[ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S10 Ro.16 Day3

[@tohron675]

"He underestimated Flash, and he lost." Add that to the list of phrases we didn't expect to hear in 2020.

[@Wheatsolo]

I was just staring blankly at my monitor. That's what I do 24/7!

[@danielcalvo1337]

The games were absolutely insane, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.

[@jordanackermann468]

I didnt think it was possible this group's games could be better than last group's. I was wrong. This was insane.

[@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard]

Completamente, Daniel. Broodwar is THAT good.

[@iusgaming]

Match 1 31:46 Match 2 49:10 Winners' set 1 1:23:00 Winners' set 2 1:38:00 Winners' set 3 1:51:00 Losers' set 1 2:04:30 Losers' set 2 2:28:30 Losers' set 3 2:42:40 Final set 1 3:11:55 Final set 2 3:28:00 Final set 3 3:39:30

[@goiflin5056]

shoutouts to you man, spoiler free time stamps for sets are the best. Thanks a ton!

[@wesleygilliland4885]

Total time 4:20:00

[@sTrouk007]

Thank you

[@calvinmills4069]

@@wesleygilliland4885 best speed run category. 10/10

[@YayaBunWa]

@@wesleygilliland4885 Doing God’s work xP

[@nostalgia6669]

Best protoss vs protoss i've watched in my entire life.

[@ethansaltmere]

The last game is literally the greatest comeback game I’ve ever seen in asl. Absolute insanity.

[@utarian7]

Credit to both players. They played their hearts out.

[@azorthegreat2112]

Maby jangbi vs zero (I think) comeback was even better (the time last time jangbi won.

[@crumblecataclysm5607]

He won like 3 fights down 30 supply and tech on mostly open ground. That is unthinkable.

[@st3ppenwolf]

Those reavers pay themselves 10 times over

[@mumblecake251]

Who else has come here just to see Flash play random? :D

[@brianschermerhorn7294]

skipping everything else

[@mumblecake251]

@Ginnungagap for the challenge. He suffered with a lack of motivation. This had given him a new goal to work towards: winning with random

[@mumblecake251]

@Ginnungagap Why would that be? It's much harder to play random at the same level as a single race. Rather than knowing three match-ups inside-out you have to master 9 match ups. There are just not enough hours in the day to become as good as someone who dedicates all their time to one race. No one's ever been suggesting that Flash got an unfair advantage, in the contrary everyone agreed that he was heavily handicapping himself. Yes, he does have the advantage that not knowing what Flash is playing means that the opponent can't use certain build orders as they might get blind countered by the wrong race but beyond that Flash is at a serious disadvantage. Being not allowed to select the race based on opponent and map I agree with which is indeed banned, not being allowed to chose random? I really don't see why that should be a thing.

[@mumblecake251]

@Ginnungagap the reason why it's incredibly rare is because you are only going to be 1/3 as good as the competition because you only get 1/3 of practice time with each race. That all information should be known at the start of the game is your personal opinion. Nowhere in the game is this being made a thing. SC also isn't chess. In chess all information is available to both parties at all times. RTS have fog of war in particular to make things hidden and to force constant scouting. I think all in all we can agree to disagree

[@tomasgogashvily5350]

:D

[@somato2688]

There was like a 1% chance that Snow could come back and win those fights. It was enough for him. You'll never see a win like this.

[@GrandBenja]

Yeah. Free will be kicking himself over that game.

[@kevincarrigan2798]

Man this was a solid night of starcraft. I love how it continues to show how important skill is in this game.

[@JerseySlayer]

I was so damn mad Snow was going to be out, he's my fav toss to watch. unreal

[@kevincarrigan2798]

@@JerseySlayer yeah for real. But the end result made me so much more excited to see snow and flash in the ro8 now

[@yeon723]

@@GrandBenja too many damn zealots, why not goon....

