMPERORS MAW"* Attributed to the first Shade Lord, moments before the Great Exile. Date: Unknown

[@heavystalin2419]

So, when a Night Lord and a Raven Guard Marine love each other very much...

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@heavystalin2419 *Well, throw in a World Eater and yes, pretty much you got us*

[@mellotomevoices]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 They sound like the Night's Watch from Game of Thrones.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@mellotomevoices I mean, kinda?I can see the similarities, but the Nights Watch is more for criminals and similar, while the Exile is duty, simple as that

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 Pretty sure they also recruit criminals

[@margathapai4010]

Bricky: "One thing you have to understand about the Space Sharks is they are cool in the way that a 15 year old would find it cool." me: ... you have literally just described everything about 40k but that is why we are all here

[@ngominh259]

Like 40k's first Inquisitor, Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau. Or the Iron Hands Primarch, Ferrus Manus - whose name means "iron hands" - with literal iron hands.

[@High-LordHarza]

​@@ngominh259who's ship is called Fist of Iron

[@GamerGrovyle]

@@ngominh259 You're fucking kidding me with that Inquisitor name?

[@Ace-kk4dm]

​@@GamerGrovyle he's still cannon as far as we know

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@GamerGrovyle no and hes still cannon last time i checked

[@davidthomas2870]

Always figured the Charcarodons were loyalist night lords who defected to the loyalists, and to keep them relatively safe from being purged they were sent on their long hunt to do what they could to redeem the sins of their brothers and father.

[@davidthomas2870]

@The shy one That sounds likely as well! Really does feel a bit like a hybrid of the 2 legions. Like how the Minotaurs kinda seem like half World Eaters and half Ultramarine or Imperial Fists.

[@Aaron-io8vw]

Current lore has Corax exile the majority of the Terra born RG because they where brutal slavers before the heresy to the edge of the known galaxy. They are pretty much confirmed to be from them wit the possible addition of lNight lords elemwnts who left the traitors after The Lion captured Konrad

[@nullakjg767]

If you read the book it heavily implies they are ravenguard nightlord hybrids. originally ravenguard and then got a lot of nightlord geneseed to help replenish theirs.

[@carlll6101]

One of the cool theories was they are hybrid chapter mix of night lords and ravens that hide the loyalist lords... but then Papa Smurf came in and without any problems called "yo! you! yes you! you gray faced fuckers! YOU GET FUCKING PRIMARIS REINFORCMENTS!!! LOL" so... I don't know now.

[@joshua41175]

Honestly, I'm still a fan of them being salamanders who disagreed with their doctrine.

[@aragon26583]

One of the traditions that was missed was when these space marines gather recruits, first thing they do is have everyone 1v1 duel to the death until half the recruits are left. One of the reasons why they have so many fatalities.

[@taurock96]

I mean a LOT of Space marine chapters do that if I'm not mistaken. Getting "number 1 victory royale yeah Fortnite we 'bout to get down 10 kills on the bord right now just wiped out tomato town" is probably the least surprising thing with Space Marines

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

They also implant the gene-seed with septic medical instruments because Grimderp.

[@josemontalvomelendez5642]

@@FoxHound-ut1hu nah the sharks Geneseed is implanted inside a coral covered apothercarion The polyps miasma it releases kill bacteria and other viruses

[@FoxHound-ut1hu]

@@josemontalvomelendez5642 huh I was wrongly informed it seems.

[@christopherbryan160]

Some sharks also do that, but instead of space marine recruits in an arena, it's shark embryos inside the uterus.

[@YoBen100]

Today on Shark Week: Space edition.

[@jamesvowell291]

Coffee has gone up my nose, thank you. I needed a good punch line to brighten my day

[@zeros9921]

Fucking this!!!!

[@tgs9740]

Warhammer 40K edition

[@sergejmartac3842]

Today we take a look at a special race of sharks called psyhopaths

[@dbap5293]

Today on shark week: Space Edition We get to see some space sharks fuck up some chaos

[@gokbay3057]

DK, Loyalist successor chapters of traitor legions have mysterious origins exactly because if that information was open they would most likely get purged. The backstory being mysterious and their ancestor being unknown is quite literally the point.

[@grumpysmurf127]

unless you're the minotaurs and you are friends with the high lords of Terra. then you can do what you want.

[@andrewespinoza2896]

*Blood Ravens have stolen this thread*

[@Bluecho4]

^This

[@jocosesonata]

@@andrewespinoza2896 That's a weird way to spell *Trazyn.*

[@AltoStratusX1]

Also because the successor chapters formed AFTER the heresy and there wasn't exactly a ton of surviving loyalist Traitor Legion Marines around at that point to even form successors.

[@boomityboomityboom]

2 things: 1. I wish Bricky had read the quote where a Mechanicum (Magos I think?) actually saw Tyberos and had a blue screen moment for about a second. 2. I have an internal debate about whether Tyberos should try and cross the Rubicon Primaris and how big he'd get if he got through it.

[@thedubstepaddict3675]

They dont put him through the rubicon primaris because there is no armor big enough to put him in.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@thedubstepaddict3675 just empty out a titan

[@Cheveyo888]

Which book?

[@boomityboomityboom]

@@isuckatusernames4297 I'd say a Knight first. The next upgrades after Primaris would be a Titan

[@bestnameever1850]

if he did bro would just walk to the eye of terror and personally speak with khorne

[@Genericdruid]

My favorite part in any book is where the inquisitors from the book "outer dark" stumble into a cult meeting, get captured and then when they are going to be sacrificed a fucking land raider busts through the god damn wall and spills out a load of space sharks with chain axes. I wont go into detail but the scene terrified and gave severe PTSD TO A FUCKING INQUISITOR

[@Milk192]

Yikes. So the people who get to see shit and live most than others got traumatized. Damn 😯

[@kevincass9917]

Holy shit an Inquisitor got PTSD from the Space Sharks?!

