Retroid Pocket 5 vs AYN Odin 2 Mini: is $129 too much more?

[@adinwalls]

I never spoke about aesthetics here. I know this will be a fairly contentious issue, but I think the Odin 2 mini is way better looking. What do you think?

[@wolfwangdelosmonteros7134]

Agree

[@sarahdaviscc]

Oh no, the bezel-less screen of the RP5 makes that device look way better to me.

[@Time-Travelling-Lesbian]

RP5 all the way, the sleek edge to edge screen with zero bezels and all glass front make it look so nice, the game cube color version especially is beautiful

[@4leafclover243]

But almost the price is a hard pill to swallow

[@articex]

The rp5 is ugly as hell.

[@deliciouslunch]

Wow, you somehow made a video targeted at exactly my "dilemma". I can't tell you how nice it is to find a direct comparison between these two devices like this.

[@amaurytorres9978]

I’m also torn between these 2 for my first retro handheld. Just curious, which are you leaning more towards?

[@adinwalls]

I'm so glad!

[@adinwalls]

Hey man, if you have the money, get the Odin 2 mini. Especially if you like a beautiful design.

[@Stunnax757]

@@amaurytorres9978 I have the Odin mini and the retroid mini, I looooove the retroid OLED but the power and comfort of the Odin are what win me over, easily.

[@Stunnax757]

​@@adinwallsas a fellow Odin 2 mini lover, if you didn't already have review units, could you see yourself purchasing the RP5 with your own money despite already owning the Odin 2 mini?

[@Guitario666]

I think the difference in price between the two is huge. $120 usd is $170 in my currency. This puts the mini in a totally different price range.

[@bobthegreattt]

Yeah, in canada it’s $290 vs $450 between the two.

[@adinwalls]

Yes this is true. But I know alot of people are sitting on the fence with these two leading into Christmas.

[@Guitario666]

@adinwalls good point.

[@BenuraSlingra]

Yep this goes from expensive handheld to luxury splurge handheld.

[@CuriousTinkering]

Also, if people just buy the device to play a certain system, it may be cheaper to buy the actual system. For example Switch, non of these devices will play Switch games that well. If people buy this just to play Switch, it’s better to just buy a real Switch.

[@sandplasma]

I preordered the RP5 and sold the RP4 Pro. Didnt even use the pro much. I need one device to keep and use so i can sell all others. The more you have the less you use them.

[@DCoop-uo2wq]

Why do you think you will play the rp5 more than you did the 4 pro?

[@sandplasma]

@DCoop-uo2wq ill be selling everything else, just keeping this one.

[@pleasuretokill]

​@@sandplasmauntil the RP5 Pro comes out.... but... I get it. Why not always have the best?

[@citruesilver]

So very true...

[@DCoop-uo2wq]

@@sandplasma what other devices do you have out of curiosity?

[@solidust573]

All of these reviewers might not realize it but these reviewers are collectively designing the next generation of Retroids. By this time next year we could see the perfect price/performance retro handheld.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

That target will never be hit because it's always moving. RP5 is already fantastic

[@chrismckenna6183]

They say that every year 😂

[@solidust573]

@mechanicalmonk2020 I agree 100% I'm so Impressed with the RP5 that I decided to preorder it a week ago. Right now it's the best bang for the buck next to the RpMini

[@TheRealAlpha2]

The bottle neck will always be Android, you can keep throwing power at the problem, but at the end of the day the emulation development has to move forward or it's just a waste. While the Linux stuff is still early, it's early and good so I can imagine it getting better because that power will potentially be doing something more than overcoming lagging development.

[@pwnswoggle]

The business model of these companies is to never have a perfect handheld so that people keep buying/collecting them. That's why all these dorks have youtube channels and like 50 handhelds in the background

[@fullsend4976]

I think that’s why I ultimately decided on the RP5 instead of the Odin 2 and Odin Portal. Between its handheld size, OLED screen, cheaper price, ability to still play some lightweight switch games, and comfortability. I already have a switch, so no need to emulate it

[@SicketMog]

Probably not a bad choice. I JUST got a RP4P AND an Odin 2 Max (both for a steal of a price) but otherwise would've gone for the RP5. D-pad on top for the lightweight stuff, that beauty of a screen, would like better Switch emulation.

[@Stevanvel]

For that price difference I ordered Retroid Dock, extra buttons and carrying case. I also purchased usb c to hdmi cable and sd card. This is my first handheld retro emulation device and it checks everything I need. I'll also use it to stream my PC games on to my living room TV.

[@adinwalls]

I'm sure you'll love it!!

[@oOTheMastaOo240]

The RP5 would've been an easy pick if it had the left stick on top. Such a major flaw imo

[@PhenomRom]

asymmetrical analog sticks is ass. its much better to have them both at the bottom in the vita layout

[@NickBaysingar]

I think the main deciding factor is gonna be how important Switch emulation is for you. The Odin 2 Mini can handle quite a bit more than the Retroid Pocket 5 when it comes to Switch. That being said, the black RP5 in particular has a nice "bonus feature" thanks to the OLED screen and its bezel-less design. Letterboxes blend in seamlessly with the front of the device, which just looks really slick. We haven't really seen this on any other retro handheld until now and I think it's a great feature that I really want to see on more devices going forward. In fact, I think the black Odin 2 Portal will be this way since it shares many of the same design elements as the RP5. If you don't really care about the bezel-less design though, then I still think the O2M's mini LED display is fantastic. The vignetting/gradient and bloom everyone likes to bring up is something I have never actually noticed while gaming. The only way I really notice it is if I crank the brightness up beyond necessary levels and go looking for it. Now...is it as good as OLED? No. But I would say it's like 85% of the way there from an IPS LCD, which is damn good in my books.

