Aeldari and the Summer Balance Dataslate Update

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@RBTGames 4 ай бұрын

FYI illics lone op style shroud d range is still 12". It only went out to 18" for stratagems that confer the ability. Not inherent abilities.

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yup. Sorry.

@Chadguin1 4 ай бұрын

On the wraithlord, I recently went 3-1-1 at the Bristol GT, even at 160 the wraithlord provided a great second line of defence and Fortune (-1 to wound) target after my opponent had cleared my wraithblades (axe/shield). I found by the later rounds my opponents didnt quite have the steam to push through his profile in a turn. He's an excellent road bump for not many points.

@maxmagnus377 4 ай бұрын

If this nerf is a way to include a wider variety of units then honestly they should have gone more for the buffing route rather than nerfing while we are starting to really creep into the lower ranks in terms of competitive winrates. Listbuilding was on a knife's edge already, and the skillcap of the faction is probably one of the highest in the game. Continuously playing whackamole with our autoincludes gets very frustrating if that's all we've really been seeing for a full year now. This will especially be the case for those of us who aren't at the cutting edge of skill (ie like 95% of us) Phoenix lords went down almost across the board. Great, but Asurmen still leads a terribly low power aspect and Maugan Ra is still a worse Death Jester. Corsairs of both varieties will never fill any particular niche if their weapon options are either: equip everyone with kinda bad melee weapons, or splash in some wildly variable ranged options. As said, Dire Avengers are quite horrible. Give them Battleline and OC2 and you might see some of em at times. Guardian Defenders might be okay at 100, but are one of the least exciting units in the game probably. Howling Banshees can't really stand on their own feet. High AP but low damage, the same amount of attacks as basic Intercessors (who hit Banshees back harder than Banshees hit them probably xD) no overwatch protection and bad toughness means they probably need Jain Zar and a Falcon to perform. But now I'm spending about 1/6 of my points on a unit that doesn't deserve that amount of investment when compared to other stuff that can do the same amount of killing for far cheaper. How the shadowseer has never seen a change all edition is utterly baffling. Shining spears are still kinda bad at 100 points. Unwieldy large bases on a mounted unit which tries to do a little bit of everything with its weapon profiles and subsequently gets outshone on all accounts by better options. The Yncarne with its ability change from a few months ago at 350 points compares quite poorly to the other shard of a god we have. 300 Might be a better points level for it. Troupe share the same issue Banshees do. Fragile melee unit that has low damage and needs a ton of support. Pretty much only truly viable when joined by Yvraine and the Visarch. A max unit of that is 395 points now... xD I have never ever seen or heard of a list a list with a Troupe Master doing decent at a tournament. Same with all the Warlock variants. Conclaves would be such a cool little unit if pointed a bit more competitively. This has been the case all edition now and yet they remain untouched? The Wave Serpent compares very unfavourably to a lot of other transports in the game. An enormously unwieldy, relatively fragile hull that can't transport a maxed out troupe with the 2 characters they want, with just 1 big, and 1 smaller gun... for 120 points? Wraithguard got hit by 4 nerfs at once 5ish months ago and have completely dropped of the face of the earth since, as far as I can tell. Why not wind the changes there back just a smidge to bring them back into consideration? Point is that there was a plethora, a whole SLEW of possible small buffs here and there that could accomplish the same as yet again nerfing the auto includes. I can get behind nerfing like that when we were at 52+% winrates, but we were at 47... Just feels like we're not allowed any playstyle that works this edition.

@pandabear6379 4 ай бұрын

I’m excited to play with the Wraithlords as an Iyanden army owner. 145 pts makes them more expendable, and fun to just throw as a T11 irritant roadblock for the enemy.

@Involution88 4 ай бұрын

Still a net increase. Wraithguard up 20 points per 5 previous dataslate. Wraithlords down 15 points per one. Wraithost is still diminished.

