Advancing Collective Intelligence | Daniel Schmachtenberger & Phoebe Tickell, Consilience Project

[@RosaLeeJean]

Keep spreading these words in my own circle.That's what I can do...think,talk,educate myself and try to think for myself.I feel like an infant to these topics,it facenates me deeply

[@LukeRobertMason]

💡Wonderful to see a new generation of thinkers emerging into the light.

[@gardenseden8264]

Total cosmic bollocks. You space cadets. The meaning of life is make a big strong loving family. The Turd Wurld comprehend this very well

[@lilyroa1960]

Daniel is my DOPAMINE hit! Eyyyy Thank you!

[@jimmybolton8473]

Wow the host she has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen. Okay im paying attention now ❤️sorry had to comment first

[@scottjones-singersongwrite6193]

The road to awareness and the diffusion of knowledge. This is great - and urgent!

[@b-radsadventures6846]

Thank you for so many of these honest discussions. I miss a society of smart, open people!

[@RobRaptor49]

Why are there only c. 100 comments on this?! This is the only future-looking hope for humanity I've come across - why is there more conversation about people's cats?!

[@blank_intensity]

At least wr are here, let's ponder the deep topics and bring the conversation to our family, friends and community- and let's see where we can take it!

[@patrickvickers8033]

Daniel's answer to the question about how to resist the attention economy (around 1:51:00) is fascinating and something I've thought about a lot as I struggle with my own addictive behaviour towards my phone. The irony of wanting to work on long-term problems, but being sidetracked by short-term exploitation of my brain's desire for dopamine hits has not been lost on me. I like the point about how being in abnormal environments (living alone, disconnected from community and disconnected from nature) makes us vulnerable to these manipulative addictive forces. One hopeful thing is it's easier than ever to move out of the city, learn how to grow food in a regenerative way, and find communities of other people doing similar to collaborate with and learn from. My partner and I are hoping to do this. We can both work remotely part time and put the rest of our energy into regenerating the natural systems around us and growing food! It would be great to do this alongside other people who are working on improving the future of our species but I don't know how well established those kinds of networks and communities are in the UK

[@paulcassidy4559]

I've been discussing this with some friends here in Ireland and I think, at the risk of sounding a bit abrupt, that we just have to get together and start from our atomized 'communities of one' (ala Mark Fisher) and just grow those communities out, first 2, then 3, then 4... no time to wait for a solution to land at our feet anymore.

[@codydaley9036]

Virgin the Consilience Project, "what a goldmine", thou am well aware of many of the members affiliated with this vital and visionary project. Nicely aligns with, The Global Posthuman Network. Love and light from Sydney, Australia.

[@cyber6sapien]

The fact that there is a financial barrier to accessing higher education is obscene. Eliminating that barrier would be a huge step towards advancing collective intelligence.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

edX and Coursera are free

[@jjuniper274]

I need to return to this.

[@lauriesherman5340]

All change starts with relationship…Daniel is correct. This can not be just an intellectual idea or exercise. That seem very ego led process. The question to me is how to over come our nature and propensity for corruptions? You can see research study after study, that even a small amount of power can corrupt. This seems to me that in someways, this is a self section process of who would be able to participate in this type of higher thinking, execution ect…

[@yvonnereed167]

