Africa Twin: 5 Reasons to Skip It

After a year or so on the Africa Twin, I found there are just a few reasons why someone might want to think twice before buying one. There are different tools for different jobs and if you are in the market for an AT it might be a good idea to check out these 5 things to see if they work for your riding style.
I might not be right about all of them but I encourage you to leave a comment if you think I nailed a point or totally missed the boat with this list.
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[@freddiebigfoot]

If these are your 5 biggest complaints; That shows how great of a motorcycle this is.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is a really great way to put it because these five things could probably be true to one degree or another with all big ADV bikes.

[@SimonBrisbane]

Or.. how ridiculous and ubiquitous the complaints are.

[@sallhame]

Yes, your complaints goes for ALL big adventure bikes. So why didn't you say that? Makes me think you are not an experienced motorcyclist.

[@bjjw]

Exactly my point.

[@Maxumized]

Being 4’-11”, I can say this bike is the best I’ve ridden so far. If I’m falling on a trail, I have the advantage of jumping off the seat quite far allowing my parachute to open

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is hilarious. I never thought about all the extra time you have in a fall. That does seem like a significant advantage I had never considered. Thank you very much for the enlightenment.

[@beaconegs9413]

😁

[@shafeeryousaph5364]

😀😀😀

[@jessiebassil7887]

Picking it up 12 times in a day... sounds like you’re still learning. I’m 5’7 and absolutely love my AT. Seat adjusts to really low.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I was definitely learning that day. Twelve is probably a little over the top but I will tell you, as the water and food were running out, it certainly felt that way. There are some routes that new riders shouldn't be on and I found myself right in the middle of one. Hopefully, I will be smarter next time but I make no promises. ;-)

[@shivacastelia6468]

@@BeGoneForGood So you made a mistake ....nothing wrong with the bike .

[@GaseousWorm]

I bet you haven't touched a motorcycle in your life

[@maxlutz3674]

@@shivacastelia6468 It´s not about something being wrong with the bike. It´s about whether the bike is right for you and your goals.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Addict - touched, ridden, enjoyed but its a good guess.

[@bernardbuhrs8639]

Got a AT Adv. Sport 2019 manuel, the white grey and black. L.O.V.E. it!!! 🏍🌫😉👍

[@BeGoneForGood]

The white gray and black is super sharp. I have the 17 and love the hell out of my bike. I feel like I am just starting to get to know her after doing my first REAL off-road section this past summer in Utah. Thank you very much for watching and commenting.

[@UriKeshet]

Thanks for the video! I am 5’8” and would argue that height is one reason not to skip the AT. At least in its standard form, the low seat position is unique in its category, and what made it possible for me to ride such a capable bike. At the time it came out it was either this or a KTM made for giants... being able to put both feet on the ground and take a breath off road can be a great relief for beginners

[@BeGoneForGood]

Totally true. The height of the bike can easily be a pro or a con for people depending on what they are looking for in a bike. I really appreciate your added to feedback to the comments here to flesh out the different needs for each rider out there. Bikes are tools for what we try to accomplish as riders. Some tools are good for certain jobs and some are bad but it often depends on who we are as riders and what we want to accomplish in our travels.

[@NoNonsenseKnowHow]

Great info! thanks

[@BeGoneForGood]

Absolutely. I am glad you found something worthwhile in the vid and I appreciate the feedback.

[@sunwong0]

spot on man, very good advices. I had a 2018 AT and those are exactly the 5 things I didn't like.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Did you change bikes or were those things just minor annoyances with an already great bike?

[@sunwong0]

I switched to another bike

[@joeyt6547]

Still gonna get one

[@BeGoneForGood]

As you should. It is a great bike and if you are still interested after knowing the ups and downs, then you will love it.

[@superbikesamurai3101]

Same

[@quesadilla79]

@@BeGoneForGood picking mine up tomorrow, thanx for the thorough breakdown.

[@speedfinder1]

Thanks for posting another interesting video. I'm learning to ride again after 20 years of being away from riding. The Africa Twin is the bike I aspire to own one day. I'm currently riding a Benelli TRK 500cc Adventure motorcycle. It weighs in at 518 lbs without luggage. Picking that up is not easy, but with good technique it is certainly possible without too much of a fight. It has already given me a little practice at the task! The Africa Twin coming from my perspective, is a lighter motorcycle! All of the other points you make are very good and worth consideration. I would say for me, Honda reliability would be my reason to buy one. Everything else is secondary if you are stopped at the side of the road with a dead motorcycle.

[@bigdadgo]

Good points and well explained. I’ve navigated my BMW 1250 adventure through numerous miles of sugar sand and know what you’re talking about!

[@rowanmarriott9459]

Spot on all 5. Waiting for the 850 AT with hope or Kim 390 with spoke wheels.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That new AT looks incredible. I will be curious to see how many of these issues this new bike solves for many. The whole slate of new ADV bikes coming out is really encouraging.

[@robertkollath8929]

Fair enough, nice review, helpful.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you for the watch and feedback. I’m glad it was helpful.

[@scottraines7419]

I appreciate the comments and reasoning you used for your evaluation and they make sense. I've gone from 35 + years of Goldwing riding to riding an AT/AS DCT and, I love it to death! Heavy, yep, it's heavy but, 550# compared to 900# is quite a weight loss to enjoy so, the weight of the AT is quite tolerable to me. Not fast enough? Well, this is a matter of opinion. My last Goldwing, an 1800 was a rocket for its weight. And this AT, is also quite fast enough for this old man. I didn't buy it to drag race other adventure bikes. I'm not in it to impress people, just have fun. Tall? Yep, it's tall. I'm 6'2.5" and a 31or so inch inseam and, I either mount the AT by just tucking a leg under me and over the seat or, if I feel like it, I climb on the foot peg and throw my leg over. But, with the seat adjusted to the low setting, when straight sitting on the bike, straight up and down, my feet are *almost* flat footed. Price? well, I got a brand new 2018 AT/AS DCT for $10,900 and, to me, that was a fair price for a brand new bike. And, at around $7K cheaper than a 2020, it's definitely gonna work for me. If I find I love this bike more and more after a year or two or three, I might be looking for a 2020 that's new and, like my '18, has been sitting on a showroom floor for a while. I like this bike a lot. Nice video SR

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you very much for the feedback. I am a huge fan of this bike for sure but I do realize that it might not work for everyone. The price is only getting better and better as these new models come out. I am super excited to see people being able to pick up more and more of these bikes hit the floor. Thank you again for watching and leaving a comment. It definitely helps to hear others' experiences as well.

[@paulwood7798]

I have been buying and riding bikes for thirty five years and can think of five things on all of them that I improved. The 2020 DCT twin is the first bike I have changed things purely for visual colour coordination and to carry more luggage. Six months an owner loved every second and not missed a beat.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is sort of the whole point. There are goods and bads for every bike. There are things they are best suited for and things they aren’t suited for at all. I love my AT also but I’m well aware that isn’t the best option for everything.

