ADV NEWS AUG 2024 | ROYAL ENFIELD 450 SCRAM | DUCATI 450 ENDURO | KAWASAKI VERSYS 1100

[@user-gil-e]

I am enjoying the 450 Himalayan. I kept the old one for around three years. I will be keen on the rumoured 850 should it be built.

[@matusknives]

It will be interesting to see, whether the 450 Scram will be based on the Himalayan, or on the Guerilla (probably closer/cheaper way to go about it).

[@paulf2534]

Great vid and I agree about Charley and Ewan. LWR got me back into riding bikes again and I will be looking forward to their latest trip.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Thanks Paul 👍

[@davidc1961utube]

The RE that interests me is definitely the Himalayan. I will always pick function first, including weight, price second, looks from the rider position third (including pretty TFTs), and looks from off the bike last. The Versus I am interested is a stroked 300 to 400 cc twin, with a heavier flywheel. Electric bikes are city only to me until range gets to 200 miles at least. Swappable batteries would also get there for me. Old guys on old bikes will definitely get a like from this geezer! Cheers, and good to see you more chipper this week!

[@benjamin.f.b.]

RE s new line up is amazing. even disconsidering the low acquiring and maintaining costs. However there is one problem: My old 411 does not die, ever. 40'000miles of oil, tyre, pad and chain changes, and valves every 6000miles, dropped it 50 times and crashed it twice

[@willyd-adv]

That Can Am will be perfect for me in NZ. We do around 80-100km a day all on our local trails.... which start 1km from my house. I would only use it as a local bike and my Mt450 foe bigger adventures

[@akiuliano]

450’s seem to be the new flavor. Definitely a place for them. I’m interested in if Aprilia will throw their new 457 onto a smaller Tuareg. I would buy that in a heartbeat. They are placing them in a new Guzzi.

[@leeroykelly781]

Making a 450 Tuareg makes more sense than what some people were suggesting for a “mini-Tenere,” which they suggest a 300cc variant. If Yamaha and Aprilia would make “mini” versions of their advs, 450cc seems like a reasonable minimum. This is coming from someone who wants to see a wr300r, a light(er) Japanese dual sport.

[@LostnRunning]

That Triumph looks gorgeous, no wonder why you can't stop thinking about it 🙂 The CanAm badly needs more range. I'm all for another Charlie & Ewan adventure, they got me interested in adventure riding to begin with. I love their bike choices, good stuff.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Yep, Long Way Down was the seed that led me to the off road world as well 👍

[@billcotton1551]

Solid , you could carry solar panels on your back, to get more range on the Can-Am.

[@chroniclesofsolid]

😅

[@fluffycat087]

Nope, you would need a very large panel or a week of good weather for a small packable one.

[@roadstrom]

I only need a bike that can do dirt roads, and be an excellent long hauler on the black top. I just keep buying V-Strom 650's.

[@robpinter5431]

84km range for $14K+ US$....sure what a great deal.....even pedal assist bicycles have a better range and with no rego or insurance costs....

[@SirOsisofLiver]

Not at 85km/h they don't. Motorcycles are a tough nut to crack because of poor power density of batteries and crappy aerodynamics. I was really hoping CanAm would get back into ICE enduro/motocross models. Shame.

[@falcn12]

@@robpinter5431 I'd rock one for commuting if they were less money

[@glennboy66]

A ducatti 698 enduro adventure would be great but its going to be expensive the AJP PR7 is the unicorn thats available now

[@davidc1961utube]

As long as you are in Europe, true. Not so much in the Americas...

[@glennboy66]

@@davidc1961utube Actually in America they are taking off and eating up the stock.

[@_hold_the_line_]

AJP for the win, but they're too expensive and hardly available in Australia.

[@stoicwarrior346]

​@@_hold_the_line_Same situation in South Africa,very expensive with an old husky motor.

[@glennboy66]

@@_hold_the_line_ I did the figures on setting up a crf450l, ktm690, ktm 500, gas gas 700, and after you add what the Ajp comes with stock it’s actually good value and available in Australia but be quick as only a few getting imported because they haven’t got the stock to keep up with demand.

[@alessandroroca8113]

Would be great a road test of the CF 450 MT (21 inch front wheel). Is it possible?

