iDubbbz vs Shoe0nHead vs Responsibility - A Dose of Buckley

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Are KZbinrs responsible for the actions of their audience? On one side, you have iDubbbz, who has spent the last few weeks apologizing for how his fans behaved over the years. On the other side, you have Shoe0nHead, who feels that creators have NO responsibility for how their audience thinks or acts. Buckley shares a fun story about a fan of his who made him wonder early on if his content was breeding the wrong type of people...

[@theskyisteal8346]

I've been watching Buckley since high school and I can proudly say I would hardly even consider driving a tractor through a bunch of cops.

[@letsgocards0421]

After watching one of buckleys Florida Georgia line musical autopsy’s, I blacked out and woke up in a tractor, that i had allegedly stolen, tipped over In the middle of my small town. After seeing a therapist I think it became clear what happened that day. That video is a modern day catcher in the rye. I do expect an apology one day from Buckley and from Nelly also. Neither will come but a man in a stolen tractor can dream

[@Wigwamo]

I would consider driving a tractor through a bunch of crops though

[@HonsHon]

​​@@WigwamoImagine if the dude was so crazy that he did what he did because he mispelled crops as cops. That one letter can really make a difference.

[@YoUtUbEhAnDlEsArEgReAt]

All men say that until they sit in the driver’s seat of a quality tractor. It _changes_ you. It takes more than a common man to resist the power of the tractor. Buy local, or else.

[@uptildawnltd3253]

I don’t know, have you considered the positives? You could just call it a “performance art piece”

[@Zeratek]

A Canadian not apologizing????? Going to have to report this to Trudeau.

[@morro4398]

He’s probably too busy at the minstrel show

[@MrSixdrive]

You mean like how Canada has barley even acknowledged, let alone apologize for the all this shit they have to the natives?

[@RachelAnnPotter]

He DID say sorry they gre up near a gas leak. That counts, right? Lol

[@jackdolan7839]

The rest of the world doesn’t know that that is a stereotype

[@Zeratek]

@@MrSixdrive you must be fun at parties.

[@HeroBiss]

I organized events ShoeOnHead was part of. She was really shy, but she was one of our only guest speakers that would actually try to talk to me. This was about 2017, and a few years ago I've stopped paying attention to pretty much every social media type and have been a lot happier for it.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

She's an internet nerd at her core. A cute girl, but still one of us.

[@AlexG207]

Ah yes, I ate a cake made of my own hair because I apparently don't have free will and being a fan of Ian influenced me to do it.

[@theghost00]

Ironically, someone commented on Ian’s video that they’ve allegedly done this as a kid because they’re inspired by the video and thought it would be funny. Apparently learnt the hard way that you shouldn’t copy what funny internet guys do. 😂

[@vanzy01]

Lol

[@Nerobyrne]

Propaganda works, and there are absolutely people who are trying to influence others to their way of thinking. But it's usually pretty easy to tell who they are if you know what to look for.

[@Jade0603]

I disagree with quite a bit of this video. Parents should know what their kids are doing on the internet, but that definitely wasn’t the case for a lot of people. Kids are very impressionable, and can be easily persuaded into things like racism and ableism. There should be a certain level of responsibility from creators who have called people with down syndrome “retarded” or used racial slurs. I was 12 when I unknowingly was watching content from alt-right people.

[@K0sm1cKid]

@@Jade0603 We can't design the world to cater to children. By that logic there should be no violent movies or games, music should have 0 inappropriate themes, no comedian can ever make a joke that's inappropriate because a kid could see it. It approaches thought control. I was watching all of these edgy content creators as a legal adult, and I enjoyed it. I didn't see it as, "I need to yell the n word at black people for no reason" because I was an adult that understood that's not acceptable and these creators weren't doing that in the first place. Should I be barred from seeing the content I want to watch as an adult because there might be children in the audience? I am sure there is an appropriate middle ground to this discussion but I don't know what that looks like. Maybe youtube can implement content ratings or something. Every video thumbnail has a little label in the corner stating what age range it is meant for. But the issue there is youtube ruins a video's ability to be discovered if it's given an adult restriction as is.

[@villiannewyork]

I think people really need a reality check when it comes to how they view the people who entertain them.

[@craigusselman546]

The funniest thing was that Idubbs was shocked when people came up to him saying the slur Really that being said June is allowed to change her political affiliations .And Idubbbz can feel remorse over his past vids although I do agree he really seems like a weenie now.

[@paperbag4477]

@@craigusselman546’m sick and tired of ppl saying “ June used to be alt-right, now left leaning”. She’s been left leaning. She‘s been saying that you can still be on one party and critique said party. It’s so funny how we embraced the same mob mentality that we disapproved of years prior.

[@hoodrowwilson]

Is it just me or does ShoeOnHead look a little bit like Boxxy?

[@kavlara]

It’s not just you. When I was a kid I thought they were the same person 😂

[@vanzy01]

@@kavlara me to and I didn't know who boxxy was just saw her picture.

[@AHungryHunky]

Maybe it's because I am on a Buckley vid, but I am impressed anyone active on the internet remembers Boxxy.

[@OfficialAshArcher]

I think it’s a bit of column A, a bit of column B. People shouldn’t have to be responsible for their fans, but sometimes they do knowingly egg them on.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

Case in point: Andrew Tate

[@souvikmitra6161]

Definitely true. If they DO egg them on, that's very much a violation of YT policy anyway, but even without it, it's still a terrible act.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

I feel kind of bad for Idubbbz tbh. He seemingly definitely attracted... a certain kind of base of edgelords with his old content, and in a karmic way I suppose there's an argument to be made that it's fitting he's somewhat stuck on it since his previous content sort of cultivated it, reap what you sow and all that, but that the same time I don't know why so many supposed former Idubbbz fans can't just leave the guy alone. He's denounced his old content, if some people don't like that, they can leave, but instead they have to lurk every video and slag whatever he does now, constantly cope post about every reason they supposedly actually don't like him that totally isn't a thin veil for the fact they feel called out that he feels bad for saying racial slurs when they haven't matured enough to realize why that's not cool to do, like don't these people have lives or anything better to do than constantly harass some guy they've already made abundantly clear they no longer like? If you feel Idubbbz shit you in some way, unsub, fucking leave, watch whoever better caters to your tastes, but why lurk and constantly moan about the guy like a weird obsession?

[@WaddupMatty]

​@@gregvs.theworld451Hit the nail on the head, I think this is the most reasonable take here. If I can expand on it: It sometimes feels like people forget that they can just walk away from people or things they don't like anymore. Enjoying a creator years ago doesn't mean you have to still like them now, especially if they change. Yet a lot of people just seem to cling on to what used to be, as if shitting on what is hard enough can bring back what once was. The ability to say, "cool, I'm done here", walk away with your good memories, and move on to something new is a powerful one that I wish we saw demonstrated more.

[@NexhiAlibias]

@@gregvs.theworld451 I can tell you. Nobody effected WAS watching Idubbz but stupid fans would make it their entire personality to be a fan or saying "n-gg-rf-gg-t" all the time in reference to him. Not only that but he also egged a bnch of racists and bigots by saying "slurs only have the power you give it" forgetting that said slurs in question has resulted in murders. So nobody lurked around its was his terminally ill fans thinking theyre cool for saying a slur bcus idubbz said it was cool

[@jonswanson4220]

Wait, KYS doesn't stand for knead your sourdough? Guess I've been doing it wrong

[@khrisbreezy3628]

Please tell me you haven't been saying kys to struggling bakers lol

[@phwn]

keep yourself safe!