[@makwk]

Your opinion is very truthful. Thank you.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you very much. I am glad you found the video valuable.

[@robburden1841]

Thanks. I felt you gave a fair and honest tutorial.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the feedback and glad you agree with my assessment. It wasn’t easy because I love this bike so much but every positive has a downside as well.

[@freedomrider1014]

I have an NC 750x. Was looking at an upgrade to AT. Glad you posted this before I went and traded. I think I have plenty of bike for the riding I do.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Yeh, there was a point at which I knew I wasn't happy with my current bike so I stepped up to the AT. It might still be a good fit for you but if you are content with what you have, I would say don't risk it.

[@mikichicago1200]

Good points 👍✌ Love my AT 🤙

[@BeGoneForGood]

Ditto, it is an incredible bike. Thank you so much for your feedback.

[@unquienz]

Thanks for your video . The reasons you mentioned are exactly why i would buy the AT except for the weight. That is a concern.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Very true. One man's critique can be another's promotion. I am a big fan of this bike even knowing some of the reasons others may not love the bike.

[@boomerhgt]

Good video subbed and liked I just bought traded my Z1000 in for a 2017 Africa Twin DCT 2 days ago so far I'm loving it...I'm 6ft and 63 it is a huge heavy bike for sure but I'm never going to be off road I don't fancy picking it up...I have trouble with my left hand after surgery so that's why I went for DCT .

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am glad you are riding and enjoying the DCT. It was a few weeks of riding when I first realized that with the DCT you really don't even need a left hand or left foot. There are so many options for future riders and I really appreciate your feedback on this vid.

[@plympytheplumber4605]

For me my AT/DCT is the perfect bike, I love it, off road it’s a blast, I ride single track with it no problem, she is heavy but whatever I’m a big guy so I can handle it, on the road I think it’s pretty brilliant, plenty of power, fun in the twisty’s....great all around and I don’t need two bikes (although there is nothing wrong with owning two bikes)

[@BeGoneForGood]

I have the same issue as I am a one bike guy. I think my wife would lose her mind if I took up even more garage space with a second bike. I have the DCT too and I think it is the perfect bike for the type of riding I do right now. I had a chance to really dig in this past year with some serious off road riding in Utah and the bike was a dream. A heavy dream but a dream nonetheless. I look forward to the trips we have planned next year (TBD) and seeing how much more I can learn about this bike as I continue riding. I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback here.

[@SAAdams]

We keep referring to the bike as "heavy." Heavy compared to what? A dirtbike? A 650? I'm not sure the weight is a legitimate complaint

[@oldtimer3824]

Boo Radley 40 years ago I was racing motocross and riding 125-500 cc dirt bikes. Today, I find my AT top-heavy And not confidence inspiring off road. Perhaps it’s me and not the 550 pounds wet weight. Lol.

[@febuilds]

It’s only +-54kg heavier than small adventure bikes like the ktm 390, I think it has to do with the bikes top heaviness.. the top heaviness with a full tank makes it hard to pick up when you fall on a steep hill but on level ground, its totally chilled

[@samproductos9002]

Thanks, Just 2 weeks ago I sold my africa twin 2017 for those 5 reasons. Now I bought an F 850 GS full equiped. Lighter and with digital display, tire pressure indicator, cruise control, etc, etc. Thanks for your video, now I am sure that what I did is fine. I am Leo from Argentina.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Great to meet you Leo and I am glad the vid was useful for you. I have heard great things about the 850GS. It is a really nice bike and you will have a great ride for a long time.

[@rocnktm]

2020 Africa Twin weighs 505lbs.

[@dannuccio5842]

The africa twin has been my bucket list bike since they came out in 2016, finally was able to buy one a few months ago, found a decent deal on a very clean used 2017. I could not be happier with it. Coming from a suzuki boulevard the AT is so much more comfortable for me. Before it was "hmm 70 mile trip, I think I'll just take my truck" to now "across the state? Let's go" plus being able to explore off road

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is awesome. I had considered a Boulevard oh so long ago before I found the ADV market. I am a huge fan of my AT as well and would gladly join you in that cross-state adventure on this bike. Twin twins as we went.

[@TheChindoboi]

Thanks for the tips!

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you so much for the feedback. It is our pleasure and we hope it was worthwhile for you.

[@zzim2853]

Great to see honest reviews from people that own the actual bike. I too, had and sold the AT because of the weight. Now, if you do not ride back country adventure you will disagree, but with out a doubt a lighter, more manageable bike for that riding is so much nicer. From comfort, safety, picking up alone, water crossings, over a snow section, and just for rider enjoyment. Look, if you like the at off road and swear its the best for you, try a lighter more off road able adventure bike like the 790 or t7. And get ready for the obvious. Far more fun to ride. If you think your good on an AT off road, you'll be alot better on the ktm or T7.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I appreciate the feedback and I just thought it would be good to get some of the reasons out there why people might need to reconsider their choice depending on what they value in a bike. I didn't realize when I first bought the bike but you are completely right if you want to do off-road often this bike is crazy heavy.

[@SimstarzGaming]

love my AT. i had a lot of other different type of bike and the AT is still my dream bike. power: on the road maybe but off road you really don't need that much. weight and height.... well its pretty much in the same range as the competition and the AT have more ground clearance than most adv bike. bell and whistle: well me i didn't want a goldwing, so i didn't need all those accessories, i just bought those that i really needed. i can understand why people wouldn't buy the AT but the AT has is own space in the ADV segment and is the best bang for the buck 1liter adv bike. nice video BTW

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you very much for stopping by and leaving your feedback. I must tell you that I am completely in love with my bike as well. I can't get enough of it even when our weather is dipping below 40 degrees. Yikes!

[@darseyno1520]

Great review. I was wondering if you have heard anything about fuel issues with flaking in the tank.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I have heard about it but I haven’t experienced anything like that. I’m hoping it is just a small, localized issue that gets more attention than usual because of forums and groups circulating the information.

[@IDontWantAHandle101]

Title of video should be " things to think about before buying an AT" I was expecting some sort of actual reasons why not to buy one.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I really appreciate the feedback and I understand your critique. Nice profile pic too by the way. I don't know that there are "real" reasons to not buy any specific bike as they all have their pros and cons. There are simply times when the AT might not be the best fit for certain riders. I wanted to highlight some of those areas just so potential AT owners could have all the info. I hope that clarifies some of my choices a bit. As far as the title, it is a tough balancing act between brief and informative titles. I still feel like the title accurately describes the vid while limiting wordiness. I am glad you watched and left feedback. Thank you.

[@loup207]

I love my 16 AT. Just got it in November with 1600 miles with extras (Dual sport tires). Hit the mud and icy trails. Had no problems. I am a dirt biker so I know how to ride. People think they need all the power. You don't. No spin and be smooth.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is awesome. I have had mine for about 18 months now and every ride is a blast. I am hoping to get much more off-road time next summer but it is a steep learning curve for me since I have ZERO dirt bike experience to pull from. I am okay learning slowly though because even the tough times are pretty fun.

