How To Address The Epidemic Of Poor Mental Health | Poor Mental Health

[@zpettigrew]

Daniel Schmachtenberger is a National Treasure. A true gift to Humanity.

[@klausfaller19]

Those words are straight from my heart

[@YinzerYan]

This was truly one of the best podcasts I've ever listened to. Wow.

[@a.k.bartleby4295]

sorry to disagree: he is a transnational treasure, but anyway. I can only subscribe to what the host (didn't get her name) said to Daniel in the end: I wish you were the President of the United States

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The "elite" kept this as a secret for centuries, this is the true story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

[@jacklondon999]

Really?? He sounds like a cult leader to me. Boring cult leader.

[@treefrog3349]

What scares me even more than Daniel Schmactenberger's stark assessment of the "present moment" is the large degree of unawareness and/or denial or indifference to the realities that is demonstrated by the general population.

[@thelondoners-lifeisart]

100%

[@jjeremyhunterr]

Luckily that's something we can do something about, by internalizing this and communicating it and changing our framings and being more open and less adversarial

[@peteraddison4371]

​@@jjeremyhunterr... Yes. And thank you Jeremy for your awareness of such things. I've not long discovered Daniel, and wow, what a gem of a discovery. I'm so sorry to hear of his fathers' passing. What a wonderful pair of people and parents that Daniel and his brother had ...

[@denisevarner7308]

Conscious awareness of self is a path toward healing. Conscious discernment has to be cultivated. Detaching from the addictive substance takes community support. The hypernormal "productivity" he speaks of is anxiety that is unrelieved. Quiet spaces are fewer and far between. Meditative and contemplative practices help to develop relationship to others.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The "elite" kept this as a secret for centuries, this is the true story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

[@annethacker8292]

What an excellent interview! Daniel has become my church- I watch a new podcast with him every few days. Yours was particularly clear and kind of put a world view together for me. Thank you Kirkland and thank you Daniel and round 2 please asap!!💙

[@lukegranata7154]

He’s a sage. So profound and so commonsensical.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The "elite" kept this as a secret for centuries, this is the true story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

[@michaelvigil8810]

I have been following Daniel’s thought provoking videos and podcasts for some time now. This has to be the one that’s touched me deepest. The humane narrative, along with sharing his personal accounts of understanding life with and through his father, were heartfelt and relatable. The messages conveyed pierced deeply in me…

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The "elite" kept this as a secret for centuries, this is the true story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

[@DM100]

Ahhh. I’m not crazy after all. He makes me feel sooo sane. ❤ and I so appreciate his cussing effectively! Lol

[@annethacker8292]

Me too!!!

[@DocLynette]

Regarding kids suffering -rather than seek a problem in them to fix: see their Light, see their meaning; know & hold this wisdom for them. They will trust your wisdom, & receive it to uncover what is already the health they hold, & they WILL align with their beautiful roles in the world. Trust their Light, & it will brighten yours 💖💖💖 Thank you for offering this beautiful video🙏

[@truthseek3017]

The grown ups and authorities make the kids impure and turn them into grown ups/demons.

[@allisonleighandrews8495]

This conversation moved me so much. Thank you for this.

[@Jivansings]

When enough people are able to distinguish between the question, "Do you think and believe the way I think and believe?" From the question, "Are you suffering?", we will live our way to the solutions we seek.

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:23:17 isolation. Yes. Living alone and having days when I have zero contact with other humans breaks my heart sometimes.

[@Truthkindnesslovefunhealth67]

Daniel speaks to the soul. Just keep speaking please and so to your peers - humanity is hungry and ready for these needed changes to the way we live and interact…… I will leave it there for now - Thank you to you both for this conversation - it gave me much hope now we all need to take action individually and collectively

[@christinesmith1499]

We need to be careful, people’s desperation was the reason Trump got into power.

[@christinesmith1499]

Chris Hedges is great too,I like his books and videos

[@Drew_Hurst]

​@@christinesmith1499There's more than enough desperation for Trump's return!

[@truthseek3017]

No, he is emotionless and is mentally unstable.

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

I've followed the wise Daniel Schmachtenberger, and this was a particularly moving and intimate conversation. Thank you.

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

The "elite" kept this as a secret for centuries, this is the true story of your enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

[@SmithBrookHollow]

1:19:19 this felt right, no one in that state of despair can think about changing their diet and so forth, to look to be fixed

[@barbcarbon9440]

I have been listening to this on repeat for a week. It’s the only thing keeping me remotely stable. Thank you.

[@adamstevens5518]

Thank the YT algorithm for presenting this over and over again into my feed until I finally clicked it. Only 13:15 in so far, but already several points have been brought up that I feel are critical to know for anyone who cares about mental health and the future of civilization which I haven't heard discussed enough, or at all, from my personal "life feed".

[@c3bhm]

Have a listen to Charles Eisenstein.