[@adinwalls]

Hey. Okay so you're an Odin 2 mini owner? I also enjoy the extra power on 3DS games.

[@ekinteko]

​@@adinwalls One thing I will point out is the overall experience. Something like the Retroid Pocket 2S or 5 Mini, should be small enough to grab with your keys, wallet, and phone and rush out the door. It should fit into your pocket and be comfortable. Then be useful outdoors. The Retroid Pocket 3 was already stretching the limits of size. And it's slowly creeped up to the Retroid Pocket 5 and the AYN Odin2 Mini. If you cannot slide these in your pockets, then you cannot take them outdoors with you, which means they are not the same device we thought them to be. They are something different, in a new category. Something that you would have to carry in a backpack, which is inconvenient and not always possible, making it a deliberate choice. So then why settle. This opens up the option to bring many other devices instead. Arguably the Retroid Pocket 5 is a bad experience when compared to the large AYN Odin2, and the even larger Valve SteamDeck. And all three are the same size: backpack category. It's just the Valve unit is far more capable, and much more comfortable.

[@ekinteko]

​@@adinwalls Ideally, if I had to design the next Retroid Pocket 6, here is how I would do it: USD $300 QC 7g2+, 16GB, 256GB, 4000mAh 200 grams 180mm x 80mm x 15mm 5.0 inch screen, 16:9 ratio, 1080p AMOLED Horizontal Layout It is a mostly boxy design, like the Anbernic RG 405M. Construction is Matte Plastic for the Retro Feel. Scratch Resistant, Grippy, and doesn't smidge from fingerprints. Left and Right sides are flush empty Bottom side has microHDMI, USB-C, 3.5mm jack, there's also a little lanyard hole on either side for left or right handed users. Top side has inline shoulder buttons, power button, volume rocker, slider, and the other inline shoulder buttons. Inline shoulder buttons are superior to Stacked shoulder pads because they do a good enough job, while making the device significantly sleeker and easier to pocket Front of the device has the screen in centre, no bezels Left side has the joystick up top Left speaker Back and Home buttons Then 4 Action Buttons at bottom Right side has the right joystick above Then the right speaker Then Start and Select buttons Then 4 Action Buttons down below ....this design is very comfortable for playing 3D Games, as the joysticks and shoulder buttons are the primary input. And the highest action button on both sides are okay to reach. But the other three buttons on either side are difficult and uncomfortable to press, but are do-able, and fine if the game doesn't require them to be used very often. But what if you wanted to play a 2D Game. That's where Kangal genius comes into play. You hit the slider on the top. It flips the screen 180' It also flips the speakers left/right It also flips the orientation of the joysticks (so up is now down, and the left one is the right one, etc etc) It also flips the Action Buttons. All the buttons and everything can be configured in the Settings. In addition, you can open up the device and replace the buttons. You can have two sets of Action Buttons, or even two sets of D-Pads, or have the D-Pad on the right side. It is customisable. Also the joystick caps can be removed, and replaced with short travel or long travel arms. And with concave or convex heads. All these extra buttons will be in the box, as well as two lanyard straps, and even a basic plastic holder/dock, cable, and fast charger. It is ready for gifting. Now the back of the device is mostly flush. It does have the logo. There is no Active Fans, it's just a modest device, with excellent Passive Cooling instead so that it stays cool and silent The back cover does come off. From there you have a User Removable Battery, and can essentially double or triple the battery life by carrying these small batteries in your pocket. Inside you can access the microSD slot. You also can access the screws which holds the housing together, so it is very user friendly and serviceable. Like all the other devices, this is not water resistant (IP68) but it is rather splash resistant (IP56). And this particular design means it will be the best device money can buy for many years. All subsequent devices will have less battery life, since they can't hot-swap. And due to how serviceable this is, it will last the distance. The specs are smart enough to keep the costs down, but beefy enough to emulate from Atari upto Wii, Xbox, PS Vita, and NSwitch. And maybe some Windows XP emulation. It won't be able to do 360, PS3, WiiU, PS4, or Windows 7/10 Games. Those systems are better experienced on an x86 device that is larger and portable, like the Steam Deck OLED or ROG Ally X.

[@NickBaysingar]

@@adinwalls I can definitely see that being another selling point. Me personally, I typically don't find DS/3DS emulation to be a great experience on smaller 16:9 displays, outside of titles that didn't rely on both screens too much. But that's obviously not the O2M's fault. I kind of hope one of these companies releases a new clam shell dual screen device at some point, since we only have like 2 or 3 of them right now...and one of them is an enormous block that is prohibitively expensive. Anyway, the extra horsepower is undoubtedly the main thing that sets the O2M apart from the RP5, and that benefit is going to manifest in multiple ways, as you pointed out. I just think Switch emulation would probably be the main deciding factor for a lot of people.

[@jordanrayo2425]

@@NickBaysingar I found my LG G8X & V50s with a Dualscreen to be the best with nds and 3ds. It can play GameCube Wii ps2 ps1 psp switch, & because it’s android I still have access to android games and the dual screen is perfect for both NDS & 3DS it looks amazing with the P Oled Screen😅 You can find them new for $150-200 dollars beats buying the rp5

[@SiriusSdz]

Preordered the Odin 2 Mini Pro and it is my main Emulation Handheld for almost everything. Feels good to have so much power in such a small, comfortable device.

[@adinwalls]

Ah man, it's great isn't it? All I want now is Steam for Android and I'm a happy camper.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Beyond a certain price point Android stops being cost effective for emulation without a shake up in development. The RP5 is not quiet at that point and still fairly decent value for what it can do reliably. When you started getting into Odin pricing I start thinking "okay, a Steamdeck LCD is large but..." for portability and price the RP5 is winning for over in the value category, and I will always prefer Dpad on top, Period.