[@bertbirge3617]

Your pretty much spot on with this one. But I'll be keeping my AFRICA Twin

[@stephendodd9360]

Just discovered you on yt, enjoying your work 👍

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thanks a lot. I am glad you are getting something out of it.

[@ianferrier235]

Good advice Bgfg👍👍

[@BeGoneForGood]

We shall see. This sounds like we might be kicking up more dust on this one. I appreciate the feedback and watch.

[@actstuntcam]

As far as adventure bikes go the AT is actually very small and low to the ground (Compared to other literbikes). That is the key reason I got it at 5'10" (178cm) - inseam 32". Agree with the power comments - for me it is underpowered - even compared to an 03 VStrom1000 it feels a bit limp. Hoping a pipe and a tune might help, as well as maybe gearing down. Cheers, Cam from NZ

[@joshbro99k96]

Agree it is tall. I'm 6ft 2 and I still can't get both feet flat. Regarding weight: I rode it to Wales for an off road weekend and did some very messy stuff and everyone else was on something small - it was tough going, but bags of fun. The thing is, I was the only one who could ride their bike 150 miles home in comfort at 100mph - they all had to drive theirs home in the back of a van. It's all compromise. Love the bike.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I agree with you, I love the bike but there is no doubt it is heavy. I can't imagine how tough messy stuff would be but I might get a chance next year when we do MABDR. I also agree about the trade-off for comfort because I have to push enormous amounts of miles to get to anywhere really fun. I ultimately settled on the AT because even though it gets heavy when I drop it off-road, I get so much use out of it outside those times. I wanted to thank you for watching and leaving your feedback. It really means a lot to us to have so many people interested in helping this community with what they know and have experienced.

[@robindornfest3719]

I love my ATS and much prefer it to my old 1200GS. I think you have some valid comments, but honestly I think you guys bit off a little more than you were ready for. It took me years to feel comfortable on a big bike on all sorts of terrain, especially advanced. Once you get comfortable and can relax, it is amazing what you can do on a big bike. Ultimately, I think the ATS is the best bike for me and you just need to figure our what is the best bike for you; don't blame the tool :)

[@BeGoneForGood]

Oh, I certainly wouldn't blame the tool as early as I am in the game. I am well aware that any difficulty I have on this bike is because of me as a rider and not the size or weight of the bike. I am REALLY glad though that I had a chance to at least learn how to ride on a smaller, lighter, slower bike. I can't say that it for sure saved my life but I am confident that I would have made plenty of bad choices if I had AT power when I was starting. My first off-road this past year taught me a lot and I do wish I had done it on a much smaller bike but unfortunately the commute and my budget wouldn't allow it. I would also agree with you, the AT (I don't have the Adventure Sport) is the absolute best bike for me and the type of riding I do routinely. It will be more bike than I am rider for a good long time. Thank you very much for the watch and the feedback.

[@robindornfest3719]

@@BeGoneForGood 👍

[@IAmYourReflection]

Oh definitely. I done the same thing. Bought an AT as my second bike after watching doubtless videos, and wow what a handful

[@oldtimer3824]

Nice neg recap. 2017 AT owner, yes, it’s a top-heavy beast. I bought used, the previous owner added upper-lower crash bars, paneer racks, cases, camel gas tank and it must weigh at least 550 pounds without any gear in the cases. For me, it’s just too heavy for anything more than a dirt road and I’m tall. But damn comfortable getting to that dirt road. I describe the AT as a traveling enduro and I love it.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is a great way to put it and I totally agree. I have done some pretty mean off-road trails with it and if it was lighter or I was better, I think we both would have had much more fun. As it stands, I do not want to drop this thing too often because I can only get so strong before it is just obscene. ;-)

[@beachside180]

Followed a similar bike lineage with the CB500X then 20,000km later went for the ATAS-DCT. Yes its heavy, but I can still lift it, yes its tall but that what I was looking for. Power it has more than I can sensibly use. As Jay Bee says it is not a light weight dual sport, but it is a great all-round tourer that can handle the off road.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I totally agree with your sentiments. There were only a few times on Lockhart Basin that I was lamenting my choice of such a heavy bike but that had a lot more to do with me being unprepared than the bike itself. I love the AT for all the reasons you mentioned because it does everything I want it to do plus so much more I haven't even touched yet. I look forward to plenty more adventures on my bike from here. Thank you so much for stopping by and leaving feedback.

[@Jimbobmoonshiner]

Good review. Agree it’s a bit gutless but a well built bike that does its job.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I kind of love the gutlessness and it does do a great job of everything I need. Thanks for watching.

[@wolffo999]

great video, gas n go reliability is what makes this bike a world beater

[@BeGoneForGood]

I totally agree. I love knowing that the Honda will just go no matter what.

[@andrewsandstrom7694]

Great video! I think some people got defensive because the title makes it sound like the AT is inferior to the KTM, Triumph, BMW. Most of the flaws you pointed out apply to new riders or riders looking to off-road primarily which if that is you then any bike Over 700 is not the bike for you

[@BeGoneForGood]

Andrew, these are very good points you've made. It is true that most of the "issues" I bring up in the video have more to do with big bikes than they do with the AT specifically. Unfortunately, I have only ever been on a couple of bikes so I didn't include the other bikes in this category in the review but I definitely should have mentioned what you stated for clarity. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to leave feedback.

[@bjjw]

Well said.

[@wedged4826]

I am looking at getting a 2019 CB500X, and plan on some longer weekend trip, but mostly local trips here in Utah. I am 6’ 3” 200lbs. I have risen my dads AT, and it just feels too big to maneuver. But I am concerned I am too tall for the CB500X. How tall are you and what are your thoughts?

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am 6'5" and rode the 2015 CB500X for about 16,000 miles throughout the States and Central America. You will feel a difference in the size of the CB and AT but I don't know that I would have ever described myself as scrunched on the CB. I am more comfortable now on the AT but I don't know that it is significant enough reason to solely go for the AT. My biggest reason for stepping up to the AT was the power I received from the CB on the highway. I rode down to Honduras with a KTM 1190 Adventure and couldn't really keep up with him at takeoff or cruising speeds. Once I was comfortable riding I knew I wanted to have a bit more available to me when I turned the throttle. Ultimately, I think if you are more comfortable on the CB500X, then you should definitely stick with the CB because all the AT is going to do is throw more weight and power to you. I know the 19 CB and 15 CB are very different but I added the Rally Raid kit to mine, which added some extra shock capability. I weigh about 185 and tend to overpack quite a bit so maybe at 200, a shock exchange might help your ride as well. I envy you being able to charge out your backdoor in Utah for some really spectacular riding but I think either of those bikes will do you really well. I might start on the CB and if it turns out to not have everything you want, maybe you can change. I bet it takes care of you nicely though. I really appreciate​ you stopping by and leaving a comment. If you need anything else please feel free to reach out to me further. [e-mail]

[@Avensur]

Yes, it's quite heavy but not more than a GS and yet , there is always a technic on how to lift it. Position well and use your legs strength or drift it off downhill if that's the case. AT is my dream bike and I can wait to hit the road with my kids.