@RBTGames 4 ай бұрын

I honestly feel like people sleep on the wraithseer. Invuln, dirty melee, and a d-cannon.... Attach a spirit seer and buff him with a farseer and he will tank the world while devastating a ton of stuff

@therat5288 4 ай бұрын

@@RBTGames But i feel like the invul rarely comes into play. Havn't seen alot of AP -4 and even if they have a unit with AP -4, my units are in cover most of the time anyway.

@ProxyHammer1 4 ай бұрын

I've been looking forward to this! Have to admit I'm a bit salty with the nerfs although I think we will still be strong because of the PN rules but time will tell!

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think it's going to be fine. As I said, Yvraine is the only one that I think was unreasonably problematic

@ProxyHammer1 4 ай бұрын

@@WBConcilio Very true people are still going to have success with hawks, spiders, and dragons

@brettpeeloff2120 4 ай бұрын

Did you see those terrain layouts, thicker than the Vietnam jungle

@pawlettskatersalex 4 ай бұрын

My reapers, dragons, hawks and spiders went up but karandras and the wraithlord went down so works out exactly the same, at last! 😂

@chrisgoddard7981 4 ай бұрын

I’m amazed the Avatar is untouched by the nerf bat. He’s my MVP in pretty much every game. It’s almost a game in its self now to see how frustrated an opponent gets pouring shots and melee attacks into him, just for him to stand there and then destroy stuff afterwards. 😂

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I really don't think he is broken though. He is our only truly viable anvil unit, and there are ways to take him down- he HATES the grenate strat, tank shock, and anything that does dev wounds

@brettpeeloff2120 4 ай бұрын

Agree he needs to be like 300 pts 😢

@davidfeline5850 4 ай бұрын

Asurmen is looking good on his own. I've tried him with Fire Dragons out of a Falcon a couple of times previously. It worked very well into Chaos Marines at the time. He can just delete things in close combat... That 3+ invuln save is nice too.

@Sykdude 4 ай бұрын

Asurmen can join fire dragons?

@davidfeline5850 4 ай бұрын

@@Sykdude No, just ride in the Falcon/transport with them. He's a big melee threat to anything that tries to counter attack the Fire Dragons or can finish their heavy infantry target off in combat very easily. He also overwatches for free...

@PT84 4 ай бұрын

You are correct with the Ynari being able to take troops as battleline. There are synergies in pariah nexus that benefit having good battleline. You also have the secret mission that needs to have a battleline in their deployment zone at the end of the game. With all of elders movement strats that is easily achieved.

@fybso3057 4 ай бұрын

Your channel is my escapism to me pretending i have an eldar army

@anselme9493 4 ай бұрын

Buy 3 combat patrols!

@fybso3057 4 ай бұрын

@@anselme9493 lmaoo

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

hahahaha

@brettpeeloff2120 4 ай бұрын

Lol would take weeks to put those together

@markdorn8873 4 ай бұрын

Wow, you were fast and comprehensive in your review! Thank you!

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

my pleasure

@nicholaschapogas5296 4 ай бұрын

Scorpions dev wounds are not "only into infantry". They are technically dev wounds to " anything without the vehicle or monster keyword ". Does open the targets up a little

@Wybrand418 4 ай бұрын

Totally agree on wraithlord. It needs to be closer to 130 points. I used it against death guard recently, and in contagion range it was hitting on 5+. It went head to head with defiler and it got wrecked. Funny ending though, I had 2 models of rangers that got extremely lucky rolls and finished off thr defiler.

@jackalford6948 4 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree with you more RE the Wraithlord. I really like them in games of 1000pts of less because they are reasonably tough and pretty good cost for output. But in any game higher than 1000pts they get absolutely deleted off the board because of how much firepower can be taken in those lists. Realistically I'd like to see the ability they used to have of reducing damage by one. They aren't reliable enough to be killing things regularly to generate a decent amount of Fate Dice and therefore i think that ability is a complete waste. A -1 damage ability would be super helpful just to give them a bit more survivability.