[@deejay8ch]

32:00 to 55:35 is one of the best Schmachdowns ever. Dan beautifully articulates how the 'naive progress narrative' wrapped up in our exploitative, destructive and polluting ways is such an artificial, atomising, unsustainable and unfulfilling way of life is that there's no way that we can physically or psychologically adapt to it. Holey Cow! So what does it all mean in an organically grown, ethically sourced and properly valued nutshell? That the next epoch will need to be the result of "psychological progress" (or regress. Or both 🤪) of becoming more attuned to nature and each other. Good luck to us with that! Keep doing what you do Dan. Many thanks.

[@ShanePHanlon]

Schmachdowns LOL 😂 I love it!

[@peteraddison4371]

... hi, DJ, here's a nutshell perspective for us. Or maybe, a nutjob view ... Consciousness = the only frontier ... Addictions = the only reality ... Enlightenment = the only game ... Ignorance = the only impediment ...

[@deejay8ch]

@@peteraddison4371 there are many impediments. Let me collect my nutshells to expand later 👍

[@d.-beck7205]

Yessss. ❤

[@cindyr830]

I am incredibly grateful for your honesty, Daniel. Deeply recognizing and appreciating that my human experience is only possible with the support of my natural environment, human ingenuity and with the love of my community immediately informs me where my care and attention needs to be focused. “Everything you need to know about life is in one breath - take it all in, and give it all back.” -Dewitt

[@Misslotusification]

Who is that Dewitt? I like thos quote.

[@brianbennett3904]

Daniel operates on an extremely high frequency. Very few people have the capacity to see all that he sees. He does an incredible job for the truth seekers. My only observation it’s that we must all “slow down”, become meditators on the cause and effect of every action we think and make, and how it impacts the natural world on which all living things depend. Perhaps this is all that matters, plus the acceptance that all things are born, live then die. This is as true for our current egoic civilization as it has been for all past species that no longer walk the Earth.😢

[@molly9713]

I’ve listened to many podcasts with Daniel, but took a break the last couple of years as I undertake training as a therapist. The section on deep empathic listening, and the seeking of the right intervention “getting in the way” of real connection was particularly helpful as a trainee, a real trust-the-process moment. Also the part around being able to be very honest with self about what might be triggering us, and how that might pull us towards “fixing” as a means of avoiding our own discomfort. I know these are not new concepts but the way Daniel spoke about this really resonated and felt accessible to me - I would love to hear further conversations between you that are around psychotherapy and counselling. Thank you for this conversation.

[@regenerativelifehacks9718]

I always refuse to answer the "take away" question because it is based in the broken paradigm that was just covered for 2 hours. quick fix, quick return, instant gratificstion which is demeaning. Love Daniel's answers

[@octane8mil]

Daniel is making strives to have larger platforms, and it's deserving. He does provide clarity in a mind fuck world

[@frankwhite1816]

"Fix is a weird word." - 1:16:25 loved that. Thank you both so much for this conversation! Wonderful.

[@annethacker8292]

Yes.

[@felipearbustopotd]

We have been blindly led into being disconnected from each other and from Mother Nature. We are also loving things and using people when it should be... We should be loving eachother and using things. The use of profanities that punctuate how screwed we are, is sombering. Sometimes trying to explain how you feel, is like trying to explain water to a fish. If the only thing that you can control is to make your bed, then do so. Then use that as the catalyst for change. Thank you for uploading and sharing.

[@kupkaon]

This all feels painfully precise yet validating at the same time. I have to say I have reached very similar conclusions, but there is nobody around that would be able to take it in. The loneliness is occasionally pretty unpleasant. That is why I also like to listen to Daniel. It is like finding a mate in all this yet again.

[@mousumimukerji4075]

I feel the same and I’m here to listen. I practice psychiatry and I feel lonely indeed

[@annethacker8292]

Same.

[@stephaniemodavis]

I honor Daniel in the utmost but am leaning into finding the others. It feels important to not pedestal or idealize him to me. Full disclosure this does come at the tail of watching and absorbing his content for a few years. Much love everyone

[@findenlight]

This is a really key comment, I’ve spent years digesting beautiful content like Daniels & it’s feels important to ground these insights in local or peer to peer connections rather than idolise a person. 🌱☀️🍃

[@suedonn7996]

He certainly does not come across like someone looking to be idolize.Certainly, the principles he is advocating are worth "iodolizing" or honoring and implicating.

[@midlife_crossroads]

⁠@@suedonn7996 This is what I was thinking as well. Daniel is a brilliant and profound thinker - awe-inspiring, really; but he also seems quite humble, which makes such overt flattery kind of…awkward.

