Can Women Preach or Pastor?

What Paul was speaking was prophetic direction at that specific time. He also says in the same book "women should cover their heads or else shave their hair off." (1 Corinthians 11:6). This also obviously does not apply to women of all time, but was prophetic direction for these specific women at that time.
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[@judysookoo4300]

God's word does not change. We cannot add or take away from His word.

[@user-zo2ud4hs6k]

My thoughts exactly and that's what I was going to comment.

[@marvellbgry]

She obviously didn't adhere to that verse 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@mrredcrafter8587]

1 Timothy 2:12?

[@mrredcrafter8587]

Christ is the head of man, and man is the head of woman. Maybe we can allow the women to teach outside the congregation, to children, and maybe other women, but certainly not men. I'm sorry, but if you clapping hands like that, finding excuses, having to blame the time period there, and not reading the whole Word regarding women and teaching, you're simply disobedient. 9, did Paul say, "...as the law also says."? So it wasn't just for that certain period or because women were loud... interesting she just threw that out...

[@juliejoe5366]

Check out Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. --- take a note on "neither male nor female".... We need to leave the outdated & misinterpreted patriarchal interpretation of verses

[@unonimous514]

The bible doesn't say that the women were too loud or anything, this is the exact reason he said women shouldn't speak in church or have an authority over a man, for it is her who was deceived first not man

[@salimacarter5061]

THANK YOU!

[@vnrr5971]

People will change the word to fit their behavior

[@laremabella]

Want to know WHY the woman was deceived first? Because Adam was not fulfilling his duty of protecting her and satan saw that and preyed on her. So the man was not doing his job. Satan knows how influential women are so he attacked the stronger one.

[@unclerhombus]

Right. This woman in the video is completely fabricating this claim of “women being loud” in that specific church.

[@laremabella]

Being deceived doesn't disqualify a person from anything. Your perception and interpretation is not in alignment with God's heart. Yours is the view of a religious spirit

[@foreverendeavoramen333]

It wasn’t just back then, it is also happening today.

[@SkinCareLuver]

She's twisting his wordsm What a Jezelbel. That's like saying God wasn't saying that most homosexuals shouldn't be homosexual because of what they were doing without marriage

[@ronaldpettifurd5957]

@SkinCareLuver nailed it. My brother isn't it kind of scary how many of our supposed Brothers and Sisters in Christ have absolutely zero discernment. You know if people have a hard time figuring this out the mayor is going to be more and more lost as we get closer to the last days. They can't handle any delusion whatsoever when God said he's going to allow for strong delusion

[@Ryzen94]

It never states that's how women were acting at the time. That's a scapegoat

[@ALVintageOutboards]

She's a heretic!

[@ALVintageOutboards]

And a false teacher

[@suzannemartin6817]

@@ALVintageOutboardsbe careful. 1. There are writers from that age you know. Josephus etc. do You think she just made that up?? Or perhaps it’s historically true. 2. If you read the whole chapter you may have to swallow hard and that’s ok. The passage being discussed has ZERO to do with women preachingZero,

[@ALVintageOutboards]

@@suzannemartin6817 you can discuss that with Jesus. Peace ✌️

[@smokeweed2542]

​@@suzannemartin6817 can you enlighten us as to where in the bible said that they were having that behaviour since you know more?

[@zed6899]

1 Timothy 2:12, which states, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." ❗ that is a general 'law'

[@C.A.S7447]

Ephesians 5:25 also states you love your wife as Jesus loves the church and gave himself up for her. Hmmm. 😂

[@zed6899]

@@C.A.S7447 but that has absolutely nothing with the topic! 😅😉

[@Blablablue]

@@C.A.S7447it has nothing to do with the topic..

[@danielaramburo7648]

@@nothingbutlove3449maybe i misunderstood you, but did you say that a woman can take away from a man the authority that G gave him over his woman? If your husband says “help me rob the bank” you should say no, stealing us a sin. But if his command is not contrary to G’s law, then you must obey him.

[@zed6899]

@@nothingbutlove3449 how Christ is the head of the man , the man is the head of the family

[@ayedee2036]

I'm a woman. I know as a woman, we tend to be people pleasers. It makes it difficult to share the whole truth of God. We don’t want to hurt/offend people, it's just in our nature. I believe all of God’s word is true and applicable to us today and therefore would never go to a church with a woman as Pastor.

[@ayedee2036]

@@kmountain5533 of course. I was speaking in generalities. I still stand by the fact that the Word of God is perfect and true. 1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. It doesn't mean men are better than women. We have different roles.

[@ayedee2036]

@@kmountain5533 the laws regarding indentured servitude were not the same as the slavery that we read about in history books. Do you have a chapter and verse regarding women ordering slaves around?

[@ayedee2036]

@@kmountain5533 This covering not only means a cloth but also can refer to a woman’s hair length. How can we say that? We must take this verse in the context or the setting in which it is presented. "Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering" (1 Corinthians 11:14-15). Therefore, in the context of this passage, a woman who is wearing her hair longer marks herself out distinctively as a woman and not a man. The Apostle Paul is saying here that in the Corinthian culture, when a wife’s hair was longer than her husband’s, it showed her submission to his headship. The roles of the male and female are designed by God to portray a profound spiritual lesson, that is of submission to the will and the order of God.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@ayedee2036]

@@kmountain5533 "men stealing" was prohibited by God. Although God liberated the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt, slavery is not universally prohibited in the Bible. Slavery was permissible in certain situations, so long as slaves were regarded as full members of the community (Gen. 17:12), received the same rest periods and holidays as non-slaves (Exod. 23:12; Deut. 5:14-15, 12:12), and were treated humanely (Exod. 21:7, 26-27). Most importantly, slavery among Hebrews was not intended as a permanent condition, but a voluntary, temporary refuge for people suffering what would otherwise be desperate poverty. “When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt” (Exod. 21:2). Cruelty on the part of the owner resulted in immediate freedom for the slave (Exod. 21:26-27). This made male Hebrew slavery more like a kind of long-term labor contract among individuals, and less like the kind of permanent exploitation that has characterized slavery in modern times.

[@Kaia373]

It’s okay beloved, just because we can’t be the Pastor of a Church doesn’t mean that we don’t have our own role in God’s Kingdom! Throughout my life I have been able to minister and teach. I have been able to share my testimonies with people around me. My voice doesn’t have to be heard by hundreds of people at a time. If I can plant a seed in others who are outside of the Church that is highly valuable! I’m still on my mission, helping to win souls for Christ! Amen! 🙏🏾

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually, else we have Complementarianism. Complementarianism divides the church of the New Covenant into 2 tiers by birthright. Jesus never mentioned a 2-tiered priesthood, because that false teaching didn't exist until Paul. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. -excerpt 1 Peter 2

[@staysolid19]

Exactly well said you don't have to be a pastor to do the work of God its just not us design for women to be the leaders of a church

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@staysolid19 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.