My thought is of an (at least) transitional tool (if not permanent) that works on multiple levels to begin to alleviate many of the issues mentioned by Daniel. One that doesn’t require mass reform of education to begin working as it acts as inspiration for civic thought in of itself while at the same time giving a voice to all, regarding the values and priorities of society and also aiding in better choosing of representatives that, depending on how it is used, could eventually completely eliminate the need for the campaign fund raising and popularity contests that suck so much of the energy out of governance and perpetuates manipulation of the populous through fear mongering, in turn causing polarisation along with disrupting long term planning. A tool that can be integrated into existing democratic structures and Rule of Law so that we do not need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and fall into complete chaos, with all the loss of knowledge and capability that that would bring, before we can again take the very long and arduous journey to reorganise into an effective society, though this time sustainably. A tool that will not create “the perfect society” itself but allows for the grip of the current corrupting forces to be lessened enough that we can begin to head in a positive and constructive direction to a more stable, harmonious, self correcting, sustainable world. This is a tool that would require many years of development and testing of its reliability and validity, and would require high levels of technology to develop, implement and run effectively and securely, and need ongoing updates, yet it is an effort no greater than finding how to take man outside the bounds our planet which we have done. It would be only one of many changes needed, but possibly one of the first and most vital changes needed as we will continue to struggle to implement any change that benefits the whole when the whole does not have true uncorrupted (such as not being manipulated by fear) influence on decisions making. The tool would find the values and priorities of any given individual voter and candidate as well as population or electorate through a comprehensive reliable and valid questionnaire/survey. Regarding priorities, hypothetical examples representing all expert views of major policy areas could potentially be represented in an “if - then” format to reduce bias (though this method would be subject to scrutiny in the developmental process). People don’t need to know which facts are correct but just to make a judgement call. When given a set of potential facts, what would they value and prioritise and which potential outcomes would they most desire. The capacity we now have to process “big data” would mean it would be possible to compile, compare and contrast the profiles of individuals with potential candidates not unlike the Voter Compass tools that already exist but with much greater sophistication. At this level of comparison we could have a mechanism as voters to better choose candidates within existing democratic processes. Ultimately the tool could be used to analyse the profile of populations such as an electorate at local, state and federal levels all from one survey once every 4 years for example, carried out in place of “popularity contest” elections. Candidates could be found through a selection process that starts with the survey but also ensures voluntary willingness and competency in a representative role. Once all willing, competent, representative candidates are identified they could be selected randomly as representatives for a set term carrying out governance within existing structures such as local councils, and State and federal parliaments. By choosing representatives that have comparable values and priorities to the population they represent and for them to be held to account against that community profile rather than a party line or lobbyists’ interests, where they must seek out evidence based best practice and have no influence of currying favour for reelection, outcomes will be much closer to what is best for the whole and good long-term planning will be possible. Issues around accessibility can be managed by technology through facilities like voice to text and touch screen interfaces or even more advanced interactive tech as it becomes available. Much would need to be sorted out around security and implementation and though it is not an easy task, I believe it is possible to create a system, though not perfect, that is much better than what we currently have.

[@blank_intensity]

This is intriguing.. I've also felt we aren't using technology yet to really achieve an active democracy and accountability as you discuss. Using thing like forums, upvoting, questionnaires, etc we could build a profile of a communities thoughts on different topics. And then politicians could be held to account on acting towards these goals. I know there are some open democracy projects out there. Have you heard of any?

[@wholebodysneeze]

48:02 We get an open society to coordinate better by building better systems, supported by better algorithms. Tech, and the interaction with tech, has value embedded in it, so we build system that reinforce sustainable notions. Until our financial and monetary systems (for example) are future-proof, we will continue to follow Moloch over the edge, imo.

[@marktomasetti8642]

After listening to DS’s overview of the concilliance project, there is probably a co-project needed. I would guess that any success by the concilliance project will be perceived as an encroachment on the the control of the folks currently in power. So, some resources will need to be allocated to resist the interference they will attempt to apply. I’m not sure one can count on them seeing the wisdom of the changes and so letting them happen.

[@atypicaltexan3834]

My suggestion would be an oligarchy eradication program. Power turns humans into psychopathic monsters. The reptilian brain controls one without the individual being aware.

[@marktomasetti8642]

@@atypicaltexan3834 - I would say we definitely need to reduce the amount of power that gets into a small group of hands.

[@roy_4th]

@@atypicaltexan3834 one effective way to deal with that side of humans is through primal fear. It forces the lower functions to work in favor of the higher one since the strategies already known can't deal with fearful aspect of ancient nature. Deception must be used against the elite to distract their obstructions until the project has flourished enough and becomes a wasted effort trying to stop it.

[@marktomasetti8642]

@@janeentwistle8239 - "if you had all the power how you would react to threat vs a request to share some resources? " Yes, good point. I wonder if the win-win nature of the Game~B approach could help. Of course, it would have to be clear to the players of Game~A that a win-win situation was on offer. As a Game~A player, I'm not sure I would recognize the win-win nature of the options being offered.

[@marktomasetti8642]

@@janeentwistle8239 - Good point. When we see things from Game~A or from Game~B, it colors our perceptions making some easier to inhabit and others difficult to inhabit. When viewed from Game~A, omni-win may not be a perception one can form. I wonder what restrictions there are when viewing the world from Game~B.

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

When the world becomes far too complex and basically impossible to fathom by the many then it will implode. All people aren’t created equal we have varied talents but we desire and need everyone’s unique talents. The artist and the kindergarten teacher are as needed as the person that grows the potatoes that I eat. We must learn to appreciate these equally. The Jews can only follow the education route because they lived not in their own country and or nations so they could carve their niche while using the labour and services of other cultures and citizens of all the different countries they lived in.

