I can BEHAVE BADLY because YOUR COUNTRY sucks! - Flawed China logic

[@tuomopoika]

My favorite what-about-moment in China was when I was talking about internet censorship with my Chinese friend and she countered it with the fact that Finland fought alongside Germany in the WW2.

[@chiyoko4244]

WTF. How do you even establish a link like that? Was this an example of 'makes no sense' humour?

[@kristinfrostlazerbeams]

🤣

[@pup4corn]

WOW that's some mind bending logic

[@sirboomz353]

doesnt that feel like you are dealing with the party directly,think about it dudes ,most people in there saying shit like that ,cannot fathom their country might be like that ,because they heard the retorhics so much they are brainwashed

[@warrenpuckett4203]

I have been in a lot of cities. It is nice to know the bad so you can enjoy the good.

[@ernestolombardo5811]

"No mass shootings in China" Yeah? What was Tiananmen Square, then?

[@heru-deshet359]

They never report mass shootings now. God knows how many have been killed.

[@gladiammgtow4092]

65 million dead in the great leap backwards.

[@yuzhanjiang9924]

Come on it is in 2020, can we get something new? Let’s try to guess how many people can die under Trump’s control

[@heru-deshet359]

@@yuzhanjiang9924 None, you fool.

[@mw5965]

XiChuang Sun lol thanks for exhibiting a perfect example of China whataboutism and demonstrating what the video is describing

[@emmettturner9452]

I was talking to a random 65yo man yesterday and mentioned something I heard in one of your videos. “Is that the two guys in China who ride around on motorcycles?” He knew exactly who I was talking about! You guys are just too well known. ;)

[@ThyDrunkenSailor]

Same with my brother, he was a subscriber already 😂

[@destinycoc9408]

"No mass shootings in China" 6-4-1989

[@jarelnomeh2345]

They have mass stabbings instead.

[@sophiazhu8656]

Did not happen, did you watch footage of that day? I watched on KZbin

[@winniehwm]

There's literally no footage that can prove it. You only hear it from the western media. Prove me wrong with actual evidence

[@reploid001]

@@winniehwm you had been affected by your government censorships. great firewall of china & mass public cyber profiling wasn't made for nothing..

[@jacquelineliu7447]

haha, I like this one.

[@PuyochaGaming]

This phenomenon is somewhat called "downward comparison". You use a shittier example, to uplift and justify your own. A lot of people use it during debates, and especially political and moral debates. Because it gives you some sort of moral high ground by stomping others.

[@jstravelers4094]

yō Brio It's also called, " let's change the subject, I'm afraid"

[@kmit9191]

also used to deny problems in your country. Just because the other swimming pools have more pee in them, you still should shout out when someone pees in your problem.

[@spicykimchi1]

When I lived in Shanghai in late (I want to say) 2013, the AQI hit 500. When I mentioned it, Chinese people said, "But what about London in the 1960s?" I found it weird because I wasn't around, and I'm not from England, either.

[@dimelo3027]

Actually they had a point in comparing London in the 1960s to 2013 Shanghai. Same period of rapid industrialization and factories running in full throttle.

[@stafer3]

diga Melo - Isn‘t the main point of history to learn from it and not repeat the same mistakes? Those people decades or centuries ago at least have an excuse that they didn’t know because they were first to experience it. In 1850, people in London didn’t know about existence of germs. So they were dying by thousands because of bad sanitation. But the fact that we learn this from history should mean that developing country that has knowledge of this in 2018 should build canalization accordingly so they avoid the those deaths in their developing city. It shouldn’t be excuse. “Hey, London when through that phase so we will too go through that phase”. That doesn’t make sense. If people use history just to make excuses instead of learning from it that they don’t have even bother to read it. It’s useless to them. Same with that smog situation. If you have knowledge of what happens in city during rapid industrialization then you should use that knowledge and plan ahead. American cities were rapidly expanding in 1950s when cars were the lifestyle. So they build their cities huge in size. So people could live two hours of driving from center and still be in the city. Then oil crisis came when price went up. Then effects of burning fossil fuels on climate change were discovered. And now it’s really hard for them to change because cities are already build, you would have to demolish all of it and build new from zero. So those who were building their cities later could look at them, learned from their mistakes and build their cities smaller in size so public transport could be more efficient and cars were not necessary anymore. That’s how it should be done. Someone smart should have looked at London in 1960 and ask themselves how to change things during development so Shanghai 2013 won’t suffer the same fate.

[@dimelo3027]

stafer3: Well, human mistakes could and should be avoided, and we did to a certain extent. Thats why we didn't turn into imperial Japan. (Annexation of Tibet, if you ignored the history, would be learning from the American annexation of California which was not a mistake at least not as bad as imperialist Japan.) However pollution from industrialization is not a human mistake, it is a physical phenomena which can not be avoided totally, even with 2013 know-how. Sure it can be improved and we are trying but there is so much we can do. BTW, the most polluted cities are not in China, they are in India etc. You can google that. Funny your medias seldom mention about that.

[@stafer3]

poortaiwanese Oh, so when some random country will want to modernize their telecommunication infrastructure, they shouldn’t start with optic cables and mobile phones. No, they should build their wires from copper, build phone booths and start with dial up at first because that’s how developed countries started decades ago, right? I’m not expecting clear mountain air in middle of big developing city. But don’t act as if it was some force of nature that goes around and when sees some city developing industry magics them random ecological crisis. I think people should have enough intelligence to observe ecological crisis of their neighbor 50 years prior and then use those decades to plan around the problem.