[@staysolid19]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i she was a prophet and a judge not a pastor those are different things

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@staysolid19 (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2

[@sosapablo1789]

“I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed.” ‭‭(1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬-‭14‬) 🤔 seems pretty contextual to me.@FiveFoldChurch

[@G.mwaniki]

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

[@ALH-xj1ps]

If that's the case why is there a old an new testament. You've been conditioned to believe a book without any research of it's origin. You're simply regurgitating a bible versus out of familiarity and not for any substantive point. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJWUpJWuaremhJYsi=SHGJQXaKAzuSwHnB (Christ is not a person)

[@ogjoseywales1823]

It is stated multiple times in the Bible that women should not be the leader of the church. God created men and women for specific roles. This is not to be seen as a “blow” to women. It is not the biblically assigned role of a woman to be a pastor. You can in fact be a woman pastor if you want but it is in direct conflict with the scripture and is disobedient to the word of God. Women have there own role and it is a beautiful thing, I do not understand why modern feminism makes the biblical role of women out to be something bad, no man that I have ever met has what it takes to fulfill the role of a woman. And I’ve never met a woman who has what it takes to fulfill the role of a man. It is not a curse to women it is just Gods instructions. To say otherwise is clearly and directly DISOBEDIENT to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@entrepreneurshipeconomicsm4498]

​@@rebelforchristrepent lady, stop justifying your feminist jezebel spirit. Read and follow bible as is

[@agoodboy5435]

​@@rebelforchristthe context for that is different because it is talking about salvation and in salvation we are all one....but this is a totally different topic

[@iahelcathartesaura3887]

YES! And a woman who asserts herself as preacher or pastor Etc immediately expresses that she is afflicted with & puts herself further under a jezebel spirit. Pure and simple. 100%

[@iahelcathartesaura3887]

​​@@rebelforchrist That is not what that scripture means. Bring yourself out of childishness and into maturity in the word. I admonish you to do so, and to thereby show yourself approved.

[@abcdesara]

No, she cannot. Western feminism tries in vain. If directions for a church is JUST SPECIFICALLY for that church, then why do we even read those books?

[@yesenia3816]

I was just thinking this same thing.

[@Pickupyourcross33]

Facts

[@LoyceSingleton3-ki1cz]

No the word speaks for it's self. Don't add nothing or take anything out. Beware of false teachings.God bless the reader of this in the mighty name of Jesus

[@armaggon5920]

GOD Bless you, my brother. In JESUS name

[@gk3330]

Hey brother what about prophesy tho I’m a woman and I’ve always gotten prophetic dreams? What at your thoughts on that because I’m confused

[@armaggon5920]

@@gk3330 What types of stuff do you dream about

[@Shigami-lb6oc]

Amen

[@Samuel-zr7vd]

God words is forever and it doesn’t change. She’s a liar

[@teesawatkins5720]

no, no, no..she means- Paul.. she is quoting Paul, sir..not talking about women now days..listen again please, and you'll see/hear..🙏👍😇💜

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@amandabanks173]

I'm a woman and I agree.

[@amandabanks173]

​@@rebelforchristwhat part of that scripture means that women are allowed to preach on the church? You might as well join the lgbtq community using that scripture to prove your agenda. There is not one Instance in the bible where God allowed a woman to preach in the church. Accept it. We are called for different things. This woman is a liar.

[@christophermorris1300]

Wrong my friend, get over it!

[@jacquelineooooo]

Wives submit to their own husband not every man

[@SafeGuardYourSoul]

1 Timothy 2:11-12 clearly proves this woman is a wolf, a jezebel. Submit to God first and foremost. James 4:7

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@SafeGuardYourSoulamen

[@azoladusubana9488]

A women should submit to their GOD DRIVEN HUSBAND...A man who Walks, talks and eats with Our Father. If your husband is not born again,and forever walks with Jesus than there's no man within that man

[@azoladusubana9488]

​@@SafeGuardYourSoulGood thing you say, submit to Our Father 1st...Man out there want woman to submit to them when there's no Holy relationship within

[@TheHebrewGeneral]

​@azoladusubana9488 that's not true, if you chose that man you should still submit... by using the structure given in 1peter 3:1 concerning a man who is not obedient to the word

[@GodsSon7770]

1 Timothy 2:12 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” King James Version (KJV)

[@gk3330]

What about prophesy and what about women preaching to other women ? What’s your thoughts

[@gellostar50]

​@@gk3330 Same applies to women,for Eve was made out of Adam's rib, henceforth neither does woman preach to woman. ²² And the rib,which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.²³And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,because she was taken out of Man. -Genesis 2:22-23

[@Wendalster]

​@@gellostar50Titus 2:3 [3] Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good.

[@gellostar50]

​@@Wendalster yup, supporting the point that women are to be taught over, not to teach, praise God, sister 🙏🙌

[@Wendalster]

@@gellostar50 that was referring to women teaching women

[@Cassy858]

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams."

[@shelb-fn2ox]

Big time know it all men in this thread.I agree!

[@cecilhudson9090]

Prophecing is not preaching

[@shelb-fn2ox]

@@cecilhudson9090 The KING is coming back, all the signs are there. Over 2,000 prophesies have come true, the Euphrates is dried up and they are hearing the fallen angels underneath and you all want to literally fight over whether a woman can preach!

[@LetTheTruthBeTold8324]

@@cecilhudson9090 actually prophesying is preaching. It’s speaking under the inspiration and power of the Holy Ghost, I know , I’m a preacher.

[@dyerseve07]

@@cecilhudson9090 It is, though. Prophecy is point *TOWARD* Jesus and about him, it's not always about a future event, which...the scriptures speak of....whish is God.....John 1:1.

[@fab9037]

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@Itsfmt]

​@@rebelforchristwe all are one But only man have the authority to preach.

[@phebeangelina07]

But can do what Paul say as he writes to Titus in Titus 2: 3, 4 and 5

[@entrepreneurshipeconomicsm4498]

​@@rebelforchristso if there is no male or female should we accept transgenders in their state and for them to remain the same, and engage in same sex relations? Since there is no man or woman in christ. Men with men women with women. According to you

[@WeekendWarriorMX-ATV]

It’s about authority they should submit and not be authoritative however it also say women should speak Godliness. They can preach but not in the authoritative sense

[@noobmaster31]

"It's for that time period"...."if it fits my agenda". 1 Timothy 2:11-15: 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. This authority and teaching ties back to the order of creation. Go ahead and make the claim that the order of creation was only meant for the people in Ephesus. You can't because that would be ridiculous. These people are twisting scripture for their own gain.

[@Sarahwilliams77733]

She is deceived. I am a missionary/ sent one and have been sent to her to bring correction to what she's doing, God revealed to me that many will say to me on that day, Lord Lord. ... I so badly wanted to intercede after so long of her not repenting but just to keep praying that she would. And God allowed me to fly all the way over to Los Angeles to the church 5f and she made a comment with a stiff neck about this subject. She atest to what the demons say through people to validate her position, not the WORD of GOD.

[@gregroby3118]

He actually said IN ALL CHURCHES .. and later confirmed 1 tim 2:12-15 .. stop the madness

[@kevinrobinsonsr3456]

Absolutely. Apparently, she did not get the memo that said, "IN ALL THE CHURCHES," not just in Corinth. She needs to sit down because her interpretation is off

[@1955randys]

It still stands TODAY!

[@Kanvers_Martian]

How you knew what was happening at that time 😂

[@user-cj4xm2tw2z]

Source please

[@arthura.2587]

@@user-cj4xm2tw2z I found more than a handful. google "corinthians were chaotic people scientific paper"

[@reneerivera1426]

Exactly 😊. Its mind boggling how she took the verse out of context while saying the full verse which included Paul saying that the Law said it before he did.