[@sharktooth30yt48]

I was able to have the opportunity to test the two devices myself, and these are my overall thoughts regarding the screens in particular, and how to choose the right device to buy. I hope this can help anyone that is struggling to make the choice as I was also stuck between these two for weeks. Personally, I did not find the screen leap that considerable, but the extra size does give sone favor to the RP5. You are looking at (RP5: 60Hz, 107% sRGB, 500Nits, 5.5Inches), and the Odin 2 Mini (60Hz, 155% sRGB, 1100Nits, 5Inches). The O2M has a higher sRGB, which means it is more vibrant, but more saturated and less accurate from 100% sRGB. Note that you can change this in the Display Settings too if you prefer more accurate colors by turning off screen enhancement on the Odin. The MiniLed has a contrast ratio that holds so well, that you would not be able to tell the difference between a black image with the device on maximum brightness vs the device turned off, meaning the blacks are on par with the OLED. The things to look out for are Vignetting, which in my opinion, is a non-issue in real life, and it only looks considerable when it's filmed. Blooming on the other hand only affects me in scenarios of white text on an empty black screen with extra dim on. (Bright objects against a dark background are displayed less accurately.) Overall, it is really hard to compared the two devices unless you have them both in real life to make a choice. I thought the O2M's screen would be underwhelming according to reviews, but it was the completely opposite, and it blew me away as much as and alongside the RP5's size. IMO, the RP5 and O2M are fairly different devices, and their prices reflect that. After all, under MooreChip, Retroid caters for the Mid-End, and AYN caters for the more premium end, where they occupy different parts of the market and is shown through their chipset choice. If you do not need the extra power and do not mind tweaking some settings on PS2 for example, the RP5 has very very good value for what it brings to the handhelds table. Otherwise, against the O2M, the price and physical feel of the devices are completely different, and you definitely pay for what you get. To finish, ask yourself questions if you want stick top, better ergonomics, better performance, much better speakers, extra vibrancy, quieter buttons, brighter screen, in compromise of price, screen size, slightly less battery, no linux, and more ambient heat.

[@koldwolf]

In terms of build quality you would defintiely go for the od2m?

[@Chenyuan0925]

Have been waiting for this comparison video for a while before Black Friday and it seems you are the first one to do it, thanks.

[@adinwalls]

Hey man. There's a lot more to discuss than in my video and I'm testing these two alot so if you have any questions let me know.

[@bassderek]

I love how clean and modern your studio space looks... I need to work on improving my cramped little corner studio.

[@adinwalls]

Hey thanks. I'm fortunate that I had this space available before the channel started growing. I never did much. Just bought the fake plant and put a few ornaments I like on the shelf... And a photo of my beloved dog...

[@RaduPNT]

Ok I understand, I need to wait for Retroid Pocket 6, thx for the video.

[@SavingPrivateBob]

Retroid produce the most beautiful handhelds, but I'm still waiting on the next gen like you. I feel like RP10 will be enough to satisfy me 😂

[@RaduPNT]

@@SavingPrivateBob C'mon, don't need it in my 80 😅

[@sigerlion8608]

Exactly. I'll wait until an RP can play PS3 games LOL

[@RaduPNT]

@@sigerlion8608 Whaaaaat?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Blobberoni]

RP5 for me. Hoping for a 6" OLED Odin 3 next year. I also agree about the grip, I hope they make one like the 4pro has. Etsy will probably have it covered if not.

[@adinwalls]

The Ayn Portal is essentially the Odin 2 with a bigger and nicer screen for streaming.

[@pambarth3183]

Your videos are always so insightful. Thank you for your honesty.

[@adinwalls]

Thanks man I am trying.

[@jg2722]

3:15 this is very useful to see. Like you said , it’s probably better to just spend the extra money to ensure that the games run better upscaled. However the corners of the odin screen is kinda distracting.

[@LuisCassih]

RP5 screen looks really nice, I like the bezel-less design. But the PS Vita inspired design of the Odin 2 Mini is so attractive for me, I love the PS Vita.

[@adinwalls]

Yes the design makes it extra special

[@toycoma98]

I wish they did the odin 2 mini with no bezels. I dont like the bezels, but love the design

[@juizy_media]

By next year, new model should be better, would buy new odin 3 mini in a heartbeat

[@LuisCassih]

@@juizy_media yeah, I'm going to wait a little bit more, I hope they still keep the psvita design.

[@100nadzmi]

Your narration, voice and British accent is really good explaining things. How come you had few suscriber

[@rrahll]

Thanks! This is was my question before I start searching reviews in the KZbin. Liked and subscribed!

[@adinwalls]

Thank you!

[@thewebsiteisdown7720]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but with Retroid you're always chasing the next device. If you bought a 4 Pro, even if you sell it, after the cost of a 5 you could have just bought an Odin 2 model. The Odin (2, Mini, Portal) is only limited by the emulator vs the Retroid which is limited on specs and usually has build quality issues.

[@adinwalls]

Very good point

[@rtzgf67games7]

It’s a fair point for sure, but I think it’s not really necessary to buy the new device every time. If you don’t need the improvements then don’t buy it. Many people are content with their purchase. Though if you don’t need the sell your old device, then the odins certainly seem more worth it

[@rtzgf67games7]

**If you don’t need your old device Don’t know what I did there haha

[@bobrobin5510]

Odin 2 is superior, Oled is not a big deal.

[@Omgtired]

Now we need RP5 vs RG406H comparison! really on the ropes what to pick up for the holiday season!

