Affirmative Action is Racist (Part 2) | Change My Mind

In this second installment, Steven has three more conversations debating Affirmative Action, including a UT Professor of Hip Hop.
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[@StevenCrowder]

Which of these discussions did you appreciate the most? Did any moments change the way you think about affirmative action?

[@ryanschubert5480]

I love your videos, keep it up and Merry Christmas to you and the team

[@firstclassslayerhq]

Full disclosure... I haven't finished the video yet but I don't figure my opinion that it is racist will change. I just wanted to get a good spot on the comment feed. 😒

[@safarfsaf]

I really liked the professor. I saw a lot of myself in him. I am a poor white man. I went through a similar mind break (red pill) during the election. I was a massive fan of Bernie, and got in a ton of arguments/debates with a co worker. After the first few times he finally cracked through me being dense long enough to make me question my own position. Once that happened, my ego took over and I looked over tons of research. Eventually coming from a super blue left Democrat to a conservative. It was very jarring to some of my friends and family as my change happened very fast. On the bright side, now I am more conscious of what's going on and do more research to make sure I don't end up doing the same on this side. I bet that professor just started down a similar path I went. I hope he gets through it with his job intact.

[@151monka]

Professor Rafeal, He was very ingaged, kind, professional, honest, openminded, and was able to present human ideas, not left ideas, human, honest, and accepting. Good talk, and you can see how interested he is in his eyes, he was so focused on the talk, so involved.

[@americanvikinggsd4631]

YT has put you on my suggested videos/front page!!

[@johnpowell7419]

Moral of the story, asians are punished for being smart.

[@eddynewton4081]

and having to study for hours after school awhile playing a musical instrument

[@Wysewolf]

@@eddynewton4081 Saw that thing Connie!!!

[@itsdomtoo]

And expected to be a doctor by 20

[@colinrhee98]

@@itsdomtoo or lawyer, or astrologist, or any job paying more than 6 figures tbh

[@insaneoh]

I wouldn't say "smart", I'd say "stonger desire/discipline".

[@Dazzleteats]

This professor was able to listen and re-evaluate his position. Props to him.

[@thecastle09]

hell no....., hes a fraud too....

[@VanTesla]

Hopefully it's genuine. If so it is a great thing when people with completely different views can come to understand the other side and revaluate said positions. Any time you can get to actually understand each other and come to respect the other person is a great day in my book. Even if in said day the rest is failure.

[@thecastle09]

dont trust the left ever. Theyre never honest when put in this position. i know these kind of people. trust me.

[@acloserlook5823]

He's worked in the private sector. They expect results.

[@Meechy37]

@@thecastle09 Immediately condemning any individual who leans left as dishonest sounds fucking stupid. I'm not leftist in any extent but I understand that liars come from every walk of life. I mean how ignorant do you have to be to assume such a superlative perspective is true. Everyone is susceptible to being possessed by their ideology.

[@heyyall9378]

I love the beautiful sound of people having a thoughtful conversation about a sensitive topic. We need so much more of this.

[@michaelsong5555]

I'm Korean, and naturally, it was harder for me to get into the universities because of my racial background. It required for me to get higher score in SAT, higher GPA, and even more extracurricular activities. But you know what my dad said after realizing this reality? "Well, you can't change your race, and you can't change the world, so suck it up, and get higher score. You now know that you have to do better than all the white people, so do better. And in order to do better, you must put more effort than them. Don't expect that you're gonna do better if you're only inputting same effort as the white people." And it worked. I tried harder, and I got into one of the high tier colleges (not my first pick, but still).

[@Uchyiamada]

Well done!

[@dickiewongtk]

Asian grind set

[@janiyahbrown2166]

Thank you!!! I feel the same way! I instead of complaining “oh I’m black I have to work twice as hard” I just at work….twice as hard. It’s okay, I’m up for a challenge! In the end, my work ethic will take me farther since I am forced to meet a higher standard.

[@puvididdle]

i guess affirmative action is just going to amplify the very thing they trying to avoid.

[@Actually_Woke_6277]

Or maybe you lacked personality

[@loverof74z]

Race shouldn’t even be asked on applications....

[@angieruthw]

Agreed!

[@knxcholx]

Honestly, you shouldn't have to disclose your race except for a doctors office

[@donaldcurry1020]

@@knxcholx agree cause there is some medical stuff that affects different races more then others.

[@fragolegirl2002]

It’s to keep track that there isn’t any history of racial discrimination in any employer

[@knxcholx]

@@fragolegirl2002 umm....actually it's for affirmative action. And if you don't believe me Google it. It's the only legal form of racism allowed in America today. And it's not against blacks

[@ZackRamsey14]

First kid, "I don't think it's about being fair" Liberalism in 2019

[@LaptopmenaceMTK]

@rockster10101 when you have only one set of ideas being taught on campus, this is what you get. You're right, it's not the kids fault he was only shown one side of the discussion. I feel bad for college students. Most of them get their real education after they leave campus and realize that there's more than one way to think about life.

[@cloud_monkey422]

Laptop Menace it’s not the kids fault that’s what he was taught but there’s plenty he could have learned on his own. It’s no ones fault but his own for being closed minded and not looking at the whole picture

[@bgfarm857]

How do you get this is typical liberalism these days? Most lefties want everything to be completely fair to everyone no matter what. Which isn't possible without holding down some ppl which is unfair and just like that that idea contradicts itself as soon as they say it.

[@zachpinney]

That’s the difference between equality and equity.

[@hammypie]

Zack Ramsey - the last girl ALSO said this lol

[@joey8458]

Came for the debate. Stayed for the professor’s story. Really enjoyed him .

[@stephenlogan239]

Would love to see a follow up.

[@Beaupre68]

The discussion with the professor was probably the single best discussion I've seen in this series. And a great example of how this series is and can be such an impacting teaching experience for people to understand how to keep themselves open to others point of view. And his productive and necessary it is to have open dialog. Love what you do Steve keep it up.