[@staysolid19]

Lol women are not supposed to be pastors and leaders she trying to paraphrase it . She most likely trying to run a church

[@Elie830]

She didn’t take the verse out of context though 🥴

[@mn-gg2sm]

Yes it is for all women in every generation untill the end.

[@ALH-xj1ps]

You sound foolish.

[@3334me]

This is why I recommend every woman to read their Bibles. Read the words for yourself. Don't take anyone's word for it. It's too important. I learned this the hard way. God Bless all eyes who have seen this message. ❤

[@holyexperience1976]

I'm glad to not be a Mennonite or Amish or in any culture where a woman cannot read the Word for herself.

[@3334me]

@@livinginked7035 i agree

[@coopertown7867]

This woman is teaching lies. If you agree with what she said, you might as well just tear every letter that Paul wrote out of your Bible. After all, they were all to specific groups of people and don't apply to you🙄🙄🙄. For real, please don't seek teaching that tickles your ears. Godspeed.

[@3334me]

@@coopertown7867 I think I was a little unclear in my message. I do NOT agree with her. Men and Woman both have important jobs to do. Assigned by God. And they are different jobs. Women have started trying to do a man's job and vice versa. And it does NOT work. We have been given clear instructions and we still try to twist his words to fit our wants. And I strive to OBEY his word. I just wanted to clarify my previous comment. I hope I did that. May GOD bless you and keep you well.

[@coopertown7867]

@3334me We are on the same page now😄. I reread your original comment, and I can see how it could go either way. Women can't do everything men do, BUT men can't do everything women can either. You all can grow another human body inside of your body 😳😳😳😳😳😳Godspeed friend.

[@Hokies341]

“A woman is to learn quietly with full submission. I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭CSB‬‬

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.

[@Halloweendm]

@@user-iz8np3vv4iYou couldn’t be more wrong if you tried!

[@evelyncornejo0120]

God has used women since forever. Deborah was one of the judges in Isreal. A strong leader full of courage. The woman at the well after Jesus spoke to her ran and evangelized and told everyone of what Christ knew and did for her. The first to witness Jesus' resurrection were women and they witnessed to the men. Lydia was one of the first believers among the Europeans and became a witness in her region.God has used many women..(Esther, Ruth, Hannah, Mary, Priscilla..etc) God can use men and women. All he needs is a willing heart, fully surrendered and that loves God with all their heart, soul and strength. Lets humble ourselves and let God use whom he pleases and ask for conviction from the Holy Spirit to open our eyes. Lett us not let this divide Christ's body but let us seek for the truth through the word and Holy Spirit.

[@soraroxesventerra]

Women can't be preachers but obviously women aren't useless to God, of course women can tell people about christ, they just can't preach in churches.

[@sidneybuckaloo]

God can do whatever He pleases. If He calls a woman to lead a church then that’s His prerogative. It baffles me that people think they can judge anyone that doesn’t see things exactly as they do and call them false. Leave the judgement to God. There are no coincidences with God. If a female preacher is preaching the word of God then how can she lead people astray? Women can love God so much that they feel called to preach it. Some women are great speakers and great at articulating. Is a woman supposed to just hold herself back in her love for God? Jesus had women in His circle. He also said they can pray and prophesy. Why would it be an issue for women to have the same freedoms that Jesus spoke would be given to both Jew and Gentile? The Ethiopian woman preached about Jesus’ miracles to a town. I think it’s important to listen to the messages the male and female preachers are preaching and decide for yourself from there if you think they’re interpreting The Bible correctly. Just like any individual would do for a man.

[@soraroxesventerra]

@@sidneybuckaloo You're missing the point no one is saying that God can't do that, but God cannot lie, he does not let women preach churches. It's not sexism its for a reason, look at society now it's full of equality and full of sin.

[@sidneybuckaloo]

@@soraroxesventerra you can’t blame women wanting the same rights as men for the world’s sin. That’s ridiculous. There are male preachers who teach falsely. You can’t call all women who preach as false. God can do whatever He wants. Women preach to other women in women’s groups. Is that something they’re not allowed to do either? Only men can know how to explain and preach the word? Only men can teach women how they are supposed to act biblically? Do you truly believe that God put women on earth to only to have babies, raise children, and lift up men? Is that truly our only roles? We can be nothing outside of that. God wants nothing else for us? Why did Jesus have women in his disciple group then? All women are supposed to want and think the same way? If those are our only roles in life then why even give us the capacity to think? Why not a set number of answers to questions and things to do so we can just drone on in our daily tasks of making sure our husbands have every single thing they need and raise kids. Women are human beings with wants and needs and dreams. We have our own thoughts. God calls us individually for individual things. I’m not saying that what those few versus say are false. I’m simply saying that God created some women with leadership abilities. How can you say that God can’t or won’t call a woman to preach? Or in your eyes, as long as she’s an assistant pastor then it’s fine because she’s not actually leading the church? I believe in God’s ability to do literally anything He pleases. God is not that simple and neither is life. Do you assume that if a woman preacher helps bring other people to Christ that they are not truly saved? Or is it that you believe that a woman doesn’t have the capability to be a true preacher of God’s word and that’s she blasphemous simply because she’s a female preacher? Make it make sense to me. Are we truly meant to get water from a well, get pregnant, cook, clean, raise children, and serve our husbands? Is that truly what you think? If you lived the life you have now (I’m assuming you’re a man) and then tomorrow you woke up and we’re a woman with all of your prior memories, would you be happy doing those things only because someone tells you that’s who you need to be and how you have to be? Men get freedom in serving God and can do whatever they please and speak whenever they to whom ever they want and women get servitude of others in serving God? As a woman, I have to be whatever my husband needs? Whatever my children need? I can’t be who I am? Mind you, I’m a new Christian. I am a stay at home mother, wife, and conservative. If God didn’t want me to speak His word to anyone who needs to hear it then why did He give me the gift of being able to reach people through speech in any way they specifically need to hear it? Or is it simply that women cannot lead a church? They can prophesy all they want and help bring people to God as long as they’re not seen as leadership in the church? Explain it to me.

[@amandabanks173]

Yes. He has used women forever. But ummm.... tell me one time in the bible he has gone against his own command and a woman preached in the church... I'll wait.... he uses us yes, but not to preach in the church. That is not what women were created for. Sooner you accept that, sooner you'll understand his calling on your life. God bless. This woman is a wolf btw.

[@michaeltrefethen7206]

Let’s read the full statement “as in ALL the churches of the saints the women should keep silent in the CHURCHES (plural)” He wasn’t speaking to this church only but to all churches at all times

[@pattywinkle8791]

Joel 2 In The Last Days I will pour out my Spirit on All flesh !

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@vesselofJesusChrist]

He still isn't talking about women not being allowed to teach, prophecy, pray etc. Apostle Paul is adressing this because there needs to be order in the service. Those women were discussing their doubts/questions with their husbands and by doing so they created chaos. That's the context of what apostle Paul says here. The man is the head of the family and he wanted the women to respect this order, even in church. He is talking to the husbands for they were responsible for the behavior of their wifes. This verse has nothing to do with the calling on their lifes and the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@rebelforchrist1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@shelb-fn2ox]

READ YOUR FULL BIBLE.

[@colealexander9556]

We all want to be the hero in the story. But there’s only one hero

[@ntomzizanelezannymazwi3656]

I'm a woman, and I'm a Preacher who brings souls to the Lord 🙏🙏🙏

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

And you disobey God's word

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

​@@jamesSmith-fl5wv😂😂😂. DISOBEDIENCE is sin

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

Yes and?

