Advanced Lifting Does Not Apply To You | Starting Strength Network Previews

[@kentrolla]

Training myself for 18 years, 100's of clients for 12. I can honestly say, there's nothing more efficient than giving a beginner Rip's 3x5s. It's really that simple. Over complicating workouts is inefficient.

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

it will not lift it self

[@fabioq6916]

Lots of beginner programs work. Where SS sucks is after that

[@kentrolla]

@@fabioq6916 Every beginner program will work, because it's compared to doing nothing instead. Doesn't mean it's as efficient. SS is meant as a foundation, literally in the name in case you missed it... "Starting". Hence why it's not called "Strength After that"...

[@nicksidor]

This is great. I had a guy that I was training online - a complete novice - and was increasing his strength with every session for a little over three months. He comes to me one day and says, "Why aren't I doing a push, pull, legs split, 6x/week," (he was also running 3x/week). I tried to explain something similar to this, but it fell on deaf ears. Some people can be getting amazing results but still think that they need more, or something different, instead of having a longer term vision and approach. I like to keep things very simple and if someone is getting stronger, gaining size, losing fat, increasing cardiovascular capacity - whatever it is - then something is being done right. I guess it's human nature to think more, more, more will be better, or that just anyone can handle more - but the major oversight is that the person who is doing a lot has years of mileage, experience, and building up to that point.

[@williambiagi1386]

Man, You nailed it! This is part of Human Nature though... just like trying to fix things that ain't broke, or fixating on ones losses rather than on their wins - even years later.

[@paxter7989]

Age 60. Raw, no wraps, sleeves, straps, contraptions, or anything but good squat shoes and chalk. Lifetime natty. Based on 1RM calcs can still go 535/425/525 @242. Rarely push big doubles and live in 5, 4, 3 space and largely SS linear progression. Only dabble in intermediate prgramming in rare boredom stretches or meet fantasy moments. I rarely get hurt and focus on holding gains and good health while I try to maintain my weight line. In very rare breaks, travel, life events, etc. I always default immediately back to LP 5s. Read SS book. Do book. Lose ego. Rinse, Repeat and Reflect.

[@meruemo776]

425 bench.. holy moly. That's insane being 60yo + natty

[@Filosofuerza]

I met Rip at the Feb 2018 Austin Seminar. Since, I did my best to teach the method verbatim. Everyone that followed the program made never-before-imagined progress. So many people should just get their 3x5 add 5 pounds.

[@paulfroelich1024]

Former distance runner. This would 100% apply to distance running as well. If you want to start competing in HS cross country meets, you don't start aping Kenesia Bekele's workouts two months in.

[@martystrasinger3801]

I think the same principle applies to many vocations. The exercises a first year piano student does don’t apply to a person who performs with orchestras for a living.

[@vancemcnulty8242]

Amen. I remember trying to follow (insert famous lifter's) program and wondering why progress was slow and stopped within just a few months, getting utterly frustrated, joints hurting blah blah blah. It's always the same terminal point.

[@Flatpickmastery]

People that need to hear this will not listen. I was and idiot kid that did all the bullshit one would need to do to not get stronger. And so I det strong. Until doing starting strength, and for the last 2 years been doing alright. Nothing crazy but I got a 225 press so that's alright for 2 years of not messing around ha 315 bench , 375 sqaut, 440 deadlift

[@williambiagi1386]

No matter what your Goals are, those are impressive numbers there!

[@wereham]

I'd pay 37.50 for that t shirt!

[@beskeptic]

What a GREAT video! Thank you uncle Rip!

[@trevorvarney4900]

The most excellent advice ever given. I know this myself as a newbie and trying to follow some advanced workouts, that I dd not know were advanced. Keep it simple and add weight

[@doctt6639]

I knew there was a reason the Arnold Schwarzenegger twice a day 3 hour total, six day a week training didn’t seem to put any muscle on my skinny little 15 year old ass back in 1980 something LOL. No kidding there was an entire generation that trained this way and wow did it make you sore.

[@ramieskola7845]

That was his comp preparation program. The off season mass building was something completely different.

[@coolcobracommand]

Ya gotta be on gear for that to work. Your body repairs so much faster.

[@dennisthorson4159]

Wow. I can get behind this.