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@Milk192 that an Inquisitor gets PTSD is the most hilarious shit I've ever heard

[@Milk192]

@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 They do, I can't get some known cases off the dome but you'll find them looking up 😂😂

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@Milk192 yeah I'm an Inquisitor i see deamons and damnate million's of people to death every few months but slaughter no that's to much

[@Kerberus262]

"He's the size of a primarch" "He's a badass" "No one is sure what their founding chapter is" *Glances nervously at missing Primarchs*

[@s.k4713]

They also have there own primarch defect…*oh no*

[@shabbacabba]

Headcanon accepted

[@featherdragon7894]

He was disgraced and forgotten, but his loyalty never faltered. He took those like him under his fin and now, they hunt.

[@PelusPL]

That theory is really cool. Big ass mf, own defect. Yeah

[@nicholasjoseph9062]

More likely a few of the perfectly functioning abomination created by Corvus Corax.

[@JumbleMumble]

"I gotta be honest, i'm a fan. I think they're super dope. I think they're fucking cool. I think they're fucking DUMB" The quote that sums up a solid 60-70% of the fanbase. And i'm one of them. I don't love the Sharky boys because their lore is so deep. No they are sharks in space, wearing power armour and just slaughtering fools. And Tyberos needs to supplement pieces of his Terminator armor with Dreadnought parts cause he's to big! It's just the kind of dumb, fun and super dope thing I came to love this universe for.

[@BrotherVoidBomber]

Honestly that plus their love of ancient pre heresy weaponry and we dont need admech to fix our old ass ah it does it for me

[@Motorius9000]

The lore can be deepened..! They do have really a lot of crazy lore potential with the Maori theme or any island dwelling culture. I agree though, the lore doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be badass or cool dumbfuckery... For the VOIDFATHER!

[@shocker1209081]

They are so right because none of us has a right to talk shit. XD Bricky: What if nuns, but with guns! DK: What if space marines... But wizards!! Shy: What if Orks... But Cockney football hooligans! X'D

[@robacdc1977]

I mean they have three novels in as many years, the 2 by Robbie MacNiven, the Duology about their 3rd company, is pretty damn good tbh. Haven’t read the newest one yet.

[@killianasheart5175]

So another cool psychic power they have, I don’t think it was given a name, but their head librarian, Te Kahurangi, focused a little center point on a man’s forehead. Then the weight of an entire ocean crushed his head at that little point.

[@monsterhiddenfromthesun210]

Holy shit, that's ballin' as fuuuuuck.

[@S3verusMyG]

Yup, Space Sharks are now my favourite.

[@typherson6358]

Never thought I’d hear of a space marine with a Maori name that’s sick

[@killianasheart5175]

@@typherson6358 oh a lot of them have Polynesian esk names. Akamu the Harvester prime, Bail Sharr the reaper prime, Akia former reaper prime, and so on.

[@riffraff48]

@@killianasheart5175 Bail Sharr that freaking madlad

[@christianasiata4485]

As an Islander myself, I really love the space sharks, they're the closest thing to islander space marines in cannon. I even drew my own chapter on pacific islanders. still trying to figure out their geneseed tho

[@Jamhael1]

It depends of what you are after from your chapter: strength, discipline, firepower, or savagery?

[@MiishaKorvian]

It'd ben kinda cool if the chapter had a variant of the Maori Haka.

[@leodesalis5915]

That would explain why Tyberos is so god damn wham. Only an islander can get that big and still stays as strong and as quick 😂

[@angrycrusader7047]

My favourite story from the Charcarodons was when tyberos and had an interaction with an adeptus mechanicus, he was so still and quiet than the mechanicus thought he was a statue Until he moved slightly and he MADE THE MECHANICUS FEEL FEAR, a thing that has programmed itself to not feel any emotions, dude is so terrifying that he forced the mechanicus to oil itself

[@stalinsoulz7872]

The thing about tyberos in that scene was like acts like a costudian time to time unless he answers your question to which he formal speaks

[@muttproductions2536]

The mere fact that Tyberos, a hulking Space Marine who is so fucking big he needs to use dreadnought armor with his own terminator armor, managed to make a tech priest oil himself in sheer fear just makes me laugh. That and the fact that the Carcharodons, when going to save some Inquisitors from a deranged cult, managed to give said Inquisitors a severe case of PTSD, just makes this chapter so fucking awesome.

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@muttproductions2536 it's still fucking funny how that thing happened twice or so. Like she really isn't having a good time being the emperor vanquisher of the unworthy and nonbeliever

[@Hollyclown]

No matter how machine you become, you cannot escape your primal instincts.

[@BK-km6zl]

“Oil itself” lmao

[@americanguy6666]

Bricky seriously called the Carcharodons edgy when the forces of chaos exist. And the raven guard. And the night lords. And the Death Korps of Krieg.