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, great point. In low point value games, they can be kind of hard to deal with

@justryanmurphy 4 ай бұрын

Was looking forward to this! Thank you for the update from the murder elf standpoint. Love to hear it, and GUTTED for Yvraine. I started with 30 Corsairs, so she was a great add to make them not suck...and now they're an expensive unit...because people want to spam Scourges.

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I sumpathize- the Yvraine nerf was a bad call

@NegativeNezzy 4 ай бұрын

I literally finally found a NIB Yvraine and she gets banished to the shadow realm

@davidfeline5850 4 ай бұрын

Now need to re-think how to deal with heavy infantry. Given the nerfs to Spectres, Reapers and Dragons. Which were go to options for me. I'm thinking Windriders and maybe a Wraithlord with Star Cannons could be good options.

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I REALLY like big units of Windriders with GUIDE- but I have found if you go that way, you also want a unit of Shroud Runners so that they can get lethal hits to multi-class into hard-target elim

@davidfeline5850 4 ай бұрын

@@WBConcilioThanks for the tip on that. Shrouds are a really useful utility unit to have, so this is another great reason to take them. 🙂

@Greymyster 4 ай бұрын

Me and a mate have recently gotten back into 40K and I'm slowing buying (for a second time) all of the models I used to have back in 2006... including recently acquiring some Striking Scorpions. I love me a bit of melee action but I also don't wanna see my units wiped out, so I figure I've gotta work out how to wipe them out first! I still need to get hold of Karandras but man, with some Scorps and bailing out of Falcon, those guys can do some whopping damage aye! Like, my mate plays Necrons and, by my maths anyway, when disembarking from a Falcon I'm expecting 16 wounds (i.e. avg dice) - after saves - on both Necron Warriors and Lychguard (incl. pistols). So I'll focus on the positives and be pleased to see those guys come down haha [for comp, from a Falcon Jain Zar and Howling Banshees would do 21.5 & 11 respectively, while a Troupe Master and five Harlequins would do 16 & 11 resp.]

@ProxyHammer1 4 ай бұрын

I think most people are sleeping on the Wraithlord, heroic intervention being 1cp and they more appropriate cost into MEQ and lighter transports i think will allow it to see some play

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I hope so. That 4+WS is just SO unreliable

@ProxyHammer1 4 ай бұрын

@@WBConcilio It is sadly... I find that not thinking about it helps the lord roll better ;P

@ericlegrue6775 4 ай бұрын

My last game I had karandas and an exarch do like 12 wounds to mortarion. Karandas slaps

@ExileWargaming 4 ай бұрын

Excellent insight! I think pariah nexus will be a net positive for aeldari. The terrain pack and secondaries alone seem like a pretty decent buff for us. Phantasm seems pretty great again as well! I can even see a world where avengers and asurman are very useful 😅. Overwatch and Phantasm, backed up by a fights first unit for only 2 cp max seems pretty decent!

@twitchy85 4 ай бұрын

Great stuff keep up the good work

@odinwhoknowstoomuch8589 4 ай бұрын

Glad to see my wraith army has been spared for another year

@ElGordoBandito 4 ай бұрын

We aren’t the only struggling faction that got slapped for seemingly no reason. I also play Ultramarines, and they butchered the one detachment that was semi successful. Mostly because Dark Angels and Black Templars were abusing it. That wasn’t even our fault but we got hit for it anyway 😅

@monkeybmcgee 4 ай бұрын

I'm a week out of a GT and have to change drop 60 pts from my list. Being lazy I am a little annoyed. Other than that the changes make sense.

@byrongotcha 4 ай бұрын

Gonna switch out my Dcannon for a wraithlord in my game tomorrow.

@Evan-qf9zq 4 ай бұрын

How did it go??

@byrongotcha 4 ай бұрын

@@Evan-qf9zq eh. The wraithlord is just ok, did a little but then died. Dcannon still probably better

@rickytantriad 4 ай бұрын

Great video!!