[@stafer3]

diga Melo - As I wrote to another guy. I don’t expect to have Scandinavian environmental standards during industrial development in big city. But what I can’t agree with is this attitude where you know how London ended up in 1960, you have that knowledge, and you still let it end up in very same situation. And then starting to work on it after you end up in same situation. Where is the learning process there? And when I point it out then problem with polluted environment is OK because imperial Japan killed people, USA annexed California and India does not have enough toilets.

[@chriswise8725]

I just finished watching your Conquering Northern China and i just wanted to say that it made me appreciate you two and your opinion about China so much more than i already did. You guys really do care about China and it’s great to see that you two keep making videos about it. Cheers from the states!

[@jamessamson1226]

"the air in China is bad, but in 1952 in England there was a smogg epidemic"

[@KarlTurnor]

I acknowledge that 50% of people whom watch this video are trying to find reasons to deflect what you have talked about in this video.

[@MitchCrane]

Yeah, but what about Benghazi?

[@donwald3436]

Make money for China!

[@broskiyeets1599]

@@donwald3436 50 cent awarded

[@shauntoomey3299]

Equivocation is the word you are looking for guys. The drunk driver says why don't you catch a speeder instead. The speeder says why don't you catch a drunk driver instead. Always a futile argument.

[@Matt-qm7eq]

There are tons of mass shootings in China. But they're only and always government sanctioned ;-) "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun" -- Mao

[@epicenter6213]

Matt B source?

[@Matt-qm7eq]

+dt c Twenty or so sources are on Wikipedia alone: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_of_landlords_under_Mao_Zedong. Also you can read Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang where she has about 150 page bibliography of sources and interviews with people in Mao's regime. Let me know your mailing address and I'd be happy to send you a copy. For a more recent event check out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 which has over 288 sources. Here's some even more recent events, some government sanctioned, some not listing 19 sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China

[@epicenter6213]

Matt B western country never had mass shooting? Look at America doing to those middle east? How many civilians they bombed? And school shooting?

[@epicenter6213]

Matt B stop trying to sound like a saint, western people are also guilty

[@Matt-qm7eq]

+dt c Yeah, I never said America didn't have issues with mass shootings. We do have a problem with mass shootings. You're the one that had a problem with me saying China's government did all the Mass Shootings. Because they do, and I just sent you over 300+ or so sources to confirm that. Here's statistics on the death toll in the middle east. It appears to be FAR less than what Mao killed in China, but please let me know what you find: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan Western people aren't Saints. Hitler killed somewhere between 6-13 million Jews. Stalin killed somewhere between 30-100 million Russians. Mao is also estimated to have killed somewhere between 30-100 million Chinese people. I'm not saying Western people are saints by any means. What I am saying is that Chinese people aren't willing to admit all the wrong their own government has done.

[@SjaakSchulteis]

When in Hong Kong, I loved going to Shamshui Po! Every time. First time I came there in 1983 or 1984! That was in the time that airplanes were still landing at the old airport and flying very low over Shamshui Po... I worked at that time as a flight attendant and loved to sit at the window while landing... :)

[@andyr0ck]

It's still a cool place to go for a stroll around! :-)

[@vintagestuffguy1998]

Love how winston is leafing through all the second hand stuff wanting to buy it but c-milk is sounding like his mum "you don't want to be carrying that home now do you"

[@EsmieDoll]

This is my one of favorite channels to watch because you guys keep it real.

[@HH-xf9il]

Cheers for that, and that’s what’s best for China

[@chuffpup]

Couldn't agree more.

[@TheDutchSoupPissingCompany]

Yes and thank you both for that!

[@drewster100]

I'm from the U.S., specifically South Carolina, and its generally said that SC is ranked 49 out of 50 in quality of education. Thats why we say "Thank God for Mississippi". We find solace in knowing we aren't last in education like we feel we are last in so many other things. It's just an underdog thing.

[@aidanmco]

I had no idea that's a saying, that's pretty funny

[@jeep1077]

And that's why we have Trump as President. I think if the South wanted to leave the Union in modern times we would be happy to see it go.

[@stormr6968]

At one time South Carolina was 50th in the states for education, then they bought a couple of pencils and moved up to 49. The funny thing was the governor at the time was crowing about how they had improved the education standings, but nobody was saying anything about still only being 49th. LOL

[@drewster100]

ScorpionChina I agree, states should fund education more.

[@hollyplyler5559]

Really I live in NC, but. Commute to SC

[@andrewdescombes6129]

Justifying bad behavior by pointing to worse behavior is a logical fallacy.

[@DawnTooHipChicks2]

This behavior is everywhere. You can't discuss politics here in the US without someone pulling the old "what about" nugget out against the other candidate. :( The uneducated persons argument with any subject.

[@dionysus8792]

Dawn Outwin I disagree in America they don't use whataboutism it is straight up call you in Nazi, biget, fascist or communist etc. and use that as an excuse not to listen to you. If you think about it it takes more brain power to use whataboutism than it does to just call someone rude names

[@krollpeter]

It's not on the same level as in China. A: Woa just look at the man spitting on the hotel carpet .... B: And your country? Whatabout all the refugees raping women in your country? In the US it is more like often people know if something is bad, but they seem not happy to hear it from the mouth of a foreigner. I personally do not like to live in the US, I'd rather go to China. Though that part can be really nerves-wrecking. It's not only the man who spits on the carpet. It's daily live. Little (needed) changes at the work-place, you can go insane.