[@Krojester]

I like the theory that they were the Raven Guard from before Corax' discovery. He didn't care for their cut-throat and bloody tactics, so he exiled them to be replaced by the rebels from Deliverance

[@TheDubDisciple]

More like the fact they took slaves. Given Corax was himself enslaved he didn’t mesh well with the battalion of Raven Guard in the Great Crusade that did so There’s a large group of ppl that believe it’s this battalion of Raven Guard that Corax sent out during the Great Crusade but refused to recall even during the Heresy that eventually grew into the Carcaradons. Potentially splintering into them and the Ashen Claws chapter another renegade Raven Guard chapter they maintain ties with despite them renouncing the Imperium entirely. That’s very weird for a super loyal chapter like the Space Sharks

[@Codeman1930]

Bricky- “The Nightlords skin children” Also Bricky-“they’re fun”

[@Grayvyboat]

That's what makes them fun

[@S3verusMyG]

If we want people to hate Nightlords, we make them skin dogs

[@Grayvyboat]

@@S3verusMyG I wouldn't be surprised if they did that too

[@user-BadUsername]

@@GrayvyboatTHEY DEFINITELY DO THAT WITHOUT A DOUBT

[@rampage75_25]

The kids will be fine. You should worry about the parents

[@LemanRussVanquisher]

I'm a huge fan of the theory that there is one loyalist successor for each traitor primarch. I doubt GW will ever confirm it, but it's a cool idea.

[@gringlebandersnatch]

They're currently canon raven guard descending from the more brutal terran raven guard

[@LemanRussVanquisher]

@@gringlebandersnatch I know, it's just more of a headcanon thing.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@gringlebandersnatch this hasn't been confirmed just *heavily* implied as far as I'm aware.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

It's a pretty common theory that cawl is making primaris Marines from traitor stock, despite gulliman explicitly telling him he can't. I mean, "the Sons of the Phoenix" are a chapter

[@gringlebandersnatch]

@@r.cdahuman7682 I mean....they only have the exact same flagship those raven guard legionaries had, black eyes, white skin, a proclivity towards stealth tactics and use the exact same title for chapter master (shade lord) as the Leader of those exiled raven guard Arkhas Fal. It's pretty much all but confirmed, like how you can't really overlook that the sons of the phoenix are fulgrims even though they're legally not.

[@zylowolfzan3345]

The Salamanders Librarians: Summon a literal fire dragon. DK: "YO THAT'S DOPE!" The Carcharodons Librarians: Summon a literal psychic shark. DK: "PFFT, fuckin LAAAAAAAAAME."

[@SamueL-td7fb]

DK having no taste? nothing new.

[@AverageAwesomeDude]

Dragons are cooler than sharks simple as that. Also it’s made of fire. If the space sharks did something similar like use whatever fluid was available, maybe that’s why they want to spill and spread so much blood, and phychicly manipulate that liquid into a shark, that would essentially jump 10 levels of cool in my book. Else it feels a little tacked on, more like an idea someone slapped onto them to keep the shark theme going and not something that looks like it would’ve developed in universe through the chapters culture and values.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

Its just the rest of the space sharks lore lmao the salamanders dragon is coolified by the lore the sharks well shark is cringified by the lore

[@The_Sharktocrab]

And he's right

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

Cool tings: 1. Tyberos is such a fatass that his armor is partially dreadnought armor. Not tactical dreadnought Terminator armor, literally dreadnought armor. 2. They use chainaxes like World Eaters. 3. They kinda have the ambush predator vibe, like Grey Knights but cool. They just pull up, annihilate a target, and leave. 4: During Badab War, when they showed up to kill the Astral Claws, they blew up the planet while an entire titan legion and like five space marine chapters were on it. When confronted, tyberos went (: and then left and nobody has seen them in like 300 years. At least like in a book. 5: I don’t think they have Primaris Marines yet, because they’re so like “UhhUh we spooky hide in void no like Gilly-man we hiding OoOooOoo.”

[@PedroInvicta]

Tyberos went (: What a way to put it ngl

[@bjornthefellhanded5655]

WAIT THEY DESTROYED A TITAN LEGION BY DOING THAT? Damn I feel like Arch didn't put enough emphasis on that when he was doing his series on the War for Badab. Time to start re-watching that....

[@TheDubDisciple]

@@bjornthefellhanded5655 Ngl he rushed the fuck out of the Badab War series. I was expecting another Vraks-level saga and we got like a 5 part summary The Carcaradons showing up was a BIG deal. Back when the Badab series was written 40K was still in its infancy and the idea of a Space Marine chapter lost in time and operating independently of the Imperium under the Emperor’s writ from all the way back since the Great Crusade blew ppl’s minds

[@filwilliamson9149]

They have Primaris Marines. There is a photo of a Primaris Space Marine in Carcharodon colors.

[@AlphariusMemegon]

No, they like Gilly-man. It's Guilliman they have a problem with.

[@MegaBichiX]

Fun fact, one of the rites for their initiates is to jump into a fishtank they have in their ship and swim with the giant pet sharks until the sharks accept them or eat them, whatever happens first

[@bohba13]

honestly, depending on the sharks they keep, this could be quite easy. most sharks are quite dog like and like belly rubs.

[@gingermcgingin4106]

@bohba13 Also, with the exception of the small, parasitic cokkie-cutter sharks, sharks don't like the way we humans taste, so unless you do something to either spook or irritate them, they'll most likely be content to just chill.

[@mrsubject1]

That's an actual nightmare lol

[@yuvalgabay1023]

I don't know If I should feel lucky or insulated

[@bohba13]

@@yuvalgabay1023 also, reef sharks can bond with divers and will get jealous if they give another shark attention. Its quite cute.

[@nuckchorris499]

I also love their Maori tattoos that they have on their armor. It’s such a unique aesthetic for marines.

[@taurock96]

These episodes about smaller chapter really makes me want to see a Legion of the Damned episode some day. If DK doesn't like "on the nose" stuff, wait until he meets the emperor's litteral deus ex machinas

[@power-armoured_german9856]

Who's the deus ex machinas? The Custodians?

[@taurock96]

@@power-armoured_german9856 No, the legion of the damned

[@Gabriel_I_Huszar]

I never thought I’d see the day when AdRic covered the Carcharodons, I’ve been a fan of them ever sense I heard the name lmao, do my shark boys proud!