[@CyberDemon1776]

Can we get "reverse racism is just racism, change my mind"

[@musicstuff698]

reverse racism isn’t real

[@SieraXQCL]

@@musicstuff698 yes it is

[@musicstuff698]

uh cici What I meant was the concept of reverse racism isn’t separate from the concept of just racism itself.

[@SieraXQCL]

Your Average Young Composer true

[@dano8613]

@@SieraXQCL it's a misnomer, racism is racism. Saying reverse racism is real is implying that racism is something only white people do and reversing it is back at whites. Everyone has experienced racism in ones life some more than others obviously.

[@mhd9688]

That black dude...maturity and open-mindedness was dripping off his beard

[@jumpingbetty3951]

@Si V what? no?? the point of these is to talk about 2 different opinions with open-mindedness in other words, listening to the points without acting like a child and screaming your point without listening to the others point. Did you see him shutting down Crowder even once?

[@mgray4254]

As a man with a amazing beard myself, I appreciate a good beard when I see it

[@team3gaming749]

MH D I agree. He seems very mature.

[@team3gaming749]

Si V Lmao That’s not how it works though. Look at his willingness to listen.

[@Slickaintgotnosorrowbitch]

@Si V bro you're too woke

[@OffensiveJestr]

This was definitely one of my favorite Change my Mind segments. I also enjoyed the professor's perspective and his willingness to listen and even change his view.

[@Flexyourmemes]

First kid had never heard this type of thinking before. Professor part: I can personally attest to the father being in the household being a huge impact. I didn't have a father and a largely abusive and unsupporive mother. I started community College twice, dropped out twice. I had no support and got sick both times. Parental support, social safety bet in family and friends are huge. I've been lost most of my life.

[@elvdma91]

The next one should be “Any race can be racist change my mind”. I just heard someone at work say black ppl can’t be racist. 😂😂😂

[@Whalshamyh1]

I truly hate when blk ppl say that.

[@JJKK408]

Are you saying black people aren’t capable of the same things as white people?

[@elvdma91]

Whalshamyh1 it’s funny cus she’s not black she’s Hispanic (so am I) and I just look at her like 👀 and tell her “that’s racist”. 😂

[@greysongan3410]

I’ve been told by a girl who majored in gender studies that I, an Asian, cannot be racist because I have no power in this society. It’s disappointing to hear the doctrines that are taught by university professors nowadays.

[@Nick-gi6hj]

I'm a senior at Portland State, all of us had to take a summer class (and outside of that class as well) where we get indoctrinated about how white people are internally racist and always have been, because we colonized so many countries, and killed most native Americans, and if we question anything it means that we are scared that we're losing our power in society, and anything anyone says against us is fine because minorities cannot be racist. And even though I'm from eastern Europe where in some countries I've been mistreated for my nationality or due to where I grew up, PSU professors and students tell me that I'm racist too, because I benefit from this society that was built on racism. Great times we live in, ey..

[@chase-n-supers314]

That professors beard is on wizard level.

[@cw6795]

One of the best I've seen. As a man who can only grow a decent beard, I'm jealous.

[@Baljeet_benchod.007]

Gandalf the black

[@chase-n-supers314]

@@Baljeet_benchod.007 bro I'm dying here. That was good.

[@MrSumone]

Straight up

[@kevinkerr171]

He unlocked the ultimate sheeeeeee

[@amandagold31]

I really appreciate the professor. His mind , collectiveness ,his experience, his humor ,etc.

[@kimberlywalker7275]

I am watching older videos while I work today and I LOVE Raphael! The "Affirmative Wave" was Great!! Love these sit down conversations with different people.

[@jpg7616]

1st kid: “You need a Masters to get a minimum wage job.” 2nd guy (professor at UT and Princeton): “I never went to college” 🤔

[@D4rkM4773r]

JP G 🤦‍♂️

[@clotheslinespider6976]

What was he professor of again? was it, hip hop dancing? of course he didnt go to college!....

[@dach829]

That first kid kept repeating popular talking point, sad hes going to school and cant create his own thoughts

[@bzeldin82]

You missed the point. He worked hard, educated himself. And made himself succeed without college

[@ShaggyTheClown17]

@@bzeldin82 But more so it was the poor judgement of the college itself to employ such a person.... or maybe it was good judgement, I mean it depends on what the college's goal is, to educate people so they can succeed in life or is their goal to just make money and fill the college with useless classes to waste the student's time and trick them into taking out more loans in which they'll be enslaved to for the rest of their life... Ahaaaaaa. But if the college had the main goal of educating students to succeed in life the guy would have never even been employed for the job in the first place because its a retarded useless job.

[@doc_s1krr751]

"We need Affirmative Action that benefits everyone" Yeah... that's called merit based acceptance... you congrats, you got the point!

[@RoyBruce007]

Kinda like MLK but he was a Replublican . So no one will?

[@oceanwaves83]

"Black people cannot succeed without assistance. I mean, just look at them. They're BLACK FFS!" -Affirmative Action

[@Tirryna]

@@oceanwaves83 That is exactly how I see AA. I may be white, but if I were handed free stuff out of pity for the color of my skin and not my hard work, I'd be pretty damn offended...or wonder if I actually earn stuff...

[@justinjordan3033]

Affirmative action is racist...."PERIOD"!!! I have been denied assistance and turned away from filling out job applications (employment opportunities) because of my skin color and gender alone my for the past 20 years. And at the same time treated like I'm racist. The first 20 years I had been adopted by farmers and turned more or less into a field servant. In other words, I have experienced the complaints of the (marginalized communities) first hand while being treated as if I have all the opportunity. "We" the people need to begin work on a new system. The current one was built on lies and outdated thinking. You can only repair a busted up old car so many times before it's time to scrap it and get a new one.

[@frandavis1990]

How is that possible with nepotism everywhere?

[@caylumganshirt4571]

The conversation with the professor was the best conversation I've seen on this show. Good on him.