[@jeffferguson899]

I am 5'7 and I ride a AT. I bought the optional lower seat and have it in the low position. This combo knocks 2" off the seat height

[@BeGoneForGood]

Yeh, it can definitely be done and the low seat helps for sure. Jocelin Snow rides a HUGE GS and she is barely 5'2" so skill can get you anywhere for sure.

[@jrbass62]

I have a 2014 V Strom 1000, weight is a huge deal for me, picking it up on a incline, leaves, mud sucks! But love the power..

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am pretty sure any of these bikes are going to be tough to pick up over and over again. I guess that is why they keep telling me to just stop falling off. ;-)

[@scottrubie6826]

Interesting review. Been asked to do a round australia trip mostly road with some dirt depending on outback conditions. I’m currently riding an Indian Chieftain limited and love it’s comfort. Although I did spend $1500 to get it ready for a 7000km trip last year. The AT is the top of the current list as I’m I’m short 5’7” so seat height is the biggest consideration personally. And I know I can carry 30-40litres of carrying capacity. Trip will be about 16000km (9400miles approx) over 35days in remote areas and very remote at times. I’m impressed with the review as it didn’t give me the oh shit don’t buy one of these. If cruise control and no USB or the biggest issues coming from someone who’s ridden the bike a lot then I’m cool. Next I guess is a test ride. Cheers.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you so much for your feedback on the vid Scott. It means a lot to us to hear what people think about our stuff. The AT is an incredible bike and sounds like it might be tailor made for the type of trip you are going on. I just finished a trip, not nearly as robust as yours, to the MABDR and the bike was perfect. It dealt with road riding, rocks, sand, dirt and everything else exceptionally well. A test ride is certainly a good idea but I would be surprised if you weren't more excited about a purchase after getting a chance to ride. Thank you again for watching and checking in with us. Good luck on your trip.

[@Bertuslouw76]

I own a 2018 Africa Twin with DCT transmission. The overall usefulness of the bike is excellent. DCT is great for heavily congested city roads.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I have the DCT too and have been super impressed with the bike. There obviously are good and bad places to take the bike but it does a solid job with everything I have thrown at it so far.

[@arollinx]

You've got me a little worried about my own bike choice WRT weight and picking it up. I plan on getting a Royal Enfield Himalayan. 420 pounds, then add luggage and crash bars... I'm not a new rider, but I haven't ridden in 20 years and never off pavement. I wonder now if a light dual sport is a better choice, but the Himalayan is SO PRETTY. I hope it works out for me and I hope you stay well and have fun out there. Thanks for the video.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am so glad you left a comment because I am sure others have had similar worries about their bike choice. Let me say this, it all depends on what type of riding you are looking to do and what sacrifices you are willing to make. Obviously, there is no perfect bike out there that can do everything well so we have to decide our tradeoffs. For me, the AT is a great choice because MOST of my riding will be on the road over potentially long distances so I need something that can handle the road well. I am also interested in moderate to heavy off-road portions which the AT can do but its a bit tougher because the bike is heavy. That is my tradeoff. If you are looking to do a lot more off-road than one of these big bikes probably isn't the best choice but it is all up to the individual rider. Whatever bike you choose, you will find the good and bad with it over time. It is only a problem if the good you find isn't better than the bad you find. Good luck and thank you again for your feedback.

[@Hooner77]

Good video. Most points I agree with you. In 2018 I was close to buying one. By this time the discounted price was just under $12k usd. Even then I would have been making payments. My dealer then bought about 25 leftover 2017 V-Strom 650S and was selling them at $5995.00. At this price I was able to pay cash. I was looking at the Africa Twin because I have the want to go off pavement , I just don't have the skills. Since my adventures are on tarmac the V-Strom is a better choice for me. For those with the skills to go off pavement I think the Africa Twin is a good choice. I can still find new 2017's just under $9k. As far as weight and bells and whistles it was right in line with it's direct competition (1090 Adventure R and V-Strom 1000).

[@BeGoneForGood]

When I first started riding I made a similar choice on getting a CB500X instead of a bigger bike mostly because I wanted to see if I really liked it before dropping major money. I don't do a ton of off-road riding but when I do, you're right, the AT is an absolute monster. I am glad you came by to watch and leave your feedback.

[@seanmortazyt]

great video

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you very much. I am glad you got something out of it.

[@allanapplin250]

I have a 2020 AT Standard model. It was one of the lightest in that 1000CC+ class. Power is more than the older models. Seat height was one of the lower ones as I am only 172cm/5'8". Has all the Bells & Whistles: Cruise Control as Standard and the only Adv bike with Apple Car Play which is awesome plus heaps of other Tech as Standard. Price is lower than similar sized bikes. Though I know the point you are trying to make for someone looking at buying an Adv Bike for the first time. Thumbs Up btw :)

[@chris3dgar]

I’ll add to the fact that the height is something that can be something that needs to be managed. I’m 5’ 11”, bought the low seat, and still can’t flat foot both feet. Best bike in the world to me. But it is a tall boi. Definitely took some work to get comfortable after starting on a triumph Bonnie.

[@BeGoneForGood]

It is definitely a big bike but manageable once you get used to it. I appreciate you leaving some added context and feedback to the video for others to check out. It is very helpful to see everyone's different opinions on the AT.

[@ckeggs]

I love my 2016 DCT and will probably never get rid of it but I agree nearly 100% with your assessment of the Africa Twin. Especially in the power department. My bike is more powerful and much more capable as a machine than I am as a rider but after riding with guys on big KTMs that can just roll the throttle into a power wheelie on a whim does bring about a small bit of jealousy. I just did a 950 mile weekend with a wide range of sand, mud, gravel, and blacktop. My bike was not the best at anyone surface but provided me with an awesome experience.

[@Speedytrip]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/en_TqHugoNxoj6s And you wont be jealous of the KTM reliability :)

[@BeGoneForGood]

Speedy, now you're just showing off. ;-)

[@BeGoneForGood]

I appreciate the watch and feedback Jim. I ride with a guy on a KTM and I have had those same pangs when he blasts off of a light. I am happy with the AT but I could see how someone interested in power might see the KTM and want to go that route instead. I am content keeping both wheels on the ground and making sure I get home every night.

[@Oldman.Roaming]

I’m in the market for a bike. Moving possibly soon to Austria from central america and I have not ridden in about three yrs. I did have a 2013 R1200GS and a 2008 DYNA 1600 that I loved but where I live having these bikes makes little sense. I am considering a new AT or a used GS. I would vote for the AT because its a honda and reliability is not usually an issue. With GS’s thats not necessarily the case sometimes. Great vid by the way! I have not ridden the AT so any heads up is always a plus.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is such a hard choice but I am clearly very biased. I love my Africa Twin so I would almost always suggest going that route. Reliability and reasonable prices for fixes is what really drew me to the bike because I didn't plan on spending tons on the bike after purchase (I'll let you all know how the 16k service goes). I would imagine with the long distances you can do throughout Europe a good long range bike would be a top priority. I am sure either will do just fine for your needs but I can't imagine a better choice than the AT. Good luck with that tough choice though. Thank you very much for watching and leaving a comment. It means a lot to us.