[@scanadaze]

Question. Which motorcycle brand in the Touring class at 650cc brand new with the least amount to about no technology?

[@FernitoAM]

Hi mate, that cam am i think will have its place. A lot of people, even in Oz, drive their bikes on trailers and then just enjoy around the area they eant to explore. In that light, these bikes can be a good proposition

[@Iambatman1939]

It’s strange that Royal Enfield would be bringing out a 450 Scrambler to compete with the soon to be released 450 Guerrilla? Unless they’re dropping the lower capacity scrambler altogether.

[@dankorolyk5917]

Totally agree with your comments about Long Way Home

[@steveh545]

I love the Long Way series. Admittedly couldn’t get through the 3rd trip. Always wonder if it’s worth revisiting. Retro bikes…cool

[@drzrider3440]

Love the idea of Ducati getting into these new sumo and dirt bikes. As far as CanAm...its a start. Here in the USA we have routes called BDR's....Backcountry Discovery Routes. Long remote rides. A guy just finished riding the longest most remote ride...the Idaho BDR which is 1350 miles long. With half the gas stations for refueling are in dirt road towns. He was able to charge ever day. He did it on that big Zero Adv bike. He is the first. So its a start and cant wait to see where it goes in the next 5 to 10 years. When riding in remote wilderness, it sure would be nice to have a quiet ride. Would see more wildlife.

[@falcn12]

Back to their roots. 😂

[@estobon]

Scram 450 as in different from the guerilla 450?

[@superchargedpetrolhead]

yep, guerilla 450 is a roadster with 17 inch wheels and short travel suspension...this will be same suspension as himmy but with 19 inch wheel

[@shaarodmahanta2473]

​@superchargedpetrolhead it might get 18" wheels 🤔

[@osimnod]

It's hard to believe it's already been 20 years since LWR but it's true. Have the DVD set and watched it a few times for entertainment. They helped launch the ADV genre (yes, I know there were others before them but not with the coverage and reach) which has been fun to see it evolve. With the TAT, TET and BDR's (in USA), we have an abundance of opportunities for almost any skill level and bike. Looking forward to LWH's release.

[@Dan-56]

When you come right down to it, is the Can-Am’s combined motor and swing arm all that much different from an electric, or for that matter ICE, scooter 🤔?! It’s just in a more “off road” style frame and wheel configuration.

[@mickleblade]

Canam have launched that bike to nail down the patent and copyright, clever. In a few years, if the battery tech gets there, they could do very well

[@flyingkiwi215]

They already have the 450 scram out. It’s called the Guerrilla

[@DiveTrainerDan]

Think I am more interested in a 650 royal enfield scrambler.

[@yorkchris10]

The can-am ad is filmed around Griffintown district of Montréal. Around here anything with Bombardier on it will sell. The people that bought Bombardier acid battery community vehicles really liked them here and were reluctant to let Bombardier buy them back when died. Personally, I'm a can-am fanatic. I've owned four enduro bikes and was interested when they started making trikes and now bikes, but I just couldn't justify buying one without a use case. Everyone keeps pointing to the Scram in that diagram and no-one seems interested in the Rally looking image.

[@cliffordjordan9577]

Can Am is just as garbage as the province they filmed in 😂 good luck making it past the laurentians with that range bud

[@davidcauchi2837]

Thanks for the updates; Great Production and information on models. I do like Charlie and Ewen because they did put Adventure Riding out in the open for Riders to take up. David...Adelaide.....Triumph Scramblers....1200X...&....900....

[@chroniclesofsolid]

Cheers David 👍

[@fluffycat087]

CanAM drive chain system is pretty much the same as my BMW 650 GT scooter...hehe, very innovative. I love the improvement in battery tech lines....bit like the fusion will be here soon lines. Even if a dual density solid state battery arrives ...holding breath. Range/weight will be a problem for EV ADV's.

[@green_genie]

I might be in the minority but if that can am was $14k Aud I would buy it in a heartbeat despite the range. I think it's going to be too expensive by the time it's landed here in Aus. I have a 40km round trip commute to work which it would be perfect for and I am lucky enough to live within 5km of state Forest and extensive off-road trail network. If it was priced right I could absolutely justify it as a commuter and weekend play bike.