[@krun11]

Same experience! Bayo Akomolafe, Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Jaime Wheel, Robin Wall Kimmerer, Jordan Hall, Robin DG Kelley, and adrienne marie brown are all strong recommendation of mine

[@davis267]

​@@midlife_crossroadsas I've listened to him the last few years, initially skeptical of his motivation, and eventually convinced his reflections have value for me to share with loved ones regardless of said motive, I've placed him in context upon sharing a conversation like this with family and friends that part of what I respect about him is that he certainly could be a Malcolm Gladwell, Deepok Chopra, or any other pop culture figurehead (who have their place such as it is) -- the way he answers a question about pessimism with an almost stubborn "let me offer a deeper outline of truly profound pessimism" is rich with meaning and value

[@barbcarbon9440]

25:32 regular campfires and music and togetherness are crucial

[@jesperandersson889]

feel it to heal it

[@whomeyoupoop]

Love ur comment

[@sherrilawrence662]

Daniel is a gift to humanity ❤

[@dylnthmsn420]

I'm so happy that a person like Daniel exists to distill some of the more intricate nuances of the human condition in relation to the biosphere and the socio-economic conditions we live under.

[@kll.c]

listening to daniel seems to cure my metal and attention issues in an instant.

[@tylermcneil4076]

Daniel is an amazing human being. A lot of what he said in this video reminds me of Ram Dass and his teachings. I really like what he said about sitting with someone and attending to them without judgement.

[@radman1136]

I remember becoming alarmed, as well as astonished, and profoundly disturbed by the increasing number of of mass shootings in the U.S. This, several years ago. I remember making the regular comment that it looks like we're heading for an average of one a day. Though I uttered words, I found that idea horrific, and was using it to make people think about that horror much like the ploy of a shock jock. Because I thought we were mired in shallow positions that wouldn't lead to a solution for what should have been an unacceptable situation. Now, a couple of years later, we are nearly reaching an average of two mass shootings daily, and I have no doubt we shall reach that mark. Daniel's brilliance and sense making of a panorama of insanity has been a relief.

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:03:00 regarding Frankl/locus of control… I have had the experience of a very constrained locus of control (being young, broke, and homeless) being a more hopeful situation than others in which I had a much greater locus of control. In part, it’s less upsetting when things are not going well and it makes sense that they aren’t and with that constrained locus of control you blame yourself less. When things are within your control and you have more opportunity but you still experience failure and/or let downs, it feels worse and you’re more likely to blame yourself.

[@Hara-therapies]

Brilliant. These kinds of chats should be on the nightly news. We need to organise tyson yungarporter (who discusses indigenous system) and Daniel have a chat!

[@johnathonandrewlang4778]

This was beautiful. He went deeper into some places than usual. I've engaged with quite a few hours of Daniel's writing and audio content since 2018. He strikes me as an excellent example of a complex systems thinker deeply grounded and moving evermore towards spirit, wisdom and compassion in his life. Would love to hear that Round 2 interview where he goes deeper into individual and collective practices for mental/emotional health. I imagine it would a great service for people to hear it because he is so insightful on this topic, as well as it's connection with the big picture. He already has some great stuff on this from his publically active NHC days, but it's now 2023 and it would be great to hear an updated overview!

[@annethacker8292]

Yes! Round 2 please!!

[@annemariesegeat9397]

I love him! I love this man's wisdom and integrity...and depth and heart and soul.. Ah the poised and love when he talks about his father and the grief about his way of seeing things that are in evolution… his transparency and honesty....and perceptive eye and his skills of communication… His caring actions in health, in biology, in helping change the world in concrete ways just as much as in a grounded way on the path of wisdom.. I am grateful to him, to his presence and dedication, I am grateful for the depth of his maturity in conjunction with his level of awareness. Daniel You have inspired me for many years and I know for years to come! Dear Beloved Soul!

[@JaneMaru777]

Thanks to both of you. Looking forward to Part II.

[@Truthkindnesslovefunhealth67]

All of the teenagers ( and younger?) who are addicted to gaming and scrolling etc have re wired their brains and all of those hours of focus on the internet has deeply affected their sense of self and their mental health in very negative ways. Schools have commented on this to me and it has been my experience amongst my own family, wider family and friends etc. It has also deeply affected the family unit badly too. I noticed this years and years ago and have been trying to counteract all of these issues in any way I could that I felt appropriate and from love. It has been exhausting. My family are grateful to me now but they still focus largely on this stuff and say they peers are way worse than them and way worse in their mental health? I find it all totally heartbreaking. I will keep on holding the line.!

[@joygwin6673]

a fast from...at times with the game of social fun in its place.

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:30:53 oh man. This. So much. 😢

[@tobyharper7577]

Thank you so much for this conversation with two very sincere people. Ive come from a typically left-leaning outrage at world background, covid spiralled me into quite a deep and difficult depression as I saw around me so much unwarrented certainty, from all sides. Its taken a long time to reorient myself towards a path I can trust at least has some level of awareness of this machine-like thinking, and Daniel, Iain McGilchrist, Charles Eisenstein and many many others have all acted as somewhat of a net for me, and to all the therapists out there who i beleive are acting as a replacement community in one person at this time, theyre doing such good work. Thank you to this podcast, to all the people im reading in the comments, I no longer feel as deeply caught in the dark as i once did. X

[@solarius32]

Thank you for this

[@KosmicKitchen]

Thanks for this talk; Daniel touched a burning question there: once you realise the lack of meaning around, how do you respond? Some call this a divine discontent', a potentially redeeming junction in life.