[@TBdown70]

Love my AT 2016 the only complaint I have is why did they not put 12v power Access in the bike at factory and what were they thinking on where they put the air filters Access but still all and all love my AT

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is completely true. It seems like a simple addition that wouldn't have been expensive to add when all the plastic was off during assembly. That is probably why it HAS been added to all the new models.

[@silentspeaking]

How’s the stock seat comfort mate on Africa twin for longer rides?

[@BeGoneForGood]

Sorry for the late reply. I have always found the stock seat VERY comfortable. To be fair, though, with my size I ride all the way back by the pillion plate so it may be a little more plush that far to the rear.

[@zeke3486]

What about the Nuda 900R? Will it work for an adventure trip?

[@BeGoneForGood]

That would probably be a great bike but I haven't ridden it. My only real worry would be the same as the AT, its weight. At 900, that is probably a massive bike and depending on how far out your adventure goes, it can get taxing. As long as you are comfortable on it, though, my opinion isn't a factor.

[@jthompson6189]

My first bike is a ktm 390 adv, really hope to get the AT one day. Checked out at the dealership, the size is absolutely intimidating, but I'm sure I'd get use to it

[@BeGoneForGood]

You would indeed because the bike, though big, is very manageable. I bumped up from a CB500X and had a little learning curve to get used to more power but it was pretty quick.

[@jthompson6189]

@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for the reply! Funny enough, the seat height between my 390 and AT was pretty similar, just a bigger bike. Love that tri color 😍

[@noobonpc275]

I have room for one bike. I picked the 19 Africa twin. I’m a big guy 6’3” 300lbs so it feels just small enough on trails. I love my bike and I think I’ll hold onto it for as long as I can maybe 10-20 years. It have low end power, high end power and it’s reliable. Really my only big issue on the twin is the front suspension and the rear valving. I plan on tuning when I can.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am getting to the point where a suspension upgrade may be in my future as well. We shall see what the new year brings.

[@vspatmx7458]

I last rode rentals about 10 years ago at age 30 haven't ridden after a gym slip disc incident. But I wanna ride NOW for a few years before the Chinese kill me. How is the Africa twin on the back and spine on tarmac / cement / bad roads / potholes

[@Bozoca666]

I love my 2019 AT, and I'm pretty sure that my next adv bike will be another AT.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I am a huge fan of mine as well. When the time comes a new AT is certainly on my radar.

[@Bozoca666]

@@BeGoneForGood 😁👍👊

[@thefittestyogi]

Used 2019 Africa twin dct 30k kilo or new 2022 klr650 Adventure for an rtw 80/20 trip?

[@BeGoneForGood]

This is SUCH a hard question to answer because I don't really know what it is you want out of your journey. I will tell you how I ended up going with the bigger Africa Twin as opposed to my original CB500X. I was traveling through Mexico and Central America and had so many instances where I wanted more power on demand from the bike. I was okay getting a heavier bike. I was okay getting a taller bike. I just wanted more power. If you are going to be doing 80% roads, I would choose the AT but I might be looking for very different things than you are. If the 20% is just fire roads and gravel then the AT doesn't really have a downside. If the 20% is more aggressive and you might drop the bike and have to pick it up, my guess is that you would be much happier with the lighter KLR. Either way, you are getting a capable bike and one you will have a ton of fun on. Good luck.

[@jonascahonas4323]

Love my 2020 AT 1100. CC adjustable suspension, android auto, Great bike! plenty of power.

[@BeGoneForGood]

It is a really great bike. I have the 2017 and have been very satisfied. I can't wait to upgrade to a newer model in a few years.

[@wez0]

Great bike. Yes, it is heavy and not nimble. It is fun in the twisties, but it is like muscling an oil tanker around corners once you start getting it over. Great for long distance but not agile.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Very good way to put it. There are obviously trade offs for everything but this bike does the best of hitting all my marks.

[@PeterVred]

I agree with everything. However, in my case it is PLENTY POWERFUL. I test rode an older Super Tenere, and it was way too much for me. I then rode the CB500X, which felt like home, but had NO power by comparison. A few minutes later I rode the AT, and it felt near perfect in the get up and go arena. Now that I’m an owner of a 2019, and loving it, I’m also keeping my eyes open for something lighter, that makes me feel safer.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I feel the same way about the power because I don't need much to be happy especially after coming off the CB500X. The new lighter, baby AT could be the perfect fit for guys like us. Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment.

[@nondasmouhanis2097]

I agree totally, I'm a 2017 AT owner barely 5'8" and I love my bike on pavement an gravel roads. I took once out on single track paths and dropped about 15 time mainly I believe because I'm to short for the bike when it comes to single track.

[@BeGoneForGood]

My first real off-road with the bike definitely toughened up my back quite a bit with all my pick ups. We are stronger for it, right?

[@clemcollins8154]

K

[@grayman999]

I reckon that’s a fair assessment I own a 2018 DCT I can’t pick it up on my own I’m 67 years old It’s just too heavy however it’s not ridden off road as I’m also 6ft 3” it’s a wonderful comfortable daily rider love the Dct it’s not a perfect bike but I really like mine .

[@markandrews5730]

I host an adventure bike training camp at my ranch that teaches how to manage the challenges of handling a big bike off road. There are many techniques to conserve your energy and increase the confidence of riding in the rough. The classes include picking up the bike in a manner that the smallest riders can perform safely and without injury. This class was the best money spent since owning my AT!

[@simonthomas5367]

I love my 2018 Adventure Sports! Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it's tall. You need to be comfy getting one foot down at stops to really use this bike correctly. But what an engine! What a ride! And who buys an ugly bike? She's stunning to look at.

[@scotcook5]

Thankis for the video. Do you ever miss your CB500? I have a CB and I'm thinking of moving up, but I;'m only 5 foot 7. Thx

[@BeGoneForGood]

I don’t. Not even a single day but I think that has a lot to do with how much I love the AT. The X was great for what I needed at the time but the AT is a much better fit both for my style of riding and my size. What were you considering stepping into?

[@scotcook5]

I was looking at the AT 1100 base with the smaller tank. I don't want a big tank primarily due to the extra wight up high. I thought I was going to love the DCT but, did a test ride and really didn't like how it down shifts coming a stop. That second to first was really grabby. Really made me wonder how that would be off-road. Im now thinking the manual with a quick shifter might be the best. IDK.@@BeGoneForGood

[@BeGoneForGood]

@@scotcook5 I wish I could give you a good idea of how this process works for me but when I was off-road in some pretty significant territory, I never had a single second thought or issue. It all worked exceptionally well for me. I think the difference is the folks who are comfortable with manuals might appreciate the hands-on nature of the manual.