[@magustx]

Flash is truly inspirational. Ever since he won Bacchus OSL at age 15

[@AleksandarProkopec]

When Snow was a kid, he didn't have a dog - he had a pet reaver.

[@TheTrooperMB]

And he threw the observer on the wall all the time thinking it was useless Xd (2019 final flashbacks)

[@usmh]

"Snow!! You can't blow up your class mates just because they tease you! They have feelings too, you know."

[@obstinatejack]

I watched the game yesterday, and I just now understood how snow was able to come out with so many more archons in the last game. Snow took the extra gas in the base while Free seemingly forgot to, and that’s why even though Free always seemed to have a better economy, his unit composition just wasn’t as good. All those zealots in the big maxed battle got owned by those extra archons from Snow’s side. Really epic battle

[@karlhans6678]

2020 and we're still getting epic Starcraft pro games.

[@jackal327]

That last game showed why SC1 is so much better to watch then SC2. That type of game (with the turn arounds) would be impossible to have in sc2 due to the mechanics of each game.

[@MondSemmel]

It was a great game, but I do think there's ample potential for turnarounds in SC2, as well. In particular, often one player does crippling economic damage but goes down in army supply, which gives their opponent a timing window to win with their army advantage before they get buried due to the resource advantage. I do agree that the fights are often much more watchable and comprehensible in SC1, though.

[@panner11]

@@MondSemmel There are also disruptors which are pretty much pseudo-reavers that do turn around games quite dramatically when the money shots land.

[@jackadam9348]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXnOq6RqlKyjbrc game one, 40 minutes back and forth. I was in the camp of broodwar> sc2, but it's different now. I would say both of them are distinct depends on what you are looking for.

[@TeamWnKaTchO]

totally agree with your statement. And SC2 players do not show much emotion these days especially when they play zerg and they know they've already won the tournament before it even starts.

[@SCDJMU]

its simply a superior game in every way

[@Daren_PNW]

At this point, I don't mind if Flash is simply able to just continue providing us entertaining games, regardless of wins/losses.

[@じょせふ-v2z]

Artosis asking if something is normal in PvZ and tasteless replying with "oh yea man for sure you can do it" reminds me of steamed hams every time

[@american-professor]

idk what it is, but I certainly heard that phrase somewhere. In a movie or something. One dude comes up with a crazy idea, and the other guy is like "oh yeah, you can do that". And then the first guy keeps getting hyped up and coming up with more unrealistic ideas and the second guy "certainly, you can do that". Damn, I can't remember where it is from.

[@T0pel]

Best day of all ASLs! I was so excited about Flash and the last PvP was out of this world.

[@JohanIsraelsson]

I love this game so much. Thank you to all involved in the ASL.

[@Pinnucle]

Free’s face after the scout was worth tuning in alone! Awesome games today

[@olivierslupik9353]

Waking up at 6oclock after sleeping only 5 hours, grab my cellphone, slowing waking up with the voices of Tastosis and watching Flash, open my window, start my coffee, strong way to start my day! When he picked protoss vs snow first game I was like oh nooo.....then omg Snow not seeing his hidden expos. Next game : NOT PROTOSS AGAIN... then what a comeback. My favorite player of all time

[@kevincarrigan2798]

Lmao i did almost the same thing. I'm in Nevada so I hit the bed at 9pm to wake up at 230am. Totally fckin worth it. The games kept getting better and better

[@olivierslupik9353]

@@kevincarrigan2798 2:30 am?! Thats epic man! I'm in Québec :)

[@abstractdaddy1384]

Loving ASL as usual. Thanks Afreeca!

[@Bleak13]

Feel for Free, great to see him getting back in form.

[@bakaraymoo7389]

How is brood war actually getting better? These games are fucking great. I used to skip certain matchups but not the last few years. Thanks everyone at afreeca!

[@saintsintosea]

Last two groups have been incredible, can't wait for group D, thanks AfreecaTV!