[@4angayoga]

Great work you folks!!! Thank you.

[@freerovingbovine]

At 1:36:00 the question of synthesis might consider using he Micawber threshold as a proxy for identifying good judgement and foresight from those that lack the same, and work towards expanding those with good judgement.

[@jimmybolton8473]

OMG I forgot I had Jury duty! Shit i dont know where I put the paperwork nor dop I remember when jury duty was. 😬thanks for reminding me Daniel i hope im not to late…i feel like shit

[@jimmybolton8473]

I like Phoebe. I also dont know what the future is supposed to look like. I also put a lot of trust in Daniels thinking though.. man this is a difficult project.🤷

[@paulcassidy4559]

this is great. would love to know how I can help! thanks!

[@LeSacrum]

Thank you for that On-Point talk ! This Renaissance is going Jusqu'au bout !

[@VahnAeris]

Noice thanks for the conv !! much love

[@n1mbusmusic606]

decentralized encrypted store of value creates positive sum

[@GlenMcNiel]

Thank you for this. I'm very interested in how I can assist the Consilience Project.

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

The future is so absolutely unknown that even though we plan prepare and dream of different futures unless the element of chance or luck is on our side it’s actually all futile. That’s where the spiritual side of praying comes in but praying is a place of putting yourself on the altar and not my will but God’s will be done and be okay with that . History of mankind speaks of this we cannot will ourselves into any future without faith in God and our dependence and reliance on him to his glory all should be not our own.

[@indyrishisingh]

Can collective IQ be even close to possible if we don't learn from cultures like Sikhism that literally formed to counter oppression? Why were they successful at pushing back against both the Moguls and the British? What about other communities around the world that accomplished sovereignty and antifragility

[@mandyshanks2327]

Have you read Novacene by James Lovelock. How do we get benign computers as leaders?

[@andrice42]

Isn't the default mechanism of the problems we face the direct result of the Price System? I mean this is the actual problem and I don't see anyone taking this discussion seriously. Technocrats have argued this since the 20's. Technology doesn't mix with the Price System or politics in any sustainable way. There has to be a new mechanism to distribute resources sustainably and let people organize freely without having to fight each other for their piece of the pie. Can any one please explain to me why the conversation hasn't reached this level yet? Am I wrong? Why?

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Di ko alam anong pinag-uusapan ng mga tao. You can have lofty thoughts and yet have messy rooms? Why the apparent disconnect?

[@maddywilcox9012]

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[@HellaRandomVideos]

Governance systems are philosophical solutions.

[@boooo6789]

31:08 I am not a native speaker so exuse me if I got Daniels argument wrong, but in my estimation there's compelling evidence that that is at least to some extent a genetics issue. What I found really insightful was Sam Harris' Making Sense Podcast #211 with world leading geneticist Dr. Robert Plomin. He found that the quality of a school has zero effect on IQ and success. Daniel might want to look into that some more.

[@paulcassidy4559]

success is mostly a function of social capital within the family or the family's wider social connections and 'soft skills' handed down from parents to children (concentration, delayed gratification, how to maintain healthy and nourishing relationships, proper dieting, resting habits, etc) - to say that this fact implies that genetics has a part to play in 'success' is a massive stretch.

[@boooo6789]

​@@paulcassidy4559 From what I have read, research indicates quite clearly that the single largest predictor for lifetime success is a high score in intelligence, for which variance can be explained to at least 50% by genetic differences. Furthermore, it is not quite so clear what causes the development of "soft skills". Research has shown that shared environment (e.g. upbringing, education) has little impact on the development of ones temperament and interests at least. So it's quite likely that if parent's are for example highly conscientious, their children will inherit some of the corresponding genetic predisposition and turn out to be very conscientious even if raised in a fairly careless environment. Or take weight as a proxy for heathy dieting for example, it is well established that the variance in weight is accounted for by genetics by at least 70%. Again, I am no expert in the field. I am just arguing that we ignore these findings only at our peril. Edit: Capital certainly plays a major role as well, there's no doubt in that!

[@Fritz999]

That is true, but the quality of a school and the schooling decide the later level of knowledge or ignorance. Nevermind Wisdom...