[@maxlutz3674]

I am 5' 6". The first test ride was on AT Adventure Sports. For me that was at the limit. I own a 2018 AT and started with standard seat in the low setting considering the optional low seat. After a few rides I reconsidered. The standard seat now is in the high setting. I am satisfied with the power and even more with the smooth power curve when rolling on throttle. As you said that is about preference. Coming from the XLR 750 AT height was not a real concern. As a short rider on tall bikes you learn balance.

[@BeGoneForGood]

It is awesome to hear from a smaller rider on the AT. I could see how the height could take some balance capability. I am happy with the power too but I could see how it could leave a little to be desired from folks craving speed.

[@maxlutz3674]

​@@BeGoneForGood Those tall ADVs are actually easy to balance. They have excellent feedback and a good response to steering inputs. For a shorter rider keeping balance just comes easier to mind than dabbing. I had a couple of situation where that saved me from dropping the bike. In my neck of the woods the speed limit on the streets is at 60 mph max. The AT can go at twice that speed. That´s fast enough for me. For folks craving speed a big ADV may not be the right tool anyways. That´s what supersports and hypernakeds are for. As I forgot to mention it in the first comment: I think you made valid points in the video. All of them are a matter of personal choice. I did not perceive them as complaints.

[@BeGoneForGood]

For sure. Thank you again for the feedback as it is very helpful, not just to me, but also others looking at this for a potential bike.

[@migo33]

I agree with everything you said and that's why I bought one.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is EXACTLY right. This bike is perfect for some people and terrible for others. It all depends on how you plan on using this tool. I am glad you found the bike that works for you. My time with the CB500X was really great and it was only when I needed slight change that I looked somewhere else. Thank you very much for the watch and the feedback.

[@migo33]

@@BeGoneForGood no worries. Most of these ADVs are a compromise and ADV doesn't mean gnarly terrain it just means covering distances with heavy loads. I don't understand why people think they need to ride single tracks with a 250kg machine. That's not ADV, that's just torture. -)

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

I looked at it and other ADV bikes a couple of years ago. Went with a KTM. It had what I wanted. I think most of this list applies to all the bikes I looked at except tech. Can't imagine picking mine up 12 times a day.

[@BeGoneForGood]

It is no fun, I tell you. The KTM is a great bike and I think if I wasn't such a fan of Honda, the KTM might have won out in the end.

[@toddsmith4109]

I love my 2016 manual. 40k miles. Buy the right bike for you. It's not for everyone. It is for me though. It's amazing offroad, but it's not magic so you need to be ready for an "offroad goldwing" which for me, is a big part of the enjoyment. The challenge of doing and not dropping. using that 21" front tire. keeping your momentum, etc. all the things you don't have to worry about on a 250 dual sport are what appeal to me about the AT. And you will be a better rider for it

[@BeGoneForGood]

Off-road Goldwing? That is hilarious and all of a sudden the bike doesn't seem that unmanageable. I have learned so much in a short amount of time when it comes to dealing with off-road environments. I obviously have a long way to go but it feels good knowing some of the basics as they have already improved my riding. The other good news is that I can only really afford to have one bike so I HAVE to manage on the AT no matter what kind of riding I am doing. I certainly do hope that I can get better and better so pickups become less and less. I wanted to thank you for giving us your thoughts on the video. It helps everyone when you can give honest and interesting feedback about your experiences.

[@mostlybroadbandbandit]

As an owner - these are are SUPER valid points. Its still a fantastic bike though.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Totally agree! It is my baby but it isn't for everyone for sure.

[@gimmecom]

I have 32 inch inseam. Installed Soupys lowering links to my AT and adjusted to lower just 1 inch. So much better! Now can flat foot. Changed kickstand to Camel ADV shorter kickstand for more lean. Perfect! Installed Kaoko cruise control and big Garmin LMT 61 GPS car nav on Camel ADV bracket for bells and whistles. Perfect! BMW sells their GPS for $1000 and it is tiny! Cant read it! The DCT is a rocket from a standing start to 60 or so. Only a rider truly ready for a race can keep up.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I love that the AT is accessible for so many riders especially with a few simple modifications. I am curious to hear about the Kaoko because I great super tired of the ride while going through Nebraska this past summer. I have seen great reviews for them but never quite pulled the trigger. I go even cheaper on my GPS by just using my phone. ;-) Thank you so much for watching and offering your thoughts as well. I am hoping all of these comments as well as the video help others with their choice of bike.

[@gimmecom]

Be Gone For Good The Kaoko would be perfect for Nebraska, just set and forget! It simply adds friction to overcome throttle’s spring return. Once friction is set you can rotate the throttle to any position and it stays. Setting it with pinky finger as advertised can be done but its not easy. I usually let go of throttle to dial in some friction if no one is behind me. Anyway, it beats a throttle lock any day. BTW, phone is indeed best navigator, Garmin is best moving map - always shows speed, speed limit, direction or elevation, road youre on and what intersecting road is coming up next. Id be lost without it (yuk yuk).

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is a pretty solid endorsement of the Kaoko. I might have to pick one up before our next long road trip because it would be nice to take my hand off every now and again. I also should be clear, not that it matters to our convo, but I actually really enjoyed riding across Nebraska this past year. I thought it was going to be a bear but I loved seeing the bright blue sky set against the deep greens all around. It was a perfect day to be riding through and I enjoyed every mile of it far more than I expected. It felt like the very picture of freedom spread out before me so don't jump all over me Nebraska people.

[@derrickldesign]

you just made me want the 2022 even more, lol

[@BeGoneForGood]

Get it! Just make sure you report back to us what you think about it. ;-)

[@robi1885]

Picking it up was tough at first started lifting weights again power cleaning, got back to my old squat 360lbs now its very easy I agree with the power I wish it has a little more power you can really feel it holding you back with a fully loaded bike

[@BeGoneForGood]

I wish I was interested in lifting at all because it would be nice to throw this thing around a little easier but I would rather ride if I had the free time. My goal is just simply to do a lot less falling on this next trip out. ;-)

[@manuelfvdias]

Have you consider the AJP PR7? Could be what you are looking for.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That looks like a REALLY fun bike. I am pretty well set up on my AT for now even though she is super heavy sometimes. ;-) There is a part of me that seriously wants to consider getting a second, just off-road, bike so I can bomb around difficult terrain with a much easier handle on a light bike. I don't know if it makes much sense because I don't do a ton of riding like that but it is exciting to consider. Thank you very much for the suggestion and those videos about the bike make this a really enticing option.