[@Pvaultingfenderbass]

More professors please. It’s worth noting that college students are mostly kids. Doesn’t matter if they’re 19, 20, 21 you’re a kid until you live and work out in the real world. As someone who leans left, is in the army, and went to college, it’s nice to see you talk to people who are actual adults sometimes. I’ve noticed if they are older than 25 they typically have more productive conversations with you. I’m white and actually experienced racism in college because so many people are radicalized there and I definitely felt pressured into feeling guilt for things I never did. So It’s always entertaining when you own those people verbally, but it’s always nice to see the wholesome conversations between you and people with more experience being alive (age)

[@SonoftheWest316]

Agree

[@SeaSkyCity]

The professor was a class act. Great back and forth - maturity on both sides. He earned that beard.

[@jasmitsirah]

Bro he was inarticulate and struggled to string sentences together

[@1320Bushido]

Beard is dope. hes not a debater but he has an open mind.

[@SeaSkyCity]

@@jasmitsirah When you're comparing it to Steven who is ready , of course. No yelling, respectful and willing to listen. Not much more you can ask for , for a "pop up debate". Not saying it's the debate of the century. He did earn that beard.

[@mikec2845]

@@jasmitsirah So would you. So would I. He mentioned numerous times that he didn't know what Steven was talking about. He took his time to listen and understand. As the conversation went on he got more confident and there was healthy back and forth. Respect the fact that despite his articulation he was still willing to participate. Nowadays as soon as people realize they're not prepared for a conversation it's more common to see them get defensive and shut down healthy discussion.

[@beenieweenie1986]

with great beard comes great responsibility

[@maryadams3357]

White beard, blue shirt, red shoes. This guy is the black Papa Smurf.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

That would be a really good rapper name, actually.

[@TheTruthTalker_]

@@Dennis-nc3vw this comment is really underrated

[@Tuuktalus]

Yeah no Papa Smurf wore a hat.

[@brierrose411]

This dude is teaching to get girls.

[@namanchordia294]

Dennis M amazing

[@cynthiaallen9458]

The professor has an amazing story and is so open to hearing all opinions, hard to come by with anyone that teaches at a school. Great conversation to listen to

[@liftedlegend710]

The first dude clearly is just spitting out things hes heard but hasnt understood

[@Vanlifecrisis]

Product of modern school system. Indoctrination and regurgitation are the goal, not critical thinking.

[@carpediem4887]

He is a parrot

[@swalhal3701]

Also "fuck asians" apparently?

[@Le_Church]

@Arion Noble "Just how it goes."

[@landonsarrett5686]

*squak* government programs! *squak* marginalized communities! *squak*

[@subsWithoutvids-tt8qs]

“You need a masters degree to work a minimum wage job” Yeah if your mayor is gender studies.

[@Goat.Cheese]

Mayor of gender studies

[@TheDominiqueBallou]

😂😂😂😂

[@HK-lb5bh]

Don’t forget art

[@subsWithoutvids-tt8qs]

H K jajaja

[@BandAid350z]

“A Masters majoring in Lesbian Dance Theory and a minor in Wealth Redistribution.”

[@tylerherring9930]

I love this channel and these discussions. I appreciate how everyone was able to see the apparent problems with affirmative actions even if they didn’t necessarily change their political or social outlook. Because regardless of whether your far left, far right, black, Asian, or white, we should all be able to look at this program and say this is discriminatory despite intentions. I also appreciate your stance that we can’t be focused on righting past wrongs, we have to focus on doing good by everyone, motivating hard work ethics, and instituting family values moving forward.

[@sirspoods7327]

i really wish you'd do more of these, really are your best segments

[@redgeneral5792]

"You need a master's degree to get a minimum wage job nowadays." You'd be right, if I was getting a master's degree in Sociology....

[@adamhellman9373]

Everyone knows gender studies is the highest paying major

[@szeth0177]

Red General gender studies...

[@burtbiggum499]

Man if you show up to an interview looking good and acting put together you can make your way into a trade with little to no experience and make enough to live.

[@oakjim206]

Brian Wilson ... exactly. Nowadays it’s less about your education, and more about experience and character. Having the willingness to learn and adapt will get anyone to the top.

[@thenumber1baller946]

The worst is when a black student is accepted to a high level college with bad grades and fail and are in debt the rest of their lives, with no degree.

[@OmarAbdulMalikDHEdMPASPACPAPro]

Yeah.☹

[@cal8362]

When he or she would have been much better off going to a trade school, and maybe that is where they would have went without the affirmative action

[@Mr0supra0]

@@cal8362 Listen to the 1st kid. "You need a master degree to get minimum wage, basically..." They are absolutely oblivious to the world arround them, they don't have proper plans for the future, because all they care about is social status defined through their amount of activism and open mindedness.

[@omaralajmi1551]

Yeah 😓😔 damn

[@omaralajmi1551]

@K Will My close friend had a Scholarship back from 2012 till 2016... he failed during the year 2014 , and he's now in Debt for about 120,000$ to the Ministry of Education.. now he has to Pay each month... it does happen ( Not a Statistics based , it's Reality Based ) now he's working in a Job with his High School degree to pay his debt & live with whatever Money he got Left 😬

[@dougzart]

This was really cool to watch. 2 human beings just chitting the chat without motives, etc. Each guy dropping ideas. Thanks. Looking fwd to Monday's show. I'm betting the undergrowth.

[@keylay88]

This professor was the most rational person of any change my mind so far!!! I want to hear more of his opinions on social issues as he and you Steven can have a very civil conversation.

[@audreywy1743]

This girl is so clueless. She's buying into affirmative action because it benefits her 100%.

[@AlexysRM]

That's really what it boils down to. "I support affirmative action because I know that I wouldn't be here without it."

[@daddywanks4505]

John Smirk how

[@GuerrillaSM]

Shes a child who has been spoon fed victim hood her entire life. We need to change out language when talking about people like her. Sure she's misinformed but she's also had zero pushback on her ideology and hasnt formed a mature method of constructing an argument. if she was 30, sure, clueless fits but she probably isnt even old enough to drink yet.