[@NJGuy1973]

I thought it was Kiss Your Sassafras

[@SuperMonaLisaBros]

Keep your sac?

[@galleryofrogues]

Kindle Your Sauerkraut

[@SmackyTheB3AR]

Today I have learned that I am not responsible for my actions, Buckley is! Now excuse me while I go find a tractor.

[@Laf631]

There's a difference between "dude happened to watch me and turns out to be insane" and "I engage in behavior that my fans then turn around and directly imitate." It reminds me in a similar way to the way Taylor Swift does petty fucking things, like having the paparazzi follow her girl squad around and they all unfollow her ex-boyfriend on the same day at the same time. She knows what she's doing when her fans then target her ex-boyfriend.

[@angelacanedit]

exactly this

[@OpreRoma]

I feel this applies pretty well to streamers who do political content cos by it's very nature it seeks to change the mind of those who watch it who may not agree. I disagree with Buckley's point on Matt Walsh precisely because a goal of Walsh's content is to get to people who may not know anything about trans people and become those people's source of information. Information affects how we act. I've encountered a lot of bigots in my time and most of them know bugger all on the subject and just repeat talking points their favourite political figures (which can include streamers) put out there

[@Jimbo_Fett]

Didn’t you know Buckley had also engaged in tractor based mischief and rammed it into a bunch of cops, however he managed to escape under the cover of dark

[@diobrando2160]

@@OpreRoma >most of them know bugger all on the subject and just repeat talking points their favourite political figures (which can include streamers) put out there thats not bigots tho. thats TRAs

[@awkwardsquirtle]

And the most often forgotten "I attracted a certain audience and I'm now shocked people think I'm like that too."

[@HighOnCaffine9623]

I went to school with the guy who drove a car thru woodfield mall. didn’t know him personally but it was surprising. we are all really just a few steps away from a psycho.

[@theskyisteal8346]

🎶 It's a small world after all 🎶

[@kaylincorotis7133]

Hello fellow Chicago suburbs human!

[@michael_mcgowan]

Yo dude, i used to live right near Woodfield Mall. I moved away like 15 years ago, so i didn't know that happened. That's crazy.

[@HighOnCaffine9623]

@@theskyisteal8346 what an earworm 😭

[@HighOnCaffine9623]

@@kaylincorotis7133 greetings 🖖🏼 my northern IL pal

[@vienlacrose]

The Buckley to Killdozer pipeline is real

[@truedarklander]

You cultivate your audience. You're not responsible for everything they do, but you do have some influence over them. We can't say that people are directly responsible over their audiences, but they have heavy influence.

[@diobrando2160]

yes, that is why all content on the internet should be heavily censored. No swearing, pornography, nudity, violence, crime, offensive jokes (by my definition). they also need to apply the same rules to video games. too many people playing CoD and turning into serial killers.

[@truedarklander]

@@diobrando2160 ain't no one argued for any of this

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

​@@truedarklanderThey have influence to varying degrees. A really undeveloped intellect will be more easily swayed. My favorite influencer is David Goggins. I can't do his type of thing but it helps me do my thing.

[@RingsOfSolace]

It's like eminem once said (back when he actually made good music): "words can alter moods and talk to you, well can it load a gun up for you and cock it, too? Well if it can, the next time you assault a dude, just tell the judge it was my fault and I'll get sued."

[@AriaRavenlock]

Eminem still makes good music. He just focuses on different things now. Like, his music in the last five years is lyrically superior to pretty much all the stuff he did pre-Kamikaze. It's just, because he doesn't really do storytelling songs much anymore that people think he's fallen off.

[@mattb121395]

@@AriaRavenlockthat’s exactly why. He’s rhyming just to rhyme and his songs aren’t very good because of it. He’s got a lot of cringey and bad bars in them too

[@AriaRavenlock]

@@mattb121395 As a battle rapper, I'd rather listen that than some of his older shit.

[@runningcommentary2125]

"I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me if he listens to music. And if he feeds into this shit he's an innocent victim and becomes a puppet on the string of my tennis shoe." Love that line.

[@undercoverspy123]

Using Eminem as a point is sooooo awful hes the posterchild for Dude whos old enough and talented enough to not make dogshit edgy content, yet keeps doing it to maintain his shock value to keep people talking about him.

[@melodicsatisfactionproductions]

I posted a video making a joke about “your choices matter” in RDR2, where you spare a guy and 30 seconds later Sadie kills him. The comments were just…incredibly misogynistic. I don’t mean like a dumb “women ☕️” either. Later I posted a model swap of Sadie for Arthur, and the comments there were somehow worse. It was a meaningless caption “I like this swap” and the comments devolved into paragraphs about how she sucks as a character and became just bashing her because she’s a woman. I can understand how someone can this and assume I’m misogynistic, but I never engaged with them nor said anything close to that beyond a dumb joke. So while I questioned it, I moved on realizing they came to me, not that I created them. Compare it to another guy who I’ll leave unnamed. He made jokes amounting to staring at women’s butts in game, and once even made a joke about killing a woman in game who was clearly in an abusive relationship because she “cheated” by trying to escape. Their the comments got very misogynistic but I see the correlation more. I can’t exactly say the creator “created” that fanbase, he definitely is feeding them, even if unintentionally. I know it’s all anecdotal but I see a lot of reasonable takes on this and understand them. I didn’t sign up to be everyone’s dad when I make content, but I can’t 100% discount my influence.

[@iisdan]

"you shouldn't tell people what to do" - Buckley telling people what to do

[@Primatenate88]

Never don't tell people what they shouldn't do, because they'll never not do it.

[@cooperjudson5807]

“GTA: Stardew Valley” would be an amazing crossover

[@Farwander007]

Grand theft auto, Stardew Valley edition made me laugh out loud. Nice one.

[@ZERO_42069]

Buckely started from the bottom and now he’s here

[@ADoseofBuckley]

If "here" is "slightly above the bottom" then yes, I have arrived!

[@3bydacreekside]

​@@ADoseofBuckleyStarted from "Z" and now you're "Y?"

[@Chuckler127]

@@ADoseofBuckley Hey, up is up!

[@Jacen436987]

@@Chuckler127 better up than sideways

[@17dollarontheseventiu97]

@@Chuckler127but if its up then its stuck

[@JanieLane]

It's weird, Tomska was way ahead of the curve on this discussion by seven years and a looot of people got mad, he was right all along

[@superninja252]

What he said? i a out of the curve with the commentary

[@randomtinypotatocried]

Wait wasn't there a scandal with Tomska more recently

[@skep2923]

What video?

[@Shabkaz]

@@randomtinypotatocriedwhat happened?