[@adinwalls]

Hey man. Ooooh that's a tough one for other reasons. Was just thinking this morning, I would love a 4:3 RP5 haha. With the new joystick the RG406H is such a great device. But emulating things like WiiU on the RP5 is great and probably wins the race between the two.

[@Omgtired]

@adinwalls I see, thanks for the video and the reply. Well, I guess I am going to wait and see what are the prices in my country. Rp5 looks sexy aswell

[@rodrigofrancis5598]

Não sei se ajuda, mas eu estou realmente certo em pegar o RG 406H, pois ele terá algo que faz dele único, que é a tela 4:3, com isso você terá muito mais compatibilidade com os games retror. É uma boa potência para jogá-los. Eu atualmente uso um S23 Ultra e gamepad, que me dá a sensação de estar com um portátil com tela 16:9. Por isso quero tanto o 406H.

[@odkKoma]

Looking at how competitive the devices have become, I‘m waiting for another round. E.g. ODIN2mini with OLED or RP5 with better chip and button layout

[@M_CFV]

Odin 3 mini would be really good, snapdragon 8 gen 3 already is making rounds with Winlator performance. Cant imagine gen 4

[@MithosDagon]

Yep, I have the Odin 2 Mini Pro and love it, but also wish it was OLED

[@Walfie_]

Thank you for this video! I was literally trying to decide which one of these to get. I got the odin 2 mini coming in tomorrow and I was still debating between it and RP5.

[@adinwalls]

Hehe. I think you made the right choice. Honestly either is great.

[@bababooey8688]

Great info. You are truly a Portable Gaming God!!!! Thank you!!!!!!

[@adinwalls]

Waha well that's a first but I will take it, thank you!

[@SirNioH]

the price difference in currency means that the odin is twice the price, not counting the taxes that will surely be added to the price.

[@ThibaultCabanas]

I like that you quote the RG556 at the very end! I was seriously considering the RP5, but when I get back my 556 in my hand I though "man, it’s SO COMFORTABLE, there is no way I could go down" 🙃 Plus the screen is nearly on par with the RP5 one, and I don’t really nead to play anything upper than Gamecube anyway. So never saying never but I think I can wait a bit more 😂

[@adinwalls]

Good call! And now imagine the 556 with Snapdragon and better sticks. You'll be in heaven.

[@Spongegoose]

The nice thing about the Odin 2 Mini for me is it just fits in my pocket. The length can dig a bit into my hip but if I tilt it, there's no issues. I find length to be a bigger issue with these devices for pocketability.

[@adinwalls]

And the RP5 is even longer!

[@piodelgado2890]

I did that exactly the day I received my RP Mini. I was thinking, why should I get a 5.5" version of this same device when the Odin 2 Mini exists? Now I'm just waiting delivery.

[@piodelgado2890]

I might add, for everyone watching this video and reading my comment above. RPMini has more or less the same performance as the RP5 even with 2GB less of ram if you take into account that the RPMini is only rendering a 4:3 ratio instead of 16:9 Is Gamecube and PS2 emulation flawless? No There are still some hiccups here and there even at 1x resolution. If that still is a dealbreaker for you please get an Odin 2 instead. Sources: I already have an Odin 2 Max and an RPMini

[@JJZZ-b6l]

The comparison we need. Thank you for making this.

[@101wonderment]

i value weight so much, hence why i picked the RP5 instead! thanks for the comparison

[@adinwalls]

Yes this was a bit more of a relaxed video but I do the weights in my first look vid.

[@oiedave]

Wow .. amazing review.. very clear and well explained.. thank you.. greetings from Mexico

[@adinwalls]

Thanks so much!

[@Smoje79]

The big downsize of OD2 Mini is that 5'' screen especially after having the RP4+ with 4,7''... the ideal product should be the RP5 exterior with screen and all the inside of the Mini (ram, processor and some components)

[@adinwalls]

I really don't notice the screen size that much. Even though it is a considerable difference. I notice it more moving from the Retroid Pocket Mini to the Anbernic RG405m

[@Ankohmst]

Totally agree

[@B1ackLeo]

This is what I wanted! So many others missed this opportunity to compare. I know the Odin 2 mini has more power under the hood, but so what... DEATH BATTLE!!!

[@adinwalls]

Haha yup

[@anonymoususer6109]

Another great vid! Thanks for evaluating these! Do you find any differences in the UI of using either system, or is it much the same?

[@adinwalls]

Much the same. A few small differences.

[@leemacklin2948]

The video we've wanted! Thanks!

[@adinwalls]

Thank YOU 👍

[@brandongabel]

Great stuff, this is the kind of comparison we need! I was considering selling my life for the Odin 2 mini right after I got the 4 Pro about 6 months ago, but ultimately couldn’t justify the price. Plus, I didn’t care about Switch emulation which was really the deciding factor. Now the 5, that’s a totally different story. The slight performance bump is nice, but I’m more interested in how incredible the OLED screen is, and the fact that it’s basically the same form factor with almost a full inch bigger of a screen at such a small boost in price from the 4 Pro. Factor in the better battery once Retroid fix the software issues, and I’d say upgrading is well worth it. I did the same for the Steam Deck OLED when it came out and it was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made, so I have a feeling this will be the same.

[@adinwalls]

Streaming my Steam game on the RP5 has been really nice. The screen is lovely.

[@Kevin-Schmevin]

THIS is the video comparison I was waiting for

[@adinwalls]

You're welcome! 😀

[@whammzy]

So im thinking i either want the rp5 or the mini 2. I have an offer for one for $300 (340 after shipping and tax) for the pro model. Money isnt that big of a deal. Which do you think i should get?