[@dionysus8792]

D B ya, cant lose an argument if you don't let them have an opinion

[@dionysus8792]

Peter Kroll "if you don't like American then go back to China" is what some might say but I actually like discourse, ahem, well founded criticism can help move society forward. You can't solve a problem if no one is willing to talk about it

[@richellelemon3137]

Dawn Outwin ... i live in Canada where our whataboutism target is you guys, believe it or not! We have a pseudo-psychopath-in-training as the head of our federation but at least he isn't as bad as yours. That's our resolution - At least we aren't American. Every time someone spouts 'whataboutism' i always deflect it back! I hate that shit.

[@Dsdcain]

What about Australia? They have kangaroos and mammals that lay eggs. Just thought I'd try to deflect the comments section a bit. Love the videos guys. Thanks for them. *:)*

[@peterpain6625]

But what about New Zealand? They do not have one local species that want to kill you ... Ok, sandflies do not count ;)

[@jebronlames4559]

And they lost a war to birds

[@17hmr243]

2 guys in a jeep has never been a war.

[@mortimerhasbeengud2834]

The violence caused by boxing kangaroos on meth is outrageous there. Alos, even though Aus banned guns, we all know that roos also do concealed carry in their pouches, and the weapons smuggled in from Indonesia. Yeah. its all making sense now! ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

Don't forget the Australian Drop Bears unlike those stupid Bamboo Eating do nothing Pandas.

[@rainbowsnugglefritz]

I like videos like this. It makes me feel like I'm walking with you with all of the randomness and distractions.

[@donwald3436]

I don't have ADHD though.

[@docstrife3749]

I'd agree

[@rossmoore-far2155]

Great! Nice to see the gritty side of Hong Kong.

[@DesolatorMagic]

Meanwhile KZbin's like "at least we're not as bad as Vimeo"

[@Carejovite]

It's funny how we all run in the same circles.

[@jaysanchez4407]

I Agree does Vimeo even have traffic 😂

[@ineedmoney121]

wtf is vimeo?

[@bendosage3445]

its like youtube but the content has some degree of artistic merit, and less clickbait

[@cosmicrider5898]

no just not a large user base, sucks because the quality is so much better

[@pauloroberto7875]

hehehheh, this is a trend everywhere! You almost cannot talk to anyone without the whatabout ism. It's very sad, it means they do not have a counterpoint or even want to think about solutions to the problems. What we need is will to solve problems, not get away from them with this whatabout BS.

[@dimelo3027]

Well, it is one thing to compare to South Africa ( a third world country) and it is another thing to compare to America (arguably the best country in the world.) Whats wrong with comparing with the best and say "see even the best is not as good as we are in this aspect, so we must be doing OK in this aspect, so pls stop complaining about us in this aspect."?

[@pauloroberto7875]

I get that, but I am from a 5th world country and the attitude is the same. It's a way to avoid resolve problems. Who really cares if the other country is or is not something, we should acknowledge problems in order to solve them.The point is getting better, solve the problem!

[@peepingtom9342]

There are hundreds of things to compare between countries and not in all of them US is the best. As example, when it comes to the handling of homeless people or housing you better not try to imitate Californian policies, there are countless countries who do better in this department. There are lot of things US or some states in it doing right, but just as many they do wrong.

[@dimelo3027]

Peeping Tom：sure but pls don't expect an average Chinese to be an international expert, he/she merely knows America, god he/she only knows America for all he or she knows. God PC English is such a pain in the a**.

[@pauloroberto7875]

Good point, and they should try to improve where is right and correct what is wrong, that's the deal! Finding excuses to do nothing is the lazy attitude.

[@aaronbaughman6264]

I've experienced this at work. Our China counterparts will spend 2 days going back and forth in emails about an error that they made, and why it isn't their fault, instead of owning up to it, fixing the mistake, and going on with life. I never understood why admitting a mistake was such a big deal until I watched the episode about "Face" in China, and now this episode. I now have a much better understanding of how to deal with my Chinese counterparts. Thank You Both!

[@l1mmg0t]

Chinese like to defend themselves instead of improving themselves. that why I always say China will never be a first class country (not even 2nd class), giving 5000 years history still no changes. when I met someone defensive, I always ask back saying ' so because other people did that so you think it is okay to do this ?'

[@Omi_Kasigi]

Ah, I miss this street. Used to go there every weekend when I was still working in Hong Kong. I remember buying a lot of souvenirs for my relatives back home. Ah... good times.

[@chiyoko4244]

I loved the street food from there.

[@worldtravel101]

Excellent topic! Glad you covered this.

[@zofiaanna2467]

I absolutely LOVE your content, guys!! Currently watching you from Beijing, China :)) stay awesome!

[@thegrimyeaper]

"Stop rocking the camera like it's a baby." If only he would listen.

[@stig]

The trick is to put one foot in front of the other.

[@pacmandrone4070]

No the trick is to skip while you walk every 3 steps

[@Flimzes]

deepthroat all forms of inequality, like your blatant racism, are amongst the biggest cancers in the world.

[@JuniFFXIVChannel]

He's practicing!

[@ABBZ120]

Fruity Pebbles yeah I noticed something was off, I wonder what it is

[@Nabium]

You think what-about-ism is bad in China? Well what about SA where it's so hot the ice cream melts before you can eat it!!! Didn't think about that now did you?