[@leileyaravencroft]

So we are absolutely not going to take responsibility for ourselves? Sure, environment, life experiences, etc but come ON people can't keep playing victim all the time

[@uploadinstuff]

Part of taking responsibility is acknowledging when you have a large audience of young or impressionable people, what you say has an impact on them

[@diobrando2160]

@@uploadinstuff He should delete his channel ASAP then

[@shrooms710]

In the case of Idubbs, it's not just because he said the n word at the Tana meet up, but because he used to believe and push the idea that either all racist/prejudice words are all bad or are all not. That coupled with his old catch phrase being the n word followed by the slur used for gay people, is why he feels accountable for the old audience he acquired.

[@Arklelinuke]

I think he got it half right back then, either that it's all ok or none of it is ok. I think he went the wrong way potentially with that, the safer option would have been to say none of it is ok, and it wouldn't have turned so scandalous. Like, call out Tana for what she said in a less childish way and otherwise just mind your own business, certainly not drive cross country to say slurs she said. I won't say it wasn't entertaining, but it's not like either of them were "right".

[@paperbag4477]

@@Arklelinukeagree with you. But tbf idubbz kept saying “ Think for yourselves instead of following what I’m doing”. Like… I’m of the opinion that people aren’t as stupid and are as responsible for their own actions as possible.

[@deathpony698]

his old catch phrase started because someone used it as an insult and idubbbz took ownership of the word

[@Lee-fw5bd]

@@paperbag4477 im of the opinion that kids aren't people

[@RIP_Dislike_Button]

Most of his old fans could give a shit whether he used slurs or not. We were just entertained by bad unboxing, and content cop videos. Idubbbz was wrong to demonize us all. I hope he gets canceled from both sides.

[@antgrantrant]

The thing people miss about this idubbbz thing is that he's allowed to have his opinion. He's not telling anyone what to do. This what he wants for his channel. And if he was allowed to be edgy with his channel in his past, then he should have the same authority to change it to align with his feelings today. It's not that controversial.

[@issahumps]

I think it was the bashing of fans that gave him his success that pissed people off.

[@blkrbbit]

@@issahumpsSucks to suck huh? Suck less then?

[@antgrantrant]

@@issahumps that is partially the case. But I also think it's a smoke screen for people to complain that he is woke now. And personally, I have much less respect for creators who constantly patronize their viewers just to keep them happy, regardless of how they actually feel. If he thinks his fans are dipshit, then say it w your chest. And he did.

[@issahumps]

@@antgrantrant you don’t think those fans also matured with idubbbz? Why throw them under the bus? it’s fair to criticize him in that case.

[@AHungryHunky]

​@@issahumpsI never liked him, haven't followed him through any of this and the only time I'm reminded he exists is when someone I do follow talks about him and yet that part still rubbed me the wrong way.

[@snw9729]

As someone who has watched both you and Shoe for like ten years now, it was a trip seeing her in one of your thumbnails

[@kayla-qz1zg]

literally same

[@alexanderuzumi]

Yep

[@xShinigamiRyukuux]

The crossover I never thought'd I'd have

[@placeholder6503]

Sadly idubbz did have a call to action encouraging his viewers to say racial slurs and justifying it. I think he is right in at least bearing some accountability for how some of the dumbass teenagers watching him wound up behaving.

[@angelacanedit]

agreed

[@LinusVinnportlaced]

I was a freshman when that video dropped, and I got to experience the other kids being racist to me thinking it was funny and okay. We were literally his target audience l, and for some reason no one wants to acknowledge the harm it caused to black girls like me.

[@CallMeAirChaps]

The thing that gets lost was that idubbbz was NEVER racist. I think what happened is that we've let context and nuance die. Idubbbz liked to use le funny words but he didn't actually use them to attack people of those traits and put them down. He liked to say outrageous things because they were outrageous, it wasn't just slurs it was things like the C word as well. Nowadays Twitter people care more about the words you say than how you're using them. Twitter is a hostile, mean, nasty place but even though they are constantly attacking and insulting people, they think it's okay because "well at least I don't use that word". They will specifically target and insult people's appearances and I think that's why worse than what idubbbz ever did

[@smtmonke]

There is a difference between what you say, how you say it, and when you say it. Drop a slur among your friend group? As long as you're not harassing people, be my guest. Going out in public and yelling at mixed couples calling them race traitors? Don't do that, mind your own damn business. And with Tana specifically, Idubbz was simply giving her a taste of her own medicine. He shouldn't have to apologize, but he should have probably included some nuance and explained it better. Maybe a disclaimer saying "Don't go in public and drop n-bombs on normal everyday people minding their business." It's dumb, you shouldn't have to explain it, but this is where we are at.

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

@@smtmonke The funny thing is, Tana pretty much squashed the Drama waaaay back on some podcast. Pretty much admitting she was being an idiot in the situation and that she shouldn't have come at him like that at first. She literally says she deserved it, verbatim. (The white guy host tries to reassure her like, "welllll, he was a dumb white boy tho he said n-word and-" yknow). She doesn't even care anymore

[@TheEndingAbyss]

My take has always been you’re not responsible for what your audience does, but how you present yourself attracts a certain audience. So I agree with most of your points minus the pipeline. I think that’s a real thing that went on.

[@51Dutchman]

I guess I’ll be that guy: the streamer you don’t know is a streamer named Stanz. He’s grown a fair bit in popularity over the past couple years. Generally a pretty likable and funny guy. But for context, he was good friends with Atrioc before his recent scandal, so my guess is that might be part of why he takes content creators’ influence on audiences seriously and agrees with iDubbz.

[@couldntthinkofacoolname9608]

I do think there is some level of responsibility on the side of the content creators. Edgy content attracts edgy audiences, and if the creator slowly increases the edginess of their content for some reason, their fanbase either won't notice the levels of edge increasing or will leave. This is what is meant when people talk about pipelines. People aren't just born hating minorities, they have to be groomed into it, and edgy content is a great way to do it. Don't get me wrong, i love me some edge, I've been subbed here almost forever, but the intent and content of the edge is important.

[@angelicasmodel]

I agree. Another part of that the purpose of opinion pieces is to entertain and persuade. If you make videos spouting bigoted opinions, you don't get to turn around and be surprised that your audience finds their opinions are influenced by your video. It's all very well to try to insist viewers be rational when watching opinion pieces, but the evidence shows that the thing most likely to influence your opinion is hearing your 'peers' state certain beliefs. The bubble effect is well documented.

[@ponny2948]

Would you say video games and metal music have some responsibility for school shootings?

[@couldntthinkofacoolname9608]

@@ponny2948 if someone put out a video game called Stacy Slayer: The Ultimate Gentleman Experience, I would probably have some questions about the intent of that piece of media, for sure. I also think there's something to be said about war games being used as recruitment propaganda by the US military. But in general no, there's no evidence of video games or metal music *leading* to mass shootings in the same way there is evidence of strangely high numbers of mass shooters being fans of the conservative media sphere on KZbin and elsewhere, and I think those creators do hold responsibility for the radicalization of these (mostly) young men. Speaking anecdotally, I do think it's interesting just how many rightoids I've known who really liked Burzum, but that's probably correlative not causative.

[@MalloonTarka]

As a long time viewer of Shoe's I really hope she sees this and reacts to you calling her a "Belle Delphine lookalike". That would probably be really funny.