[@vinardo88]

In my country RP5 is almost half the price of the Odin. While I wanted the Odin, I can't justify almost double the price

[@jqweary]

That RP5 screen just gleaming in the lights 😂😎

[@Mou91BLN]

Dude! You are awesome! ❤ I love your personality etc. ✌🏻 Best regards from Berlin!

[@adinwalls]

Thank you. Hey I have a friend here from Dusseldorf 😊

[@Mou91BLN]

​​@@adinwalls Hey. Thats nice! Enjoy the time. 😁👌🏻 It's a cool city but not like Berlin 😂. You have to visit it some day. Stay like you are and your channel will grow. In my opinion you are one of the faces in this retro gaming universe. 👌🏻✌🏻

[@joshuaniesen5531]

Okay, I have a surprise dilemma this black Friday. I was all set on the retroid Pocket 5 and that's what I wanted. I won a 100 dollar off coupon for Ayn for the Odin series in a drawing. I am now at a loss. Should I consider an Odin 2 or Odin mini over the RP5? I never looked into the Odin series due to price but now it is within reach. What does everyone think? I need to know by Dec 2nd! The base odin 2 mini base is the SAME price as the RP5 at discount please help!

[@adinwalls]

If you don't mind a large device, definitely go for the Odin 2

[@steamdeckknights8978]

Why hasnt anybody shown off the grip??

[@MetroHuman]

Awesome comparison! How would you rate the speakers/audio quality between the two? 🙂

[@adinwalls]

Hey there. I've been switching between the two alot since I got the 5 and while it's by a small amount, the Odin 2 mini seems to have better sound.

[@MetroHuman]

Thanks, that could be the deciding factor for me. The brighter screen (1100 nits) of the Odin 2 Mini is also appealing (the Retroid Pocket 5 allegedly has a 500 nits screen). Have you by chance compared the two devices outside/in the sun? 🌞

[@ryansmurda1552]

If i order the RP5 from the link in your description, how long approximately does it take to ship to the US?

[@adinwalls]

Hey if they have stock ready it'll ship quite quickly. I'm not sure about the US. Probably less than a week.

[@Kamuyy]

I got the RP5 first but I had so many issues. First unit I got would randomly turn the screen on when charging, no matter which cable/plug/wall socket I used. Replacement unit had really blown out sound, and the retailer gave me so much flack for attempting to return that one (can’t fix it myself because my fingers are injured from an accident) that I gave up and put the device up for sale with the notice that the speakers needed to be fixed. I got the Odin 2 mini despite having the Odin 2 Pro because I wanted a smaller device and I couldn’t be happier.

[@adinwalls]

I’m sorry to hear about your issues with the RP5.

[@catwoe5707]

Can I say I love your intro sequence? Gets me hyped for the rest of the video! Hello from Greece

[@adinwalls]

Yeeha! My friend just visited Greece 💙

[@ReallyNotTrixYT]

As Joey Retro Handheld's showed recently, games that run badly with PS2 emulation in general - like The Getaway - won't run well on either device. So in some cases throwing more power at it won't make those games playable

[@bamik89]

Actually you need to use pal version to run the getaway

[@adinwalls]

This is true for some games but the overall experience is that more power equals better performance across the board.

[@ReallyNotTrixYT]

@@adinwalls Tbf, it may run better with EtherealSX2 - and it may run worse. We'll have to see soon >.>

[@pillowgood1318]

@@ReallyNotTrixYT OH don't get me started. I got into a feud with "The Getaway", trying to run it on various handheld. It stuttered on all of them. I eventually got on my Onexplayer that can boost clock up to 5hgz and it ran, but grudgingly.

[@Synplex]

Honestly, I have too many of these handheld including the Odin 1 and 2, 3 Analog pockets, and retroid pocket 4 Pro. I'll just tell anyone that's thinking about getting the more powerful Odin 2 mini has to understand that it is not fun to play those console level games meant for TV on a screen smaller than 5 inches. I would just get the retro pocket 5 and save the money.

[@user-pn9pp2xd3u]

Thank you for that

[@furorentonori5838]

sell all your devices

[@SirNioH]

Thank you for your comment. I'm from Colombia, and the ODIN costs me a bit more than twice the price of the RP5. To be honest, I just want to indulge in my wish to have a portable PS2, as the PSVita and PSP catalog feels somewhat frustrating to me-it tends to include PS2 games but in heavily cut-down versions.

[@washuai]

I'm wondering rp mini vs odin 2 mini, cuz I really want pocketable. I really was disappointed with the rp 5, rp mini glass front design

[@adinwalls]

The Odin 2 mini is fairly pocketable but quite heavy. The RP Mini obviously wins in pocketability but that screen is quite small. But it is a really nice device. I like the glass front design but that's something you'll have to decide.

[@Setzer777]

Thanks for making this video. I'm still undecided on which one to get. Price isn't a concern and I prefer the design of the O2M more but the screen of the RP5 just looks amazing and I don't know if it was the settings you were using on your O2M but the screen on it looked dim and the colors washed out compared to the RP5. Another factor in my decision is portability. Would you say the O2M and the RP5 are pocketable?

[@adinwalls]

Neither are pocketable. The O2M is heavy and the RP5 has those bulges. The RP5 is a little bit more portable I would say.

[@Setzer777]

​@@adinwalls Do you still have your TrimUI Smart Pro? How does the O2M compare in size to it? Because I currently carry the TSP around in my pocket. I don't think I would mind the extra weight as long as they were similar in size.

[@adinwalls]

@Setzer777 the mini is 3 to 4 mm larger around the edged and considerably heavier: mini - 339g, smart pro - 261g

[@Setzer777]

@adinwalls Thanks

[@geffgorg9600]

I went ahead and bought the RP5 and i'm very glad I did honestly. It looks and feels super premium, i like the ergonomics a lot, and it's surprised me just how many games it can play. considering the price point, its an excellent value for money.