[@ahlivetuhsidamaro150]

I’m in Zhangjiagang right now and if I hear what about one more time I’ll scream! Deflection is what it’s called in the psychology field. Anyone who feels like they can’t support their stance says that. You’re spot on!!

[@cjbeckersf]

I was in HK the other week for the first time. That computer/gaming market was crazy! I never experienced anything like that before.

[@lostaris]

Yeah the one in wan chai was pretty good when I was there ten years ago, would be nice to go back and see how it has changed.

[@cooliipie]

Same, but I couldn't wait to leave, it was horrible :/

[@arty2k]

If only you could have done a camera walkabout in historic Kowloon.

[@liizzset]

Art Clark They could go through the park? The remains are to be there in the Kowloon Hong Kong park. Not sure if it still exists?

[@Kee2Oz]

Cool that you and Oliver crossed paths.

[@sturmdrang4976]

Chris AA ... Oliver probably is from Germany judged from his English pronunciation, from which Mr.Worldstar Gigolo Snakemans father came..A countryman..

[@FalloutConspiracy]

You can always count on ADV China for quality content.

[@TheShadowofDormin]

As and all around artist I love watching Winston get B-Roll and the smoothness of his wrist and shot, its interesting because I bet those skills and small touches is what made these channels get big

[@tkadn338]

I noticed that Chinese individuals tend to have an outstanding national pride who easily gets hurt by even a slightest bit of criticism. And I dislike how Chinese people think Korea and Taiwan are part of their country and how they think China is a superior country (or even the strongest country compared to other Asian/Western countries). No, I don't have any problem with Chinese people

[@krollpeter]

That's not quite so. Actually China claims a number of areas around China, incl. some small piece of India, Tibet, Taiwan, the Phils and others. But they do not claim Korea.

[@TheBeardedBlueberryFarmer]

Russia should absolutely be counted as an Asian country. Hell there are Russians populating former Japanese islands north of Hokkaido.

[@haruka6672]

Peter Kroll they claim Korea as a satellite state, Which is kind of same

[@wisdomleader85]

It's quite complicated why they behave that way, but I guess I can say the primary reason is that they were never exposed to another side of the story or even factual details in their elementary or middle school history classes since that was what happened to me, and we all know history education is a huge part of promoting a nationalistic mindset around the world. The lack of such exposure leads to the lack of giving second thoughts.

[@krollpeter]

The part right of the Ural is Asia and everywhere recognized as such. That's the far bigger part. The part left of the Ural is European. That's where far more people live.

[@jrbrt]

Great vid as always guys :)

[@PokaP]

Could you guys do an ADVChina episode about Chinese movies?

[@Crumphorn]

That would be really interesting.

[@mustangmann3502]

One of my favorite channels.i have learned so much about China thanks to you guys . Cheers

[@freespirit6209]

Good job pointing that out. So annoying when people try to deflect criticism that way! And certainly not just in China.

[@jonnaleenojonaleeno4786]

You talk a load of sense Winston , but the childish mentality of deflecting occurs often when the deflectors have nothing constructive to add or they cannot take constructive criticism !....They are trying to take things offensively rather than process problems and accept things could be done to sort them out .

[@mapesdhs597]

If someone deflects, just respond with, "Not an argument."

[@Matt-uy8tw]

No you reply with “that’s comparing apples to oranges” both are problems but they’re not the same problem stay on topic

[@Hunter_Brandon2]

Okay Mr. Shapiro. Get off the high chair.

[@kmit9191]

@@Matt-uy8tw even if it's the same problem, a problem is absolute not relative to others.

[@stargate4698]

Forget the roaches. I wonder how many 10s of thousands of rats live near the apartments and shops.. Trash everywhere must be a smörgåsbord to them.

[@ynwaaiy9640]

To most of Chinese people, China is the best country. While, they immigrate to western countries.

[@celestes.7187]

YNWA AIY sadly I know many of the offspring of these immigrants suffer an identity crisis and find themselves siding with China no matter what without ever having lived there. As a Chinese person living abroad, it makes me cringe when I see these people who have absolutely no clue about the reality on the ground talk about how China are the good guys... it’s bizarre.

[@pbc5137]

As an Indian living in China, I could never give my observation about China ever without getting flack for how shitty my country is. This came from plenty of expats as well. This totally resonated with me.

[@jrbrt]

Will you guys bring back ADVChina live?

[@ADVChina]

yes

[@jrbrt]

ADVChina awesome!

[@Bunjamin27]

How can you do ADVChine live, in China.. given how they crack down on mobile VPNs? Winston said in his livestream yesterday that he can't stream while he's out and about because they crack down so hard and the mobile VPNs are so unstable

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

YAY

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Nord VPN and PIA worked for a friend when he went there a few months ago.

[@ginsunh]

"What-aboutism" is rampant among low intellect Americans when politics is discussed.

[@albeit1]

"What about quality of life in your country" Seems to be an example of the Tu Quoque fallacy. “Tu quoque” is literally Latin for “you too”. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

[@TheDeathMocker]

Watching from The Netherlands, guys stay awesome and keep them videos coming. You guys are amazing!

[@ernestolombardo5811]

Well at least MY country didn't kill all the sparrows, creating a plague of locusts that destroyed all crops and the ensuing famine killed over 20 million people.

[@Ronni3no2]

I think many people don't understand the difference between "I am now going to deflect by introducing an unrelated question" and "You are a hypocrite".