[@MyTomServo]

When everyone knows she's a Boxxy lookalike

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

@@MyTomServo ive never seen her and Boxxy in the same room together

[@candideggplant1575]

​@@tobiwonkanogy2975I've also never seen trump and hitler in the same room. Coincadink? I think not.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

If it wasnt dub guy it would have been someone else thats just how the internet was/is

[@larryinc64]

In the end you really can't control what your audience does, but as a creator you have to at least consider what people will do with your work. One or two people taking it the wrong way is not on you, but if a large part of your audience is then maybe it's time to change it up. I think Filthy Frank is a good example of doing it right, they made edgy content but when they saw a consistent reaction they were not liking, they tried to change it up to focus on different things. Maybe some of these zoomers and such should of also paid attention to that "Squirrel Jokes" episode of Spongebob.

[@patrickbateman1660]

The n word stopped being monetized then he magically matured lmao. It's so transparent. It was 2016 not the 1950s. He was a 25 year old man he knew exactly what he was doing.

[@rapmetaldemon09]

I actually thought Ian's video was really good. I don't think he ever pushed responsibility off to another person, he openly admitted that he cultivated that audience. Not "birthed" in the literal sense. Just put up a big sign saying, "bigots converge here!" Exactly how you described it. I don't think the idubz fans are down voting you, it's just the general consensus that he made a pivot turn for the better. He denounced his "enlightened centrist" mentality, and made a stand in saying that he doesn't represent that type of person anymore. I don't see a single thing wrong with what he said to be honest. He owned up and he put his foot down with his beliefs.

[@Zei33]

It’s truly amazing that I’ve watched every video you’ve uploaded and bought all the content you’ve put out since 2010 (when I was 15) and you are still so on the mark with everything you say. It’s been a rare event for me to disagree with your opinion. Keep up the good work. I never stopped watching.

[@quazillionaire]

Don't worry Buckley, I've been watching your videos since high school, and I would never consider looking up to you or emulating you in any way! :P For real though, I always thought idubbbz was a good entertainer back in the content cop days. It's too bad he feels the need to apologize for that.

[@sashka9399]

To me it just shows that he matured through experience. When he got a girlfriend he probably realised just how toxic and immature his incel audience trully was. It makes sense that he started feeling jaded.

[@G_FRE]

​@@sashka9399For real. Like it's crazy that people hate him for growing as a person. He even took his wife's way cooler last name. If I married someone whose last name was Jomha, I'd take their name.

[@morisan42]

@@sashka9399 ironically i think a lot of his zoomer audience went through the same character arc lol

[@Farts911]

@@G_FRE He even took his wife's way cooler last name. Good one bro. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Wingedshadowwolf]

@@G_FRE I wonder if people hating him for growing up is because they were using his behavior to justify their own immature behavior. When he called himself out on it, he called them out too(knowingly or unknowingly)

[@gilly_axolotl]

when i was like 15 i used comments you made in your musical autopsies to shame other peoples taste in music bc i was insecure and liked having a reason to feel superior in some way. I dont blame you for that, and if it wasnt you it probably wouldve been someone else, but i just wanted to let you know that young people do pick up on stuff you say. Youre perfectly valid to not feel responsible for that, but those types of situations did exist outside of your videos

[@SeptimusCreed]

My analogy for this situation is a powder keg. Like minded people are the “powder.” They exist on their own but are spread out thin. A KZbinr, or other personality, gathers that powder into a collective keg and, whether on purpose or by accident, is able to light the powder to create a much bigger explosion than the individuals would make otherwise. In the case of idubbz, he gathered a following of people who were edgy, liked edgy comedy, or just enjoyed a bit of anarchy in their day (I was the third type.) At the time idubbz was ok with that and, in the process, lit the spark that made some of these people emulate what he did. As he matured however, he found that that was no longer something he agreed with. This is fully understandable. Most people mature and change (hopefully for the better). In idubbz’s case, however, the powder was already lit and it isn’t something he can put out. In essence, I would say that his fault isn’t in creating the edgy crowd he catered to. Those people already existed. Instead, his fault is in lighting that spark that he now can’t put out.

[@jo_betcha4157]

I don't think idubbz gained new fans when he evolved his content. I think his old fans grew older with him. Like me 😉. I don't cringe at his old stuff. It brings back fond memories of where I was back then. For liking his old stuff, he'd think of me as a basement-dweller. I'm not. His new stuff was fun and changing, and I believe his old fans would have kept on rolling with him. But I'm not interested in his thin-skinned new direction. It's not entertaining. It's sad.

[@undercoverspy123]

@@jo_betcha4157 As an old fan who was alil edgy back then, I'm personally happy the mans moved the fuck on and has had the clarity to do something about his situation, the boxing route has been alot more entertaining and healthy for everyone and stepping away from random vague spontaneous edgy jokes is a godsend. Anyways this is such a nonfactor for something anyone should care about, but it's like the dying embers of someones personality in 2018 has everyone up in a roar trying to feel important over the most trivial matter Ive ever seen.

[@SeptimusCreed]

@@jo_betcha4157 For sure. I don’t cringe at most of his older stuff since, at the end of the day, it was entertaining content. However, I’ve also matured to the point where I understand that that content was edgy and purposefully inappropriate at times. I like to think that most of his fan base has similarly matured. However, based on the fact that some people still approach him and say the n word that’s obviously not the case.

[@antgrantrant]

Good analogy. And the way he did it was to cut the snake off the head to get it to stop biting at him. I have to imagine he expected the backlash, but at least he put everything out on front street w no more grey area. I love that all these poor reactions are because of idubbz calling them idiots. You know, the thing they used to love about him... Except when he said it about other people.

[@MrSupersonic2012]

I think if KZbin personalities (or any content creator) at the very least says "Don't go and harass this person" then they are not responsible for how their audience acts. People are stupid abd going to do whatever they want to do.

[@TheInhumanBeatdown]

No joke. I remember a pretty big youtuber I forget his name, part of a big animation group had a falling out with the group. In his explanation he repeated he didn't want people to attack the other guy so of course the comments were all about how they planned to ignore what he wanted and make jokes about ignoring him to go and attack the other guy.

[@eflychique]

you should've made it vs Florida tractor man vs responsibility in the title, best development of how a channel began I've ever heard, delivered to us in your best sarcasm and snark because of how quick you cut out bullshit. Truly art Also best reason to subscribe to patreon I've ever heard so I'll see ya there, different username

[@Johnny-mp2ew]

You are responsible for sneako, buckley. You sjould be ashamed

[@lord_greemo]

Sorry but blaming a KZbinr for your actions screams mummy and daddy didn't love me

[@tom13king]

An even blurrier argument is to what extent genuinely influential voices (like newspapers and politicians) are responsible for how people react to what they say. I don't know about North America, but in the UK we have some absolutely dogshit newspapers (notably The Sun and the Daily Mail) that a lot of people read, who are basically just outrage merchants and will often just make shit up to create a scandal. As you can imagine, this is usually aimed at the EU, migrants, "lefty loonies" or gay/trans people. The scary thing is, these papers do have significant influence and have played a part in swaying entire political decisions such as Brexit. Although these newspapers are very conservative/pro-establishment, so I'd say this ventures more into propaganda than just some guy voicing his opinions.