[@sarahdaviscc]

I was so keen to buy an RP5 but I'm worried about the ergonomics :/ I think I'll hold off until the next gen.

[@adinwalls]

Why are you worried about the ergonomics?

[@sarahdaviscc]

Two things, the major one is that I'm worried that without much inserting of the joystick it'll be uncomfortable to use the D-Pad for extended periods. I'm also a little worried that games using both sticks might be hard to play as the balance/hold will be precarious.

[@Nando75549]

I have an important question, which device runs switch games better, Odin 2 Mini or Retroid Pocket 5?

[@adinwalls]

Odin 2 mini

[@Nando75549]

​@@adinwalls Then Odin 2 Mini it is. The reason I asked is becaused I hacked my switch not too long ago and I wanna dump my library to another device incase if anything bad happens to the console. I was originally going for a steam deck, but I don't like how too wide it is.

[@xblindx]

I agree with your assessment My personal “quibble“ or nitpick with the retroid 5 is ironically, it’s TOO premium feeling. I know a lot of people will disagree but i feel like the piano black aesthetics are reserved for premium devices (phones?) growing up, consoles felt plasticky BUT durable. I liked the feel of retroid pocket 4 even if its ergonomics were less than ideal and the screen wasn’t as big as i would have liked I don’t like the feeling of having to baby my handheld console and wiping smudges to make it look pristine. Give me a premium bezel-less / minimum bezel screen and matte plastic the rest of it IMO

[@adinwalls]

I'm with you. There are some complaints that the Retroid Pocket 4 felt like a toy (which it is!) but I loved the plastic and the wacky options. I like the new design but I am going to miss the old aesthetic.

[@azzaisme]

I think one other thing to think about is why bother with more than 3x resolution. It's a 1080p screen, you won't be able to see the extra pixels.

[@Joostmhw]

When it comes to upscaling the benefit of going above your resolution isn't as visible as going up to that point but it's not pointless entirely. You're rendering the space more accurately meaning that there will be small differences between an image rendered at 2x the screen resolution vs 3x the screen resolution. With the higher one being more accurate to the intended visuals. This is because long story short 3d models are not image files that are set at a resolution but more like a recipe for your processor to cook. With the same recipe but different quality cookware one would make better food than with worse cookware. Same story here, the recipe is what is in the game files, so it can be made to look better with better hardware.

[@FadedBlackout67]

Literally the same dilemma I’ve been having ever since the RP5 was announced I’m gonna wait and see if there’s any price drops for the mini 2 pro once the Odin 2 portal comes out, or hopefully they have a decent Black Friday/cyber Monday deal

[@rfbthree]

Seems to me like the devices are almost equally good if they were both $220, problem is they're not even close to the same price. Odin 2 Mini: Better Processor (affects few games), better joysticks Retroid Pocket 5: Better Screen, Better OS options Toss Up: Button & stick placement, Ergonomics, size, overall quality

[@Dalmatinac3]

Playing most switch games on my odin 2 mini. So glad i got it.

[@skullboy4293]

I have a silly question, do you use a screen protector for rp5? Is it useful or can we do without it?

[@adinwalls]

Hey there. I ordered a bunch of accessories but they generally only have those ready a bit later. So unfortunately you'll have to wait if you want a review of that. I also ordered a backplate for the rp5, the back cover for the mini and replacement buttons for the mini because I really want that Famicom red in my life haha.

[@monolithsoft_guy]

Regarding the stick placement, I gotta wonder: Did you dislike the controllers of PS1, PS2 and PS3, too, or is there something unique going on with the RP5 that makes its stick placement uncomfortable? I'm just wondering, because the DualShock with the same stick placement was pretty popular after all.

[@rillagoo]

I was debating the Odin 2 mini, but found a GPD Win 4 for $380 on Ali express. Obviously not a 1 for 1 but I’m up for trading the battery life for x86 power.

[@businessmike2371]

I would pick GPD at that price as well.

[@aurelios69]

For that price it has to be a scam

[@d0minant24]

Which APU on the Win4 did you get for that price? Easily would get a Win4 over an O2 Mini myself for that price.

[@afbecerra670]

Is there really a big performance/power difference between RP4pro and 5? You have to consider that RP just got the 4pro on sale and is 130 usd, taking that into account, would you still getting the 5 over the 4 pro?

[@adinwalls]

It's a very similar argument to Odin 2 mini vs RP5. How much power do you want? But given that great price the RP5pro wins... With a grip...

[@Frank-os6gq]

Just curious whats your favorite windows handheld right now? Kinda like the Odin 2 equivalent in that higher device category

[@choonblaze]

Pocket 5's screen looks incredible in comparison though, side by side it looks like Odin devices are just old and outdated. Cpu performance isn't everything

[@YoDefend]

Wish they bring out a retro pocket 5 pro with the same device model but the odins chip 😅 I just love the RP5 design

[@mrredoficial]

Great comparison. Thank you.

[@adinwalls]

Thank YOU

[@dbozgt]

I'm happy with my Retroid Pocket mini. I don't need anything else for like 1-2 years.

[@adinwalls]

Call me in 2 months haha. Just kidding. I do think the mini is alot of people's endgame device.

[@GoblinSlosher]

Part of me wishes I could trade my Odin 2 Mini for the RP5. Solely for the GameCube colorway. But I'm holding on to that performance jump. Also lemme tell you, the Mini Led screen is fantastic. Colors look so vibrant!