[@jeygee3736]

So what if china doesn't sort their rubbish? In America they eat hamburgers and fries which cause heart disease, you hypocrite!

[@antaine1916]

The rural-ish suburbs of upstate NY where Laowhy86 is from is gorgeous and affluent -- truly a fantastical dream compared to even the best that China has to offer in terms of standard of living (and it's only "middle class" for the USA). SerpentZA has always been very honest about South Africa which, truly, has gotten so bad I fear that open civil war and possible genocide (and soon) is, at this point, inevitable. What the Chinese don't seem to understand is that none of that, whether recognized explicitly by the commentator or not, changes the realities of China one iota. That said, you guys speak more highly of China, highlighting China's good points, in every video. Even in the videos where you're talking about some negative aspect of it, you are always quite forthright in pointing out the good things that go along with that.

[@laowhy86]

thank you for saying this

[@PoTommyPo]

Antaine Ó hÓgáin PREACH, they’re always fair about looking at both sides, which is something the wumao douchebags can’t seem to understand

[@gs2tab]

So much less irrational hate in the comments section after calling out their main argument technique, whataboutism. Perhaps ADVChina should mention whataboutism in every video to keep those kinds of pests away from the comments section.

[@peterpain6625]

+laowhy86 You clearly love the country. Both of you ... Whataboutism is the social cancer of this century. Keep up the great work!

[@wininspn]

For over four decades, *Hong Kong has had the freest economy on the planet,* according to the Cato Institute. In stark contrast to Communist China's authoritarianism, Hong Kong is the world's best example of the free market at work. A related statistic is that HK's per capita life expectancy is among the highest in the world. It helps that *Hong Kong is much less corrupt* than Mainland China (according to Transparency International), and HK also enjoys social freedoms standard in independent developed countries, such as freedom of speech, freedom of peaceable assembly and protest, and freedom of religion, though the Communist Party would like to have more control.

[@timothyreal]

Oh boy, the CATO Institute.

[@markhawthorne6683]

So damn good. Street life, uncut chat, this is brilliant. Great insight into this marvellous world

[@AndyRRR0791]

It's interesting to watch the beat frequency of Winston's bobbing head relative to C-milk's camera-synchronous head.

[@轩辕荒芜]

hey,bro,I am chinese,Now there are some problems in China.But I believe it will solve it for a while.Think about it 10 years ago, or even 20 years ago, China has more problems.Welcome you back to china after years,good luck for you.bro.

[@gaarac.1578]

XXX Jack Bull shit. The servility of chinese has never changed for thousands of years. Many things of a nation wont change, they are the gene of the nation. 别自欺欺人了，深入骨髓的劣质基因，十几年就能变好？

[@danielmanrique8107]

Hopefully, i have seen the west has had some influence in china's culture and it has helped them grow, but the stubborn attitude towards the ''outside'' of china's cultural bubble and the nationalist thoughts of ''You're wrong! China's perfect! Go back to your country if you don't like it!'' are holding back progress. China's awesome and it has the potential to rock over ALL, it doesn't have the cultural errors that a lot of western countries have, which is a MASSIVE advantage, but its own problems are holding it back from reaching full capacity and make all china a 1st tier everything. I can see chinese people have caught up on the problems that need to be erradicated, which makes me proud and it's mostly the youth, which talks wonders about the new generation of chinese citizens, but well, only time will tell which voices will be heard, the new ones or old ones. I want to go to china and hopefully live there, but, as a foreigner, we'll see how that goes, only time will tell.

[@Dr.Pepper001]

How many viewers read through the comments while they try to listen to the audio? I do it and eventually realize that I don't have a clue about what Winston and C-Milk are saying. My brain is not that good at multi-tasking.

[@ivaniniguez2077]

OMG ! SUPER ZING BY LAOWHY ON MA DUDE, LMFAO ! 11:56 "I like mini disc cuz I have mini disc player " wait for it...12:00 "said no one ever" first time since u guys captured my attention that I literally lol. U guys rock ! Keep it up. Cheers from Los Angeles my ninjas

[@williamhenry3251]

Love you’re work

[@noortaref8721]

I've been watching your videos for a long time now, you gyus acknowlege the real problems in China and things that people really need to start paying more attention to... you are helping me alot in preparing myself before going to learn mandarin in China! Thank you alot, every video that you guys upload is amazing! Keep the good work winston and C-milk❤

[@jaydamalley3398]

_"90% of KZbin comment sections are cancer. So why can't I come to your comment section and spread the cancer?"_

[@Kasphs95]

These comments is nothing compared to what trump Say.

[@jaydamalley3398]

No interest in TDS, thanks.

[@dbclass2969]

Conquering South Africa would be epic and interesting assuming nothing dangerous occurs

[@peterpain6625]

It's been done ... They called it mad-max ;)

[@proforce1497]

they will be in danger

[@dbclass2969]

tha Proforce Most crime in a country affects the poor people there , not really tourists, but there’s always a chance of something happening, even in China

[@dbclass2969]

tha Proforce Most Black South Africans don’t care about a race war, they just want to go to work and live their lives, yes there are racists just like America but they’re the minority

[@proforce1497]

Demonta Barrino Saw a video with south africans marching and yelling that all whitemen should die

[@Ryfinius]

reminds me of the saying "what does that have to do with the price of rice in china?".