[@GuerrillaSM]

@John Smirk is technically right. she has a clue that affirmative action is built for her and therefore she should support it cuz shes been told it will help her and maybe it has. The way welfare works is it DOES HELP SOME but long term it hurts more than it helps and thats the trap, people dont think long term

[@Lost_souls_lose_freedom]

Exactly I think its obvious she got into this university on skin color alone she isnt smart enough to comprehend any of the facts she is handed. she just keeps going back and talking in circles until the opposition just gives up and she walks away thinking she won the argument...

[@RandomGrump]

I’m pretty sure that’s the only Professor to ever talk to him on campus.

[@johnnybeasley3675]

Well one spoke to him technically, but then accused him of threatening his son who honestly may or may not even exist

[@a.s.3601]

@Clarence Whirley at least he isn't professor of gender studies

[@aaronvector4750]

Only professor to speak, and he's a smart one! (Can't say so much for the other professors)

[@betenoire1145]

That's a pity because it's nice to hear from someone with experience and education

[@RandomGrump]

@Clarence Whirley seems incredibly bright to me. He considers his answers before responding, listens openly to the other party’s points, and weighs both sides.

[@jamesmcnichols3817]

Rafiel is apparently a really really good dude. Great conversation. I love when guests don't interrupt Crowder and it is an actual LEARNING conversation. I LOVE it.

[@joshuazorkastevens2627]

Good job Steven! We need more people to put time and effort as you are, to combat this pathology. Appreciate what you do bro

[@jesserichards729]

"You basically have to have a masters degree to make minimum wage these days." Electricians: am I a joke to you?

[@Sandlin22]

I'm a butler and I make more than the average four year degree lol I literally wash dishes and run errands for a doctor and net 80k

[@defeqel6537]

Electricians, plumbers, garbage disposal workers, software developers, ...

[@reneeelliott7264]

Electricians are better then these millennials. Electricians actually make a difference.

[@bw1620]

Ive been a sparky for 15 years, i earn more than some engineers i meet at work

[@notinuse298]

It fucking irks me when people say that. No, you don't need a high degree of education to make a decent paying job. There are tons of high paying jobs out there. People just don't want to take them because they are hard work, and they are lazy pieces of entitled shit.

[@jimmyejordan4133]

When you talk to an adult professor it’s crazy how much different the conversation is

[@SP-td9xj]

He was great but youd be surprised, watch some of Michael knowles videos

[@davidpfeifer9489]

Jimmye Jordan He was a very smart guy... this was my favorite episode. Beautiful conversation

[@davidpfeifer9489]

seth platt ?

[@SP-td9xj]

@@davidpfeifer9489 im saying this particular professor was very courteous and civil, but many I've seen like in a few michael Knowles videos, have been immature, smug brats

[@davidpfeifer9489]

seth platt Gotcha, I thought u were saying this guy... yeah most professors are very biased idealistic propaganda pushing scum nowadays. And they have the nerve to claim they are liberals

[@heartbeatsdrum]

The 2 part "Affirmative Action" Change my Mind series is the most civil, productive and heartwarming of them all. Change my mind.

[@whitebird803]

I love the fact that most of these students are willing to have the discussion. It gives them the opportunity to listen to apposing ideas and argue their points based on what they’ve learned so far.

[@TheRancherAndTheWife]

Hip Hop Prof is so close to getting red-pilled, he's a thinking man.

[@damianpos8832]

better late then never i guess

[@francisdrake6622]

No he isn't. He won't be changing his mind. He's been brainwashed to have an inferiority complex. His age and maturity has overcome some of it, but it will always be with him.

[@orange-rv9ek]

That's the sign of someone truly intelligent. Seriously, people who question their opinions are smarter than anyone who never questions their opinions according to research.

[@markdouglas1601]

@@orange-rv9ek this. People who can look through their own cognitive dissonance and be insightful is extremely intelligent.

[@heidilear7222]

the Strat it is called smart enough to know that you are stupid Most people never reach that plateau of wisdom

[@subsWithoutvids-tt8qs]

“Its not about being fair” You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.

[@jenniferriggins9918]

a socialist

[@SgtImrak93]

Its Treason, then.

[@kingoftendie]

@@SgtImrak93 UNNNNLIMIITEEEEEDD POOWWERRRRRR

[@subsWithoutvids-tt8qs]

shut beak amen

[@jacobreid7077]

The dark lord has twisted their minds

[@yaskingslay]

Easily my favorite videos. I love these talks. These students have no idea how DELUSIONAL THEY ARE!

[@KingKinfolk]

This was one of my favorite change my minds . So glad I found this channel.

[@ciderxera4963]

"You have to have a masters degree to get a basic minimum wage job today" My dude you are in the wrong field. Ever hear of trade schools?

[@ciderxera4963]

@Logan Waltz it's about 12$ here in California

[@aleckermit]

My first job after highschool paid $12 an hour.

[@BuckerydogSchmuckeryDog]

That entire sentence is so wrong it makes my soul metaphysically cringe

[@claybrown1258]

My first job as an electrician paid $17 an hour. Plus benefits. And I'm also a felon.

[@ciderxera4963]

@@aleckermit My friend made about $15 an hour working with machinery straight out of highschool. Granted it's a seasonal job. But he was doing great. Also shipping companies pay good where I live for dock workers. They're not prestigious jobs, but for not having a degree they pay good for just starting out

[@timmack2415]

That professor is an impressive guy. And I'm not surprised, that wizard beard just screams wisdom.

[@rickroth2188]

Beard is certainly on par

[@bestgamerinworld]

Thats racist

[@timmack2415]

@@bestgamerinworld What's racist? Wizards? The professor?

[@bestgamerinworld]

@@timmack2415 I was trying to find something triggered to say!

[@jacobkreifels7690]

What about Jack Dorsey!

[@TheSmyler]

Best change my mind yet! Keep it up scuba Steve

[@benjamincarnes9117]

Racist or not. Allowing people based on they’re race over they’re abilities is setting someone up to fail because in most cases they will or be able to step up to the higher education level.