[@adinwalls]

Ya man. I really like the Odin 2 mini

[@glideslope69]

The boost in performance on the Odin is effectively useless. RP5 can play basically all PS2/GC at 1080p. There’s no point in rendering at a higher resolution than the screen. It’s not like the extra power of the Odin is enough to play PS3, etc. so in practice it doesn’t actually get you anything you don’t get with RP5

[@joycekoh3416]

@@glideslope69 it is not true, there are games such as sly 2, xenosaga 3, even at 1x resolution will struggle and face slowdown but odin 2 can handle them easily. android ps2 emulator not perfect but using 8 gen 2 odin2 can push the compatibility limit higher.

[@adinwalls]

Completely untrue. There is a considerable improvement in emulation.

[@toycoma98]

I like to put my grip backwards on my RP3+ to protect the sticks and screen, not sure if you can do that to the 4/4pro. Would be cool if they did that to the 5. No bumps/butt cheeks but use an official grip that is reversable. Thanks for mentioning the sleep function problems, seems like RP5 has a software issue. Cant wait for Joey to do his review.

[@dm.3145]

What's the Daijisho theme on the odin 2 mini in the thumbnail

[@adinwalls]

2Clean Dai Black V2

[@dadou193]

11:26 any further details on running XBOX on the Retroid 5? How does it work? And when can we expect the xbox performance to improve ? Thanks guys

[@adinwalls]

Nothing yet. There's so much to create content about!

[@DallasDub94]

Great comparison. Ultimately I ordered an RP5 for at work/on the go. And an Odin2 Portal for home streaming, docked, and longer travel. I don't need or really care for switch emulation on a device with smaller screen & battery anyways. And I need stick up top for most streaming. I don't think the Odin2 mini is worth the extra $$$ compared to the RP5 especially with the amoled screen. RP5 really shaping up to be a near perfect all-around device. Can't wait to see what the odin 3/mini specs are

[@marioneto50]

Hey Adin, great video! Your RP4P guide was really useful for me! I'm looking forward to you RP5 guide with Linux, as it sounds intimidating for me to do it all on my own! 👏🏻🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@adinwalls]

It's actually pretty easy I will get a vid going asap

[@mushtaqshah9390]

Wish they had put the RP5 screen into the mini. Have you had any flickering issues with the mini screen? Mine started to flicker for a little while then it stopped after turning on the fan and restarting it. Haven't experienced it since. Hope it was just a one off.

[@adinwalls]

Yes me too, rp5 screen on the mini would've been ideal. But no, no flickering on mine. But I have heard of this issue before

[@SlickOils]

Personally, for my first retro portable, I went for the RP5. I don’t really need to play later games on it (switch later gen games) I’ll only be using it for older games. Neo geo, snes, megadrive, old arcade and so on. If I want to play later games, I’ll just use the actual consoles.

[@lessthemess]

I wonder what the longevity of the Odin 2 mini is with that Snapdragon chip, but limited software

[@adinwalls]

Ya not sure

[@SomeRand0omDood]

I'm glad now I never got the Odin 2 mini. I already have an Odin 2 and a Retroid Pocket 5 on the way just purely on the merit of it's value. If I want to play any newer retro systems I can use my Odin 2 and everything else on the RP5. I really wanna run the RP5 through its paces on Steam Link and some heavier Android gaming. Everything I've seen so far looks excellent.

[@adinwalls]

In your use case the Odin 2 mini wouldn't make sense at all. I think the RP5 will be a nice addition to your ecosystem.

[@jakledur]

It was the video i was looking for. So, i think i will order a Odin 2 Mini, it has everything i'm looking for in this kind of device : the power to run almost everything, the form factor. The only thing that's bugging me is the Mini LED screen, maybe i'm a screen snob here, but the Mini would greatly benefit with an OLED screen. So i'm kinda torn between order one for christmas, or wait until AYN came up with an OLED version of the Mini, maybe next yaer i hope.

[@adinwalls]

Yes I don't know why they went with the MiniLED. Someone commented here that they don't even notice the vignetting. Personally I love the MiniLED screen. I just feel a sense of duty to be open about it in these vids.

[@ramspencer5492]

I would like Retroid to put out a Retroid 5 Pro, with a better chip you give it a little more future proofing legs (and maybe even 12gb of RAM). It should also have an alternative control layout option, with the left Analog joystick on top.

[@adinwalls]

It's called the Odin 2 mini...

[@Raphtor13]

Why would you want to to Gran Tourismo at 7x res? It doesn't make sense to play games at a higher resolution than the screen can support so that comparison really doesn't make sense. What am I missing here? I would think you would want to compare at the appropriate resolution for the screen.

[@blakeandcamp]

Yeah there's no point. It's all just an e-dick measuring contest with higher numbers and shit.

[@adinwalls]

It was a performance test not a screen test.

[@HiiaSkeR]

What is better retroid pocket 5 or odin 2 base ?

[@adinwalls]

In terms of power the Odin 2 base still wins, but I don't own it so unfortunately I can't have much of an informed opinion

[@HiiaSkeR]

@adinwalls ok thanks so much.

[@EKAS007]

can i swap the screen on odin 2 mini and using rp5 screen? does it fit sir?

[@adinwalls]

No that will not work

[@EKAS007]

@adinwalls i hope they release new version of odin 2 mini with ips/amoled display sir 😅 thank you for responding so quickly sir 🙏

[@adinwalls]

@EKAS007 yes I'm not sure how well the mini did and Ayn don't have a fast release cycle. But yes, an AMOLED screen on this would be great.