[@canaan5337]

This is the same thing as kids in the 90s watching Jackass or Beavis and Butthead and doing something stupid and getting hurt and people trying to blame it on MTV, that might be where they got the dumb idea but they’re still the dummy that decided to do it.

[@zackpascarello9974]

As a former ShoeOnHead fan I wouldn’t say that she indoctrinated me. I think my surrounding environment did, and she was there to agree and support my beliefs. Since then my politics changed upon doing my own research and discovering my own morals. iDubbbz however I definitely think has had more of an impact on the same demographic. He put into mine, and millions of other teenage boys’ heads that saying the N-word is nothing but ‘dark humor’ or ‘edgy’ without really caring. iDubbbz taught me how to take it too far while Shoe simply expressed her opinion, which just so happened to line up with mine own at the time.

[@luigimaster111]

I would disagree that you were indoctrinated, at worst you were using your mind irresponsibly and not exercising critical thinking skills. Maybe you weren't taught those skills, and the blame for that can maybe be pinned elsewhere, but the responsibilities of your thought and opinions and worldviews, those are all yours. It's irresponsible to pin the blame elsewhere. Part of the reason freedom of speech is deteriorating is because people don't want to take responsibility, always blaming their actions and worldviews on something or someone rather then themselves.

[@drifter402]

It's not a magic word

[@rjmunster9600]

Buckley, Shoe's politics is whatever her current boyfriend's politics is.

[@laurisaarinen1126]

I think Shoe’s takes have stayed relatively similar over the years. Although i don’t watch her for her opinions but because she’s hilarious.

[@WarningBFG-isHiring]

@@laurisaarinen1126 Comedy is subjective but how is she funny? She isn’t funny. She just says random stuff without any coherent structure or argument. C-MTown is funny and they’re further left than sh*t4brains. Nick Mullen is actually funny. Shoe is just liked because she’s “pretty”.

[@laurisaarinen1126]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring Absolutely not true. It’s very sexist of you to say people think that because she’s pretty. There are A LOT of attractive people who are not considered funny. I do think she is legitimately funny. I also don’t know what you mean she just says ”random stuff”, she does have a comedic style. That many people would not only watch her for being pretty, if someone is that shallow i feel bad for them.

[@TheMetalwolf77777]

I mean she did date iron skeptic and look how that turned

[@smtmonke]

​@@WarningBFG-isHiringShe's witty and is good at spontaneous humor. That's it. It's not complicated.

[@Dribbleondo]

Beardless Buckley is like seeing Ron Swanson without a moustache; crimes of nature.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

Oh lord, I didn't think I'd ever see Buckley and Shoe overlap. My fight or flight is kicking in. It just feels like two creators in two orbits that, while I know of both, they shouldn't cross mingle, it just feels wrong.

[@Avrysatos]

My first thought was "Why is buckley talking about shoe? This is weird."

[@gregvs.theworld451]

@@Avrysatos Same.

[@aspen8434]

I think IDubbbz absolutely is in the right apologising. He actively egged his fans on and made content that appeared in right wing memes all the time. Sure you can’t control what people “meme,” but he definitely played into that. I think he’s an outlier to this conversation as I was a teen during his peak era and he was everywhere amongst edgy people and he most certainly actively partook in it.

[@patrickbateman1660]

He made videos opening dildos and shat on people like keemstar lol. How is that actively egging on. He completely ignored his audience at his peak.

[@bodyrumuae2914]

All these years the rest of us have been doing it wrong. Get the tractors! 😂

[@nzsnow9691]

I definitely think these people should acknowledge the influence they have over impressionable young people that end up watching their content. Sometimes it's not always their fault, platforms like KZbin are infamous for being like "oh you watched an anti sjw video? Here's some Ben Shapiro and Lauren southern". But these people have free will and make their own decisions in the end. I used to watch idubbz and anti sjw shit when I was younger and I turned into a hard out leftist so it's not always so simple. I kinda feel like idubbz feels too responsible for these things and shoe is way too dismissive of them, like she doesn't want to really look at herself and see that she caused some amount of harm

[@nokeksgiven]

“I turned into a hard leftist” you may have overcorrected a little bit.

[@nickshaw2985]

Ahhh, so I was already an asshole pre-Buckley 😎 i guess that solves that

[@ddjsoyenby]

hot take' idubbz is right yes you can't always control your audience' but he outright said "use sl*rs as often as you possibly can and dismiss anyone who's upset" to mainly children yes i don't think he was a neo n@z1 or he purposefully caused h@rr@ssment' but his actions still had an effect on people.

[@lilowhitney8614]

Bruh this isn't tiktok. You don't have to censor half your comment.

[@ddjsoyenby]

@@lilowhitney8614 just being safe you never know what youtube will decide to flag this week.

[@AB-80X]

I was cynical before Buckley. If people become influenced by people they don't know and interact with, they have their priories mixed up.

[@AHungryHunky]

I was literally pointed to Buckley after one of my friends kept calling me "Buckley" I was like "Who the f is Buckley?" And then they explained who Buckley was and said that I sounded like him when I rant because I tend to exaggerate for comedic effect. Watched a few videos and said "I like this guy" That was 2012

[@franklinbadge1215]

It still applies to most people

[@undercoverspy123]

@@franklinbadge1215 Not most, all, don't have the hubris to think otherwise like the poster above.

[@AB-80X]

@@franklinbadge1215 Not really. It may seem that way, but in reality even a lot of people who actually take pride in being like their "role models", fail miserably in being so. As fun as it is calling a lot of people sheeple, reality is that fewer than we might think who is sheeple, is actual human sheep.

[@Jacen436987]

@@AHungryHunky yeah but, would you ever steal a tractor? lol

[@KiddKyle67]

I think people under estimate how easily influenced children are. They pick up stuff super easily. They basically believe whatever their parents told them and whatever their favorite celebrity says. If a 12 hears a funny youtuber say a slur that they never heard before, you can almost guarantee they will repeat it. Sure, you'd expected adults to know right from wrong; but the fans Idubbz was talking about were clearly kids when they watched him.

[@vanzy01]

The problem is those kids are grown up and blaming idubbs for there terrible behavior instead of reflecting on why they idolized him in the first place. In this day and age people don't want to take responsibility for there actions.

[@coddyriggin]

@@vanzy01what kids blaming idubbs? The premise is idibbs not liking what he influenced people to be like. Another big moment he talked about that was left out of the vid was a trans person coming up to idubz saying “ I know you don’t like me, but I’m a fan anyways.” And it broke his heart and was big eye opener for how people perceive him.

[@UBvtuber]

Also this OP comment is basically just saying "WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" If the parents don't monitor their kids, that's on them, not on the creator.

[@KiddKyle67]

@@vanzy01 They idolized him because he made jokes just like any popular kids cartoon on tv. It isn't that complicated. Theyre too young and haven't been taught the outcomes of bigoted speech, so they copy it like any other joke they hear. This is the same reason why age ratings exists. If anything you can say its more on the parents for not monitoring what their kids are watching. Plus this is not some new concept that millennial and gen z made up. Kids have always been influenced by the things around them. Its strange to try to throw blame on a kid and not all the adults that surround them and let it happen.

[@KiddKyle67]

@@UBvtuber i agree that it is mostly on the parents for not monitoring their children. But I think it fine for idubbz to realize his part in influencing them.