[@thekma3476]

MLK: I have a dream, that one day people will be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin. Affirmative action: nah fam

[@andreagettman]

I work along individuals who make $70-$90,000/year with a high school diploma installing casework (cabinets, doors, walls). Trade jobs are in high demand and low supply. That is where the money is these days. How do you become an installer? Get in contact with an owner near you who installs casework. Ask to become an apprentice. After a few months to a year they will hire you on (if you are capable) and wha-la.

[@chumforty533]

UOIAUAI and Asians mostly Asians but I see your point but it’s more racist to asians than whites but still racist to whites but mostly asians

[@hannahperrone8097]

"You have to have a masters to get a minimum wage job" Dude I'm in high school and I have a minimum wage job

[@jessereading8973]

Hannah Perrone I never had a manager with a masters degree😂

[@staticdots]

He was exaggerating

[@johnadams7843]

He/she is talking about all the lesbian dance theory majors

[@jessereading8973]

Bruh Moment Guy just a little bit

[@berniekatzroy]

@@johnadams7843 its called lesbian pole dancing

[@Lonesome__Dove]

I watched these 2 episodes of affirmative action when they first aired. Coming back to watch again because i love it so much. We need people to watch this today!

[@ballsdeepp6506]

That first kid was clueless and prime example of how gen z argue with their emotions and feelings rather then actual logic and factual information (then still think their right even after being proved wrong ) 😂

[@owenmacpherson5311]

bro are you serious. that guy sat down, had a respectful conversation, took in the new info and reconsidered. however youre name is ballsdeepp, so either youre gen z too, or just immiture. both of which would explain this comment.

[@AdamLovesHorror]

I thought the same thing and the third person considered themselves educated and they clearly were in comparison to the first, but not seeing how it's considered racism is sad at a place of learning and where thinking outside the box is promoted.

[@LanzyLou]

It's WAY WORSE today, in 2023.

[@grantsch1861]

@@owenmacpherson5311 agreed.

[@anthonycolinSbcc]

haha this dumb liberal and his libtard mind am I right hahahaah. man shut yo ass up lmao

[@ALEJANDROGONZALEZ-hc6dy]

Affirmative Action is basically a polite way of saying that minorities are so inferior they need extra help and privileges to be successful. It's actually quite insulting if you think about it.

[@squirrelkillerxd7325]

No not at all that analogy is dumb asf

[@ALEJANDROGONZALEZ-hc6dy]

@@squirrelkillerxd7325 It obviously went over your head if you don't understand it.

[@Bigsky1991]

Insulting, but, policy. And we as a Society pay for it daily. (Just go to your local DMV....watch the "fruits" of diversity hiring in action)

[@sinatra5706]

@@squirrelkillerxd7325 That’s actually the most accurate lame mans term of affirmative action I’ve seen

[@sinatra5706]

@David Lee Yeah it just feels condescending to minorities in college because they feel as if they didn’t earn their spot in top schools

[@angelmiller3331]

Why is no one asking or answering the obvious question: "So, if these Affirmative Action kids are given passes and allowed to score lower, and have lower expectations to graduate/pass the bar/boards, etc.-would you want them to be your attorney, doctor, or engineer?"

[@roncerajan]

yes because the judge and jury will go easier on them due to their upbringing. duh!

[@r.m5883]

Haha YES!

[@everythinghillbilly2928]

Even if I do use their services it's always in the back of my mind that they got there and not deserving. It.

[@SilverFilly15]

everything hillbilly 2 and that’s the sad thing: what if they actually got there on their own merit? Because of affirmative action people will always wonder. That’s not fair to the person who worked hard to get where they are.

[@neweden2359]

So let me guess, you rather trust a doctor that got there through daddy’s money instead of actually working hard for it

[@williamstoltz3564]

This professor is an absolute inspiration all odds were against him yet through pure determination became incredibly successful and he had one of the best conversations with Steven on this channel

[@pattypouliot7272]

I just found this channel and I love these, change my mind videos

[@LouisJoshua]

She wore a t-shirt about winning some debate competition but couldn’t debate for her life.

[@sanjacobs6261]

Probably couldn't even explain syllogism. Watching that was like torture for the left brain.

[@Siris4200244]

Affirmative action got her that shirt.

[@jkephart4624]

Probably debated a cisgender white female who had to spell harder words because of "muh racism"

[@iskrakranj3]

I kinda concluded she was wearing it for the red star aesthetics more than anything, which would make sense considering the classist worldview.

[@notsafeforchurch]

Good eye!

[@Frankh747]

"Interment camps are nothing like slavery." Tell that to someone stuck in a work camp in China and see what they think.

[@nickpheonixify]

well, he is correct in a way but the problem is it's not the way he thinks. salve owners normally wouldn't work their slaves to death or murder them as it would be a loss of property and money however indentured servents that you only own for a small period of time and work camps servants did not have this protection and were often worked to death near the end of their sentence. so which is worse a LIVING a lifetime of being owned or being worked so hard you might die over 3-5 years and being free IF you survive?

[@Zulanderr]

lol "they didnt have it THAT bad, come on" ...... priceless.

[@gutsyt123]

They tell you it’s great and fun because they don’t want to be disappeared.

[@Zulanderr]

Jussi West morally should we have done it? No Practically did we have to do it ? Yes

[@jackieblue9536]

Or those fun ,fun North Korean camps where 3 generatians just disappear...

[@WOKEISAJOKE7500]

Just started watching your show, God bless, love what your doing , fighting for clear rationale discussion. Our founding fathers of this great country would be proud , exercising the freedom of speech and debate in a calm unthreatening manner. Good stuff.

[@metal-adjacent]

I love this Rafael(Not sure on the spelling) fella. Amazing attitude and his curiosity is infectious. This is what a good conversation looks like. Learning from each other.