[@shelb-fn2ox]

That is the dumbest thing I have heard. Look up the prophetess Deborah. You dont speak for God and that is a very unintelligent and rude thing you said to her. You have to read the whole Bible and drop the ego.@@jamesSmith-fl5wv

[@eddiecanejr2921]

😂 not to the lord of the Bible, you're leading them to the Lord of this world. I bet you celebrate the Heathen holidays, and teach others to do the same

[@gigapea1]

Don’t listen to distractions the devil has put out. Focus on Jesus

[@gerardomarquez8344]

And this is why women should keep silent ! She just interpreted the word to conforme to her and women

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@kmountain55331 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@shelb-fn2ox]

Explain Deborah the prophetess?

[@jsm530]

​@@kmountain5533she can't heal no one can simply do that. Anyone claiming that is a disturbed scam artist damned to hell

[@Halloweendm]

@@shelb-fn2oxDeborah was a Judge. She was condemnation, she was humiliation-a sign of the failure of God’s people to follow His law, not a reward or a blessing to them! She was a sign for all the world to see of the corruption and evil in God’s chosen!

[@shelb-fn2ox]

I will follow Gods word not yours. We are living in the end times and you want to argue if women should prophecy when GOD said we would. Not you poor ego filled person.@@Halloweendm

[@user-hl3tv4ck4w]

Paul was 100% speaking about every women. Look at 1 Timothy 2:8-14. He talks about every women being submissive. “I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet” he says this in not just Corinthians but also Timothy. Not only that but after he references eve eating the fruit in the garden and how she was the first one to transgress. God is taking about every women.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@user-iz8np3vv4i1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@ntomzizanelezannymazwi3656]

I'm didn't called my self I obeyed who called me. And I stand in front of men and women of God and preach God's message. There are so many wrong things we do but you only choose this. At this age. Even to judge God's people is a sin. Look at Peter when he was told to go to Cornelius's house.

[@shelb-fn2ox]

Explain the prophetess Deborah in the Bible.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@shelb-fn2ox Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised May 2023) Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand Paul (if possible). This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do. They knew the story of Deborah already. Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent, in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal. Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no scripture stating clearly or even hinting at, that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to take that place. ************************************************************* INTRODUCTION: Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings, there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons was the time of the Judges. ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Finally: All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah. She was married, but her husband was not a Judge. HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 ******************************** THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here: Now she sent word and summoned Barak... She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened, as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” And: But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple. So what were the results of this battle? And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left. Also: So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan. -excerpts Judges 4 In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there. Final sentence of Judges 5: And the land was at rest for forty years. Obviously a great outcome. EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender. FINAL THOUGHTS here: A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is. To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by God's will.

[@meripageluko7900]

Paul writes, As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. It is clearly written .

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.

[@letuswalkinthelightofthelo5350]

Gods word never changes. You can try to make it fit your agenda but his word will never bend to fit you. You bend to fit Him.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

Amen! She is a wolf

[@Christianlatimergjktd]

Wow, never heard it explained that way. I’ll bet I never will again.😮

[@coondawg]

This video is the evidence of why the Bible is eternal truth, and why 1 Corinthians is for us, today. The same yesterday today and forever. Amen.

[@lucianocornacchione]

Actually Paul completely opposed women being silent in churches. He was quoting the church of Corinth to refute them in the next passage.

[@ashleyhoward9308]

I believe Apostle Kathryn is highlighting the importance of reading the Bible in its full context. Go back three chapters before the restrictions on women speaking in the church; chapter 11 of 1 Corinthians, the Apostle Paul gives both men and women instructions on how to pray and prophesy in the church assembly (1 Corinthians 11:4-5). How can women remain silent in the church and then prophesy before the assembly?

[@tiffanyjohnson96]

Exactly, tbh I love God, and I fail Him daily in some way or another. I don't want to disrespect the Lord or His church in anyway, but sometimes I do feel that the only thing I can ask for is His wisdom, because sometimes I feel like the word can be confusing. Be bold, but be silent, shine your light, and be the salt, but be silent, spread the good news, but be silent.... ugh I'm not trying to lead the church, or anything like that. I don't ever have the credentials to do so, but sometimes I'm just confused on what exactly I'm supposed to do. I just want to obey Him and glorify Him. Thank you for your comment. I hope you have a blessed day.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@Airbnb_Portishead]

It's specific about women not preaching, but tells us prophesying and praying is okay. It seems quite clear there.

[@melissab7777]

She is not an apostle. If you read your bible you will see what is required to be an apostle… she does not fit the bill, nor do any today.

[@Nazareyes-zu3ul]

@@YakmonSaysItLikeItIsJust because a woman is sharing a testimony or a word of knowledge by the holy spirit does not mean she is exercising authority over a man, but the Holy Spirit has authority through a woman or a man to declare the truth regardless of gender. No doubt some women were domineering and puffed up being in competition with men as we see today, but for a sister in Christ to share a godly message is not domineering.

[@justinjironman]

The term here for "silent" in 1 Corinthians 14:34 is the Greek word sigao (σιγάω). In this text it is a 3rd person plural imperative. This means that it is a command for "those women". My guess is that those disqualifying Kathryn are more concerned with their own understanding then understanding the heart of God. How can you say “she has no idea what she is talking about.” There are many things she probably doesn’t know about, and same with me and same with you. But I can tell you one thing. She knows Gods heart! If you assume your understanding is biblical, and Godly, yet lack humility then Jesus could walk right in front of you and you would miss him. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to miss Jesus. Have you considered that the first evangelist from Jesus’ ministry was a Samaritan woman? God I pray for eyes to see, ears to hear, and hearts ready to unite the church! He is kind, so kind. He deserves our full devotion.

[@Randomaccount9470]

Muslims use similar logic when they defend the term"Strike the women "

[@user-hl3tv4ck4w]

I believe women can be great tools for god but I believe god calls men to be leaders

[@user-gv3uy1hf3c]

Evangelism is spreading the gospel and that's what every believer should do but evangelism is not the same as standing in front of the altar to preach

[@Robarrojo]

Scripture clearly states “As in all churches of the saints”. This was not a directive to a particular church, but to all churches.

[@maryvangundy2249]

Theres no such thing as a 3rd person plural imperative, the imperative is always in the 2nd person you

[@of_the_Word]

1 Timothy 2:12-14 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Nothing to do with the time and if ever there was a time to tell women to be quiet it's now.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.

[@naughtybethesda1954]

You cannot change Gods word to suit your own perspective. You don’t get to choose what things meant nor do you get to decide what’s still relevant. Proverbs 3:5-6

[@PaulWashington..]

Paul was speaking to that specific church. Paul being an Apostle had authority over all churches and different churches had different problems/issues. You will notice Paul giving different rules to Galatia,Corinth,Ephesus per the disorder of each specific church

[@PaulWashington..]

@BCaTo ask the LORD.

[@PaulWashington..]