[@myassessmentadres1349]

So good to see you together

[@Dowlphin]

When you said even Syria is safer than South Africa, you have to understand that very likely the illegal foreign military activities there will not enter the crime statistics for the index. It might even be purely 'regular' crime, not counting anything related to warfare, like IS activities and such. Also, keeping track of crimes committed in a war zone can be difficult. As for the main topic, watch that you're not becoming oversensitive and get annoyed by any comment doing a comparison to other countries. There's a lot of casual chat in that and it's not whataboutism.

[@alexale8540]

It's SAME for all communism societies - we also come through this in USSR (Russia), it is the trick of propaganda, the authority recognize ANY critics as danger and they attack them. But the critics in fact made not to destroy the "regime" (which authorities think) but opposite - majority of people may like to live in communism but with critics they want to improve it. The same serious dilemma with critics was in early days of Lenin communism but in the end they fall into Stalin dictatorship (Mao and North Korea is basically the children from Stalin's model, most chinese don't know that Stalin always humiliated Mao like bully at every meeting, Mao visiting him so often, like some servant boy) which drown all critics or any potential enemies in blood. The trap of such dictatorship systems when they destroy any critics or public speech by censorship is the destruction of any connection between high and low levels of society and this is the foundation for a coup or riots, always.

[@chiyoko4244]

@stealthballer They aimed to be, even though they failed. You are nitpicking.

[@chiyoko4244]

The Russian state archives have many gems on PRC and Mao, what joy it would be to have them all digitised and available online!

[@vsfships1102]

The ship at 00:20 is Star Pisces and ive seen her as Kalypso in Finland!

[@JohnAdamso]

My 2 favorite you tubers. Thanks guys!

[@suzannedube7245]

I love your channel. Always new things to learn. Makes me travel a bit and understand the country when i can't actually afford it for now.

[@stanleyyelnats9159]

This is the kind of exploring I wanted to do when I lived in India, but hostel life is rather.... cloistered. Keep up the great work guys so I can keep living vicariously through your exploits!

[@oliviasummer8356]

But learning to make a plausible argument is a skill learned in school in the west through proper debate. I don't think those skills are emphasized in China so people don't grow up knowing for example what a straw man is in a discussion or debate. It's actually a learned skill and without having those skills taught, people kind of end up arguing as children would "I'm rubber you're glue." level of discussion. Critical thinking and discussion skills are more emphasized in western civilization.

[@MM-mc2bf]

Totally agree

[@randalglyph4967]

"But in your country, I bet you have cheap tat, too?" "Yeah... it comes from here."

[@muhdiversity7409]

literally is literally used for literally everything so it literally has lost its literal meaning. Just Saying.

[@peterpain6625]

you're so right, literally ;)

[@saturatedfat6424]

muh diversity your comment is literally irrelevant to the video

[@jonadabtheunsightly]

This is related to the whole face-saving cultural mentality, which explains so much of Chinese politics and policy. China can't admit that they are moving away from communism because it is a terrible economic system, so instead they say they have a "communism with Chinese characteristics" or "market communism" or some other opaque misdirection. They can't say "Mao set China back two decades, and communism has proven to be an economic disaster not only in China but actually in every single country that has ever tried it, so we are going to set all that nonsense aside and move toward a Western-style capitalist economic system instead." No, no, Chinese communism is a great success, and we are going to enhance it even more by adding just this little bit of additional, very Chinese stuff to it to make it perfect. It's the same reason that China is one of the top world leaders in territorial disputes. It's the same reason the One China Policy is a thing. It's the same reason they made so many exceptions to the One Child Policy that it _effectively_ did not exist (for example, rural families were allowed an exception; also, urban families were allowed an exception if they payed a tax; and minorities were exempt; and Han Chinese were exempt in areas with a lot of minorities in them; and so on) but the law was still totally on the books and was official policy despite not being enforced at all in practice for more than twenty years, before they finally officially changed it to two, which presumably won't be enforced either. It's all related. On the other hand, you have to give China credit for being very deliberate and careful about their policy changes. If you compare China's transition from communism to capitalism against Russia's, you can see that China actually knows exactly what they are doing. They just can't say it out loud.

[@chizukoingraham7550]

False pride! I am from Okinawa; and we have an old saying. "Kiramaa miishiga, machigee miiran", meaning, you can see the island way out there, but you cannot see your own eyelashes.

[@edmconnoisseur]

I would've picked up that famicon i

[@itannoysme3348]

15:42 Evil Auntie alert. These guys had no idea but their lives were in serious danger!

[@AlbertManiscalco]

haha i saw that too lmao

[@AlbertManiscalco]

its a joke, lighten up

[@oliverb6313]

smells like it too.

[@alexandery8508]

They are in Hong Kong right?

[@gardensofthegods]

She looks wrecked... maybe she has drank too much fake alcohol in her lifetime

[@renlin6614]

"Very easy to fix, just educate people!" I don't think that works as well as you think...

[@EvenInArcadiaIExist]

Indeed.

[@Desiderata77]

Dear ADVChina could you make a video about tattoos in china? Is it frowned upon? I want to go to China for a vacation but as a heavily tattooed woman I wondered how Chinese people would perceive me? I travelled alone trough the Philippines and during the daytime it was ok, but when I walked alone outside when it was dark (just early in the evening) I was treated like shit by a lot of people. They thought I was a druglord and had spend a long time in jail. I have never committed a crime in my life!!!I felt really bad being treated like that. So if I go to China, can I walk in a t-shirt or should I cover up?Thank you guys! You make great videos! Keep up the good work!