[@Kumo-Yume]

Yeah! Same....

[@Neknoh]

Never thought I'd see the day when the Nightlord lovers said the Space Sharks were stupid edgy XD

[@It_was_I_Alpharius]

One of my favorite moments was with Sharks clearing a tyranid infested ship and Tyberos goes to one of their fleshy breaching tubes and tells his brothers to kill anything that comes out and then he starts slashing and climbing his way up to kill the hive ship on his own.

[@evilsclone2499]

I can only imagine that ship's Indigestion

[@krullachief669]

@@evilsclone2499 Yeah, it's called Tyberos the Red Wake.

[@evilsclone2499]

@@krullachief669 so what kind of tums should the ship use, burn or sore relief?

[@krullachief669]

@@evilsclone2499 There is no relief for Tyberos, beyond accepting death.

[@seeingseeer5282]

Other than the Space Sharks, there are other Space Marine Chapters that are speculated to be successor chapters of traitor legions, the Blood Ravens is one such chapter, the Minotaurs is another along with the Silver Skulls who were speculated to be Iron Warriors successors, with the latter's symbol looking a lot like Barabas Dantioch's mask. Some of them are subtle, but then there are Primaris Chapters like The Covenant of Fire (supposedly Salamanders') and Sons of the Phoenix (supposedly Imperial Fist's), the former's symbol is a book on fire and they are known to be iconoclasts (Word Bearers), the latter's name has 'Phoenix' on it with a heraldry that had a golden aquillian wing and they are known to be perfectionists (Emperor's Children).

[@Resomius]

Wait... werent the silver skulls the chapter the Inquisition invented so people stop worshipping Trazyn for saving a planet? If they were actually existing I would love a scene of Trazyn just seeking them and screaming at them for taking his legend

[@donatedorb4094]

I always wanted the Exorcists Chapter to be Word Bearers cause it makes so much sense

[@bthsr7113]

Um... aren't the silver skulls actually Necrons?

[@bthsr7113]

@@Resomius Or stuffing the entire chapter, fleet and all, into his hoard to fit with mind shackle scarabs.

[@gokbay3057]

No, there is an actual Silver Skulls chapter

[@jakebailey1636]

Time to drop extra lore! The space sharks are one of the very few forces to know of the existence of the Ashen Claws- TLDR they're renegade marines who started out in the Heresy and didn't pick a side. They now and then do business with each other for resources Big example of this is if the sharks just are struggling THAT much to get recruits, the Ashen Claws are willing to exchange for some meat for the grinder

[@PremedComrade-25]

Well it was like that up until recently when Tyberos refused to give back the dual relic chainblade lightning claws he allegedly stole from their chapter in exchange as payment for the Ashen Claws coming to their aid against an entire hive fleet when their back was against the wall in the book. Tyberos legitimately gives zero shits and I find it absolutely hilarious with how he responded to the demands after the battle. I find it interesting with how despite being cutoff and strapped for resources since they don't have production facilities like normal chapters do from forge worlds and stuff they just up and trade illegal relic archeotech equipment and technologies they found from the outer dark to get the shit they need from the mechanicus via under the table dealings. The chapter is a really neat take compared to alot of the usual ones I've seen from the books.

[@jakebailey1636]

@@PremedComrade-25 was not aware of these, that's cool! Also I guess after being around and so isolated for so long they just sorta stopped caring? Space Shark's got heretics to kill, a little shady business is a small price to pay for getting the bigger fish so to say

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@PremedComrade-25 *If they want them, they can try and take them*

[@SuperHalofan64]

5:00 Not only was he kicked out for like a few days under the suspicion of using MACROS (which considering that Legion is 1000+ geth programs I cant really say I blame them for suspecting that) but he was also banned for SHITTALKING players. Which is one of the funniest fucking things that came out of those files other then Grunt's search history and Tali reinstalling and uninstalling what amounts to a vibrator into her suit multiple times.

[@crackedhammer4612]

Not to mention that Tali download a bunch of explicit human videos. She’s a humanphile

[@eatenjaguarjaguareaten3367]

Legion kinda got a little heated lol

[@Myomer104]

And he successfully appealed all of the charges except for the shit-talking, which he accepted the suspension for.

[@charlieseely3464]

Tali did what

[@Ceiling_Gato]

The pale skin, black eyes and becoming more of an introspective loner over time are also signature Raven Guard characteristics resulting directly from the geneseed of Corax

[@sapphiredawn4321]

But also abit of nightlords who knows

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

Nostraman traits too

[@nobleman9393]

Redditors.

[@savathunthejudge914]

They are both

[@vladdrugal6580]

So, i believe in one of the newest Horus Heresy books they basically confirmed that the Carcharodons are exiled Raven Guard. If I remember the story correctly, it goes like this. There was a unit of Raven Guard during the Great Crusade that before they found their primarch that did this exact kind of tactics, and his title in the Raven Guard was the Shadelord. So these guys did this tactic and basically perfected it, but once they found their Primarch he didn't like the methods that this part of his legion was doing as he felt it was too much and over the top. So during that time but before the Horus Heresy and before the Raven Guard lost most of it's members, instead of killing this unit, he sent them on a mission to go into the "Outer Dark" and go fight the enemies of the Imperium out there. I believe that is where they also got the 'approval' for the Red Tithe.

[@fuggyou93]

In fact, the title of Shade Lord isnt just haha edgy for the sharks. That is a Terran RG title for Legion Master, as Arkhas Fal was called Shade Lord. The Raven Guard Terrans who were sent away after the battle of Gate 42 were titled the Ashen Claws, whom the Sharks return to and half fight half ignore each other.