[@G_FRE]

To be fair, Buckley, he did only say that phrase one time to Tanner Mojo, not multiple. Not that it's any better, but I just wanted to say that for accuracy's sake.

[@ValleyoftheLeaf]

LOL, I used to watch shoe a lot, and armored skeptic. The anti-sjw stuff is a little cringe now but she was definitely never against social justice as a whole. She mainly railed against the tumblr/twitter brand of social justice. Funny enough, she was part of the reason I became *more* socially aware of discrimination and injustice. I also watched idubbz but less because I agreed with him and more because he was just pretty edgy and funny.

[@violentwildling8924]

I've been watching Buckley since high school and now I've finished graduate school and will be married soon. I feel like the content matured with me and I still wake people up laughing watching it and send it to my brothers.

[@devoidofskill]

I agreed with most of the video up til the end, but I don't actually disagree with the conclusion either. Sure, the videos played into their biases, but something needed to create that bias in the first place. Matt Walsh followers are obviously insane, but they weren't born insane. Unfortunately, the "weak-minded idiot" rings through for most people, teenagers especially.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

In the case of teenagers, that's not even them being weak: their brains are still growing, and that stuff can just seep in like water to soil

[@TheInhumanBeatdown]

@@thepassingstatic6268 I feel like unfortunately in this day and age alot of teens or even young adults just never got the care or raising they needed. Now days it feels like alot of parents are content to just give their kid an ipad and youtube to shut them up instead of actually raising them and teaching them right. Sure even in a caring environment they can still grow up to be A-holes, but the youtube parenting definitely isn't helping. And is a billion times worse when said parents then throw fits over what little timmy was watching cause I guess setting restrictions and monitoring them is just to hard.

[@AmazingAwesomeAlaska]

Are you a bigot?

[@dgafgiraffe5847]

Crazy how people can release their own free will and thought to literally anyone on the Internet if they like them enough

[@pawkeshup]

For the Tana Mongeau/iDubbnz conflict, there was more to it than that. Tana had used the N-word, hard r, during streams prior to this. He was making a video on her for that, and her habit of exaggerating every storytime video.

[@Aleph3575]

Yeah that was the whole point of that, and basically every other, Content Cop. Calling people out on their hypocrisy, which is why its really funny that some other KZbinrs are now making Content Cops on Idubbbz.

[@MythicSuns]

I've been subbed to you for years and I've got a long way to go before I even come close to being an axe throwing Canadian who calls out stupid music every year or so.

[@tahseenkhan3629]

Hmm. I don't know, I might have to agree to disagree about the end there. As someone with the "unique" position of being a little kid/teenager who had gotten a bit into those edgy "anti-sjw" youtube spaces (but ultimately just fucked off on politics entirely to play and watch other people play video games until I was actually at a good age to form personal politics and beliefs) and seeing some comments from other people who formerly fell further down such holes, you have to remember kids and teenagers are underdeveloped and dumb as shit. These kids being raised by youtube, and with no role models as you said, find these communities where they can be accepted for saying edgy dumb shit and being a pos to everyone else. If they're troubled or bullied in real life especially, it makes them feel validated and like their own sort of social martyr where "everyone hates me because Im right." I'm explaining it very poorly, but essentially you see this kind of indoctrination tactics in a lot of alt right spaces. Those kinds of kids didnt inherently start out alt-right, but they get a sort of social need met by these communities and it spirals out of control from there. It really is indoctrination for a lot of them, it really only takes being a little out of touch and aggrieved for an adult to fall into it too, though that's definitely more on them and their lack of personal character development that led them to being the prime target demographic for that shit. But like. Kids, teens. They fall for this shit hard, despite the best intentions and teachings of their parents, because if the parent doesnt have borderline dystopian levels of controls on their internet time and usage, a kid can and will stumble across those types of videos, and kids love being edgy and rebellious as shit. You see so many articles about moms whose kids have seemingly "turned fascist" overnight, and it kinda starts with those "pipelines". Though you could just be like my aunts lil shitters and skip all those steps by prescribing to fucking tate ideology at like 10.

[@ofanichan]

The idubbz case is a very different case of «responsibility for your fans» tbh. I have met people in real life, who used idubbz old arguments for why saying the n word is okay. He did technicly give «birth» to a whole specific generation of assholes who would debate wether or not slur discourse was worth having. So I am very happy that he came forth and denounced those people.

[@cole716]

Yeah exactly. In general, entertainers aren’t responsible for their audience. But idubbbz specifically told people it’s okay to say the n-word

[@randomtinypotatocried]

I know a few people who use it as an argument including my now self identitying neoNazi brother. It's tiring how it's used against my kids

[@K0sm1cKid]

I think the issue is he didn't really believe "all of it is okay or none of it is okay" in the first place because he wasn't yelling the n word at random black people the way kids describe some of their peers doing after watching his videos. He still had a line he didn't cross. He didn't articulate his point well at all though, and frankly I don't think he had any developed principles at the time. Which in hindsight is a little bit disturbing given he was around 25. As an adult watching his videos, I saw them as over the top humor. I didn't emulate the behavior in my life because I was an adult. I imagine the videos were made for people that weren't children given the content. But you can't stop kids from watching what they want to watch online. I don't know what the answers are. I just know I don't appreciate idubbbz more or less suggesting my adult self enjoying his videos at the time made me a loser incel. I have a big boy job, a wife, a dog, bills, etc. I don't need a guy from the internet with 0 frame of reference of the real world insulting me for enjoying videos he made in the first place. And I don't want him acting like he somehow "influenced" me because my decisions are mine alone. Even as a teen the biggest source of issues in my life was a lack of personal accountability. Making excuses for your behavior is an awful thing to do. If you were an edgelord teen, your cringe inducing memories are still yours to bare. It's okay, you were underdeveloped, all of us have cringey memories. All of us have made decisions we aren't proud of. Don't dwell on them work on being better today. I don't think it's a good idea to give anyone an excuse, "I was only a shitty teenager because I watched youtubers!" Maybe we can suggest youtubers have the ability to curb that a bit, but where is the line? Adults ought to still have access to adult humor right? Not like age restricting does anything to keep a kid from watching, they can make an account that says they are older than 18.

[@nakoruruwantspepsi1556]

Oh wow, look a situiton that is more complicated and nuanced than Twitter would make you belive. But seriously I think they are both right to a degree. Yes, you should own up to space and enviroment you cultivate. Idubbez did ask people to use slurs and act edgy. However, like you said, you cant be reponsible for every shithead that follows you. Likewise, the audience also needs to take responsiblity for what they consume, and realize "oh I had a shitty take/idea." I used to fequint 4chan back in the day. Amazingly, I did not go down an alt right pipeline. I just looked at weebs posting about waifus and complaining about the correct way to brew tea, Being a dumb edgy kid on the internet is kinda a right of passage. If you grew older, discovered differnt views or had expirences that made you realize "oh, the shit I watched/posted was fucking awful I dont want to be/do that anymore." thats fine, but you also have to realize the differnce between being told by the creator to do someting versus your own ideas fitting with something

[@Vivi-te5qj]

I look up to you Buckley! To be fair though I look up to most people at 5'1

[@888fluffy]

Hard disagree Buckley. I do not think a 'call to action' matters. Having a one-off follower go postal on a tractor doesn't reflect Buckley's beliefs or content. But a channel that constantly says how the gays are wrong for existing is responsible for a follower shooting up a gay bar, even if they never made a 'call to action'. Buckley's asking the wrong question here. Whether a creator is responsible for their follower's actions is completely dependent on the effect the content has on people on the whole, and how negative that effect is. If shoeonhead just ragged on some 15yr SJWs but mostly targeted conservatives, and one follower decided to hate the left because of it, they probably just interpreted shoeonhead wrong. If all her followers started hating the left, it means her content is having a meaningful effect, thus making her responsible.