[@MrSpherical]

Truly inspiring!! 👏

[@PersonWhoAsked.]

Greetings Mr Spherical‼️‼️

[@karenohanlon4183]

Very insightful. But how do we get away from the societal drive when every day its like living in the hunger games.

[@learningthroughdoing1641]

Great to hear you talking about all through this lens Daniel, such a beautifully human conversation and suggestions. This one really touched me too ❤

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:49:22 broken sense of agency. Yes. It’s hard to understand… I can so easily control that behavior in myself… why can’t you control it in yourself? Even though it would clearly and objectively improve your life???

[@ThomiX0.0]

Thanks for presenting Daniel Schmachtenberger to us. We discuss here, the 'mental health' issues seen as the result to individuals in our society, while in fact, the hierarchical wrong doing is the 'mental health' to begin with. Pointing to others who follow the structures and systems in our culture, has little to no meaning when we ourselves have agreed to it in the first place. The well studied 'specialist, might show us things we haven't known before, but does not automatically mean we have to 'follow' his incomplete visions. As a 'follower' will never express its responsibility, which is inherent to Life itself. In the same way, we have agreed to ourselves to be corrupt occasionally when different motives are at play, and we do not even notice. In what way would I then analyse 'the society'? Like it would be different from 'me'? thanks for the moment again :-)

[@regenerativelifehacks9718]

What we do with teens and adults who feel despair is not diagnose them. Full Disclosure: I am a non-registered psychologist from decades ago, with no practice with individuals now. We, my School of members, do not work with anyone alone. No one-to-one unless in the community in the same room. I tell a story in my #3 book, The Regenerative Business, about Jane, a 13-year-old. Her mother had tried fixing her with behaviorist methods, then, a humanist methods of involving her in things together as mothers do. When they joined our group, we engaged them in a way to be present for Jane to engage in reflective expression of her Lived Experience through an Essence lens.(longer story) In Jane's case, she was a playwright in an early teen body. Someone in the community sat with her and was a Re-source (return her to herself as primary source) to her as she wrote a short play. She reported she had been imaging her despair as a play when interacting with her mother and friends. No one suggested this to her but were present with her. When she was talking about her experience, she mentioned the 'writing a play in her head." A member of the community said she could feel the depth of her story. Jane acknowledged this and started presenting to the community as a play in written form. Others who related asked to act out the play. This became a self-directed coop play with Jane as a scriptwriter. It was all based on Jane's Essence expression. The material was the fuel for the script. The actors were people who wanted to be in the play. By age 27 Jane was running this process at a community center. But if anyone tried to set this up, it would have failed. It was the emergence of the process being used by the teen and creation of their own path, that made a difference to the community. Can't help sharing since processing through my own lens and experience as I listening.

[@roundchaos]

Daniel is a LEGEND. Pure and simple.

[@tontogonzales]

I believe this is the best talk yet that I've heard from you, Daniel, I enjoy how powerful you come through when you divide the theoretical with the personal like this, may your work be blessed, and may you and your loved ones be happy

[@davekerryvane3015]

Thank you both so very much for everything that you do and for the patience and clarity and thoughtfulness and respect with which you both treat each other and the topics you discussed. In a world infested by TikTok, it’s becoming harder and harder to find intelligent long form content that isn’t afraid to dwell on uncomfortable subjects To Daniel, I’m so very sorry for your loss and so very grateful to you for your courage and benevolence. To find the strength each day to continue to give your perspective and wisdom and experience across such a vast array of topics at macro and micro levels is truly inspiring and so prescient in these confusing times. Those of us who know how to listen, we hear you, and I hope you continue to open the eyes and ears and minds of those who are willing to sit with their fears like you do every single time I encounter your presence Thank you so much ❤

[@YinzerYan]

His perspective is very much needed these days.

[@anamariadiasabdalah7239]

Os jovens precisam se envolver nestes tipos de conversa que são essenciais.

[@Drew_Hurst]

I feel that too.

[@alastairbowie]

I quite enjoyed this thoughtful discussion. Cheerz!

[@simoneerceg7116]

How do we build resilience within our hearts, and within our minds.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

It starts with ourselves. Remove your masks and look deeply inside yourselves. Look within, not at what is on the exterior.

[@akompsupport]

Schmachtenberger is on point though. He is extremely relevant!

[@regenerativelifehacks9718]

As a podcast host as well as being interviewed on 6-8 podcasts a month, I appreciate the quality of questions and reflections of Kirkland Newman and her Presence with Daniel and the vast subjects covered.

[@simoneerceg7116]

Its so overwhelming that we tend to not look at, not contemplate let alone analyze any of the mini crisis points. Unfortunately ignorance is not bliss, its become a survival mechanism.

[@klausfaller19]

It is always an absolute pleasure being showered with an avalanche of pure and loving wisdom. Thank you both. I've spent a great deal of time to answer the question presented to Daniel ,, how can we directly apply this wisdom,? What about introducing meditation into nurseries, schools and workplaces as mandatory. Making meditating a secure and save place where soul and mind can expand without the danger of polarization. A place where we connect to nature in harmony with others. Meditation should provide a common ground where we learn to race our level of consciousness. It also would dampen anxiety and lead to a greater understanding of the force coming changes for humanity.