[@fredhurst2528]

Fell asleep after winners match, then watched that fantastic finale just now, that last game was epic.

[@repHAWAIIxJPN]

Lol same , was like alright Flash moves on then knocked out

[@sursurrus]

***SPOILER**** Flash's face after the failed first attack looked like he knew he'd lost. I have even more respect for him (if that's possible) for plugging away for the win. Casters IMO underestimate Flash's extreme amount of experience and knowledge of the game, even if his P and Z micro may be behind the best players in the world who play those races. He's the GOAT because he understands the game best, and that skill translates to any race he plays. Considering he SCV blocked Rain's goons to beat him in a previous ASL, I think he understands how goons move and path just as well as any Protoss out there. I think Flash vs Snow might be Flash's greatest series of all time...akin to winning a duel while fighting left-handed

[@edellemicae08]

Snow; best pvp on the world Flash; hold on!

[@naczelnypsycholog6296]

those casters usually overhyped players - and you see them later getting rekt - bisu, light today hero

[@utarian7]

Flash gambled first game and lucked out. Second game Snow fucked up by late 3rd cannon, and then goon positioning. Credit to Flash still for good control. I think Snow showed the most strength and resolve to be able to come back after those demoralising losses to flash, especially in the last game. Snow's last game should explain why Flash hinged winning vs Snow on a gamble as opposed to going toe to toe.

[@utarian7]

@@naczelnypsycholog6296 LOL those three players are top tier. Not overhyped. Anything can happen in ASL.

[@CanariasCanariass]

@@naczelnypsycholog6296 I agree, they tend to overhype Snow tbh. He played really good but Free fucked up, his unit composition was horrible. 80% zealots, wtf.

[@Aaezil]

@@naczelnypsycholog6296 You can be among the best in the world at a race and still drop a game or two, doesn't mean its bad casters

[@Ryu-hy8bt]

Who else is just vibing to the intro music lol

[@goldrobber]

StarCraft is the best esport ever. You just can’t beat the excitement in these games

[@Odinoian]

UNBELIEVABLE GAMES! The final game I felt like Free was going to win for 25 minutes, then back and forth the last 5... What a jaw-dropping wrestle! 🤯🤯🤯

[@taylorjensen2787]

Dude. How Flash did Snow like that with his own race has to be the greatest ASL moment of all time...

[@radiancesucks]

I want to cry over how beautiful this game is

[@empty5013]

god flash playing random is the most hype thing its been so long since i've been excited to see matches, this literally changes everything and i love it

[@brictit]

Thank you Tasteless for translating.

[@neodrone1]

The patience you need to remain in a game like (snow vs free game 3) that and not gg.... unbelievable!

[@estel5335]

Man! Those Storms of Snow in the 2nd game...one could say they were 'Snowstorms'.

[@IIIApEXoFZiLcHxIII]

Ron one “could” but... 😂

[@imma5269]

Spoiler: I didn’t actually think snow was too far ahead in game 2 against FlaSh even after he defended the initial goon/reaver pressure. He lost so many probes and had so much econ disruption from fighting with his probes that his 2 base economy never fully kicked in. Flash maintained a pretty solid army supply advantage after the initial skirmishes. Sure if snow was positioned properly he would have been much more likely to withstand the attack, but it was still far from guaranteed. Flash had a ton of goons

[@CanariasCanariass]

I agree with you. I felt the same. Many probes were killed and Flash had superior army size.

[@Sanelicv]

Same here. He lost way too many probes. That second Nexus didn't pay off at all. I've seen 12 Nexus in PvP but after that you make gates at 12 and 14 and pressure with 5 zealots so he can't freely transition to dragoons. He chose to make cannons so Flash could transition to w/e.

[@kevincarrigan2798]

Yeah I feel ya on that. But I think they also try and talk from the perspective of the player during the game sometimes. As in, the fact flash could calculate it and act on it is insane as people like me would assume I'm fcked and do some stupid move.

