After 5 Yrs Under Dev, EU5 Trade REQUIRES An ECONOMICS DEGREE

[@raffaelprado7425]

"Games make you dumb" Average player of paradox with 5 degrees in different areas:

[@Shadowplayer_00]

Seriously. Just by playing games from Paradox, I learned extremely more than during my entire time at school and college.

[@tomli5426]

Everything is not 0 or 1, but something between. We lose ourselves on the games, movies, and other mass media. We waste time and provide dopamine, which does not have a positive value in such quantities. We try harder and hader to achieve something that only in our eyes is important. It is unhealthy for our public and psychological lives. Thats why I stopped playing games or watching movies, etc. like a madman and dosed it lowly. I started to enjoy the games or movies and many other things more than ever. I dont have obsessions like I had not only on pdx games but other games like terraria, minecraft, or lol, and I'm trying to focus on other things like social life or self-improvement. Still, I love grand strategy, but I love the balance that I achieved now without the bad side of mass media or tryharding and losing myself to next-world conquest on Ryuku or something. Games if we lose ourself, passions etc. are close to narcomany. The same thing is the shorts on youtube, facebook, instagram or tiktok.

[@raffaelprado7425]

@tomli5426 Agreed, and this don't mean about stoping forever of playing videogames, but much more about finding your own values, purpuses and something that drag you in moving foward. It's a slow process, but Just like yourself, it's something that eventually we gonna need to do to find our own balance in life, even improving or loving a lot of the games in this New way than before.

[@chrisbruhe]

@@tomli5426 nerd

[@tomli5426]

@@raffaelprado7425 While you are growing up, your way of thinking also changes. I was working hard asf for months without any weekends and holidays, and then spending months at home doing nothing but playing games or watching shows. It was always one state of mind or the other. Finally with a new job and future plans, I’ve found peace and balance. I chose not to pursue higher education because I wanted to find my own path. In my country, university studies are, in 90% of cases, either a way to delay adulthood or a means to specialize in one specific career. Now, I’ve learned to balance my life, so I can still enjoy playing games while focusing on other aspects of life. Games taught us how to use English and build our passion for instance, a love for history, tactics, mechanics, or even electrical engineering. In my opinion, these experiences are gems that we got in our generations. The games are gems that give us the opportunity to learn in the way that we will enjoy.

[@laMoria]

After playing EU5, it seems we will all be able to launch our own campaign trails and rule over the EU irl.

[@ApostleOfDarkness]

I can't believe Paradox made a tutorial for the economic system called Victoria 2

[@Stalin-7332]

i am so hyped, vk2 is the best PDX game imo.

[@danvernier198]

People rioting about lack of wine doesn't seem too far fetched.

[@EaSkateVideo]

Ahh crap, I knew I shouldn't have chosen to get an engineering degree! 😂

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

If you survived the trials of engineering, you can handle economics

[@SerfinBird]

I should have minored in economics instead of political science. I understand why they rebel but not why the spice doesn't flow.

[@EaSkateVideo]

But I prefer my large numbers to be in * 10^x notation, not with just two decimals! 😅

[@frankensteinskaijuverse]

same

[@hernancortez5865]

@@EaSkateVideo Made the same mistake

[@kaltenstein7718]

Cant wait for the dev diary where we find out we need an astronomy degree to avoid comets

[@Carwreck-cwrk]

I think it would be cool to see blockading, embargos, piracy, and other economic sanctions be more fleshed out in Pj Caesar (part of me still thinks they're going to pull a major troll and call this something brand new). Since Trade nodes are essentially dynamic (from what I remember a few dev diaries ago), it would be interesting to see a system where nations can use regional influence to force other nations to abandon certain trade centers entirely like in the case of the Napoleonic Wars where Britain basically forced neutral nations on the periphery to stop trading with France (see the intervention in Denmark) and then France preemptively invades Russia because of their economic dealings with Great Britain. I think this would really highlight the Material nature of warfare in the 1800s as well as make trade conflicts actually worth the effort.

[@TheUckActor]

Is EU5 gonna be the Victoria 2 sequel we deserved

[@Negi2468]

20% efficiency should be written as 120%, then

[@Lonadar1340]

Not if it's a 20% BONUS, in which case 20% is correct. What Johan says in the comments that Ludi goes through seems to indicate that TE is seen as a modifier, not the total amount. If they listed the total efficiency, then yes, it should have been 120%. :)

[@krzysztofsowinski3726]

Absolutely agree.

[@RavencoarEDM]

As someone with an actual economics degree, I can say that I can't understand snot just yet, Lubi. Is est over fur mich?

[@zimtwiers9726]

Oui

[@LudietHistoria]

it's joever indeed sir

[@xaropy]

ja

[@whitehawk4099]

We can never be so back until it's so over.

[@Johnny_Croissant]

if it's german economics you don't need to understand anything

[@pasaniucdaniel4112]

I gotta say Project Patrician 5 looks pretty good

[@HansWurst1569]

I hope they do something with the UI though, I really REALLY hate how cheap / mobile game it looks. Its something about the font with the shapes of buttons or something. I cant quite put my finger on it. In my opinion CK3 looks the best out of all the current paradox games. Vicky 3 looks by far the worst. I even prefere the older paradox games over Vicky 3's ui... I think this current UI just reminds me of Vicky 3....