[@georgenelson8917]

Buy land to preserve the Earth , provide a space to Mediate.

[@klausfaller19]

Furthermore, plant as many trees you can and keep chicken. Thank God, I've down something right in my life @@georgenelson8917

[@jeanneelliott7243]

Gratitude 🙏🖖

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:33:20 😢 our triggers are too wrapped up in each other.

[@heatherwallace13]

Thank you so much.

[@Nildaem]

Thank you, Daniel I sat here and felt somethin with ya. I agree "how would I feel?" is the wrong question, however I found "how could i feel?" to be worthy for considerations. You help.

[@benioren6120]

I have a question for Daniel in reference to him wanting questions. How would he reconcile his idea of focusing on individual healing as being flawed with the notion of gandhi's "be the change you want to see in the world" and Rumi's "yesterday I was smart so i wanted to change the world, today i am clever so i am changing myself" ?

[@brianh5844]

This is a good, healthy question to ask and it's something I've pondered a lot. While this may not be a satisfying answer, ultimately it's a both/and. We need to change the world *in addition* to ourselves. When we change the world we change ourselves, and when we change ourselves we change the world - they're deeply interwoven. However, if we think of "ourselves" as separate, that we can somehow start from some inner separation, heal separately, and then gradually transform until the world heals, we're missing something crucial. Namely, there are ways in which our individual health is deeply interwoven with collective phenomena that simply cannot be addressed by individuals. We evolved to band together to solve challenges that separate individuals could not. We need to look at our global systems and see them as a challenge that we cannot solve as individuals. We can do many things as individuals to help that along, but we can't stop there. The response has to be collective, too, and that means doing the uncomfortable (and also highly rewarding) work of building local communities oriented toward system change. We can start at a local level and eventually have enough coherence to address challenges that require more global coordination. Daniel describes a system that has become predatory to life itself. It is not unlike needing to band together to defend our village from a sabertooth tiger; only the village is global, and the sabertooth tiger is an economic machine that will self-terminate. If humanity, instead of cooperating to protect itself from the tiger, had instead said, "Well, we just each need to be strong enough to defeat the tiger if it catches us," then they would all have died horribly. But they recognized that alone, they were not powerful enough. We need to cultivate that same recognition with regard to our global systems. However, we also need to recognize how the cultivation of collective power can itself easily become a new form of tyranny, and do so very carefully with an eye towards inner as well as outer transformation. We need recognize our psychological vulnerabilities to grasp at power, status, sex, or pleasure and also manage it collectively as well as individually.

[@benioren6120]

excellent i love this thank you. So my next question which ive been obsessed with is how do we create local groups to start making sense of our current siutation and cultivate a feel of in group status with one another to the point where we feel the impetus to work together to save the world @@brianh5844

[@emilyreaditinabook]

When is part 2????

[@saraswatirobin5540]

Great response to sitting in the presence with suicidal ideation

[@Deciphering_Life]

PLEASE, Ask Daniel how he personally deals with carrying the knowledge he has acquired and managing to smile naturally, HOW does he personally deal with it?, This is literally a bucket list question i have for him, to have that question answered by him would do more for me than could ever be described, honestly.. and thank you for this podcast! I've watched it 3 times.

[@peteraddison4371]

... hi, there, Deciphering_Life. Greetings to you, and yours, and to those who read these words. Acknowledgement and respectful Salutations to all, from me, down under, in Australia. Daniel is a founding member of The Consiliance Project, a think tank ...

[@c3bhm]

He answered that question in a podcast that I listened to sometime this Spring. I think it was probably one with Nate Hagens, but I'm not positive...all of those are well worth listening to anyway.

[@Deciphering_Life]

@@c3bhm kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJqYXmxmidN8abs, he went into detail answering that very question I was asking in this podcast, I have left timestamps in the comment section of that video if anyone is interested, his answer is great.

[@stefanlouw6395]

just amazing.🎉

[@olivergilpin]

Timestamps would help the episode get more reach

[@TheMindHealth360Show]

We will look into adding timestamps, thanks!

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:29:38 this is what I think is happening in my closest relationship and it’s killing me.

[@sagebrushnv]

Maybe it will be mentioned (not done yet) but always waiting for him to talk about the Amish

[@roberthornack1692]

All things come to an end. Live life to it's fullest as if each day were your last & you will have few regrets.

[@barbcarbon9440]

1:22:25 This 😢❤

[@cmdennison]

I greatly admire DS and I learn so much every time I listen to him or read something that he has written, but I am not sure I buy into one of his main premises. Do I have to put Life and consciousness of others above my own? I don't think so. I obviously do not want to inflict harm or negative consequences on others, and the life I lead and the choices I make should not come with a cost to others or the planet, but does it have to be a life of empathy? Can't it be one of ignorance?