[@AndreaRestivo]

I think this is one of my most enjoyable conversations you’ve had. I really love your platform and having the opportunity to hear both sides. Of course, both sides when they are willing to have the conversation without being emotionally invested but more conversationally invested. But this guy really was the best 🩵

[@Alex-ms8mb]

that first kid was literally clay, hope he starts thinking for himself soon

[@charbladex]

6:15 "There was a whole article about how the school is targeting black american's by their test score" 'how so?' "uhh, I'm not actually familiar (I just kinda read the headline and am now perpetuating/white knighting it without fact checking or understanding what I'm perpetuating at all)" BRUH WHAT HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY SAY THAT OUT LOUD.. this kid is a parrot, just repeats what he's told, white man bad, black man need white man help.

[@SchuylerPickren]

INDOCTRINATION

[@TheGreenpig1]

luthervaughn1 ok boomer

[@Adrian101882]

luthervaughn1 plottwist: he has a massive “2316” inked on his stomach and a pair of lightning bolts on his delts, and he did this whole thing with Steven because he knew his PO would be watching

[@JimWisecrack94]

'Literally clay'.. Quality xD

[@Spardeous]

"You have to have something like a master's degree to get even a minimum wage job today" Good god, has this dude ever worked a day in his life?

[@waluigi5759]

Adamaxis I guess he does not have his Master’s yet 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@soldierdrumchannel5710]

Momo Du Blok hahaahhaa

[@cujows1844]

Year or two of training can get you an excellent job in the trades.

[@docgiggs]

If your degree is in Diversity Gender Studies or something along those lines.. you need a Masters to get a minimum wage job :) So he isn't wrong if applied in that way.

[@ajsap8160]

He’s at a university, so probably not.

[@AshleyTDaylee]

❤ great discussion 3yrs ago but really brought an insight on lots of issues that people would never know unless hungry for info and listened ... grateful for all the people that sat and had the discussion and this video... Thanks it shows real without noise or heated ...❤❤❤ and different views but can still hear and understand one another and that's really how you get threw.. my dad pushed me I got that and did good as a child I was an over achiever then moved with mom and so yes agree cause I lost that push I needed and the rest is personal but yes I see how all correlated

[@johanpretorius5614]

Only halfway through, but both of the first discussions have been great!

[@TheFGN8]

“ I don’t think it’s about being fair “ Oh boy

[@BigBossIvan]

I was just about to comment that. Self hatred and forced mandated racism blasted out of that boys mouth in the first minute.

[@hineni53]

Ketch7 this kid is a moron.

[@fordyce94]

You tell me where true fairness is. Is it truly fair if everyone needs a 1250 to get into Harvard? Surely for poor Americans who grew up having to work part time from the age of 13 it would be more challenging to get a 1250 on SAT's. Or should there be some kind of courtesy given to those who were very underprivileged but who still worked just as hard (or harder) but just didn't have the same chance as their rich test-score-equivalent. Tell me what's more fair.

[@aweffs]

Greg Fordyce seems hard to determine who should be able to get the lower scores and still pass - seems like it’s way to subjective on who had it “rough”. A rich kid May have been abused growing up and have a rough time in school / maybe they were bullied... seems too hard to judge those things therefore a blind test score seems like the way to go.

[@fordyce94]

@@aweffs sure but it shouldn't be based on just how many dollars are in your dad's bank account, I'm sure it's possible to come up with a system. However, it seems right now it's based purely on race. If it were based purely on economical class rather than race alone do you think that would at least be better?

[@quoang]

Her: "They tend to graduate more" Steven: "You just activated my trap card"

[@dukesayter8375]

Got em!

[@chrischris1688]

Love it😂

[@bmlsb]

where in video ?

[@quoang]

@@bmlsb 57:25

[@DC-nw3uc]

It's because the left's definition of racism is anything that makes a person of color mildly uncomfortable.

[@markflakezCG]

Loved this episode. Thanks!

[@jaredstrandBazooka]

Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than tolerance and respect for your fellow man.

[@napoleonblownapart8155]

"We expect less from you because we think you're stupid." Affirmative action

[@strippedsweater]

Napoleon Blownapart :O

[@Schopenhauerstrasse]

Does that quote also apply to whites who received affirmative action for the whole history of the United States?

[@beaumontmiller5243]

@@Schopenhauerstrasse wdym? Not saying that ur wrong, just want to unserstand ur point

[@Schopenhauerstrasse]

@@beaumontmiller5243 Well, by that, I mean the whole country was founded upon whites, class and gender aside for the moment, as the priority. This is, amongst other things, in terms of laws and access to land. Most blacks were legally in bondage to a degree until the 1960s (and currently as well if we are to consider institutional racism, which we should), and Native Americans had been largely dispossessed. Hence, this country being built and administered in favor of white people. White preferential treatment >> White affirmative action. Hope that helps.

[@beaumontmiller5243]

@@Schopenhauerstrasse I agree with most of what you said, systemic racism today is a touchy topic and one to be debated, and I'm not going to deny the fact that it is probably harder for a lot of African Americans than it is for White Americans to get into college, however I dont think it is entirely based upon race. I would argue that economic class differences would make a lot bigger difference than if one person is born black or if one person is born white. For example I think it would be a lot easier for a black person born in a rich family to make it into college (especially with affirmative action now in place) than it would be for a white person born into a poor family, and vice versa. Of course most African American families arent rich and a lot live in poverty. I dont think that affirmative action is the right way to help those that have a harder time making it to college because it creates a whole lot of other problems in the process. I think we can create systems or or companies that help these individuals that live in poverty, whether it be financially or academically, but i repeat affirmative action is not the way to solve this

[@AKwildernessfarm]

He lost her with “nuclear family”. Her face went: “What the Fukushima?”

[@danman9847]

Lol

[@TOAOM123]

Nani?!

[@philliphayden2727]

I'm not there yet, but 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@Jaythack]

Lol

[@yourconscience456]

Lmao

[@cherylhinneburg8963]

When Stephen starts sipping quickly you're about to get it.

[@milesmatheson1142]

"Slavery is worse than internment camps... More people came out of internment camps than went in" So that would mean that there was, at least, an entire generation of Asian Americans born in internment camps... How is that not as bad as slavery?