@BCaToPhilip had 4 daughters who were Prophets. Book of Acts. Paul was an apostle, and as such he had authority to make rules in each of his churches to guide those churches in following the Holy Spirit. If you notice throughout his letters to each church, they vary. Sometimes he says one thing to one church, and sometimes something else to another. For example, to the church in Galatia he says there's no difference between men and women, Jew and Gentile, but all are the same in Christ. But in Ephesians where women were used to running things in the temple, he tells them to basically stop running things just because they're women. Even to the Corinthian church there seems to be some discrepancy. In Chapter 11 he says women are prophesying, and then in Chapter 14 he says they're silent. Part of the problem is that 1) we don't know everything surrounding why he was speaking this way, like what the issues with the church were, and 2) the rules for governing individual churches were never meant to govern the church as a whole. And the second point is really important because Paul is not the head of the church. Jesus is. And yet, many people make their foundation based on what Paul taught when they do not have revelation into what he was saying. Even Peter said that people took Paul's teachings and warped them in his day. There are examples of women teaching and leading in the Bible. Pricilla and Aquila were a husband and wife team. Also, Junia in Romans 16 was a female apostle. There were also female prophets. In all things we follow the Holy Spirit. Jesus calls women and men, and even children. He uses the weak to shame the strong and the foolish to shame the wise

[@PaulWashington..]

@BCaTo how old are you? You say to me to explain why Paul referred to law? Concerning what? Do you keep the law?

[@PaulWashington..]

@BCaTo are you 10 years old? Who was Junia? What does the Holy Spirit say? What guidelines for female Prophets and Teachers? You asked why Paul referred to the law without context . Who are the male pastors in the Bible? Be very careful how you speak to others.

[@PaulWashington..]

@BCaTo Junia was female. I did not ask you about criteria nor is there any criteria, Jesus Christ Himself chooses His ministers per Ephesians 4. Who are mentioned as male pastors? Peter was an apostle not a pastor . There is no promotion or demotion within the government of the Church. Jesus Christ Himself chooses His Apostles Prophet's Evangelists Pastors and Teachers. I am servant of the LORD. I tell you the truth and urge you to humble yourself and take this to prayer before Almighty God you need deliverance and your channel is demonic. Jesus Christ is Lord God.

[@deborahfreeman9130]

The Holy Spirit leads whom he chooses to deliver God's word. Be obedient to God .

[@sidneybuckaloo]

Simple and to the point. God does what He pleases. He calls whom He pleases to do the things He pleases. He puts things on people’s hearts and chooses those people in His own way, in His own time, and for His own reasons.

[@jasonyoung1608]

@@sidneybuckalooand some people really say they being. Are Called by god and not,

[@sidneybuckaloo]

@@jasonyoung1608 of course that happens but those of us on the outside don’t know whether they were called or not. We have to use our own intuition and discernment but even then, it could just be our own thoughts telling us that and not God.

[@owusuphilipable]

Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday today and forever, HE never changes

[@scwienert]

The Holy Spirit doesn’t contradict the word He inspired.

[@ALady4ever]

Amen, sister. Yes, the women were yelling across the aisle to verbally engage their husbands, and you are right---- it was a terrible disruption. Thank you for sharing context and rightly dividing the Word..

[@Moe-bb3bm]

TRUTH The standard is '" ALL CHURCHES" not just corinth sister. To many verses to ignore hermeneuticly. I pray you repent and get right. Scripture that interprets scripture is a correct interpretation, especially multiple ones. Stop decieving Church of Ephesus, Apostle Johns church historicly ‭1 Timothy 2:12-15 [12] I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. [13] For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. [14] And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result. [15] But women will be saved through childbearing, assuming they continue to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. I do not permit - meaning ἐπιτρέπω (epitrepō) Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular Strong's 2010: To turn to, commit, entrust; I allow, yield, permit. From epi and the base of trope; to turn over, i.e. Allow. New Covenat closed cannon Requirememts aka commands for pastors, elders and deacons. *pastor I Timothy 3:2 NKJV‬ [2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; *deacon ‭I Timothy 3:12 NKJV‬ [12] Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. *Elder ‭Titus 1:5-6 NKJV‬ [5] For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you- [6] if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. Apostle Peter is view 1 Peter 3:7 [7] In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God’s gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered. Apostle Pauls to Corinth and all churches, What part is not clear? ‭1 Corinthians 11:3 NIV‬ [3] But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. ‭1 Corinthians 14:34-35 NIV‬ [34] Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. [35] If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Jezzebel spirit- is also a spirit of feminism wants to be in control of religion but it is direct rebellion The Lord is sentence that has not been resended. Cystal clear ‭Genesis 3:16 [16] To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

[@petarecox1]

1 Timothy 2:11-14 [11] Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. [12] I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. [13] For Adam was formed first, then Eve; [14] and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

[@triplea2443]

In the last days I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh

[@vanessa32431]

So pure and simple, God's word says it all!

[@joeybyington3388]

Not to become preachers look what she is trying to do twisting GOD'S word for her gain

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

​@@joeybyington3388what happened to me. I wasn't BORN AGAIN and in Christ. I feel I BLASPHEME or something a while back and got tricked....How to get back I had gifts and talents. I sit here back in siN OR CUT OFF FROM GOD ...I didn't even fight back amd was beautiful and WHOLE.....this anger me to go back to sins and world. No spiritual LIFE. I am upset....

[@aliveinhim9793]

@@joeybyington3388 who was Junia in the bible?

[@amandabanks173]

Pouring out his spirit doesn't mean he changes his word. I am a woman. I received the holy spirit 4 years ago. Me receiving the holy spirit doesn't mean I am to become a preacher in the church. Women with the holy spirit who are actually being led by the spirit are called to teach. Not preach. Teach other women and children. Not men. Men are called to be men....and most of them these days are not answering their call. This woman has no husband and children. She's actually following her flesh, her worldy desire to "be something" I am a woman who has the holy spirit. Receiving his spirit and being obedient to his word are two different things that work together as one.

[@emmanuelkaira38]

PLIZ CONSIDER THE REASON WHY - ITS BECAUSE THE MAN WAS CREATED FIRST THAN WOMAN AND THE WOMAN WAS THE FIRST TO SPEAK AND NOT FOR THAT CHURCH ALONE. DO NOT ADD TO THE BIBLE WHAT IT HAS NOT SAID.

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@Halloweendm]

@@rebelforchristOut of context and not applicable to the subject of leadership roles in the church. You keep throwing these verses around as if they support your anti-biblical position, yet they do not. You are one of those ignorant people that attempt to use the Bible for your purpose, not God’s and the verses you use to not confirm your belief, they destroy it!

[@josephmungai1799]

Here is the whole scripture: 1 Corinthians 14:33-34 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, AS IN ALL CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS. LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENCE IN THE CHURCHES: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

[@nancysao9282]

The reason why we as women are to learn in full quietness And submission and not assume authority over man! 1: for Adam was first formed then Eve. 2:Adam was not deceived; it was Eve who was deceived and become a sinner.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@Cr8dbyHim]

In other places of the Bible, Paul praised women leaders in the church. There was Priscilla and Acquilla whom he lived with and supported. Euodia and Syntyche built churches with Paul and taught in them!!!

[@lauraschiesl8845]

Amen [Gal 3:28 NKJV] 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@tyreneruiz4724]

Where in the Bible did wo.an preach? Please tell me where to go in the bible.

[@lauraschiesl8845]

@@tyreneruiz4724 Mary Magdalene the very first preacher of all. if she hadnt told the disciples Jesus is risen and they went back to fishing where would we be now? one of the two witnesses is actually a woman but technically she sings the message not preaches it. the two witnesses are singing prophets like Isaiah and David

[@Cr8dbyHim]

Mark 16:15 Jesus said, “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.” My Bible says all ye, not just men to go preach!