[@futureproof.health]

51:07 and yet; the algorithm brought me here. It was a vague kind of intention🦀. Machine as mentor

[@mousumimukerji4075]

Daniel is inimitable. But the host leaves much to be desired. You can feel how she doesn’t really get what he’s saying, in her bones. She’s up in her head, expresses a bunch of tropes, and responds “beautiful” to Daniel’s sharings. But I have no faith that she’ll use her platform from meaningful change. In psychiatry we largely employ a biopsychosocial model. She hasn’t alighted on anything anew. Although I’m glad to listen to Daniel address how we approach mental health, I’d love to hear him dialogue with a deeper soul on this.

[@afarwiththedawning4495]

He's right, you know...

[@iuvalclejan]

So to redesign civilization requires working on other things besides psychology: economics, technology, science, medicine, nutrition, game theory, governance, and new ways (or rehabilitating old ways) of doing these things. It includes good attention, good conversations, and good habits, but it can't stop there. And Kirkland, Daniel would probably not be able to do much as president, nor would he ever get enough votes. I think if we could build even a few functional intentional communities that could serve as an example of how to do things well and differently, and if these could compete with the mainstream for the hearts and minds of people, we'd make some significant progress.

[@ginamurray711]

Condolences

[@johnmitchell8925]

I just love listening to this guy (Thanks) Fuck, Sorry i just had to honor him

[@christinesmith1499]

I am so guilty of being sucked into the consumer society

[@kirstinstrand6292]

This is fairly normal. The challenge is how you can free yourself from consumerism?

[@user-ej5gx7ph7q]

I think the greatest influence on our health is basic inequality

[@JMLRecording]

Some couples fight over money or trust issues. My wife and I are great there and we bonded over some beautiful shared interests. However, we fight over these issues. She has no problem buying our kids fruit loops and slim Jim’s and watching the kardashians and it’s enough to make me question my entire marriage. I made her watch this video and she says it’s negative rhetoric & a pessimistic attack on modern evolution. She simply refuses to truly listen or engage. I don’t know what to do. I look at her shopping cart and wonder if we’ve just grown apart beyond repair. I know that sounds totally crazy but meanwhile this stuff is what’s MOST important to me. I wish I could get through to her somehow and I wonder how I can get my partner to care about this planet when she simply doesn’t (or won’t because it threatens her reality).

[@nickboyce4231]

I like and appreciate Daniel's swearing.

[@DM100]

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[@vastthegap3390]

How has he not been on Joe Rogan yet?

[@markc5960]

Where are the people who understand addiction in context like this? I don't think the old school sort of single issue, one program tunnel vision solution is going to be effective anymore and many in those silos will likely consider this sacrilege.

[@regenerativelifehacks9718]

enjoying the depth of knowledge and what I have come to expect from Daniel. Maslow coopted his hierary from a much better thinker. Systems Actualization was the highest ground and not individuals and their relationship. See that argument in my new book, the manuscript I just sent you to review

[@suedonn7996]

I remember a cartoon from childhood called the Jetsons. I would hate to think this earth and society would have to exist in such an artificial and sterile world.

[@vivalaleta]

Stop the wars. Give us a national healthcare system. Can we buy a house? Can we work one job? Can we afford to have a baby?

[@jimwelsh8004]

Wonderful as always Dan A poem to share please 🙏 💎💎💎Psychiatry💎💎💎 What is all this probing and analysing of my psyche Tis usually done by minds not pure But justified as right Even the ones assessing are dysfunctioned in their thought Even they don’t understand Only ‘I’ can purely sort Perhaps if ‘I’ accept things and allow them all ‘to be’ Even this delusion of ‘learned’ psychology Can take my hand Come with me and move toward ‘what is’ For The realisation of Awareness is The answer to the Quiz…. By JAWelsh Cheers 🥂

[@suedonn7996]

Unfortunately, history has documented a variety of societies, including our modern society, that have thrived on conquering and dominating. Even the Native Americans had warring tribes. Then there are some societies who thrived through community and peace. We can certainly recognize the break down of mental health in our society and its manifesting in aggressive behavior, extreme narcissism, and extreme political division. Bottom line, what will the collective choice for existence evolve into?

[@markc5960]

Hopefully those who are interested in peace and community are actually finding each other and not just sitting as observers only, perhaps even collaborating in some way.

[@zpettigrew]

Daniel is quite wise. Also, entirely correct. But I have to say it. His rationale, thesis and hypothesis is very similar to that of Ted Kazinski in his notorious Manifesto -- "Industrial Society and Its Future". I'm 100% serious. Read it. He just delivers the ideas in a calm, compassionate tone.

[@c3bhm]

Most sane people now acknowledge that TK's assessment was very intelligent, insightful, and wise. The problem is: what to do about it. That's where DS and TK differ.

[@zpettigrew]

@@c3bhm Agreed. Largely, why I have always followed the path and Ethos of Bucky Fuller.

[@andybaldman]

Kaczynski wasn't wrong about a lot of things.