[@MrPotts94]

The red tithe makes sense for the space shark image, its like press gangs from the colonial era where ship crews would abduct people from land and force them to join their crew. I think this tactic was used by many European navies.

[@woaddragon]

Non more.than the British ..

[@r.cdahuman7682]

Hell the imperium does this. They even call them press gangs.they are typically taken from hive worlds, and are quite often prisoners.

[@omegawilliam95s36]

@@r.cdahuman7682 We use the term “Indentured Workers”.

[@mapleflag6518]

Yeah that was the leading cause of the war of 1812.

[@suspicious_automaton9252]

I can’t believe we got an episode on CARCHARODONS before blood angles

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

Reset the clock!

[@TheKingsPride]

I mean we got Lamenters long before blood angels

[@GearShotgun]

I was literally thinking the exact same thing. Nothing wrong with that but seeing them before a first founding like BA was a surprise. I could also see them doing this just to spite the people telling them to do BA already

[@Ian.420]

We got a Space Sharks episode before a fucking Tzeentch episode.

[@GearShotgun]

@@Ian.420 all part of the plan…….

[@Jarvo-ed6pj]

Personal head cannon is that because they’re inspired by Polynesian/Maori culture they’ve got New Zealand accents, so you’ve basically got a while chapter of Korg from Thor Ragnarok

[@meteorjohnson139]

Barf not Korg pls you are ruining it for me lmao

[@zatinld6050]

That part about the hippity hippity is pretty cool cos some species of shark do just that, commandeer fish (sometimes whole schools) to serve them and or join them either willingly due to survival sense/weighing up odds or in return for not being eaten

[@Fordo007]

That edit of the Minotaurs turning into a smiling Perturabo made me laugh way more than I have in a while.

[@vicentepupo4045]

DK: why do the carcharodons do that Bricky: BECAUSE SHARKS

[@oligb1469]

Imagine if the redwake got a primaris upgrade he would be like Vulkan sized

[@crichtonvasmoya4290]

I think he did. I think most crossed the rubicon primaris. They are out in the void, so they cant wait around like everyone else.

[@blackouthorus1519]

Doesnt inlarge him just makes him thicker

[@crichtonvasmoya4290]

@@blackouthorus1519 honestly wouldn’t be super surprised if tyberos was a primaris prototype put out there for “field tests” under a “talk and die” policy

[@blackouthorus1519]

@@crichtonvasmoya4290 the thing is most think they are the raven guard who were banned for enslaving people because ya know that primarch was a slave, so most think those bois are the sharks and i cant see the lie

[@oligb1469]

@@blackouthorus1519 Like the wide Putin meme

[@germanmandalorian3514]

The Charchadon Astra was some of the Terran Raven Guard Marine the get banned of the big ol' Crow Corax. In one of the Books of the Space Sharks they made a Trade with a other Renegade Warband of the Ravenguard(Ash Claws if I remember right) and Part of the Trade was some of the clean Geneseed from the Charchadons for the Ash Claws. They have both the same Gene Fathers... Well, At least like I understand the Parts of the Book.

[@IrishEyesBlackDragon]

I now wish for the day for the gang to learn about the Minotaurs.

[@idccharls6003]

Imagine a Charcharadon riding a great white squigasoar

[@orionlogan8114]

Da Orcs approve of this message

[@marneuscalgar4361]

@@orionlogan8114 I do not

[@mr.malpractice6390]

@@marneuscalgar4361 shut the hell up marmalade calgari

[@jefferycrouch4396]

Red Tithe is one of my favorite space marine books, up there with the Iron Warriors Omnibus and Night Lord's trilogy. It does a great job fleshing out the chapter and is real badass.

[@lt_bacon205]

I wish I could get my hands on the space sharks books the Guants ghosts Omnibus 1/2 are all I’ve gotten so far

[@HellishSpoon]

never heard of these guys im loving the more obscure sub factions being covered

[@csgilmore3536]

The book "silent Hunters" did a nice job of giving this chapters view on things. They are pretty awesome.

[@bambam-gj2vw]

Yeah they are really scarry in the book, it's great. In terms of psychological torture they could teach even the nightlords one or two things.

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@bambam-gj2vw NL are your slav criminals who shiv people for lols. Charcarodons are your muted version ones whose vibes like they're gonna make sure you bleed profusely first before death.

[@someracoon76]

My favorite chapter by far, the fact that their very stealthy at times including their leader who is the largest space marine ever is hilarious also dk’s idea of their founding on an ocean world where they learn to love hunting from hunting animals on their sea world is dope and should be cannon

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

Considering there is a *tribe* that revolves around hunting underwater and litteraly adapted to it, it would be really fitting for space sharks

[@jahjah7940]

What I like about the Carcharodons, is that they are quite literally monstrous, bloodthirsty beasts, but when engaged with friendly chapters, they are actually pretty chill guys.

[@Archon3960]

Yeah, as chill as sharks can be. B)

[@dueinuremom5082]

I’d like to imagine their corrupted salamanders. They are aggressively lonely so what if it’s like salamanders without the power of friendship on their side. They also maintain their own stuff.

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

Yeah, but they maintain their equipment in a ramshackle way... No son of Vulkan can accept that!!!

[@lordfarquad8913]

Big nope

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732 perhaps that would be another dark reflection of the Salamanders that they would represent. But, I must say, the way they maintain and modify their gear is very... Iron Hands in a way...

[@tictak959]

I JUST finished reading Silent Hunters like a few weeks ago and that was my first exposure to the space sharks. Ever since I've fallen in love with them as a chapter, they are the most UNHINGED fuckers in space and I love them for it

[@caseyharris3551]

You gotta read RedTithe/ Outer Dark next! They set up characters that show up in Silent Hunters.