[@bcspride]

".The hard part is ignoring the noise..." YEP!

[@MaRaX93]

This is so true. It's extremely funny to me to see novices/early intermediate doing 6 month long training blocks

[@meruemo776]

Alot of my friends are doing push pull legs x6 days a week because of this

[@farhanhussain_]

Even more stupid thing is when a beginner or novice uses bro split right from the beginning and priorities isolation stuff the most.

[@jaydaemon_con1574]

Why does that first set of 5’s seem so brutally difficult, and the third set of fives is really hard but don’t feel as heavy

[@RafaelCDet]

I'd say you're not warming up properly, or it's just that mental factor of "i don't know if i can lift this" in the 1st set vs "i've already done 2 sets, just 5 more reps" in the 3rd set.

[@MrPtrlix]

warming up

[@jd0879]

@@RafaelCDetI think it’s the second one

[@horseman3222]

I wanna be like Rip...

[@marcoleone8189]

Perfectly said! I see white belt lifters doing black belt exercises all the time. Unnecessary Esoteric low output exercises that don't make any sense when you can't squat your own body weight.

[@connorw360]

Reading practical programming for strength training, and I am looking at starting the intermediate program of the texas method of 3 days a week, with the focus on competing in powerlifting next year. It says to start at 70%, but what are the weekly percentage increases? Also do yous have an app or excel spreadsheets so calculate this and so I can have it all on my phone.

[@andrewalexander1086]

That woman never smiles

[@rns7426]

She’s mad because she has to add another 5 lbs forever. It never stops! Add 5 lbs!!!!

[@LordoftheSith]

She’s an android

[@andrewalexander1086]

@@LordoftheSith I just find her expression shows I don’t want to be here, even in the videos RIP uses her to demonstrate she still looks miserable

[@Mukation]

@@andrewalexander1086 Or you know, she just doesn't feel the need to pretend to smile at her job?

[@rd-ch1on]

​@@andrewalexander1086 Never trust people who are always smiling and never swear.

[@julabask]

I am confused why does everyone in this video giving advice look insanely out of shape though. This is how I look when I stop working out and just give in to being sedentary at my desk job and accept being obese. It looks like they all have a waist to hip ratio of 1.08+ and have metabolic disease. Why would I follow this if they can't even stay in athletic shape. They say do the program of the guy I want to be like. Why would I want to do the program of the guy who looks identical to me when I was at my fattest body fat just eating cheeseburgers. I don't need a workout program to do that.

[@camronk3422]

For Starting Strength, as the name suggests, their goal is to make you stronger, which for a novice linear progression calls for an addition of body weight to facilitate the growth of muscles and thus an increase in strength. Really the only exception to this would be if someone is already morbidly obese as they are essentially already surrounded by "food" in the stored energy in their body. By their definition, becoming stronger and the resulting increase in muscle mass is "athletic shape", the aesthetics of someones body is not the goal. For the second comment, I think you misunderstood what he said. At the end of the video, Rip is describing a mistake the vast majority of lifters make in the gym, which is trying to replicate the programming of those who we desire to emulate/look like/be as strong as/etc. The reality is if you are not sufficiently strong yet, you don't need a complicated training program, you simply need to do basic programming and get stronger as a whole; the programs of advanced trainees are written the way they are because it is required to continue to build strength beyond what a novice linear progression can provide.

[@gregjeanfreau8027]

@@camronk3422 OK, but what I always wonder is - when do they finally stop adding weight (i.e. fat) and get to a respectable BMI? This is not healthy. Yes, they are strong and when I get fat I get stronger and when I lose fat, I get weaker. I understand this. But, there are people in the world who are strong, not genetic "freaks" and not sporting a 48 inch waist.

[@camronk3422]

@@gregjeanfreau8027 Agree. This is my fundamental issue with their approach. The goal is strength, essentially at the cost of whatever it takes to achieve that, including achieving a very high BMI that is backed up by mountains of data as a negative health marker. I do think many humans are severely weaker than they should be, but I'm not sure the approach of sacrificing everything to achieve the highest possible strength is a wise and fully developed goal. That said, you can't argue with their program given it's specific goal - it absolutely works if you desire strength. At some point, the benefit seems to be shadowed by other health detriments.

[@keithnone6860]

Thanks for the info and thanks for showing me what not to do