[@ShjadeNexayre]

That last push from Flash started with 12 dragoons and 2 reavers vs 10 dragoons and a zealot back home, plus cannons - pretty even except for the reavers tipping the balance. There's definitely room for Snow to hold that if he has different positioning on his dragoons. Far from guaranteed, but he could've done better than getting split off from his reinforcement line and subsequently eating scarabs directly in the face with a whole cluster of dragoons. Frankly I think Snow got a little overconfident after holding off the initial push and wrecking Flash's first two reavers so fast, assumed he'd be fine, got punished for taking an exposed position.

[@detrockcity3]

@@ShjadeNexayre right. And as often as we see the momentum completely reverse in PvP after one engagement, no reason Snow couldn't have recovered in that game too with better positioning.

[@sursurrus]

Around 1:07:00: Maybe snow getting +2 ground armor has to do with mutas? Reduce the splash from glaives along with the hydra DPS?

[@faritop]

He gets the armor because he knows the DPS will come of the storms, so attack upgrades not worth it. He needs sustain on the ground for psi storms to do the work. It's not about mutas, but hydras.

[@ltsmx]

can anyone help me with the name of the first song? Shazzam can't recognise it :( googling lyrics don't bring anything up either!

[@dal1371]

WTF Game 2 that Flash won vs Snow.. Just INSANE! Instant classic

[@bvang321]

There were so many epic games this series… I’m speechless!

[@nHautamaki]

ASL owes me about 7 new fingernails, straight up chewed em clean off during this day of games holy crap

[@sinfonia11]

My gf does a good job humoring me when I watch and talk about Broodwar. She ACTUALLY stopped in to watch Flash play random and she was just as jacked as I was

[@IIIApEXoFZiLcHxIII]

Sean-Alex Larrabee girlfriend? Sounds to me like you need to marry that girl ;)

[@sir0herrbatka]

Well, I see that strategic thinking can carry Flash to victory. He still has his decision-making in the arsenal and it is his main asset right now.

[@7thquark309]

When is the last time you saw Flash raising his arms for advancing in ro8 ? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

[@OpiatesAndTits]

It’s why he switched to random. To challenge himself and this isn’t easy for him. He gets that exhilaration back again and can prove himself. TBH it should be inspirational to anyone to see someone so good find new ways to challenge himself

[@muntasser08]

HOLY SH** FLASH

[@Str4vv]

Those games were crazy good. What a day of Starcraft :)

[@disafear3674]

This is my first time watching Tastosis cast SC1 as I usually watch SC2. In SC2, I reckon Artosis is more knowledgeable and Tasteless the funny one but in SC1, I see how knowledgeable Tasteless is

[@zulucharlie9361]

In general, Artosis is the much more knowledgeable one in both games. However, Tasteless plays Protoss, and here we've seen a lot of PvP's, where his knowledge shines through more. I don't want to take anything away from Tasteless, I love them both, but Artosis has much more in-depth knowledge.

[@AlexanderEddy]

Just in case it wasn't already 100 percent settled, this proves it: Flash is the greatest Brood War player ever.

[@zzzKhazarzzz]

**SPOILER*** In the fight at 3:49:33 snow did beat free with 9 goons and 2 reavers with a shuttle while free had 14 goons and 2 reavers with a shuttle . Simply incredible!

[@MoonyD911]

That last PvP has to be one of the best games of all time. I have no idea how the winner came back from behind to win it. Also I have no idea why the loser didn't take their free 3rd gas.

[@aarongross3]

Great game at 3:39:30

[@youtubewatcher5500]

In the last game 4:04:28 Free had 195 supply and Snow had 154 supply. 15 seconds later 4:04:43 Free had 111 supply and Snow had 120 supply. Free lost 84 supply Snow lost 34 (maybe 2 or 4 more because it seems he used some minerals around the end of this battle). This is because Free army was mostly zealots and the problem with zealots is that they are bad against every unit in the game with equal supply when in big numbers ( I experimented with 2 groups of zealots vs every type of terran units at the same supply and zealots lost to every type of unit - they lose to marines , ghost, goliath ect). Same is vs protoss and I would say zerg too. The zealots lose to literaly everithing in the game that can attack them except workers. The use for zealots should be for scecific purpose or timing attacks with tempo(when they are ahead in upgrade and the opponent has not reached next tech) and never as main body of army.