[@manuelfvdias]

@@BeGoneForGood If you decide to have a go, try it first. I'm sure it will hook you up. Meanwhile check this reviews: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3vLo2OcfZiaa6M and kzbin.info/www/bejne/q162gH2anKmohMk

[@mototechsam3051]

Ive worked on bike since 1980 certified mototerc mech I've owned a 22 Africa twin base model 11 months now and I'm old school and trail ride and been through sand and haven't dumped it yet. This is (to me) the best adventure bike for all around and when it wears out after 100k miles or so I will buy a new one . 56 to 62 miles a gallon cruise control lots of bells n whistles and it took time to adjust to what I needed to operate it of my needs. Only thing I will do to it is better seat and maybe 4" higher windscreen rear rack n kriega bags for now. Eng guards are on. But you might want a smaller bike this is your preference not everyone else's no manufacturer is going to build your perfect bike . That's why they have ecseseries and upgrades to build what you want for your bike..

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is sort of my point. Every bike is a tool and sometimes there are better tools for different jobs. Just be sure this is the right tool before going too deep into it.

[@stephtraveler7378]

Good info and honest feedback.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I appreciate the comment. I always figure these vids are going to spark some life but it routinely catches me off guard. I am glad you enjoyed the vid.

[@alexmorton8659]

Yes, youre out of youre mind! The Africa Twin is a good all rounder, its built to suit certain rider styles! Im a BMW1200GSA rider, but love the Africa Twin, its a great bike!

[@BeGoneForGood]

I agree with you that the AT is the best all rounder, at least for me but it does suit certain styles and not others. I am surprised the BMW crowd doesn't kick you out for saying something nice about the AT. ;-) Don't worry, we can keep a secret here.

[@projetalimentation2605]

Malgré ces 5 défauts cités,j’aime mon Africa twin . Je suis toujours sur autoroute,très agréable.

[@PowellRobertM]

Damnit, the power/speed is a big consideration for me

[@BeGoneForGood]

Alright...its not a total loss. I would just make sure you get a chance to test ride one first. As I said, the bike is MORE than powerful enough for me as a cautious, relatively new rider but I have some KTM and BMW friends that found it tame comparatively. You might be completely satisfied and happy with what Honda is delivering here but you might not be also. If speed and power is a consideration for you, check it out. Good luck and we would love to know what you thought after giving it a go.

[@louisdesignsandrides1215]

What are your thoughts on the 2020 and do these apply to the newest bike?

[@BeGoneForGood]

The 2020 is an incredible bike and other than tech, most of these would still apply. The newest bikes come with many of the creature comforts I detailed but now you have the added issue (potentially) of a failure of those systems. It is a tradeoff and one that I would generally rely pretty heavily on the reliability of Honda, but anything tech related can fail at some point which can lead to minor or major disturbances in your travels. The added tech stuff also boosts the price quite a bit which changes the bikes that in the same competitive field as the AT. As long as you are taking into account all the factors of the bike as well as your desired riding, you should be just fine.

[@louisdesignsandrides1215]

Be Gone For Good there’s also a bump in power which one other reviewer claimed a notable difference in power.

[@eddyennis9160]

I have a 2020ATAS, has all the bells and whistles. Height no problem. 6’2” here. Enough power for me. Yes it is heavy! Trails maybe a T7 is better. However, I put 5,320 miles on mine in 6 weeks. Guys down in Big Bend had a CRF 250, they were eating up the trails and back roads. Purpose built. Jack of all trades and master of none. Biggest issue for me is the seat hurts my ass after about 3 hours.

[@joaxgolf]

I love the bike but it is just too heavy for me, if it was not for the DCT i would not get it.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I totally understand. Strangely, I think if I was doing a lot more off-roading, I would either have to get significant amounts of training or a lighter bike. Since most of my time is spent on the road, I just absolutely love the capabilities of the AT. I also have the DCT and really love the ease of riding these days. I loved my manual bike as well before this but the DCT just lets me spend so much more effort enjoying the experience.

[@Scorge120]

I'm pretty sure the AT has the option for the lowest seat height in its class and across most dual-sport motorcycles, without touching suspension.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I think you are correct and if you are going to be in this class of bike, the AT is probably your best "low option" for sure. If, however, the size is a big issue, there are other, smaller, bikes you can try out to make the ride a little easier. Or you could just be like Jocelin Snow and command the big bikes regardless of size. ;-)

[@paulyflyer8154]

Just have 2 bikes: Africa Twin or GS for long road trips with light trails, and something like an old Honda 250 CRF for off-road fun. Easy to pick up, won't break, and if anything snaps it's cheap and easy to replace yourself.

[@oliverrichie9921]

Thank you.

[@BeGoneForGood]

No thank you...

[@miguelvelascojimenez5299]

You are totally right

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you for the feedback.

[@richardsprings1414]

Being in Africa twin owner yourself I think you're were it objective and pertaineth in your points but I'm not a hater and I appreciate your input

[@BeGoneForGood]

Thank you so much for your feedback and watching. It means a lot to me to hear what people think of the vids.

[@Watson2108]

I´m 6´1" and in reality, only adv bikes fit me really well. I´m considering the 1000 Africa Twin. Love the colors, especially the blue one. There are some good bikes with DCT under 10.000€ where I live. Don´t have that kind of money yet and it´s quite a lot for a used bike, but it will surely never go wrong on me.

[@BeGoneForGood]

This is a GREAT bike if you are okay with the things mentioned here. I still love mine.

[@Watson2108]

@@BeGoneForGood Thank you. Did you have any problems with the spokes or tubes? I‘d rather have tubeless cast wheels but maybe they are not so bad.

[@BeGoneForGood]

No problems at all and I have ridden som pretty rough areas. I have been very happy with every stock part other than the pegs.

[@dbmiller5881]

I'm also only 5'-6" with an AT - DCT (2017). I occasionally think about selling it because of the weight. Then I decide to keep it because of the DCT! For low speed riding on the trails, the DCT has saved me from stalling/falling more times than I'd like to admit. Most dirt bikes I've owned are just as tall as the AT, and I'm sure if I practiced perfect clutch control, stalling wouldn't be a problem. But I'm not great at it, and the DCT solves it! Also, most standard dual-sports are geared too high for tight trails, so you gear it down, and its rev's too high on the highway. DCT solves for this too.

[@BeGoneForGood]

I never really had the “I’m selling it moment” because even when I was struggling with the bike’s weight, I knew I still had a long comfortable ride home afterwards. I think if I was going to be doing regular, hard-core off road, I’d look for a second lighter bike. As it stands, most of my riding is going to be road based so the big bike is perfect. I also agree about the DCT. It was such a great asset off road and allowed me to deal with my inexperience on a dozen other levels and not worry about the clutch. Life saver for those of us not in the highly proficient category. Thank you so much for dropping by and leaving a line. It is great to see feedback from all different riders and their thoughts on the bike.

[@dbmiller5881]

@@BeGoneForGood Thanks for taking the time to reply to the comments! Perhaps I should add, "this is my second, lighter bike" lol. First bike is a GoldWing, weighs about twice as much! Had to pick it up once... had to get 2 other guys to help, hopefully THAT never happens again!

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is hilarious. I can’t imagine the AT being my downsized bike. I have heard great things about the GW and I think if I ever started traveling WITH my wife I’d probably consider going that route because I imagine it’s a spectacular ride. If I drop it though, I will be selling it right there where it lays.