[@samuelspornhauer1019]

Women from the well. First preacher of the Messiah.

[@leonhildebrand132]

Believe what you read in the Bible do not change the words except and humble yourself

[@christophermorris1300]

Are you reading the English translation or from the original Hebrew/Greek? I ask because many passages in the English translation are deluded.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@christophermorris1300dude... 1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@Teo_Ferreira]

For those of you who can’t see beyond printed words. Let’s be practical. Imagine a Sunday service at a small church, the pastor (man) suddenly cannot preach on the last minute. With no other anointed man available or willing, does a wise woman full of the Holy Spirit NOT STEP UP TO THE PLATE and preach to the congregation??? Perhaps even ordered to by Him internally. Or should we cancel the service?? Yea let’s cancel the blessings, the miracles and shut the door because surely GOD would never operate thru a soul of a woman 🥲🥲only inside the box

[@jaceschubert5442]

It’s sad how the Bible is twisted like this it’s simple 1 Timothy 2:12 but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence

[@willisnorton6583]

Please understand the bible because the scripture says what i say to one i say to all saints. So again stop mkn excuses and obey Gods word.

[@greeneyes9692]

Men don't obey the ten commandments that God wrote on stone ...so why that one stick to your brain? Yahweh Yeshua The Lord my Salvation says .....FEED my sheep with the death burial and resurrection and My Blood I shed that day on Calvery was to cleanse us from a curse of sin on All humanity.Repent

[@christophermorris1300]

the offices that women can hold based on responsibilities required. 1. Prophet (Prophetess) 2. Evangelist 3. Teacher Those three offices do not require being head of a local assembly.

[@willisnorton6583]

@christophermorris1300 please show that in the bible. Prophetess is ok but again show scripture for the others whenever u get some time. Thx

[@willisnorton6583]

@greeneyes9692 kids dont obey parents at times but does that mean they are the parents and their parents become the kids. Again please produce scripture and not personal opinions

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@greeneyes96921 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@markhuston1042]

1 Timothy 2:11-15

[@sharrellfaith]

🎯

[@ALH-xj1ps]

That's what Timothy said, not God.

[@judgejhf7848]

As a woman, this is heresy. I can say we are too emotional, so it’s hard for women to look at extremely difficult texts like what Paul said, and be able to outright just say the truth on it, especially with worldly standards changing. It’s like how women are allowing trans people into their own sports, bathrooms etc… because we have “empathy” for them to be who they are, where men are factually saying “Umm no, this shouldn’t be happening regardless of how you feel” You, lady are a prime example of this lol

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@Ididntwantausername]

Actually we really do not want them in our bathrooms and own sports

[@HumbleHands65]

There is one spirit given unto man by God. The Holy spirit...to man n women. He empowers both...both have voices, gifts, etc. He, gives wisdom to both. If, God calls you....He will equip you. Do your work and stop worrying about a woman doing hers. God, will judge...

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@remknock]

Thank you. I can't believe how many people still try and bring up that scripture when they find a woman speaking. Also the word for angel was the same word used for messenger. So when he says cover your head because of the angels he could've just meant the people bringing messages.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

Is this verse confusing? 1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@allchristnation5523]

I serve as an administrative pastor alongside my husband who is the senior pastor. I am definitely not called to be a senior pastor as I see there are reasons men serve better in this capacity. Now if there was ever a need for me to fill in until another male could lead our flock, I would definitely do so. There are cultural contexts to consider from Paul’s teaching as well as how order was instituted by God.

[@mistered4468]

I don't see ANYONE called as an administrative pastor in the Bible!. Oor anywhere else for that matter. Making it up as you go along is NOT IN LINE WITH THE WORD OF GOD. Back to basics.

[@jasonyoung1608]

@@mistered4468worldly roles

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@adankmemeindisguise1654]

When you look at every great man.. there is an even greater woman behind him, supporting him. It is the role of the wife to help your husband become a better man, husband and father. Does that mean he should become a tyrant and dictate every part of your life? No. But let him take the lead. It’s in our masculine nature. The problem with women today is they want to be masculine too but it just not the way god intended. God made men one way and made woman another for a reason.

[@iichokewesaram777]

Amen

[@owusuphilipable]

“Let him take the lead”😂 that means u were leading till that happens, u r not a Christian woman 😂

[@benjaminkontor4152]

Timothy‬ ‭2:11‭-‬12‬ ‭KJV‬ [11] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. You can not change the word of God, just because it goes against your lifestyle

[@bradmccoy7996]

She left some out, I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. Here again is a very clear text. A plain reading of this verse prohibits a woman from teaching Scripture (i.e., preaching) or in any other way exercising authority over men

[@pattywinkle8791]

Joel2 In the Last Days I will pour out my Spirit on All flesh!….

[@rebelforchrist]

Pharasy

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@cephaspetros7076]

@@pattywinkle8791This already happens in the day of Pentecost.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@pattywinkle8791do you think God has lied to us and contradicted Himself then? 1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@childofkingjesus777]

Husbands favorite scripture! Just shut up and clean and cook. The moment you get excited for the Lord Jesus Christ they accuse you of having a Jezebel spirit.

[@Cassy858]

Its a form of maipulation. I see it now. Manipulation is witchcraft!

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

You don't believe the Bible?? 1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@girlcode3564]

Yeah, just like Jesus was accused of casting out Satan with Satan, it’s eerily similar

[@eddiecanejr2921]

You might want to make sure that excitement isn't Pride

[@terichastain4179]

I hear you! Men who like to lord over women absolutely love any kind of verse that appears to back up their narcissistic abuse as "the boss" so they can use the Bible as proof of their superiority for us Church Girls. Glad I learned better.

[@stepaism]

As always some Christians hate some portions of Paul’s teachings to be applied universally and try to say it was teaching for local church for that period of time. It is universal principals of the christian faith: God the Father is the head for Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the head for men, and men is the head for the women-children.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4

[@doviciasnagg7170]

If you are called by the Lord, you are called, full stop. If Apostle is called, she is called. You will know them by their fruits, so if in doubt, observe the fruits. Remember the secret things belong the God, but those that are revealed belong to us.

[@mrs.messenger]

Exactly! Paul gave an encouraging shout out to Priscila and Aquila (wife and husband evangelist team) for what they've done for the kingdom. He worked alongside both men and women. Check out Romans 16 - shoutouts: Phoebe Prisca/Priscilla Mary Junia (apostle) Tryphaena and Tryphosa Rufus’ mother Julia Nereus’ sister

[@juanisaac5172]

female helpers are not a problem. female church leaders are.

[@klzprz5539]

None of them were preachers nor pastors. None of them.

[@AnointedRain]

@@klzprz5539 how do you know?

[@KimEClem]

First “ preacher” of the GoodNews of the resurrected Christ was a woman! A former prostitute. Jesus Himself told her to go and tell the others!!