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Unhinged fuckers sums up charcarodons accurately

[@reillycurran8508]

Venom Milkers is quite possibly one of the most cursed pairs of words I have ever seen put together. Bravo DK.

[@13legomania]

With the Māori aesthetic, now I’m imagining a bunch of space marines doing a Hakka war dance

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

four Squads of Space sharks roll up, Do a hakka, and the Horde of Deamons flinches away and flees back into the warp.

[@ekkovaan2261]

Tyberos the red wake. The man who had to have his terminator armour fitted with dreadnought parts because the terminator armour was too small. Oh and he can fucking run in the armour. Now theres something you dont want to see coming towards you, dark alley or no.

[@The_Horned_King]

That's horrifying, I love it

[@TheDubDisciple]

@@The_Horned_King You should check out his favourite weapons to bolt onto that suit of armor called Hunger and Slake. They are chain lightning claws. Yes you heard me right CHAIN LIGHTNING CLAWS Tyberos’s nickname of the Red Wake suddenly makes a lot more sense lmao

[@omegawilliam95s36]

Oh lawd he coming-

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@TheDubDisciple *Both my gauntlets belong to our Primarch. I got them when I beated the Ashen Claws chapter masters ass in a duel*

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

By hestimates he is about 11/12 feet tall when in full panoply of war. A REGULAR Terminator weighs in at about 1,5 tons. Tyberos, being much larger and his armor being bulked up, should weigh at a lower end of almost 4 tons and at the higher hand just shy of 5,5/6 tons. The armor isn't even made to run, at least not at the FREAKING 6O km/h that is a Space Marine pace. But does he give a shit? No. Why? 'Cause Red Wake, bitch

[@killianasheart5175]

YES! MY BOYS! One of my first 40k characters is a Carcharodons Deathwatch kill-marine.

[@orraklbenedict1832]

For the Void Father and the Forgotten One!

[@dusty0559]

"It's always great when real world cultures are represented so people can identify with them!" Me, a german: Yeah... about that...

[@orionlogan8114]

Gas mask noises intensify

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

Mechanized infantry sounds intensify (Armageddon steel legion Ala totally not whermact in brown winter gear)

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@PhthaloGreenskin dkok totally not WW1 Germans and frie korps mix of German influences. -frie korps are mercenary army by the wehrmar republic post WW1 whose a mix of battle hardened veterans and other mix infantry's after the peace treaty

[@latayantheazran]

Could be worse lol

[@mapleflag6518]

Just ignore the 30s and 40s

[@Ramsimation]

Finally, my chapter of choice has its time to shine

[@TheRandomNightLord]

Probably the only chapter that give my fear tactics a run for it’s money

[@slipstream9619]

Didn't they kick the night lords ass with their own tactics on a penal world? In the book red wake

[@TheRandomNightLord]

No…….

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@slipstream9619 *Yes, we did*

[@slipstream9619]

@@tyberostheredwake6153 thank you my lord

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@slipstream9619 *No problem little brother*

[@richardseaton2423]

I always like Charcharadon lore, because while it overtly is written quite mysteriously, parts of it let you figure out things as you go and piece the information together into things that it could be. For example, a concept I haven't seen here: Tyberos could very well be Konrad Curze. Both the names have similar linguistic origins in latin, both are 11 foot tall, and wield almost obscenely lethal talon weapons. Tyberos can sprint in Terminator armour (believed to be partly made from dreadnought plate), while most official Astartes can only hope to walk in it.. Konrad Curze was a terror, for a specific reason, and loathed criminal indulgences, and both Night Lords and Space sharks were extremely effective for it. Most critically, Tyberos, alongside speaking like and acting like Curze, is the only other known figure in the 40k universe to casually instil a fear response in Astartes. Even Night lords only manage stress, apprehension and dread at best, outside of an adrenaline response, but Tyberos can walk into a meeting of Space Marine Captains and make them afraid of him.

[@jackbaxter2223]

That would be a bit difficult, since Konrad Curse had his head cut off after the Heresy.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

@@jackbaxter2223nd Vulcan got dropped from orbit and has died (I think) twice what’s your point?

[@heckinboyo1656]

@@rynemcgriffin1752 Vulcan is quite literally a perpetual so he can't die

[@Andy_Sidaris]

@@heckinboyo1656 And how do you know Curze isn't?

[@natanlopes5254]

The Champions of this Chapter are called Great Whites, while the marines who fight in the squad style are called Hammer Heads. Whatchu think ?😉

[@S3verusMyG]

Are the Chapter masters Megaladons?

[@robertweiss9635]

I have over 3000pts if Carcharodons including Tyberos himself. I nearly busted when I saw this thumbnail. By far my favorite faction. Silent Hunters for future book club.👉👈🥺

[@caseyharris3551]

Gotta disagree, Void-Brother. Red Tithe or bust!

[@dukedevlan5457]

Do you have the forge world tyberos or a conversion I think his model needs a glow up

[@robertweiss9635]

@@dukedevlan5457 The forge world one, I think he looks good enough, but yeah some 3rd party ones are cool, but I play at a local gw store so no 3rd party units

[@dukedevlan5457]

@@robertweiss9635 yeah thats fair I wish his stats reflect the size and how much of a beast he is like making hime as big as a boxnaught and obviously give him more hp

[@LeviathansGrotto]

Painted my first space marines as Carcharodons. Love these guys.