[@neoshot101]

More interested in himalyan 650

[@hughmac7423]

I have two bike, 1988 Lowrider and 2022 Pan Am, 30+ years between buying new bikes, so although I like Kawasaki bike, I'm not the type to change my bikes like people do with phones. Can-am off road bike with only 100km range seem pointless, the battery would be flat by the time you got to the dirt roads. I like the Royal Enfield 450 Himalayan, if I was in the market, that would be my choice. The Old Way There looks cool, I will watch it.

[@patrolmaverick]

I'd love to have a ride of the Can-Am, but 72nm seems a bit weak. Even my e-bike (mountain bike) has a 90nm motor

[@falcn12]

Very much want to see a Duc 698 DS

[@samhill3496]

Good vid

[@gregorbabic7664]

I don’t see the need to update the Versys to an 1100. Seems the current offering has all the necessary tech and enough power. Plus I don’t think they sell enough of them to justify a new engine. Unless the engine will be shared with other models…

[@TabJoy7]

I LOVE my Scram 411... Would love it in a 450cc. But I don't want it to look like the Himalayan 450. I like the current style. They can remove those side panels though. Unnecessary.

[@northsidedork_3043]

What is a good motorcycle that I can rip around in the sand dunes and still be able to comfortably ride at 70mph with traffic?

[@jonomasonILoveU]

Still a no to RE due to powerless heavy ugly, but yes to Ducati. I love kTm😁.

[@niceguyrides]

The problem is that they are not using the best battery tech. They could double the range with the best batteries out there.

[@leeroykelly781]

In addition to lack of actual demand, iirc Canada is attempting to phase out internal combustion vehicles which is the only leg the Origin stands on.

[@andersmattsson7170]

I would stick with the 450 Himalayan.

[@tracythorleifson]

I love that swingarm drivetrain in the Can-Am, but as an ADV the bike is useless because of the dang range problem. Surely Can-Am understands this, so what’s the point? It’s so frustrating. If manufacturers would lean into the range issue and concentrate on MX or trials bikes, or even just little around town runabouts, where range isn’t a necessary, maybe it’d be another story. And, yeah, that Ducati 698 single is a beast. It would make for a killer dual sport or light ADV.

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

Can Am never advertised it as an 'adventure bike', so it's a moot point. Their background is MX, and 84km is about what you can expect from an MX or Enduro bike in hard riding conditions. So the bike really is on point. The only question is how it performs, and if it would hold up against a typical 250cc.

[@tracythorleifson]

@@BobSacamano-dy3wg - Bob, you might want to check your math. 84 kg is 185 pounds. The Can-Am Origin weighs in at _412 pounds._ The new Triumph TF 250-X, an absolute baller of an MX bike, weighs in at 230 pounds. If Can-Am ditched about 2/3 of the Origin’s battery weight, plus the ADV/rally fairing, you _might_ have a pretty decent MX bike, and something you could quickly charge between 30 minutes plus 2 lap races. Which was kinda my whole point in the first place.

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

@@tracythorleifson I said 84 kilometers of range, didn't say anything about weight...

[@tracythorleifson]

@@BobSacamano-dy3wg - Ah. Sorry about that, Bob! My comment still stands, though. The Origin is way too heavy for MX. But you don’t need 84 km for a single MX race. Especially for amateur racing. Lose most of the battery weight, lose the fairing weight, a la Sur-Ron, and you might be talking a decent MX bike. 😃

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

Concentrating on their big battleship ADVs shows just how out of touch most manufacturers are. The huge success of the CF Moto 450 MT highlights this growing trend away from the heavyweights. Kawasaki, forget the 1100, launch a versys 400.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

Why is a rear 18" better than a 19" on an enduro/adv?

[@iridium771]

Not sure as far as performance, maybe marginally easier to lean the bike/lower seat height. Main reason is 18’’ is a much more common rear tire size so there’s more choice when it comes to buying tires

[@jimtitt3571]

You get more tyre cushioning and flex so more traction and less punctures, 19" give more precise handling as the tyre is lower profil. It's the same as on a car.

[@MfrOffroadRiderNorCal]

I would chose the 450 Himalayan not a fan of the cast wheels on a scrambler!