[@SeverSava]

Just a quick thought while dusting my room and listening to you guys. I just wonder if Phoebe would find helpful intersecting more the rational, spiritual, emotional, behavioural human existential dimensions instead of looking to get out of the rational into a more behavioural spirituality. Can't we just find better ways of cross-informing these aspects? I'm a bit worried of this kind of separatism. Spirituality and rational are two very valuable traits that humanity could benefit from if first of all peace would link them together instead of the primate of fear. For me is an ongoing process on how to relate with extreme spirituality that works with an hierarchical frame(spirit is better than mind). My appologise if I've hurt anyone's feelings. Check min 66 where she mentioned this. Later edit: Phoebe, at min 73 you say there are rationale people that don't show empathy and that is so correct. Something else is correct also: spiritual leaders taking advantage of naïve people, but this didn't stop you practicing a spirituality that you consider is fair and beneficial. Judging a value by its lowest forms or containers is a fallacy that shows a big pointless bias. Even later edit: I'm still baffled by how easily all Daniel's amazingly valuable thinking of years was dismissed by labelling him way too rational... That's why I consider Daniel one of my mentors because he contained himself in front of trained ignorance, not like me being so blunt and aggressive... Not only did he contained himself, but he applied instantly his own words and steelmanned her plus he helped her understand more about herself, whereas she was practicing more the straw man principle. I'm very upset on Phoebe's self-sufficientness... I was expecting her to be someone wanting to build bridges, not increase the gap... Btw, I have my spiritual practice as well, but I consider spirituality and abstract thinking twin domains. Phoebe, I don't see how we can be friends anymore! 😅😉 unless...

[@mrpinkpony]

Credible people like gates ? Let’s be careful there. Incredible insights in this dialogue. Very exciting

[@atypicaltexan3834]

Bill Gates and his ilk are the problem, they will be nothing less than obstacles to any solution that takes away any of their power.

[@maddywilcox9012]

Phoebe check out Perry Gruber of copiosis ask him about his game idea called on the Brink.

[@kaitlinhaws7013]

The only 3 things that are ubiquitous are the ability to think, to feel, and the time in which to do it. I am 30 minutes in and the panel has mentioned these axioms over and over. I have been trying to teach the sacredness of these gifts to anyone who sits long enough to be my acquaintance since the 4th grade (when i was obsessed with he concept of infinity and argued out of religious studies with it) The answers to big problems often start with examining how close the problem is to a foundational truth. A small degree of separation, a small solution...etc. Today i fear, and know, we are on the precipice of embarrassment throughout the sentient universe by wasting a planet that was and still should be “eden”, losing our amazement with thinking and feeling, and ending our gifted time as a species (and for many other innocent species). How far away from the 3 universal truths? Really fucking far. The answer to PRESERVING THE AMAZEMENT THAT IS OUR ITERATION OF SENTIENCE has to begin from scratch, cherry pick the technology needed, and teach the world to think, feel, and be a steward of time for ourselves and the planet till the end (not fucking caused by US!)

[@atypicaltexan3834]

Most people don't act in accordance with analytical thinking conducted in the prefrontal cortex. They are mostly controlled by the subconscious brain.

[@paulcassidy4559]

great comment and I agree completely. unfortunately I think the literal repetition of the garden of eden parable (except, as you say, it's more the sacking and despoiling of the garden, while we still have to live in it, as opposed to being cast out of it) might be in - in a Hegelian way, possibly? - the impetus for us to get to the next stage. our potential as stewards is so absurdly large that I hold out hope that the right severity of a crisis will scare the general population into caring. seems to have already happened with most under 35s I know tbh so who knows.

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

Every nation can only balance their own problems and challenges. Trying to do it with the world view in mind is humans wanting to play God and therefore they WILL fail absolutely. God made his creation with diversity for a reason and it’s not for us to question and or attempt to undo this.

[@StephanieMoDavis]

Affirming motivition and productivity! We hope to be connected soon

[@andybaldman]

We were connected 20 years ago. The problem is that connection was hijacked by companies like Facebook and other social media.

[@n1mbusmusic606]

btc creates positive sum. deflation and a actually workable ubi backed by it localize man. and production but decentralize and globalize money. THATS the answer to brenton woods

[@alexanderastoria4906]

This problem sounds like one that requires very Deleuze/Guattarian processes to solve.

[@Louiseskybunker]

Sensemaking for reality truth is addressing the ones who leave the toilet dirty or clean, ....

[@F--B]

58:00 - dont a lot of people tend to have emotional connections to their positions? i.e. if you weren't reasoned into it, you wont be reasoned out of it. This tactic seems to presuppose that people can be reasoned out of ignorant viewpoints...

[@alexanderastoria4906]

The Rhizome is the Key.

[@riffking2651]

Rather than love and wisdom of Gods, we'll get the pragmatism of humans.