[@simondavis741]

Well, I enjoyed the video. And the comments too, it amazing how upset folks can get when someone dares to express a viewpoint that’s different from their own.. 🤔😆

[@BeGoneForGood]

I get it to some degree. These are expensive bikes and no one wants to believe there is anything bad to say about the machines they love. I did my best to make it more about the different styles of bikes rather than any deficiencies of the bike. It didn’t seem to work. ;-)

[@joelmlavi400]

You can suggest what to look up when I want buy an AT because am start fall in with it? I want to buy one from my uncle 1995 model. #I've never own or ride a motorcycle this will be my first time.

[@joelmlavi400]

Am from Africa, Tanzania 🇹🇿

[@BeGoneForGood]

So I know this may be a little disheartening but I chose to get a smaller bike for my first bike. The weight and power of the AT probably would have gotten me into a little bit of trouble initially so I opted for a CB500X first. I spent a couple of years and many miles on that bike first and then purchased the AT once I was more comfortable. I hope that helps.

[@-pavski-7230]

It’s like you said right tool for the right job an AT is a big bike with a big engine if you are doing serious off road get a KTM or something else light but for medium / long distance trips in comfort and trail Riding it’s hard to beat I love mine

[@BeGoneForGood]

I agree. There are trade offs but for the type of riding I do and what I need out of a bike, the AT is a monster.

[@rodbrannon1647]

What highway was that? Very brief. I thought it looked like 14 in Utah?

[@BeGoneForGood]

I don't think it was 14 as that appears to be on the opposite side of Utah from where we were. If it is the clip I am thinking of with the patches of snow from a helmet cam, then it is the road stretching from Montrose to Ouray CO that we took to get over to the Utah BDR. As a side note, if you ever have a chance to ride into Ouray on that road...take it. Find a way no matter what you have to do because it is beautiful, especially if you can catch a late spring snow storm. ;-)

[@rodbrannon1647]

@@BeGoneForGood Thanx. I know Montrose. I'll have to look up Ouray? Not currently available in my memory bank. I've likely been there or close. I'm thinking of shipping a bike to New Zealand and fulfilling my one bucket list item.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Everything I have seen about traveling through NZ has been amazing. That is an incredible trip. Please let us know if you are going to be documenting that trip anywhere because I would love to do it myself someday. Good luck and ride safe.

[@jjustj]

Dont take this personally, may I ask what off road training have you had? Riding back ground? Thanks!

[@BeGoneForGood]

Not personal at all. I have next to nothing. No training and not much experience. We took off for the UTBDR this year and tackled some expert sections because we didn't know any better. I have been riding for about four years and have done some extensive traveling domestically and internationally but still pretty fresh comparatively speaking.

[@jjustj]

@@BeGoneForGood If I may be so bold > I have over 50 years riding experience and taking a course like West 38 Moto or similar would greatly reduce the amount of time needed to pick up dropped bikes, as your skills may prevent much of the need. It would also IMHO increase the enjoyment from riding ten fold both off and on road. People tend to invest in farkeling their bikes rather than investing in themselves. Stepping off soap box now, I do enjoy the quality and amount of work that goes into making them. Please keep up the good work,!!

[@BeGoneForGood]

You are 100% right and I found that out very quickly when I took a shortened version of Bill Dragoo's off-road course upon returning. I think, if I were to EVER do Lockhart Basin again, I would be much more confident and capable just practicing some basic stuff. I don't know if I mentioned it in the video or not, I do not fault the bike at all for y shortcomings in skill and experience. I do, however, recognize that others like me, limited in skill, might travel the same routes and this is simply a cautionary tale about how this tool might not be the best fit if you are looking for an alternative experience. That is to say, skill can take you a long way on this bike but it will also take you much further on a smaller bike if you are looking primarily off road. I do appreciate your feedback and your delivery as well. It is a big deal to have people willing to critique your work and not just walk away so thank you very much. I look forward to offering something else worth your while in the future.

[@MonstaMunch101]

Your height concern makes no sense, AT has different height options that take it lower than most 500's.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Even as a low bike it could still be tall for some smaller riders, especially given its weight as well. It may not be a big deal to some but it is at least worth acknowledging if a big bike could be problematic for newer or shorter riders. I do appreciate your feedback though as it definitely helps to round out people's choices as they look for the perfect bike.

[@asianbrown5814]

@@BeGoneForGood I've seen 5.4 ft guy ride Africa twin and he owns some other dual sport bikes

[@SAAdams]

The seat heights on ktm's are much higher. Even the 790 has a much higher seat height. You can adjust the seat and pre-load

[@richardnoggin1280]

experience... you can take a rider like mad mick on the MVDBR enduro channel and go wow the AT is an awesome bike, but how much experience dose he have? i just bought my AT and i can only hope to ride like him in maybe 5 years give the bike a chance.

[@BeGoneForGood]

That is very true but for us mere mortals it might help to gain that experience on a slightly easier to handle bike. I am going to stick with the AT because I only get one bike but a 250 would have been really nice in Utah.

[@BTBSean0]

Buys a Ltr bike winges about the weight.......Buys a off rd bike winges about its height..... Buys a price built bike winges about the lack of goodies.....Buys a Ltr bike winges about how it doesn't have the punch of a larger cc bike.....Yea great points none of them ....with well over 100,000 klms on my AT with no issues I can't see the problem here ......You ppl crack me up

[@djr60]

BehindTheBars good point mate, longevity and long term cost is never mentioned, plus the cost when shit break!

[@BeGoneForGood]

Behind The Bars, I don't know what a winge is but I think I like mine with buffalo sauce. ;-) Seriously, I get that the AT is a great all-rounder. I mean hell it is my bike and I plan on going all around on the thing but do you think there are some people out there where this "tool" just doesn't fit what they are trying to do? This question came up in my own head as I was doing a pretty rugged off-road loop in Utah this past summer. I have only ridden two bikes for any amount of time. My first was a CB500X and then the AT. While I was in Utah on the AT, dropping the bike all over the place, I wondered if I wouldn't have been better off on a smaller, lighter bike. The 2000 mile ride out to Utah wouldn't have been as good but maybe my off road experience would have been better. It is tough to say I guess but I thought it was at least worth starting the conversation with the video. I appreciate you leaving a comment and adding your insights to the conversation.

[@BeGoneForGood]

Daniel, that is very true about the long term cost. I never really thought of that. Partially I am guessing because I haven't had the AT that long really and I haven't seen the costs associated with the other bikes. That would be a definite factor in overall cost for the bike for sure. Thank you very much for adding that feedback.

[@CRFLAus]

@BehindTheBars More vids please! Africa Twin is awesome. Beach too sandy, water too wet for some people.

[@BTBSean0]

@@BeGoneForGood Wasnt directed you personally just the message, its piss funny. I hear it all the time. so not a personal attack just the message mate

[@bigtool4088]

Love my Africa twin

[@BeGoneForGood]

It is an incredible bike. I am a big fan of mine as well.