[@NJGuy1973]

In the '50 comic bookd got blamed for juvenile delinquency. In the '80s heavy metal music got blamed for suicides, and Marilyn Manson, enough said. How is the internet different?

[@YelenaSkunky]

The 90's had the games, and then there was anime in the 00's... Humanity just can't stop blaming something completely irrelevant.

[@TMoney-wt1cw]

@@YelenaSkunkysaying all this stuff, particularly the internet, is “completely irrelevant” is just either naive or blatantly false.

[@Jaymic]

I think its more insulting to think of people who view your content as slobbering brainless dopes that will follow and ape every action you take without question. Most of us can delineate between the entertainment we consume and the way we act. We already had this argument with the "video games cause violence" debate.

[@ADoseofBuckley]

Yes, the idea that you underestimate your audience's critical thinking skills so much, OR believe you're some sort of God/cult leader that they have given all of their free will to, are both pretty absurd. And it makes for bad content anyway. If I were to write every video from the perspective of "it doesn't matter WHAT I say, they will agree with me and then follow my every word, I am their absolute leader!" those would be pretty garbage videos I think.

[@Cuuppeli]

This is just another reason why I think anyone under 18 should not be allowed anywhere on the internet.

[@roxycauldwell544]

Buckley, its interesting that tractor guy was one of your fans, lol. However, i do believe theres a difference between attitude vibes and motivational propaganda. Having certain ideas is one thing. Stratigically attacking certain groups like saying "they" and using very large group labels to spread lies and motivate a large audience is another thing. Id be interested about your take on propaganda but I think your situation is completely different from things like the gay club shooting and the power grid shooting.

[@waterandafter]

Dude was probably only subbed because Buckley was probably the only Canadian KZbinr at the time.

[@unstoppableExodia]

Holdup, you mean we can now pin the blame on content creators for anything no matter how sketchy the premise??? In that case, Buckley i have a bone to pick with you. OK so in 2012 there was this girl i was chatting to online who couldn’t help liking one direction, she knew they’d sucked but her hormones prevented her from resisting them. I tried to tell her it wasn’t a big deal and she didn’t need to fret over it but it’s want an easy thing to articulate. So i remembered a buckley video that compared them to the Beatles and that 1D were specifically assembled to make young girls panties damp. I assumed she’d be relieved to learn that it’s not her fault and she’d grow out of it. Turns out she was mortified and wanted to slice me open with a samurai sword. How was i to know she wouldn’t appreciate the abrasive takes of a funny Canadian. And yeah she didn’t speak to me after that. All this time i thought it was me being a bit insensitive. But if i can just blame Buckley and let myself off the hook then that’s perfect for me even if it’s totally unfair to blame things like that on content creators. Best news since full house got canceled, goodbye personal responsibility and hello scapegoating.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

Wtf is Boxxy doing in a video in 2023?

[@vileele]

Minor correction he only said say n-word once. then just acted confused as she ran away and they kicked him out.

[@PenneyBack]

03:00 To be fair I think you're mischarcterising idubbz' tana mongeau video. Whether you agree with his points/ conclusion or not, it's pretty clear that he was making a point about hypocrisy. Tana had made a big fuss about idubbz using the n word whereas she had used it on multiple occasions herself. Other than that, I pretty much agree with everything else

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

I mean, I think idubbz content attracts that kind of person, or did. I think idubz acting like this today, a complete 180, being appalled at his old fans actions, is stupid. How can you go from being an edgelord to denouncing them publicly. I think the only answer is to save your career. I never watched him much, but the "I'm gay" joke was funny to highschool me. You caught them in passing, and I personally think I prefer that internet more than today. Certainly that youtube. It was closer to what I grew up with. Now everyone expects the mods to handle their problems, rather than utilizing the block button. I Certainly think idubz took it too far, but I don't believe him or his happy corner monkey who's hyping up his point when he says he completely denounces this. I think he's just trying to keep up with the times. But I think it's less responsibility and more attracting that kind of person. Maybe one day people will stop taking what people say on the internet so seriously.

[@TheInhumanBeatdown]

Agreed. Like I get being an edgy teen, but like how little common sense or more accurately how much of a PoS in training do you have to be to look at these videos (like idubbz saying its okay to say the N-Word) and think yeah this random person I know nothing about is totally right! It just feels like these types of people were doomed anyways, but since they found idubbz and his content that triggered their spiral its now his fault.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I completely agree, it's also such an asshole to move if you naturally outgrow something to turn around and trash everyone like they're in their final form and won't also outgrow that phase. People who "outgrow" their audience always have to shit on them on the way out. Its also not a mistake that they all change in a way thats more KZbin friendly and will bring more money in.

[@Rikkilover17]

I think this is similar Beyoncé or Selena Gomez. Their fans are notorious for going way too far if someone has a problem with their idol. Sometimes even the nicest people have unhinged fans. Now sure idubbz is a little different but even so I wouldn’t blame him 100%.

[@awesomo925]

As a canadian, you should be saying "sorry" with the hard r every day.

[@shaansain5303]

I miss the old Buckley 😂

[@Woozy.0]

Set honest goals Buckley

[@massivemansbiggestplan]

chop up the soul buckley

[@cajunmane7272]

​@@massivemansbiggestplanThe "leather daddies" Buckley

[@Quixy21]

I'm not even super familiar with idubbz old content, but I stand by my opinion that he's just showing maturity here by admitting he was being an edgelord. He started to realize that he was drawing the kind of people he didn't like, and so he decided to change. I respect that.

[@playingmusiconmars]

The funny thing is that Idubbbz actually missed the point of his original videos completely - he said that to Tana because she said it herself a lot on streams. Also the "n word f word" thing was making fun of somebody using the word unironically. He has basically demonstrated that he actively became dumber with age by not understanding satire anymore.

[@akoilngas1215]

Do I think an online creator can incite their fans to do horrible things? Yes. Absolutely. Especially for creators with a young fanbase, these creators need to acknowledge that they do have a large influence on their viewer base that can extend well into the future. That said, simply expressing a relatively reasonable opinion forcefully does not mean you're supportive of your fans firebombing a nursery. Even expressing relatively wild opinions does not mean you're responsible for your fans firebombing a nursery. If a reasonable person doesn't think you made a call to action to your fans, then I don't see how a reasonable person can expect you to be responsible for another person's actions.

[@joshmiller5374]

Man I miss the content cop iDubzzz days. The content cop on ricegum is still one of my favorite KZbin moments of all time

[@cditzler2018]

Great video as always Buckley. Happy you've come back to KZbin, especially as a fan of 10+ years. Keep up the great work

[@razechaos3489]

I've always appreciated your content. Thank you for what you do.