[@beathabit6173]

41:21 Ahchoo!

[@laurenschlosser8831]

I love this discussion but minute 35 is hyperbolic and untrue.

[@vidamace6230]

There is still to much greed everywhere 😢

[@atypicaltexan3834]

Markets are mostly good at creating profit for capitalists. The externalities are purposely ignored.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Kung ordinaryong citizen ka ng US Napakadali No need for big words and lofty ideas Kung di ka din naman pulitiko To effect those changes that you have in your mind It’s all nonsense It’s like talking infinite possibilities to a plain housewife What an apparent disconnect! Why not talk about loving your family instead and finding meaning in boredom or mundane Rather than fooling yourself that everyone can be a bigshot CEO or creative Not everyone will be given that privileged position So better stick to reality Rather than fantasy

[@merlepatterson]

Floating land-masses throughout the worlds oceans, or better put "Sea-Steading".

[@ngonea]

Heterogeneous populations are unalike and in US settler colonialism created a barrier to shared culture solutions

[@n1mbusmusic606]

free space settlement asteroid defense nuclear fusion

[@FelixTuxen]

I just want everybody to be super cute

[@ismofishness8192]

Neoteny

[@gregorywitcher5618]

@@ismofishness8192 👩‍🍼🤖

[@n1mbusmusic606]

werell addicted to screens. thats the problem.

[@n1mbusmusic606]

patchwork society free private cities. monarchic city states seem better democracy is bad.

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

Wherever work is done salaries come to mind. Where is the money from is it Soros funded?

[@vivianoosthuizen8990]

Soros open society?

[@mandyshanks2327]

Phoebe - I can’t understand a word you say. Just sounds like words pulled out of a bag of nothing. “Meta answer” - what does that mean, for example? “Lived experience” - words from the vacuum bag.

[@SeverSava]

I literally have no idea how someone like Phoebe got the chance to speak to someone like Daniel. The gap is so huge between their comprehension abilities. I'M SO UPSET THAT I'M SO ANGRY ON HER.... I CAN NOT REACT IN SUCH A WAY TO HER ATTITUDE... IT SADDENS ME...

[@n1mbusmusic606]

also micheal shellenberger is great too. climate alarmism isn't good. crypto going to help alot.

[@VahnAeris]

crypto is fucking climat ? .. Libertarianism ain't a solution with uneducated people.

[@fungussa]

Shellenberger has zero expertise in climate science, he denies a vast amount of scientific evidence and his opinions are therefore irrelevant.

[@n1mbusmusic606]

@@fungussa i actually agree to some extent with what your saying. he doesnt quote james lovelock who i view to be the final word ont his stuff. cant imagine a more qualified human being, and he scares the pants off me. however, shellenberger is right about alot of things. possibly also the climate. the point is nuclear power is the ONLY solution or your just an idiot. even lovelock says as much!

[@fungussa]

@@n1mbusmusic606 Shellenberger is a fake expert, and Lovelock is no longer actively involved in climate research and he has no expertise in renewable technology. Nuclear needs to be part of the solution, but it absolutely cannot provide the majority of our energy supply. Again, Shellenberger's opinions on the matter are irrelevant, as he denies incontrovertible science.

[@n1mbusmusic606]

@@fungussa keep telling yourself that. thats fine.

[@brienmorse2785]

Word salad... if you actually think you gained something from watching this bullshit, watch it again and listen closer. This man said nothing.

[@oker59]

combining mysticism with science - remind you of anybody? Hitler maybe?

[@oker59]

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[@oker59]

I found this wiki - Hitler and the Occult - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_the_Occult I haven't actually watched it. Googling on youtube search bar shows a couple of other documentaries, which I don't know If I'll have time . I just remember the Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark scene, and some passing references. Basically, Allison Duetmann and Christine Peterson's idea of A.I. safety is to use A.I. to find the ethics of the worlds religions. Bui, like any computer program that takes everything so literally, that if you are not strict on meanings, it will feed back un-intended consequences of how you programmed it(they call it a bug), A.I. can't tell that the flood story is a genecide story, or that the Ten Commandments is totalitarian. Apparently, neither can Allison Deutmann, Christine Peterson, and most "futurists" and supposedly "scientific" thinkers, A.I. researchers and so on.

[@flowerpt]

He also drank water. Kinda like Terrance McKenna.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

@@flowerpt LOL Yup. They prolly both used toilet paper too.

[@SeverSava]

I see nothing wrong in combining them if you train your BS filter.