[@kingming3738]

I remember bringing a VCD player and some VCDs back to the UK from HK in the late 90s. People were amazed by such coolness. Videos on CDs?! This was before the advent of the DVD and VCDs never came to the UK.

[@FoodforThought12345678dsds]

But what about Wing?

[@beefonstick]

In Winston’s defense, my mind went to Haddaway too for some reason.

[@gexwing]

12:21 i think that guy just stole a wallet and is running away!

[@proforce1497]

see it too

[@lululiu8006]

so on point, and I think sometimes it applies to individual human too, human nature, tends to choose the easy path of being blind to its own issues or difficulties facing them right in front, we duck around, point fingers somewhere else, change our focus somewhere else, it could be a phase that help to relieve the pressure and it could be a life time choice when things happen, there could be a time when someone decides to 'ok that's it, i will just face it', taking responsibilities of themselves and really addressing and acting on the problem, it takes time, as an individual, it will come to this maturity and as a nation or the whole humanity, it will, it will one day comes to it, in fact it has come to it, there are people who are like you who have chosen to be on that stand and really doing it, I m so on board with you guys on that, maturing up, we all doing it.

[@kristinak2930]

Winston, talk more about South Africa, please! I'm very interested! If it's hard for you to talk about it though, I understand.

[@ADVChina]

Watch my latest video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYulioKnd9dlqcU

[@kristinak2930]

ADVChina thank you!

[@jebronlames4559]

The main reason the Chinese empire fell wasn’t because the British came, but because one of the Qing emperors was too ignorant and closed its connections and stopped developing

[@a.westenholz4032]

No that is oversimplifying. The arrival of Europeans wanting to trade and the confrontation that they had with China certainly had an impact on China. Both sides were used to thinking themselves culturally superior and weren't really capable of giving in. In the end the Europeans sort of won (by underhand methods) on Chinese home ground, so of course it matters. Second, rarely throughout China's imperial history does the emperor actually reign, his function being more ceremonial than political. The chief chancellor was usually the one with all the political power, though there were other political factions. The dowager empress, empress, and other imperial women, who usually came from these political factions, were all part of the game. The Imperial Court was one big political arena. But the emperor himself had very little to do with it. Ironically. However, there was a problem in that culturally the Chinese had seen no reason to change or to appreciate that which wasn't Chinese. And even when the Europeans came with all their new technology, all they wanted to do was limit their impact and ability to change society in any way. That just wasn't possible. The way the Europeans behaved was shamelessly arrogant, both in trade and missions. But the Chinese were equally arrogant in their own attitude and had been that way for a long time. They refused to recognize that it was necessary to change in order to survive.

[@arturasp9738]

Empress Dowager Cixi, thats the reason the empire fell, she was killing anyone who challenged her, crushing much needed reforms to stay in power and finally even killing the last emperor (who was pro-reform).

[@a.westenholz4032]

@anthonylau1 China had until it met with representatives of European nations only dealings with satellite nations, most of whom sent tribute to the emperor, and would kowtow when doing so. The Chinese had no experience in negotiating trade deals such as the Europeans were proposing. The Europeans at the same time were insistent and impatient with court protocol, in short disrespectful, because they looked down on "the natives". Also what the Europeans initially demanded was completely out of line, and led to them being sequestered in the south. I don't really see why China should have simply rolled over and submitted to the Europeans when they came because they were slightly more technologically advanced at that point (depends actually what you choose to examine). When the Europeans first make it to China the technological difference isn't actually that great. It grows during the 1800's, in part due to what is happening in Europe, and perhaps due to the challenges that China meets having to deal with the problem of Europeans on their doorstep. We'll never know. Our map making traditionally is Eurocentric- take a wild guess why. Before that for religious reasons Jerusalem was usually placed at the center of the world. From a practical point it would make equal sense for the Chinese to want maps with China at the center, and so be able to tell how far any other place was easily relatively. Though I'm well aware that wasn't why. China has long thought of itself, ages before the appearance of any European on the scene, as the Middle Kingdom, due to geographical placement. It was just carry-over from that.

[@anthonylau1]

@A. Westenholz What do you mean the technological difference wasnt great? By the time of the first opium war, britain was already an industrialised country with one of the strongest navies in the world while China was still mainly an agricultural economy. How on earth do you not see the difference in power here? When the british envoy was told to kowtow, William Amherst accepted on the condition that someone from China also kowtow to a picture of the British King. I would hardly call that rolling over, they wanted equal treatment of their nations. The envoy wanted China and Britain to be viewed at least as equal powers symbolically and in the negotations. The british demanded to be recognised as equal in the proceedings for trade negotiations but in their arrogance, China refused and looked down on all other nations. Had they recognised the threat that the british posed and proceeded with negotiations (that were cancelled due to the kowtow) in order to contain the damage then perhaps they would not have experience the opium wars in the first place. It was literally their own arrogance that caused their own hundred year of humiliation. They outright refused british diplomacy because they wouldn't submit to their emperor as a lesser nation. With no diplomatic avenues available for the british to open up the chinese market they immorally used military force instead through the opium war. Besides, that's the thing with China's court etiquette, it was based around looking down on other states and the kowtow reflects this. Their very cultural etiquette showcases their arrogance at the time, of course I would look down on such etiquette. It's like a fox saying to a bear "In my den, it is manners to kiss my arse and say that bears are shit compared to foxes. After you've done that then we can talk." No matter how you look, its absurdly arrogant.