[@AnointedRain]

@@kingdomsheir7 idk I’m asking for more information. Not to be difficult

[@FaithAndObedience]

My aunty is woman of god, she teaching many people to believe in jesus Christ, she is known as spiritual mother by many successful spiritual man that she lead. She is so blessed in my eye. The man that she lead are now becoming pastor,spiritual leader,charismatic. Like wow, i know about what paul wrote and i agree church leader job is for man. Just dont judge anyone. Anyone can lead someone to jesus Christ rather man or woman, if they wholeheartedly want to lead people into believing jesus Christ isn't is good for jesus? Then let it be.❤🙏

[@tanazshams]

In Gods eyes we are equal man and woman. If a man can be a pastor so is woman there’s no favoritism in God. 🙏🏻💜

[@thischannelisdead3165]

Respect for this woman for putting Gods word over her feelings, a lot of women tend to call you misogynistic when you touch on this subject but Gods word is his word for a reason. It doesn’t change for anyone. He has it set for a reason

[@JoseGomez-ks8sk]

The mental gymnastics that is needed to justify what it's obviously saying. Never fails to make me chuckle. 😂

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@entrepreneurshipeconomicsm4498]

​@@rebelforchriststay on topic, the Bible is clear that God created them male and female and there is a hierarchy, do not teach in the church

[@iahelcathartesaura3887]

​@@rebelforchrist You interpret scripture like a child. Do better.

[@TheThugNasty]

@@rebelforchristwhat about staying silent don’t you understand?

[@amandabanks173]

Lord have mercy

[@chasechance711]

1 Timothy 2 not only explicitly says women can preach/teach in the church but literally gives the reasoning behind it afterwards. People God is not a God of confusion

[@INGCA104N01]

My aunt was a pastor reverend preacher whatever you want to call it. One of the best to do it. Male or female dont matter. God going to love you.

[@Arizon4000]

God is the same yesterday, today and forever. We do not invalidate his word, we live by it.

[@pleasedontfeedthe6235]

Not exclusive to the time or church of Corinth. Men are to lead, women are to submit. This is the balance God intended.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.

[@leahforrest9155]

Womens nature is still the same because its the way God made us. Nothing wrong with women teaching just not leading churches.

[@liso_lethu]

What's the difference between leading and teaching in a church?

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@zachariah3300]

⁠@@YakmonSaysItLikeItIsSo was Deborah to remain quiet and not have authority upon men? She was a judge and a prophet and a leader.

[@napechuene5601]

​@zachariah3300 There are special cases where Men Don't do what God says so God will use A woman to do a man's Job because the men are weak and Don't obey....and when u understand the roles of men and women are different it os clear that a man is a leader and it doesn't mean women can't teach...women have their responsibilities of teaching other women and children which is what they are called for.....women have fellowship with each other and help each other with women problems which man cannot help with

[@zachariah3300]

@@napechuene5601 Exactly. I agree 100%. I have an example if you’d like to hear it’s kinda long I don’t wanna type an essay if you won’t read it tho

[@ghost_of_righteousness]

👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽 OH OKAY SO THE SUBMISSIVE PART WAS THE LAW AND THE BEING QUIET IN CHURCH WAS TO GET THINGS IN ORDER SO THAT THE WORD CAN BE BROUGHT FORTH WITH REVERANCE 👏🏾🙌🏾✌🏾

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@Fiblay-ms1mn]

I absolutely loves how she laughs at Jesus of Nazareth! It brings great joy to my heart :) praise Kathryn the Holy One!!

[@SavedSealedDelivered]

A woman should NEVER lead a congregation having authority over a man. I had a hard time with this in the beginning (bc of my flesh) but there is reason and order for a reason. We are to teach women and children. God does give CERTAIN gifts also. This is why we have confused genders. Times have not changed and the letters to the churches are very relevant for today.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

To say a woman today can't be an elder in a small church makes no sense, except to Paul and his followers, who have to discount what God did with Deborah, so they can accept a false teaching. How ironic that if Paul lived at her time and his case was sent to Deborah to be judged, he would have to go...and be judged by a woman. Else executed. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17

[@SavedSealedDelivered]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i I did not say what you are asserting...

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@SavedSealedDelivered That was one of my canned replies. After reading your post again it still seems valid. So I don't know.

[@Gggg-cq1ih]

Its like a toddler you've caught climbing on the worktop describing why they should have the cookie 🍪 If God designated it that way he designated that way. Its doesn't make anyone any less.

[@Jesusexplains]

❤EXACTLY! Many women missionaries and teachers have understood this and become great women of God!

[@elegantlife1016]

Rebelling against it.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@Jesusexplains]

@@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs Although Paul wrote that concerning women, there are two sides to every coin. Over the years I have been very appreciative of many things that I have been taught by women concerning the Bible. I have also recognised the Lord’s authority in women, as I have recognised that which in NOT the Lord’s authority but man’s unbiblical authority in men but spoken in the name of the Lord. Therefore, I don’t see “gender” - I look for Jesus speaking through either men or women. “There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus!” (Gal3:26-29 KJV) There are two sides to every coin

[@Jesusexplains]

Exactly! Right on!

[@Hopeandpeaceinjesus]

Women can’t preach BUT WE ARE meant to create friendship groups and sisterhoods to study the gospel together and to encourage each other and keep each other right.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@Ignis.lex.ignis.gratia]

Adding "context" but then criticise the catholics when they do the same.

[@kehaulani1467]

These women weren't being loud and unruly. It was a Greek custom at that time period, my son illuminated, that they met in an open forum style of gatherings. It was interactive. With that being said, the chapter cited -- 1 Corinthians 14 -- is in reference to decorum and order, and APPLICABLE to both the MEN and the WOMEN: 26I say therefore, my brethren, that whenever you gather, whoever among you has a Psalm, let him speak, or whoever has a teaching, or whoever has a revelation, or whoever has a language, or whoever has a translation, let all things be done for edification. 27And if any speak in languages, let two speak, or as many as three, and let each one speak and let one translate. 28And if there is no translator, let HIM who speaks in a language BE SILENT in the church and let him speak to himself and to God. 34Let your WOMEN be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but to be IN SUBJECTION, just as The WRITTEN LAW also SAYS. 1 Timothy 2 11Let women learn in silence with all submission, 12For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet; 13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

There was no Law about women being silent. ___________________________________________ They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying,... ...Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son?... Then the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph, came forward; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. -excerpt Numbers 27

[@kehaulani1467]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Moses was also the Judge. The scripture cited in this post is in reference to decorum and order when gathered together for Worship.

[@paulgross3067]

No, you’re wrong because it says does not permit women to teach in the churches with more than one so that’s an any church that Paul set up

[@abrahambel.2388]

Men's & women's all are called in God work for leading and preaching .

[@marijketimmermans3913]

As a woman, I say the apostel Paul knows what happens when you let woman do their own think. I am sorry but we have to be able to look at our hearts and our traits. And woman are glad to interrupt, to speak their opinions, to go against authority. We should not look at the Bible the way it would please us, but we have to look at the truth.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@marijketimmermans3913]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i God used that woman there for that time for a special goal. The whole OT points to Jesus. And Jesus changed everything for the good. A new kingdom, like God has intended it to. We have different traits, God uses us in beautiful ways. Just like men. But different.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@marijketimmermans3913 Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. Else we have Complementarianism. Complementarianism The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier. Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who is masculine. Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders. A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less like God who is masculine. Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders. So even a large group of women can not be a valid church under any circumstances. For this group of women to become a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form a valid church. ____________________________________ But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.

[@lokenelson3501]

If this was true we would not need the Bible today; “cursed is the man who trusts another man.”