[@zpettigrew]

@@andybaldman Unfortunately.

[@huguettebourgeois6366]

I really wonder if it was all better before?

[@nikomitropoulos5292]

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[@clintnorton4322]

I'd like to propose two more layers to consider. If we take Michael Levin's observations that zenobots have a more fundamental behavior "program" than the frog skin cells they began as, and apply it to human social energetic resonance fields, my thought is that what has traditionally been considered an innate human trait, the need for social contact, is really an adopted/adaptive behavior pattern imposed on top of a much more solitary and independent fundamental behavior, primarily by the "safety is in the tribe" conditioning you discussed. Maybe humans are fundamentally more bear like and introverts and autists don't resonate with the collective field. Thoughts? Then there's this. As an introvert with little to no interest in making social contact with other people I often wonder what is the difference between reclusive introverts and "normal" humans. I wonder where my perspective might differ from their's. The following is one rabbit trail I'm exploring right now. Has anyone ever considered the possibility that connection has a toxic component, perhaps a byproduct of complex connection that is toxic to human energy fields? This isn't referencing the common concept of a "toxic social environment" but that connection itself can have toxic side effects. Introverts, for example, require "detox" time during or after social events. Those on the autism spectrum tend to quickly get overwhelmed by social connection. Large scale close quarters living areas like cities have higher rates of psychological disorders than less densely populated rural areas, is this from social pressure in the conventional sense or from the toxic overload of constant pressure from the connection field? I'm wondering if "we" haven't gotten accustomed to the symptoms of connection toxicity like we did with sugar and it's toxic side effects from chronic exposure. It's also seems obvious to me that connection has an addictive quality. The increased rates of loneliness and associated disorders during the lockdown showed how dependent society has become on the steady supply of connection and how disorienting the sudden withdrawal of it is. What I'm suggesting is that, even with connection there can be to much of a good thing, that our connection detox pathways aren't equipped to handle large scale connections and the toxin bucket overflows into unnecessary conflict, polarization, and divisiveness. (with a little help of course). It could even be the catalyst that has caused past civilizations to decline and collapse. We can, of course, talk about different bucket sizes and levels of sensitivity to the toxin, but that's been covered in discussions on more conventional toxins. I'm more inclined to think about how some people can get addicted to the affects of the connection toxicity or how they tend to ignore the affects because their culture or beliefs tell them connection is only good. I'm probably ruffling some feathers with this thought experiment but I'd like some intelligent feedback. Has anyone seen this concept before? Aside from the standard narrative of traditional belief systems, what arguments are there to refute this hypothesis?

[@carol_english]

😢 I think you’ve mixed up several things in trying to figure this out. It’s interesting how you’ve wrestled with it . If you are on the autism spectrum - one of your “traits” is likely that you need less human contact than those on the neurotypical spectrum- I don’t think it actually makes sense to see grouping into tribes as being secondary. I think it is likely primary - given that you are automatically born connected. I’d say those on the AS are likely variations of the standard model. . I also think that you need to distinguish different sorts of social connection. You can be with others and not be connected, you may feel even more separated and disconnected because proximity is not connection. Likewise, there is little correlation between the number of people present and the degree of connection - if anything, large social gathering with many people actually prevent real connection by creating so much noise and distraction that real connection never builds up. Rural areas create other challenges for oonnection- in the city you have more noise and distraction- in rural areas you may not have access to any real connections unless you are lucky enough to find other that you can relate to. Anyway, I suppose my main distinction is in the difference between having lots of people around you and having real and meaningful depth connections with others. The Michael Levin connection is an interesting one, but I don’t think that you can make a social analysis at the level of the collective human organism based upon the sub-intelligences of the various internal autopoetic wholes that work together to maintain the coherence of a person… I think of the nested levels more as levels from which other levels emerge or coordinate. A human body is a vast collective or relationship. It can hardly be judged as a single anything. Using your argument, one might conclude that the idea of an individual entity, living alone and disconnected from others, must be a mishap of some sort.

[@clintnorton4322]