[@a.westenholz4032]

Because the First Opium War happens quite some after the Europeans first arrive and start trading missions with China. The Portuguese start them in the beginning of the 1500's, the Dutch in the 1600's, and the British (who weren't required to do tribute or kowtow as long they traded in Canton) in the 1700's. It was only when they wanted to trade in in other ports of China that they were required to submit to the tribute system. And why should the Chinese submit to "kowtowing" and tribute to a foreign leader when they aren't seeking anything from them, as they would see it? It is the Europeans who came and wanted something from the Chinese, namely trade, on certain terms, and became very dissatisfied when they couldn't get it on those terms. But until the 1800's the technological difference between Europe and China isn't all that different. The reason the British use opium is because it is the only product that they actually have that is really marketable in China. They are quite conscious of its affects and that the Chinese authorities have outlawed it, but they don't care. They know it is addictive, and so creates a stable market to supply. It very cynically done. I find that it later becomes a problem for Europeans ironic. The Chinese themselves as I initially wrote do have plenty of historical arrogance to account for. They too have a long history of considering themselves superior to everyone, and disparaging everyone around them. An attitude that still remains till this day. However, at times they were equally forced to pay off their neighbors with little in return in the form of security, despite all the rhetoric. The Chinese often in the past would claim something ideologically while what actually happened may have been something quite different. But it doesn't change my original point that the meeting between the Europeans and Chinese was a meeting between two arrogant mindsets who both considered themselves superior, and in which neither were culturally capable of giving in. In the process there were plenty of faults on both sides, but in the end China suffered most as it played out on Chinese home ground.

[@willdau]

C-Milk looking quite annoyed throughout. Hope its not due to strain on your relationship but comes from other parts of life.

[@peterpain6625]

Looks like lack of sleep or hangover to me ...

[@gardensofthegods]

he looks like that in some other vids, too... glad I'm not the only one to notice it. Maybe he's tired or hungry or sensitive to the daylight , or is in a serious frame of mind.

[@tundeuk]

Bananer! Maybe he is fed of of the BS in China 🤷‍♂️

[@edmondbradley305]

Best KZbin channel

[@radcow]

Yeah but what about the other KZbin cha shoot in 4k

[@jst1man]

I will say, thanks for all the hard work. Thanks Guys.

[@andyr0ck]

Sham Shui Po is such a good wander around. I take visitors there. The stall consisting of *only* remote controls is great. The area has some real charm.

[@wonteatit]

You guys are so catty in this video 😂

[@brucemcfarling7810]

Saland Findles "Video brought to you by Chairman Meow"

[@MWBlueNoodles]

Saland Findles how?

[@hansolo6751]

how tall is c-milk?

[@liizzset]

Max Wooks For real?

[@hansolo6751]

Max Wooks nah I don't trust u

[@haruka6672]

Han Solo About 9metre

[@bonbon_ann2701]

C-milk is not real, he's CGI.

[@PoTommyPo]

Han Solo He said he was like 6 feet or 6’1 before

[@Leonartist]

c==8 at 1:24

[@andrewclark891]

Have you considered running a organised motorcycle tour around the interesting parts of China, enjoyed both Conquering Southern & Northern China

[@stig]

I used to own that Sony Mavica that took the floppy disc. One disc could hold about 22 images, so I'd carry a stack of discs along with the camera everywhere I went. I loved it but one day it turned into a brick, and then they discontinued floppy discs.

[@threedogsandacamper503]

Another fascinating video. Perhaps Chinese culture will outgrow this “habit.” That said, you could use a haircut, round eye (just kidding) 😀.

[@krollpeter]

That would take until the next generation. The next generation which is not born yet, that is.

[@zhoupact8567]

I think its rather basic human nature to be honest. But It is something that can be overcome. Still, if you do start changing that mindset, that will create a stronger people. A people that more easy can raise up against the government if it do something bad. That would not be something a government would want. Even less one like the Chinese one. So I would expect the government to work against such a change.

[@universethousand9087]

Are youse two all right ? Seems some negative energy between you both ?

[@Chris-eo1bp]

Universe Thousand I’m sure it’s because the topic is negative and it’s a frustrating issue.

[@sambland3903]

How lucky was Oliver haha.

[@slowburntm3584]

I have lived in or near Detroit, MI for most of my life and sure, it has some aging parts of town. Especially around the neighborhoods that encompassed any of the dozens of car factories that have long since moved to Canada, Mexico, etc.. BUT, Detroit is really coming back in a big way. We have very new football and a baseball stadium that are literally a stone's throw away from each other, and just this year we got a brand new Sports complex that the Pistons and Red Wings are sharing along with all the big concert tours. Also, there is a state park island where once a year the Detroit Grand Prix is run with off times it doubles as a nice BBQ nature park to have family reunions.

[@slowburntm3584]

A suspension bridge and a tunnel under the Detroit river gets you to Canada in 5 mins. With the biggest perk of all is my house cost me $15,000 after taxes with an attached 6 car garage. I could go on and on, but I am not blind either. Detroit has had and is still having hard times, BUT THE WORST IS EASIlLY BEHIND US.

[@chloehulbert]

C-milk has got his cranky pants on in this video!! Poor Winston ha-ha C-Milk- your hair is too good to be cranky, and Winston is there looking like a Boss as usual :) Keep the videos up guys. Love to see the places you explore :)