@henrylidstone6391 4 ай бұрын

So if you don't control objectives at the start of the game, does that mean guardian defenders can't generate fate dice in turn 1, and storm guardians can't sticky objectives in turn 1?

@dorzimm 4 ай бұрын

It happens at the end of the command phase and, as it is your turn, you get to choose the order of simultaneous effects -- so you can still get fate dice t1 on your home objective.

@ur_shulgi9133 4 ай бұрын

New viewer here. Great review & commentary! Was wondering if Aeldari were getting a new Codex this year or is it TBD?

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Woot! Welcome! I don't have any info on when the codex will drop, but I am not expecting it in 2024.

@EddieTheValiant 4 ай бұрын

@WBConcilio just in time for 11th edition

@specialmeats 4 ай бұрын

Ynnari took a double nerf with +25 on Yvraine and the +10 on Scourges... ugh. I know, I can still take all our other bright/dark lance users, but i already have 15 scourges painted, lmao.

@WBConcilio 4 ай бұрын

Okay fair, but Scourgaes were INSANE. Drukhari need something like that, for sure- but wow.

@craigbrunotte 2 ай бұрын

Always adding a comment after I watch

@WBConcilio 2 ай бұрын

@@craigbrunotte Really appreciate that

@eldenwarden9673 4 ай бұрын

Yass... read the runes for us Brent.

@NerdJake 4 ай бұрын

The 3 up inv safe doesn't matter since the wounds the unit suffers just jump over to him. *For Asurmen

@nocnygrajek 4 ай бұрын

Great review! One thing though: Yvraine has a pivot value zero. Pivot Value ■ Models have a pivot value of 0", unless otherwise stated. ■ *Monster and Vehicle models* (excluding models on round bases, and Aircraft models) have a pivot value of 2", unless otherwise stated./ Yvraine is not a monster or vehicle.

@marcthompson6951 4 ай бұрын

The tournament companion changes this to all models without round bases

@nocnygrajek 4 ай бұрын

@@marcthompson6951 Yep, right! I saw that later. Now we have 4 game modes, and a different movement rules in the more and more distinctive tournament mode. I hope they'll consolidate it somehow in the next BDS.

@calronkeltaran493 4 ай бұрын

4+ for wraithlord is realy odd. compared to the warwalker, he doesn't realy have more durability (except vs small arms fire but wgaf) and is still more expensive. yes in return he gains a melee profile but it still feels odd. even more so, since Eldar has lots of better options for melee threats

@Jjormungandr 4 ай бұрын

Seems to me that fast roll reroll apply to every rules which allows to reroll one roll (like our detachment) You now can just fast roll then reroll what you want with full knowledge (see "Fast Dice Rolling and Rules That Allow One Re-roll

@cruelmole 4 ай бұрын

52.5 points per skyweaver 😂 what are gw smoking.

@devotedtodestruction 4 ай бұрын

Ynnari players tripling down on raiders, Kabalite warriors and ravagers as we speak. GW gonna make us unplayable after this 😅😂

@RBTGames 4 ай бұрын

10 man kabalites with yvraine and the blade storm strat, shredding any infantry in the game.

@devotedtodestruction 4 ай бұрын

@@RBTGames I like the way you think.

@wojciechmajka5504 4 ай бұрын

@@RBTGames or 5 kabalites with splinter cannon in venom. the other 5 can walk out from reserve with archon in first round of battle.

@TheTommyFrench 4 ай бұрын

Question: With the changes to how Captain units interact with stratagems, Autarch is the only one that allows players to double up on stratagems anymore, even if we pay the cost…so we could double overwatch…does that mean we can triple overwatch with Asurman? Rules as written?

@marcthompson6951 4 ай бұрын

No.because it doesn't specifically name overwatch like asurmens does. Twice yes. Three times no.

@DestroyerofToast 4 ай бұрын

As far as Forge world is concerned, I expect all those units to go away. Sent off to legends, where are you can still play with them with your friends, but I’m also worried about updates after they go to addition 11.