[@dualsportscandinavia353]

Himalyan's launch of 450 + 650 wins over KTM's launch of scrapped 490 Adventure Enduro R. Would be interesting if China aka CFMoto launch a substantial weight cut 450 Dual Sport ´n´ Supermotard of the 450MT

[@WyDave]

KZbinr Joe Ryan has ride series on Himalayan, Scram & new 450. Also, any insight into KTM's financials? Read where they lost $2.5 billion (Euros or US dollars depending on which article you read), cutting Husqvarna & Gasgas brands, and moving more production to China. Absolutely enjoy your weekly videos! Look forward to them each Saturday.

[@giuliobuccini208]

About Adv electric bikes: it would be feasible to have a detachable extra-light super-efficient 50cc engine to recharge your EV bike during your stops in the Backcountry? You could decide to leave at your hotel and explore the trails around enjoying the silence. Or you could decide to leave it mounted on the bike. This should allow to have a smaller and lighter battery... 🤔

[@leeroykelly781]

Correct me if I’m wrong, are you suggesting a two wheeled Prius?

[@fluffycat087]

You would need a reasonable output so something 150cc plus generator and fuel tank say 20kg extra. Then factor in the hour or 2 charge time, then the load of that weight on the battery and the loss of range ....totally feasible.

[@giuliobuccini208]

@@leeroykelly781 😂😂😂 not really.

[@giuliobuccini208]

​@@fluffycat087 I found a 2.5 Kwh/15 Kg generator on Ebay. Anyway, the point is different: I think that any capable manufacturer can design an integrated gasoline generator with a low weight. By using aluminum, magnesium, and titan-made design I think that weight can be cut almost by half. Adding a 20 Kwh additional battery on a e-motorcycle can cost from 2000 to 3000 additional dollars, and the added weight is more than 20Kg... I have not a clear view, but I think this idea should be explored...

[@fluffycat087]

@@giuliobuccini208 most certainly, there was a great design for a crankless reciprocating generator for hybrids, piston at each end of the rod and coil in the middle could use multiple fuels as well. 15kg is good add fuel but still good. Better to make the bike lighter though as heading into 200 kg lard bike territory.

[@charliequach6399]

5 to 10 years from now, advancement in battery technology will enable manufacturers to extend the range to +500 km. Hopefully inflation is under control or we will have to pay 50K for one of these EVs. 😂

[@thomasb4764]

650 Scrambler

[@chroniclesofsolid]

It’s called the Bear 650 and we should see it end of the year or early next 👍

[@thomasb4764]

@@chroniclesofsolid oooh boi!! Any Details out yet?

[@chroniclesofsolid]

@thomasb4764 I covered it in either last months adv news or the one before 👍

[@thomasb4764]

@@chroniclesofsolid NICE! will ckeck it out, cheers

[@Blurten1]

It's always been Kawasaki not Kawazzzzarki

[@G-Man01]

Varoity is the spoyce of loyfe 😂

[@gabrielkopp2036]

I have agreed Japanese manufacturers are sitting on their hands all except yamaha their are sitting on something and it's not their hands or their bum

[@jessbailey6718]

Wasting your time CanAm!

[@DavyRo]

The range of the Can am is enough for people to totally dismiss even considering buying one. At the price point it is, it doesn't make any sense at all to me. I still can't get my head around the fact, no one has thought about connecting a dynamo to the rear wheel. This way the more you ride the more you're recharging the motor. But what do I know?

[@SirOsisofLiver]

I takes more energy to spin the dynamo than you can get out of it due to mechanical and electrical losses. Adding a dynamo would just use up the battery faster.

[@falcn12]

You can't charge a battery with the energy you are removing from the battery.

[@lachy1709]

I just hope the scram450 still has that nice classic bike look rather than new modern styling they went with for the Himalayan 450

[@christovonlimbo]

Great vid. What about the reduction in the national speed limits? Technology has advanced leaps and bounds, making vehicles safer and stable at higher speeds. Talk about dumb policies and karens.

[@user-nt6te5ej9o]

Still weigh around 450lbs? No, I'm good...

[@apriloneal3397]

Big nothing burger on your ALL CAPS DUCATI NEWS

[@VisivisiV]

I'd be interested in a stripped down himalayan without all the electronic dad features. Failing that, RE have lost me completely with this generation.

[@GRamerDim]

why have they lost you with this generation? RE is on the up and rising and I doubt they'll miss you as a customer