[@robbybeckmeyer828]

"They love murder.....they love blood" And Korne loves them

[@stalinsoulz7872]

Imagine kharn literally becoming jealous

[@Brandon-ff1yo]

@@stalinsoulz7872 I would LOVE to see a tyberos V Kharn fight, not sure who would win and it two badasses facing off.

[@Ian.420]

Aww they didnt mention my favorite part about the space sharks. The ENTIRE chapter attacks at the same time in battle. Most chapters break up into groups of 100 or less. Not these crazy fuckers, whole chapter or nothing. They attack in a massive gore-spattered wave of power armor and chain swords. Thats the best part, man!

[@robertweiss9635]

Not true they spliter of into many small teams called hunts.

[@brandonhandleigh8646]

@@robertweiss9635 I believe what they mean is that the whole fleet travelling together operates in the same theatre of war, you wouldn’t have some in one segmentum and the rest in another. Badab for example the whole chapter comes to overwhelm, sharks go brrrr.

[@robertweiss9635]

@@brandonhandleigh8646 At least in the Silent Hunters novel they do branch off but large scale attacks always encompasses the whole chapter.

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

Kinda like the Minotaurs?

[@brandonhandleigh8646]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732 Based and moo pilled.

[@SnackBird]

When your chapter master is larger than Guilliman Certified space shark moment

[@blackstripes0812]

Is he really that big

[@BigBex]

THE Lad

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@blackstripes0812 *Yes*

[@alphariusomegon3965]

Probably a better fighter to

[@exponenttie9707]

@@blackstripes0812 "Tyberos The Red Wake" is his name, he wears Terminator armor that's been augmented with Dreadnought armor so he can fit in it, and it's still tight for him, the guy could probably give Vulcan a run for his money in size

[@JPooger]

Biggest space marine you have ever seen shows up. "Go on....probe me" I think the term your thinking of Bricky is "Dripped out" I always wonder about what if they combined gene seeds. Imagine if they mixed space shark and space wolf gene seeds...lol. I know its super heretic to think of..but imagine if they did in fact mess around mixing gene seeds of diff chaps.

[@theenigma8683]

I think if you mixed space wolf with space shark, Khorne would fuel Slaanesh with the nut he's gonna bust. That shit would be apex predator incarnate. Adding primaris onto it would just make the situation even more horrifying.

[@JPooger]

@@theenigma8683 lol i bet

[@jonezbonez2505]

Kinda sounds like something bile would do.

[@oceanman1687]

Kia Ora my brothers, I never thought I’d ever see Adeptus Ridiculous cover my favourite chapter and a part of my own culture in an episode. Kia Kaha, thank you guys.

[@Meuduso1]

There's not a lot of loyalist chapters I can picture using chain axes but the Carcharadons are 100% one of them

[@jaysonyoungman8772]

cool as this is they're really doing everything in they're power to avoid the blood angels, aren't they

[@jesselogan595]

(Clock gets reset)

[@stalinsoulz7872]

@@jesselogan595 -sigh- where all be moving on before we can get there considering the constant mentioning

[@muttproductions2536]

I swear to the Emperor, I've once seen the most spectacular and terrifying phenomena during a battle against Drukhari forces led by Asdrubael Vect where they retreated in fear. The phenomena in question was a bright, golden tornado...full of Carcharodons. We reclaimed a vital Imperial world from the most dangerous Drukhari alive, and to this very day none of us can explain how the Carcharodons pulled off such a stunt without the Divine Help of the Emperor himself. All I'm wondering is why they chose a tornado. The Angry Marines achieved the same psychological effect on the enemy with just a raging thunderstorm. So why a tornado for the Carcharodons? -Ave Deus Imperator

[@Si_Sireeni]

It was a whirlpool

[@battlesister1559]

Ever watched Sharknado?

[@H1storyGuyVODS]

LETS GOOOOOO. Really hope they do Badab sometime soon.

[@mr.potato2223]

With the yellow and black salamanders?

[@matthewyeldig4608]

41:02 And the last thing the heratic heard as the axe fell apon his neck was the cry that would echo through the entire chapter... "A!"

[@Vortexchalice69]

When the Carcharodons entered the Badab war, the first thing they did was attacking the Mantis Warriors chapter in the Endymion cluster. Needless to say they didn’t take many precautions against damaging infrastructure, plundering the various planets’ mineral resources as they hunted down the Mantis Warriors to near extinction. They even Launched a massive drop pod assault on Endymion Prime itself, ignoring the directions of the loyalist forces holding out on the battlefield and turning the entire planet into a war zone. By the end of the campaign the Carcharodons ruined at least a dozen inhabited planets. Millions were left rotting unburied or starving and the Mantis Warriors were no longer an effective fighting force. The conduct of the Space Sharks was so brutal that other more honorable loyalist chapters (fire angels) got angry and withdrew from the war.

[@subjectmichael1]

Would love to see you guys cover the Maccabian Janissaries at some point.

[@RavenMinis]

They said possibly a night lords successor, and I immediately wanted to make a carcharodon army..... damn you Bricky

[@Arnisboy]

If "so ridiculous they're cool" is the standard for the channel then AdRic definitely has to discuss the Black Dragons next

[@Jadguy24]

Paraphrase TFS Vegeta. “That’s so dumb, but they are so cool, but they are so dumb.”