[@davidleonclegg]

Steven: *reads dictionary definition* Her: No. I FEEL...

[@Bopperann]

Her: Like like like just like like

[@johnforsy4959]

If you look at the definition he used in the “thanksgiving isn’t racist” video, he used the first google definition that is prejudiced or discrimination based upon the idea that one’s race is superior to another. Or something like that. In this video he decides to show a definition of racism that excludes the racial superiority part, even though in the last the idea that “thanksgiving doesn’t enforce the idea that one race is superior to another” was one of his main talking parts. He excludes the part of the definition that says “one race is superior to another” because he knows that affirmative action doesn’t enforce that idea either. So just like thanksgiving, affirmative action isn’t racist because affirmative action isn’t based upon the idea of racial superiority. But Steven crowder changes the definition for what I can only assume is for the sake of his argument. This is my problem with these videos by him. He’s got a binder full of facts and definitions that he can pick and choose from to support his argument, but the other person has nothing, except their own previous knowledge, which they can get from a different source than Steven crowder, but since they don’t have the evidence on paper and he does, their source and knowledge can be denied and invalidated in the argument.

[@bansheezs]

@@johnforsy4959 Whats wrong with using the first definition?

[@johnforsy4959]

bansheezs nothing is wrong with using either definition. The problem is where he changes definitions to prove two different points. He shouldn’t be able to use one definition for one video to prove one point, and then when his first definition can’t support his second argument, he decides to change the definition for the sake of the argument. His fans and subscribers should be holding him accountable.

[@jeremywallace4455]

@@johnforsy4959 There are multiple ways to be racist. He was just giving the relevant definition. He didn't change the definitions.

[@RiiSchob]

"You have to have a masters degree to have a minimum wage job...." He really said that..

[@what-gr1lt]

Probably majored in gender studies

[@sarge0351]

Hey now....I majored in Hip Hop, graduated last year and I am working for minimum at Krogers.

[@sarge0351]

I bet many of these kids hear this so that they collectively think they have to stay at the university and get a masters or better yet a doctorate...the college smiles and goes "CHA-CHING"

[@OmegaGamingNetwork]

Sadly that wasn't even the dumbest thing he said.

[@anthonyHUGZ]

Ik i was like "wtf" 😂 my girlfriends brother dropped out of the 10th grade, does commercial scalloping, and makes atleast 5k every week and a half.

[@robertoseveno]

Would love to see professor with wizard beard Part II . "You've given me a lot to think about" is one of the greatest compliments.

[@allennolden8735]

I had a black male teacher whom used to harrass me non stop. Later he came to the shop where I was a lead technician. We instantly recognized each other. Then he said, I always knew you would excel. He was getting on me as a kid because he saw more in me. I did however informed him I had a learning disability. He apologized for not seeing that. I told him it was ok because he believed in me.

[@sanjacobs6261]

Steven has hair on top, the professor on the bottom. Steven has black hair, the professor has white hair. Steven is white, the professor is black. Steven wore red, the professor wore blue. It's like the professor met his evil twin

[@hits509]

And yet they seem to have the exact same body build

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

Bizzaro professor

[@gingerale2131]

Red isn’t the opposite of blue

[@MadisonGlenn]

but rafael’s favorite color is red so idk what to think

[@danielkinn782]

Doppelganger

[@eaglebearer]

That hip hop professor was so polite. Such a good discussion

[@NicolonCancer]

Eagle Bearer I think he sat down with an open mind and that honestly makes all the difference in how these discussions go. He did admit he had preconceived notions about what route the conversation was going to take...he seems like a pretty down to earth guy. Wish more people like that sat down. Tina in the other video was good too. This topic created lots of good exchanges

[@thomasoleson2651]

UNCLE TOM!!!!!!!!! lol... jk.

[@spector969]

He also looked just like Papa Smurf so that's a bonus. xD

[@eaglebearer]

@@spector969 I knew I recognized him from somewhere, thank you.

[@chemusvandergeek1209]

That's because he was actually willing to listen, and his mom was able to give him real discipline.

[@miketruck3000]

I really enjoy the conversation with the professor. You definitely changed my mind about affirmative action.

[@badgerspeaks]

this is the best one so far! Hats off to the Professor of Hip Hop!

[@Aaroncarter95]

"I don't think Affirmative Action is racist." "Really?" "Yes. It just helps those poor or less likely to get into college. It levels the playing field. It helps those less privileged and those who normally wouldn't be able to get into these schools." "Whose less privileged?" "Blacks and Hispanics." Well that sounds like racism with more steps.

[@lisaedwards1359]

as bernie sanders said "white people don't know what it's like to be poor". someone better go tell all those impoverished white people in the country that they don't exist.

[@plasmaismehname1834]

Lisa Edwards dude he is talking about the majority. Of course there will be outliers. The majority of hispanics and blacks are at a disadvantage compared to whites.

[@LaffeeTaffeeGG]

What annoys me is how brainwashed the Left is on the things they believe in. They get stuck on generalizations. - Affirmative action is bad. - No it's not! It helps minorities because they don't have as many opportunities as white people! - But minorities have more opportunities to succeed now more than white people. - Exactly! Because they need them! - If they have more opportunities now than white people then why do they still need those opportunities? - Because they don't have as many opportunities as white people! - So minorities now have more opportunities to succeed than white people because minorities don't have as many opportunities to succeed as white people? - Yes! Wait...

[@definitelybugsy713]

Aaron Carter when in the video?

[@northnova1358]

Aaron CarterWell la de da Someone’s getting laid in college

[@mindfullsilence]

First kid the whole time leaning back like “oh shit, what have I gotten myself into”

[@OprahsKankles]

The next one should be “Any race can be racist change my mind”. I just heard someone at work say black ppl can’t be racist. 😂😂😂

[@EscapeFromCrazytown]

He had no clue.

[@Stfufag]

Fax

[@loungekiller]

He was a polite bloke though and didn't try to bitch out of it. I think you shouldn't put people like him down. He's young and perhaps wasn't even presented a different opinion or was involved in such a conversation.