[@ModeMan101]

I think you're right that so long as it's within your budget then the Odin is the better all-round choice, particularly when it comes to performance. I currently just have a RP3+, which I got at the beginning of last year. Most of my handheld gaming is PS1/PSP and below, so it suits me just fine. I am holding out for something sub-$250 (US) that can emulate the majority of PS2 titles without too much effort or tweaking - I was hoping the RP5 might have been it, but it doesn't sound like it's quite there yet. So until the Odin 2 gets a hefty price drop, I'm sticking with what I've got.

[@darthwhit]

What is the pinball game being played?

[@adinwalls]

Oh gosh suddenly everyone is asking about the games and I have a terrible memory. I think it was a PsS2 pinball game that I enjoy. Great graphics.

[@juancarlosmunoz8988]

Would you consider going from an Odin 2 Mini to a retroid pocket 5 a downgrade?

[@adinwalls]

Yes. In performance and in ergonomics. However the screen is better by a big margin.

[@MithosDagon]

I will wait for a RP5 Pro and see what chip and storage they use. I have and love my Odin 2 Mini Pro, but kinda wish it had an OLED screen (the Mini LED is not bad tho). I just like the extra power for running games with texture packs, and at higher resolutions

[@sharktooth30yt48]

Im still very 50/50 between these two! Also, whats the plastic texture like on the O2M? Is it good and is there something comparable?

[@adinwalls]

I don't have a comparison to give you but the O2M is more solid and a little smoother, with a grippy plastic in the finger indentations. The RP5 is much lighter with a more textured plastic, and stippled plastic on the back bumps. I like the O2M for the shape and weight, I like the RP5 for the textured plastic.

[@sharktooth30yt48]

Interesting. For reference, I have an RP3+ and its plastic is definitely smooth, making it feel a bit toylike

[@KeysOfLifeGaming]

What about RP5 vs Odin 2 base? I still don't know which one to get.

[@adinwalls]

This IS RP5 vs Odin 2 base

[@KeysOfLifeGaming]

@adinwalls sorry, I meant the regular Odin 2 not the Odin 2 mini. I plan on doing mostly PS2 emulation. I'm leaning towards Odin 2 because there's more headroom with the 8Gen2 vs 865.

[@joycekoh3416]

​@@KeysOfLifeGaming Get odin2 for that extra 80 dollar u get bigger screen, bigger battery

[@nERVEcenter117]

As it is I'm already perfectly okay with running 480p consoles at 2x with anti-aliasing on my Odin 2, so I'm not sure these super- and hyper-sampling resolutions really mean much to me. Maybe Retroid will do a Pro version down the like and shove a newer Snapdragon chip in there, but I'm not sweating in anticipation. The screen and industrial design of the RP5 just seem better in every way.

[@MrRunItUp]

So I'm pretty sure Retroid announced that they won't be releasing a pro model of the RP5, but I'm sure the RP6 will have a better chipset

[@brownfox1540]

How does the Ayaneo Pocket S stack up against these two?

[@adinwalls]

Dunno. I don't have any AYANEO devices.

[@christophergarcia6064]

Starting at more than double the price of the RP5 and $160 more than the base Odin 2 Mini, and going up to almost quadruple the price of the RP5 and double the price of the Odin 2 Mini Pro, it doesn't stack up.

[@MGPDrawGames]

I thank you for the video, but can you let me know if the RP5 can play Kakarot on switch?

[@alibi_streamhighlights736]

does the retroid pocket have a dock station and multiple controller supports?

[@adinwalls]

They have a Retroid dock available and you can pair multiple controllers

[@AM-mz4ey]

This is exactly what I was struggling to choose between. The Odin 2 Mini is better but at that price range ($500-600 CND), I'm wondering if it's better waiting for the Odin 3 Mini (maybe they'll put an OLED screen in there) or maybe even the Legion Lite Go, which should be very powerful too

[@ManikTube12]

I am leaning towards AYN Odin 2 Mini, but I missed the 15dollars off.. do you think they will have some black friday offer? :) Adin, not considering price, would the Odin 2 Mini be a winner for you?

[@adinwalls]

Hey as I say in the vid, I am quite biased. I really like the Odin 2 mini. The extra power is nice.

[@8bitutopia1954]

Thank you so much for making this video. This is EXACTLY my dilemma. After watching this, I feel safe now in deciding for the RP5. Its either the RP5, or the Odin 2 Mini. I know they’re technically in different price ranges, but their similar sizes do mean something to me. The RP5 is cheaper and has a better screen, but not as powerful and doesn’t have offset sticks (I don’t mind this though but others do). Meanwhile, the Odin 2 Mini is definitely more powerful, kinda futureproof since SD8 Gen 2 is Android endgame, and has an option for more RAM than the RP5, but its thicker, more expensive (especially the 12 gb RAM option) and has a worse and smaller screen. My use case is definitely mostly lower games I already play in my year and a half old Odin 1 Lite (yes I haven’t upgraded in a while), like 3DS, PSP, some PS2, lots of GBA and DS. Some Wii games and GC games too. But I do find myself wishing for more power since my Odin 1 Lite struggles to run Xenoblade 3DS, and I want to try Vita and Wii U if I ever get the chance. And yet, even though I know O2M can handle all those, I’m a snob when it comes to price, so that’s why I’m also considering the RP5. I also love playing Android games like WuWa and Arknights and FGO so a bigger screen is good for that but the O2M can run WuWa much better I think. And yet, I feel like the RP5’s power is enough for me. I don’t really need Switch emulation anyways since I have my own Switch, and while Vita and Wii U is fun, I think that’s more a problem with the software than hardware. My main use case is 3DS and PSP anyways, as well as some Android games. I feel like that is enough for me with the RP5. It being cheaper is a massive sway to me, even if the O2M is more powerful. So yeah, amazing video!

[@dantesquivel0]

Come on man. It's portables. Can you PLEASE do an in depth review on size?