[@robertbodkin9916]

Fun facts/info you may have missed. It's believed Hunger and Slake are the Primarch Weapons of Corvus Corax - Linking to the fact they may be a Raven Guard Successor. The Mechanicus have no records. Tyberos, the Red Wake is so big, he has to modify his Terminator Armour with Dreadnought armour cos he chunky. They have a few audiobooks - The main one to listen to if you like both the Space Sharks and Dark Elder is Silent Hunters. The Space Sharks are about as edgy/cringey the as the space wolves. You delve too deep and your like "oh god, I can feel the teen angst and edge, it hurts" or just "kinda cringe" but most space marines are kinda cringe if you think on them too much. They are just islander sharks like how the space Wolves are Viking wolves. At least the Space Sharks don't have Sharken or something stupid where you have the guy from suicide squad in WH40k. Oh, they have an interrogation method where they get the person to stair into the dark void of space and it causes them to go mad.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

The sharks are less cringe than the wolves but you find out the sharks cringe faster than the wolves since…. The fucking wolves are a legion and have more lore so theirs more buffer and less time for nitty gritty

[@TheDarkangelofshadow]

The whole idea of "the lore is a mix of awesome to SUPER dumb, but they look really cool" is how I feel about my grey knights

[@fernhausluv44]

Hey Bricky/DK/Shy, just thought I'd point out an inaccuracy: Charcarodons actually DO trade/have contact with the Mechanicus - they trade Archaeotech & artefacts for supplies and raw materials; these trades are known as 'grey tithes' (which you do mention later )(However large amount of Horus-heresy era tech is definitely true).

[@gregs1245]

The best working theory i have heard is the space sharks were founded by Jago Sevatarion after the siege of terra. And given a sanction as long as they stayed outside imperial borders unless called back by the inquisition.

[@lt_bacon205]

Honestly tho if The emperor or the Inquisition Called them back to terra OOOH BOY SHIT EITHER HIT THE FAN or the End times crusade is upon us (btw Ngl The space sharks would make Amazing Forward Covert ops units for a crusade) just recon and hit targets of opportunity before a Bigger Chapter comes in such as the Black templars or One of the Many Variations of Blood Ravens or imperial Fists

[@Eli-cb7tk]

27:16 DK, there's at least one *notable* ocean world in the Imperium. Just one issue. - It's Talassar. - It's an Ultramarine world

[@HunterSentinel]

26:43 they also go into a berserkr rage like a feeding frenzy once they strike. Wildly and brutally slaughtering their enemies!

[@cellectra3342]

36:15 as a new Zealander and a māori, you are correct bricky which is the reason why i love it so much

[@Volvith]

_Oh my god, my favourite chapter._ ... TYBEROS IS PLEASED.

[@Proto1Dude]

They bite, they fight, they're the Space Sharks! JAWSOME!

[@scurrystopthat9985]

Time to hear about the space megladon

[@2993LP]

You're gonna need a bigger Battle Barge...

[@abrarnoorani8385]

Damn, my computer crashed as soon as Bricky said; "They love murder,"

[@ichimaru96]

40k in general really is the epitome of, get into it at 14 for the edge, and stay with it as you mature and Actually find the character depth Like inquisition when you start "RAAAAA EXTERMINSTUS, HERESY BLEEEH" inquisition when reading anything by dan abnett "oh... I'm sad now" Inquisition when reading anything by sandy Mitchell "pwease notice me inquisitor vale UwU"

[@natemmerson6849]

Dk: "It's gunna be a big boobed squig" Shy: "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"

[@ethantaylor9613]

The bastard finally did it. He depicted a marine in the best armor mark, 8, errant! Sincerely, the one guy who plays deathwatch

[@zsolti357]

My shark boys got so much flak from bricky and clown it hurts me my soul.

[@themaster1dcp]

I'd love to see an upgrade sprue for them some day, easily my favorite loyalists. I want MORE of them.

[@sirgaz8699]

"If you punch their teeth out will they grow back like a sharks" You know, I kinda feel like that's something a regular marine would have? Marines live so long they'd have to go through many sets over their lifetime. Or secretly every marine has dentures? (edit: made out of the regrowing crystals you make chainblades out of because why not, 40K!)

[@omegawilliam95s36]

Orks use their teef for chain weapons.

[@unsmote1560]

Oh snap, my favorite space marine chapter. Only question I have is whether or not Tyberos the Red Wake will be able to become a primaris and if he does how huge he will become (seeing as how Space Marines become larger after the primaris augmentation).

[@andreipoplauschi180]

Arent Primaris NEW Marines? Can Firstborn even become Primaris?

[@SPGaming-jm8wi]

@@andreipoplauschi180 They can, the process is called "Rubicon Primaris" and is essentially an implantation surgery for the extra organs the primaris have. The thing is that it has like a 70% or something mortality rate, so a lot of chapters are iffy about it because in a best case scenario where all 1000 marines go primaris, you'll be left with 300 based on statistics.

[@andreipoplauschi180]

@@SPGaming-jm8wi Hot damn!?! Now i imagine primaris Tyberos,screw terminator armor he would need either full dreadnought armor or a combination of terminator and maybe a small knight like an arminger armor,the mf would make Guiliman look up

[@SinCitysOnly]

I believe the technical term for how big Tyberos would be of he crossed the Rubicon Primaris is... lemme double check.... yes, the term is "goddamn butt-fuck huge". He's probably be a big as the giants of the Primarchs, Magnus and Angron.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

@@SinCitysOnly *In full panoply I am almost 12 feet. After the Rubicon? Finding a decent fitting armor will be a BITCH*

[@ExtremeEnthusiast704]

Bricky thinking the space sharks are edgy and over the top while loving night lords, sisters of battle and astra militarum is insanity.

[@morgrogskullkraka6393]

Wooooo Space Sharks, they fight, they bite, they strike with imperial might.

[@adamthompson7135]

My favorite chapter. I've been looking forward to this.

[@Demonnen]

"Don't talk to me or my battle brother ever again."

[@FerreusVir]

Probably the coolest part of the Carcharodons books was when someone was watching a video of Night lords and them fighting in complete violent silence.