Ok, so let's ask some questions. Your first point is that some people may have "traits" that make them need less human contact. _Why_ would someone need less contact? What are traits? The commonly accepted explanation is that people are different and that traits are a combination of genetics and social conditioning. But Jung equated traits to archetypes and the concept of archetypes goes all the way back to Plato and is present in the teachings of Buddhism. These thinkers viewed archetypes as forces _external_ to humans, which, when de-mythologized are consistent with the morphic resonance fields that Rupert Sheldrake speaks about. So there is precedent for the concept of social energy fields that influence human behavior. Michael Levin's work shows that genetics aren't a significant influence on behavioral traits and points to electric fields as the drivers of physical form. We know that electric and magnetic fields have a direct effect on the heart brain and the head brain, why should we assume that electric fields that we have yet to learn how to differentiate from the general energy field around us don't exist. Einstein famously said "You expect me to believe that the moon is not there if I'm not looking at it?" To your point on being born connected, yes that's very true. And we remain connected throughout our lives. Some, like those on the spectrum, are extra sensitive to those connections but never become aware of the sensation of connection, just the sensation of "too much". Very few, regardless of their neurotypical status, ever become aware of the actual connection threads between each other. Fewer still learn to differentiate and regulate them. But here's the common misconception. It's assumed that connection is the same as social interaction. A phone is connected to every other phone on the network but it will only ever interact with a small number of the billions of other phones on the network. Connection doesn't automatically mean social. A person can learn how to be _aware_ of connection to all the entities in the universe, but until a signal is sent to one or all of those entities there is no social interaction. The loneliness epidemic isn't due to a lack of social contact, but to a lack of personal maturity. The Rev. Michael Beckwith often says that he is just as okay with being alone as he is being in a crowd. In my opinion that's because he has learned to tap in to the more fundamental field of being solitary but is still comfortable using the overlay field, the one adopt from herd animals, of being social. Those on the spectrum seem to be able to learn how to tap into the social field once they learn how to regulate their hypersensitivity to connection. As for which is more fundamental, the anthropogenic fossil records show that human social groups increased in size from family groups to tribes to villages, etc. This indicates to me that human social behavior went through a growth period in conjunction with the increasing strength of the overlay of the social resonance field. And while there's no significant evidence of solitary humans prior to the family groups discovered in caves, why would we expect to find that evidence, especially if we keep looking for groups. Even now the remains of bears and tigers, known solitary creatures, only last maybe 18 months. And there's almost no physical evidence that millions of buffalo that roamed the American plains only a 150 years ago were ever there. I really think the mixup is the result of assuming that what we currently experience is the way things have always been. Science, psychology, archaeology have all been through periods of stagnation because the status quo was beyond question. Is this one beyond question? Should it be? There's no mishap when someone realizes that they have no need for social contact, they can still be fully aware of the connections that exist between them and other entities while _choosing_ to be alone and not engage socially or culturally. To add some clarity to my thoughts on energetic detox pathways, our bodies have built in detoxification and recycling pathways to help regulate and sustain homeostasis in the body. I feel that the energy pathways are the same, social energy is just one of those. If too much or not enough energy is flowing then the energetic homeostasis is disrupted. And this is where individual trait differences come into play. Those tapped into the solitary energy will need little to no social energy flowing. Those tapped into the collective energy will require alot to constant social energy. Maybe Rev. Beckwith has found the happy medium. Ms. English, I'm not trying to invalidate the work you do, just offering a way to take it further. When I found that the "social imperative" was an external pressure and not an innate desire it freed me from the guilt of not being normal and socially acceptable. No more conforming to standards and norms that have some social meaning that I don't understand. No following the herd wondering why they don't look up.

[@brianh5844]

​@@clintnorton4322 Interesting posts, and I think there is some brilliance and impressive creativity there, but I would agree with Carol that there are substantial differences in the types of connectedness one has. You seem to be equating connection with something that some kind of "connection meter" could measure quantitatively. However, connection is (in my opinion) not really anything that is measurable in a quantitative sense, but rather is the harmonious relationship between beings. That, to me, is different than the amount of social stimuli (i.e. total amount of people whose language, bodies, emotions, and EMF fields you interact with) which is more measurable. However, even then, people will have vastly different reactions to that measurement depending on the specific people and communities you're talking about. I'm someone who was convinced for a long time that I do better in solitude. In the normal world, that's sort of true. I get overwhelmed in social situations pretty easily. However, when I go on retreat at a Buddhist monastery near me, I'm surrounded by people all the time, and I'm very connected to them. We have intimate, vulnerable conversations, make eye contact, and acknowledge one another's presence as we pass walking by. We eat meals together. We sing songs together. There is much, much more human interaction than I have in my normal life, but the quality of the connection is such that it is restorative and energizing rather than draining. Partly this is likely a result of all these people cultivating harmony within themselves through spiritual practice and an orientation towards an ethical life, meaning that their presence is nourishing. My assumption is that the social environments you've had have been toxic in various ways, and you've made a connection between social connection and toxicity based on your own experiences. However, I would consider the possibility that it's not some kind of direct relationship between a quantifiable measure of connection and toxicity, but rather the quality of those social environments and interactions. My personal belief is that my conviction that I did better in separation was a trauma response, it was my nervous system adapting to unhealthy, toxic social stimuli, and the conclusion that I did not need and benefit from connection was erroneous. And in any case, the toxic social stimuli I'm referring to absolutely did not cultivate what one would consider connection. On the contrary, it disconnected me from myself, it was overwhelming and I had to dissociate. This meant I was unable to connect with anyone, because one can only truly connect when one is present with oneself. I hope that is of some use to your investigations into this topic. I see a lot of my younger self in you. You have a lot of potential and have probably also suffered greatly trying to figure this stuff out. I wish you the best in all your future endeavors and I sincerely hope you're able to find connection that feels nourishing rather than disorienting.

[@SmithBrookHollow]

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[@edoardocanova444]

there are way too many ads. I keep being interrupted by ads every 10 minutes

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