[@mindfullsilence]

@@loungekiller wasn’t putting him down. Just making an observation. I agree, he was polite.

[@loverules5118]

Students are taking loans to learn to dance to hip hop? PERFECT

[@x340x]

yes, because thats the only class on that school i guess

[@SudoFragz]

Wow the second talk was awesome, he sounds like such a chill guy.

[@_Morph1ne_]

“Interment camps are nothing like slavery” Kim jong un: “laughs in communist”

[@MACSX7]

Such a subjective statement😒 like he knows for sure🤥

[@marcetienne7578]

@EPLURiBusUNUM that's subjective.

[@XxnatrocksxX]

@EPLURiBusUNUM Id argue that bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki with 2 nukes was more damaging than slavery.

[@papacroc7387]

@@XxnatrocksxX Id argue that literally everyone including white people have suffered at some point in human history. Can we all please just agree with that? If we find common ground with that we might actually thrive as a whole race.

[@killa_kyle8580]

@@papacroc7387 exactly, we don't want to play the victim Olympics. Doesn't do any good.

[@treyk-4791]

“You pretty much need a Master’s degree to get a minimum wage job” - This kid is brainwashed

[@PARINNetwork]

Nah he’s just stupid

[@chillingcat5033]

He's right man, I only got my part-time job at Burger King because I completed my Master's in Philology. Interview was very difficult and I couldn't have nailed it if 6 years of college did not prepare me for it.

[@davidthomas4325]

What that truly means is that a useless degree is just that.

[@Sincity89103]

Jew ! I make over 60,000 a year and when I’m out of my trade school I will make over 90,000 a year with no college degree just a lot of hard work

[@totallegitness4848]

@@Sincity89103 hard work is what alot of people are missing no one wants to work for anything

[@Spaniard1375]

the conversation Crowder had with that Professor was friken phenomenal!!

[@trevmattson3780]

First time watching Steven Crowder. I'm always impressed by someone these days that can be this respectful while having difficult conversations. Which I guess just highlights how bad the world has become that when someone acts appropriately its stands out as something so impressive

[@pedrorltrooper3964]

Yeah it is pretty sad that calm conversations and discussions aren't common

[@rajchopra7348]

Great thought. It’s so rare to see such civilized conversations on these controversial issues nowadays and honestly it’s a shame. Things seem to be getting progressively worse but these types of interactions give some hope.

[@purplevr8727]

Let’s be real, that hip hop professor was pretty cool

[@regularfather4708]

I would take his class... I'd fail completely and totally, but I can chill with this guy.

[@somegeekguy]

He gave off good vibes.

[@popularopinion1]

I'd invite him to my D&D table

[@abeeftec]

Why can't societee look at it like if the criteria is the same and black people aren't making it in something needs to happen at the ground level were black people are educated.? Why do we have to give them a hand up at the upper level and mess society up when we could give them a hand up from the bottom level so that they can get there on their own merits?

[@abeeftec]

We need to stop trying to cover up the problem and admit people who aren't smart enough and help black communities at the lower level. Seems leftists would like to keep black people stupid just make them think they're getting ahead

[@N20Joe]

The professor was definitely the best. You could tell he was actually there to discuss and learn.

[@deweyc9512]

I wouldent say learn but grow. I think he gave crowder a run for his money, their conversation was amazing.

[@lakersfansince1991]

He's not as articulate as Crowder but he is intriguing to listen to

[@BlotandBlend]

Love the professor. He’s the model of civil rational discussion. He (and Crowder) truly listens.

[@LionheartBeatz]

The conversation with Raphael was very very good. Glad to see normal, reasonable people who are able to talk with each other, not against each other :)

[@normallynimamaamwalkstrong9383]

The first guy: "It's about being fair but its not exactly about being fair" Me: Ok, son. Time for you to go now.

[@xrstevenson]

Logic: "right, imma head out"

[@sioux4ever220]

I love when people say that, “ because I FEEL LIKE”

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

I'd make that hate speech.

[@tucancap]

Love is also a feeling. Joke's on you.

[@countdublevay7327]

@@tucancap are you certain he didnt mean "love" literally?

[@tucancap]

@@countdublevay7327 No I think it's sarcastic, but are you certain that they don't mean "I feel like" literally?

[@countdublevay7327]

@@tucancap isnt it true that how someone feeeels CANT be measured in a literal way? A nurse may ask you, on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad you feeeeel. Then, a nurse may take your tempature. One of these readings is a subjective one or not literal. One is objective and can be taken literal. ill help you : The one that has the word "feel" in it is not meant literally.

[@bellymanboy5775]

This is how people who can disagree can argue so cool to see the people who talked to SC

[@kinglouie7425]

Would love for this teacher to come back. This is such a great prospective.

[@samuelbakken4623]

Ale: 'I can't really answer a yes or no question because you can't really like explain what you mean by like yes and no.' ...what?

[@EH-LOWK]

Reminded me if Bill Clinton "That depends on what the definition of is, is."

[@ImAManMann]

This is what all ideology no facts in a brain sounds like.

[@grimtrix]

I dont know where she got that shirt from...

[@DaveSuperDaveLyon]

She's like, the best that today's like universities have to like offer.

[@Tom-sc2vu]

@@grimtrix she looked cold and the captain of the debate team felt bad for her and gave it off their back.

[@DefinitelyNotDomS]

His beard and maturity suggest that he's an older man but his skin complexion and body figure suggest he's hardly 30

[@deddrunc5591]

Black don't crack

[@twentyfivetolife7976]

ded drunc unless it smokes crack

[@nordicsilver9675]

His beard is grey are you dumb

[@somedude8807]

Yea but his tache is black. So probably not as mature as you’d think...?

[@nordicsilver9675]

Your all wanks i bet the dude us 46

[@michelledesmarais9001]

Awe Ben was adorable ❤Crowder is such a great orator. Really enjoy the discourse 👍