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

Amen! You have discernment! God bless

[@chidzombapearl6641]

As long as the woman is available for service God will certainly use her❤❤❤❤❤

[@nathanielotu4189]

Appropriating the text will lead to more progressive theology that gives the green light to polyamory

[@erniejabay]

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35 If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 What! Did the word of God originate with you, or are you the only ones it has reached?

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying,... ...Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son?... Then the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph, came forward; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. -excerpt Numbers 27

[@maricel3780]

No historical or biblical context… Ma’am, women are not supposed to be standing behind the pulpit and called pastor.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@kingdomsheir7 Pastors/shepherds existed in the Old Covenant and are mentioned in multiple books. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. Including Deborah. As it says: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet ******************************** When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. ******************************** But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@INJESUSIMRIGHTEOUS]

Most of this comments are from people whom are still under the law..We are not under the law. We are under grace. Some of the desciples were women... Read the word of God through all it's content...

[@Janpandon]

Being under grace does not mean you do as you please. God is and will always be a God of order. The freedom that we have under grace is not a licence to live after flesh and do as we please. Adam was made the representative of the earth before there was sin, before the law was given. This is why there was no death pronounced until Adam sinned. The order was always that man would be the head . Adam ruled over Eve after sin but even before sin, he was the head. Eve did not even have a name before sin, she was called Adam. If only Eve stayed by Adam we would not be in this mess and yet we have not learnt.

[@petros-estin-petra-]

We're not under the mosaic law, yes. If you love God, you still have to keep his commandments. Jesus never abolished his commandments.

[@achildsheart4658]

Name one disciple that was a woman. Not a book of the Bible or the 12 apostles were women. Let’s stop the 🧢

[@petros-estin-petra-]

@@achildsheart4658 You're being dishonest. - Ruth - Esther - (Judith) Women still should not be pastors, yes. But: *Do not lie or deceive* to make your point. Remember who you are.

[@achildsheart4658]

@@petros-estin-petra- you are lying because they were not walking with Jesus. Apostles were commissioned and appointed by Jesus himself. Only 13 men the 12 originals plus Paul .

[@Onewaytruth86]

If you continue reading the next verse... (context does matter) he asks a question that's not cultural. Do you think the word came forth from you? Or do you think it only was to you it was given?.... as a woman this is a deceptive tool the enemy uses to think we are more spiritual or have more spiritual insight than our husband's whom God appointed over us as a head. As a woman I think this is so loving of God for our protection to keep silent. He knows how we are decieved... this is the grace of God kindness... not his punishment.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false. This matter is NOT a 'Covenant matter' but a matter of spiritual equality.

[@Onewaytruth86]

@user-iz8np3vv4i I never said women are not spiritually equal to men... I said we are more easily deceived into thinking we are more spiritual than men. To question this text is litterally asking, "Did God really say??" Which is what decieved Eve in the first place.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

@@Onewaytruth86 Yet there was no gender-qualification to be a Judge over Israel. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. A Judge, according to Deuteronomy, could judge anything. This included homicide cases. I have a free essay on Deborah AND what a Judge was, should you wish a study at some point.

[@Onewaytruth86]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Numbers 11:16-17 LSB - Yahweh therefore said to Moses, “Gather for Me seventy men from the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and their officers, and take them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you. “Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.

[@Onewaytruth86]

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Numbers 11:16-17 LSB - Yahweh therefore said to Moses, “Gather for Me seventy men from the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and their officers, and take them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you. “Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.

[@SLove-sx9wz]

If we women are to be silent in the church that also means that women should not hold ANY leadership role in the church. She is NOT to be over or assist in ANY ministry in church because that requires to her to talk. Matter of fact, women shouldn’t even enter the church because prayer, praise, and worship requires her to talk. So yes, women should keep silent and let the men handle things.

[@vilmamannarino7310]

"... AS THE LAW ALSO SAYS"!!! The Law was for ALL WOMEN in Israel. Similarly, Paul's commandment is for ALL WOMEN in the Body of Christ. The claim that Paul's commandment was only meant for the Corinthian women at that time because they were being "loud" and "distracting" is absolute nonsense. Pentecostalism is HERESY.

[@rebelforchrist]

Galatians 3:27-28 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[@vilmamannarino7310]

@@rebelforchrist So, exactly what are you trying to prove with these specific verses?

[@jasonyoung1608]

@@rebelforchriststop running with one verse

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@rebelforchristYou don't believe the Bible? 1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@philologustate4464]

Paul would be contrary to applying the saying of the law, which Jesus said has ended and forgiven all the woman sins Jesus does not put women to silence

[@soullessmeatpuppet7840]

What a surprise that a woman would interpret that particular passage as "just for that time period."

[@lilashell3406]

It is. People back then were immature and didn’t believe women had many rights

[@soullessmeatpuppet7840]

@@lilashell3406 people were only immature back then? As the Bible also says, there is "nothing new under the sun." I suggest getting more into the word sister, so you can fully understand the positions of men and women in the world.

[@isaacthegoat1432]

@@lilashell3406Paul respected people who preached the gospel elsewhere.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

​@@lilashell34061 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

[@alvinstewart9412]

As someone who is struggling with the idea of faith and the church, this makes it hard to be a believer when you have so many people who constantly try to distort the SAME WORDS that have been in the Bible for centuries.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Part 11 PAUL STATES THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SILENT As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 In this matter Paul speaks of the 'law'. There is a small possibility that he is referring to a Roman or local law. If not, then Paul is stating that Christian women were still under the Old Covenant laws. Yet there was no Old Covenant law that states that women should be silent. Then the daughters of Zelophehad...came forward. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. You shall certainly give them hereditary property among their father’s brothers... -excerpts Numbers 27 These women were not rebuked, even though they spoke before everyone, including Moses. What they asked for was granted to them, because God agreed with them.

[@CaseyLee-bd5fi]

It's for all women. Not just "those women". Women simply cannot lead over men. There is children's ministry, being a keeper of the home, helpmeet. And all the things God calls women to do. They cannot teach over men, not as an authority. Not as a pastor. God can use women how he intends. The Bible is true.

[@user-iz8np3vv4i]

Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

[@stevenvargo2440]

This gal is anointed by God to preach and pray for the sick and those oppressed by the Devil! If you can name me one male minister/evangelist/pastor in God's church here in America doing more than she is, then I will believe that women can't be preachers! And this is coming from someone who has two grandmother's that preached: One was an Evangelist and the other a Pastor for 25 years back in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. A time when women were publicly ridiculed and chastised for ministering! Kinda like Kathryn Kuhlman.

[@juanisaac5172]

anointings are not the problem. women can't lead a church.

[@stevenvargo2440]

I respectfully disagree.

[@LogoForLife]

Gino Jennings is doing more than most preachers combined! His Ministry is responsible for nearly 10,000 people a year going down in water in the Name of Jesus Christ like God requires. This foolish girl is a con woman money lover.

[@YakmonSaysItLikeItIs]

1 Timothy 2:12 English Standard Version 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. God is not a liar.

[@stevenvargo2440]

Get a different version! They're not all accurate. I use the King James.

[@user-bn6wj8fm3c]

Bless you in Jesus name

[@danielkiser9330]

People need to learn the differences between doctrine and theology. She is exactly correct

[@FollowtheleaderChristJesus]

Her eyes upon reading this & also when explaining says it all! Deception is real!! Pray for her spiritual eyes to be opened..Amen