[@Appletank8]

Yeah you only need a small group to tank a few shots. You definitely need a lot of other units to shoot over their heads, otherwise Archon Reaver will just splash them to oblivion.

[@haushkiy]

it's painful to see so many zealots of Free died because of a single scarab at 4:04:35, not to mention they are so badly friendly fired by his own psi storms a few seconds earlier

[@BLooDCoMPleX]

Jesus christ, that last game was the best of that matchup I've ever seen.

[@dbok]

Commenters and flash both expressed that their surprise at the low unit count. There were two supply blocks blue Protoss ran into right as flash was waiting for the double reavers

[@ПетрСеменов-б1т]

Snow has +25 scarab damage upgaded in last game. Wow.

[@sir0herrbatka]

It is actually a pretty good upgrade in PvP but usually PSI storm makes reavers obsolete before you can get your investment back.

[@obstinatejack]

I think it’s the fact that Free seemed to forget getting his second gas in main that’s why he had less archons and that’s how he lost the maxed battle though

[@7thquark309]

That upgrade paid dividends for him. Probably more than shuttle speed would have, but still I don't see why not get both upgrades when you rely so heavily on reavers.

[@sir0herrbatka]

@@7thquark309 Large numbers of HT will make shuttle/reaver combo obsolete and therefore you may not get the benefits of this upgrade at all. This match storm was late and not it in the huge number though so snow made a good call.

[@renatorios7581]

Gracias ASL. Estuvo BRUTAL!!!

[@abadok23]

Flash playing random in ASL - well time for a 4:20:00 long video... Blaze it

[@iwanabana]

Remastered graphics. The team colours are already hard enough to see. Who the heck decided that blue and green are good colours on a blue background?! Baffling. Have fun figuring who's Zealot is whose.

[@Appletank8]

Yeah they’re generally good at turning the colors to red blue if the colors are bad. Dunno why they didn’t here.

[@edellemicae08]

Free facial reaction when he scout it was Terran 😄

[@Hatchumosc1]

Are they wearing the exactly same tie, or is it very slightly different?

[@alexanderbolkovoy241]

ASL really hits totally new level this season!

[@mandarci89]

I play SC2 but this was a lot of fun to watch! wanna give it a try!

[@carlospablovillcalopez2155]

Ese flash es un Dios, vamos carajo flash dale crack

[@michaelrexrode5287]

Anyone know if we can buy ASL merch anywhere? Like their jackets etc? Or even GSL merch lol

[@ghtjdrla]

shop.afreecatv.com/ you can buy asl jackets in here, but seems like tricky cause they accept only korean card and even shipping only korea. and for now they dont sell gsl merch m.en.thesuperplay.com/ they ship to overseas but now they dont have them in stock

[@michaelrexrode5287]

ghtjdrla wow thank you so much! That is tricky but it gives me hope!

[@xYiazmatx]

What was Snow making in his last game against Flash? How did Flash have more dragoons AND two reaver/shuttle with half the bases?

[@madkvideo]

Kudos to Sn0w, god damn man... no words

[@Ryu-hy8bt]

Why so FlaSh sooooooo good

[@JerseySlayer]

If you're watching this right now, *_you'd better watch until the end._*

[@versaleyang]

Jesus, one scarab shot turned the whole game around, what a crazy last game.

[@azorthegreat2112]

Not 1 SEVRAL!!

[@taichen2376]

I've never seen a random in a Starcraft tournament. Does this mean Flash has to commit to Random throughout the entire tournament?