[@maximilienmavian4333]

The main character syndrome is such an epidemic. We are not all just NPCs contributing to your character arc. Like the tweet Buckley cited, "you sent me down a pipeline as a minor"... lady, he doesn't even know who you are.

[@SuperHiFiGaming]

I see both sides. Influencers influence. People seem to hold Andrew Tate accountable for manipulating his community. But your take about it not being your fault also makes sense. Maybe it can be determined one way or the other depending on whether or not the influencer was straight up telling their audience to act a certain way.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

Theres alot of nuance. In the case of Andrew Tate, he is absolutely causing harm, not just in his rhetoric but his ponzi schemes. But in the case of idubbz, while he may not have created the edgelord, he most definitely gave them more tools for their Asshole Arsenal. Tools that people use today. I think he was right to apologize, but I dont think he had to bury himself and his fans like that in the Ist clip.

[@rohan68842]

@@thepassingstatic6268 Yeah, people seem to completely ignore the fact that idubbbz pushed this weird agenda about making the n-word "morally correct" to use.

[@bryna7]

Tate human trafficked and told his followers and customers to do the same...lie to women, choke them, manipulate them etc. Bad example to use.

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

How NOT to Get a Job in the Radio Industry is one of the first videos I ever seen from you. Respect for the 10 years of content you've given us.

[@luke_cohen1]

I used to watch a guy named Mini Ladd (former member of the Vanossgaming crew) on KZbin and while he himself was entertaining in my late teens, the appeal started to wear off when I turned 20 (this was in 2019). This was especially becoming an issue when I started to what his audience was doing before the shows of his standup comedy tour (they were pretty vocal about the late 2010’s era memes they enjoyed to say the least). I eventually just stopped caring as the decade came to an end and the pandemic got going soon after. By the summer of 2020, Mini was exposed for creepy behavior with underage female fans and other issues and was canceled as a result. That said, I still think about how crazy his fans were on a day to day basis. Not a group I would want to associate with at all.

[@paydenmclaughlin4366]

What’s Jasper’s J’opinion on this?

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

There's a VAST difference between someone who happens to be a fan of a youtuber doing something bad and a large part of a youtuber's fanbase using his quotes and ideas to do bad stuff. It's disingenuous to equate the two. There's a difference between one of your subscribers doing a crime (which is NOT your responsibility), and most of Andrew Tate's fanboys treating women like trash and quoting him directly (which IS his responsibility) People who garner a devoted following of blind obedient followers who enact their ideas and then say "it's not my fault if all of my fans say what I tell them to" ARE responsible.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I agree that it's not your fault if, say, viewer happens to go and shoot some police from his tractor. That guy probably watched/listened to countless other famous people and talking heads too, they don't all bear that burden. And also I think it's pretty weak to just blame someone else for how you turned out. At the same time, I think this video downplays the concept of influence. Matt Walsh isn't just preaching to people who already hated trans people. This topic is kind of new ground to most people and many people who watch him may not have existing strongly held beliefs on the topic, so when he makes some propaganda where he shows all the trans people and their supporters are completely crazy and guys like him who want to stop them are just really smart and sensible, it does have a lot of influence over a lot of people. Similarly, if you're constantly spreading a message to a large audience that some person or group is a threat to them and their way of life, and then some people in the audience belive you and decide to take that to it's logical conclusion and harm that person or people, that's kind of on the person talking too, even if it does lack a specific call to action.

[@CoolguyMcCool]

I had trouble with being myself growing up. I always followed the beliefs of whoever talked the loudest or seemed the coolest. It wasn't until I was 18 that I realized how pathetic that existence is and started thinking for myself

[@Bloodglas]

saying that creators "birthed" their audience is ridiculous. it's more like they're a beacon that draws in a certain kind of person. if you make a lot of chill content you'll probably attract chill viewers, if you make content constantly shitting on others you'll get viewers that enjoy shitting on others.

[@clairestark9024]

Its an interesting mixture of ego and self loathing to presume your responsible for other people's bad decisions. I wonder if it ever occurred to idubz to address those fans he met misconceptions in a productive way like "Well as long as you understand its for entertainment and not how you should conduct yourself irl.".

[@patrickbrooks8748]

people can be deeply influenced by what they watch but its a lot more than that, before Idubbz was a thing the kids who use the n-word as way to push buttons were the neglected kid in elementary school who couldn't stop making 9/11 jokes.

[@theattila567]

Idubbz didn't say "say N****R" multiple times, he recorded a clip of it and in the clip you can see he only said it once. It was still a pretty fucking stupid stunt that had no payoff, and was pointless.

[@WilliamBrowning]

Kids approach idubz saying 'I know you probably don't like people like me' and black kids directly told him that his fans bullied them using the n slur. He isn't blameless for that.

[@GiovannisDaedra]

Don't worry Buckley, I don't even own a tractor

[@matthewpickard6464]

To be fair, he only said "Say N***er" once because he thought it would be funnier than say cheese, though even he admitted it was only her reaction to the statement that made it funny. He wasn't spamming the N word.

[@diodora2381]

Some people take the angry asshole character you do too seriously sometimes, but I always saw it for what it was, a character. Not something to emulate. I've been watching your videos since I was a young laddie, and now I'm out of school and all grown up with a job, and my first response isn't to be an unbelievable prick to everyone, in fact I'm rather corgil with most people, more now than ever. Being an asshole to random people for no reason doesn't make you funny, it just makes you an asshole vs playing an assholish character for people who want to hear it online. I wouldn't be surprised if you were soft-spoken and barely have a temper around people and just play the character in the privacy of your own closet for your own cathartic release.

[@vanzy01]

The art the types of people who took the angry video game nerd seriously.

[@Angry-Romper]

Im probably looking too far into this but just from they way I understood the situation. I dont really feel like the Idubz situation is comparable to the example you gave in 6:24 . My reason being, there is a separation between you and that person that is not given to Idubz, and the frequency of incidents. He wasnt talking about one guy, doing one thing, thats only connected to him by the information they shared on their wall. Hes talking about multiple situations, where multiple people approach him, and act as though they assume he is willing to act that way with them. To make it a bit more comparable to your situation, lets say you first made a joke about going on "GTA Stardew valley" Rampages and you found out people who actually do want to do that kind of thing gravitated towards your content, and then once a month, groups of people approach you, asking you if you want to go on a GTA Stardew Valley Rampage". He had real people, who really had those opinions he joked about, gravitate towards his content (not saying they are the same people who approached him personally, but just that they both exist.) Maybe if that happened to you as often as what happens to him, you may see the situation differently. On top of that, He lives in the states, im sure being approached by a group of people yelling slurs is probably way scarier there than it is here in Canada, Id do my part to distance myself from being in that situation too. Anyways, thats just an old dudes opinion on YT lol On a side note, A lot of people say this came from Anita, and hate Anita for it. Personally, I think it has to do with his interactions with Sam Hyde, and how he ended up spending a lot of time around a guy who you cant tell when hes joking and when hes not, and seeing how many people were willing to follow him around mindlessly, I would think that would start some self reflection for someone in his position. Anyways, good video.