[@Whalery]

Yes

[@Fantax92]

Yes he has to declare his race before tournament starts. It's truly exciting to see him play random

[@DontLookTheShoe1]

being random gives flash the advantage at the early game for sure. wanna see flash in a late game playing zerg/toss.

[@basilman121]

Just realized this says one year ago and not one day ago, but my God, what epic flash games

[@alexdougal8968]

4hr20min video, exactly. Dank

[@Khaldryn]

So glad to see Snow get out of the group...awesome final match there!

[@felixulfur4266]

Good tv right here.

[@berest9154]

what was the name of the song at 7:12 ?

[@Jankofs]

Great job and thanks, Flash is crazy insane

[@superilikeeggsyo]

Don't wanna scroll down too far in case of spoilers. Why is Flash playing Random?

[@ryhzuo]

Because playing Terran is too easy for him

[@Kuddochan]

Just something he wanted to do in an ASL as a personal challenge. We don’t know if it’s a one time thing or not yet

[@colorfullife9036]

@@Kuddochan He mentioned today that it will be the last season as a random player. In the next season, he will play terran again and it might be the last ASL challenge before his military service.

[@CasterArtoria]

@@colorfullife9036 nuuu he change his race to random XD

[@CasterArtoria]

@@colorfullife9036 for good...

[@yerkocastillo3253]

Poor Free, he was very nervous on last match :c

[@HappySpeedling]

long have we waited

[@NumberOneVillain]

Flash really is the best Brood War player of all time and he's about to prove it.

[@Hatchumosc1]

Free had way too many zealots against practically mass archon with reaver.... Free NEVER took that extra gas in his main even after losing his fourth. Very strange way to lose imo...

[@abstractdaddy1384]

I was thinking the same thing. Watching those battles over and over again, I can't help but wonder if it wasn't actually Snow's micro that really made the difference, but just the unit compositions of the 2 armies. Free had too many zealots, period. They were just melted by splash damage.

[@Hatchumosc1]

​@@abstractdaddy1384 Ya, since Snow was down a second gas he took the one in his main, but Free didn't.

[@thonyramos7525]

FLASH ERES EL AMOR DE MI VIDAAAAAAAAAAAAA TE AMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@AleksandarProkopec]

I can't believe that Snow came back in the last game. 3 times in a row.

[@loneranger707]

is this the north Korean boy band tournament??

[@GersonRivera21]

Where can i find one of those ASL jackets!!??

[@CH-fy2yb]

HE IS LEGEND

[@IIIApEXoFZiLcHxIII]

4:20 video length, in honor of flash being baked out of his mind while declaring he was going random this season 😂

[@LachimusPrime]

What a great intro song and look!

[@FeatherP]

Look at how long the vod is

[@xxxx85]

DO NOT READ COMMENTS BEFORE WATCHING THE GAMES, SPOILERS BELOW! TRUST ME, WATCH THE GAMES! Edit: Also is it just me or is Tasteless clearing his throat A LOT these days?

[@fures-fightclub]

what amazing games. Brood war is incredible.

[@Oltavolt]

What? Why are they playing starcraft 1? What happened to sc2? Did I miss something? Does the gsl still exist?

[@3rdworldvictimyouvebeenlie817]

Those matches man, talk about action!

[@xeryues]

awesome games! heartbroken for free. happy for snow. weird feelings

[@antonioangeloviii4748]

snow. while an awesome player. struggled to get through. though that may be due to stronger opponents. queen and larva breezed through the cans.

[@jdubs6959]

I need a production tab!

[@jdubs6959]

And a what’s built tab!

[@quinton1630]

2:15:15 “There’s other actions you must perform this game” is on par with “You must construct additional pylons” lmfao

[@captainkarisma]

3:57:08 how did he win that battle

[@Cyberpansy]

WHAT IS HAPPENING Incredible games. 🙌

[@just.f.around5897]

these games are amazing!