[@laMoria]

I think the game UI is like the last thing they'll be working on. I may be wrong, but I think the game mechanics are far more difficult to change, hence why they focus on that first. Anyways, if it's that bad, there'll be community mods in no time to fix it :)

[@victormufasa]

@@HansWurst1569 as a seasoned paradox player I'm not too worried about it because by the end of the first year we will have 10 different UI mods that will cover everything from efficiency to beautification

[@TheColdOnez]

@@HansWurst1569 don’t worry too much about the UI, mods will make that an easy fix. Core gameplay is more important and cant be fixed quickly.

[@MrThroning]

5:10 thats me, 5k hours I still just collect in my main node and send all merchants upstream to transfer trade. That is ALL my trade gameplay in every campaign

[@rediorxd]

Finally EU franchise will be fun as hell

[@GekkeHenkie1313]

I hope they actually optimise this game. Because if it continues the trend of the previous paradox releases. It is gonna take 20 minutes to get to the loading screen.

[@guipinto5248]

@@GekkeHenkie1313 Johan has mentioned in the forums that at max speed it should run as fast as eu4 or imperator

[@Zaire82]

@@guipinto5248 That's not exactly what they were saying. Even Victoria 3 runs fairly okay once it's loaded, but it takes 5-10 minutes to load. CK3 is even worse. I make a habit of tabbing out and watching something while I wait.

[@guipinto5248]

@@Zaire82My bad, thought he was talking about performance in general. Haven't seen Johan talk about loading times, but one thing I can tell you is that Johan seems to pay alot of attention to performance, so it would be fair to assume that they aren't sleeping on the topic. I haven't played vic3 since launch, do these long loading times happen with an SSD?

[@mattasoEu]

6:10 Deficit 😊

[@rafaelrmaier]

Johan literally chanelled Das Kapital in that comment

[@stewartgraham4702]

Your face taking up my whole screen was kinda scary ngl

[@Endlave]

the opposite of surplus is deficit, my friend.

[@He1loEarthling]

Finally, I now know what I want to do in uni.

[@whitehawk4099]

It's not worth it.

[@LauftFafa]

i do have a degree that i couldnt make use of it but maybe this game can finally make me think that my college years werent just a waste

[@Sto1c1]

Deficit for opposite of surplus?

[@mattbowdenuh]

I love paradox games. I have a BA in Economics. Makes perfect sense.

[@RKGrizz]

My question is, can Norway turn Oslo into a 'center of trade' that lowers the amount of ducats and goods that goes further into the Lubeck trade node and into the Baltic?'

[@akosturi-kiss7712]

Yes they can. You will be able to creat and demolish markets. Also the locations going to dynamicly shift between markets.

[@nejzk2026]

Finally! Trade system from my dreams!

[@cinaralin]

Fine, you can have my sub. My only condition is that you never stop making great videos specifically of things that really interest me. I also expect you to know if/when my interests change and adapt right away. If you actually managed to steal my wallet from halfway across the world I'd be willing to let you have whatever small amount of cash that was in it.

[@TheOneIng]

Not colour blind but really happy to see that they're putting measures in place to help those that are.

[@HansWurst1569]

I am and I would have been totaly fucked if they didnt lol

[@aqvamarek5316]

Do not forget, "trade opm empire" like hansa can still found "banking states". So your trade money feeds you banks.

[@krzysztofsowinski3726]

Haha jokes on you. My wallet is already taken. Also, I can't wait till they finally release it. Hyped into stratosphere!

[@whitehawk4099]

It looks like they're going to try to make eu5 good, but I just can't trust a game in general to be good at the start anymore, let alone a Paradox game. This may be an exception to the "it'll be good in two years", but I won't know for a year or so.

[@krzysztofsowinski3726]

@whitehawk4099 I will tell you after Quick first 200 hours after release if it's any good.

[@whitehawk4099]

@@krzysztofsowinski3726 Sure yeah, you can reply to this thread if you want. I'm mainly disillusioned with modern gaming right now. Just going back and playing some of the old ones from the mid 2000s which are fairly good (and also inexpensive)

[@fullrefund8812]

You mean that Economics degree I earned 30+ years ago will finally be useful! I knew university would serve a purpose some day!. :)

[@Mizreg]

About to finish my economics degree in March lmao 😎

[@domesday1535]

I hope trade maintenance is prohibitive for cheap goods and as time goes by it changes drastically. Also I hope it's very different over sea vs land

[@robertalaverdov8147]

I just hope that it doesn't turn into the Imperator Rome disloyalty system where you have to deal with a civil war every 5 minutes.

[@RealitiesCookiejar]

imo, tags with access to the sea/ocean/water generally speaking should have a higher trade range than those who dont since ships have always been a more efficient means of transporting goods.

[@wheatblue7592]

I have always enjoyed more of the trading part. Playing as a small nation but controlling a lot of trade is honestly really fun. Especially controlling monopoly of certain goods. In EU5, you don't need goods to actually produce things but in EU5 it seems that you do so this gameplay would be more in depth. I'm honestly excited!

[@CatladyAyaki]

Ludi is my handsome otaku Sama

[@sharif7099]

2:41 bro just came up with another abstract modifier😭😭😭

[@RiccardoProsperococco]

On a quick note, as a colorblind person the red "market balance" number is basically unreadable, red over brown may not be the best choice! I think the colorblind mode they added will be really helpful!

[@tylerphuoc2653]

I am fully color-sighted and some of the text has really bad contrast regardless

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

I wonder how effective will be using some modern economic theories, which would be on paper quite powerful compared to mercantilism that was the theory used at the time.

[@whitehawk4099]

You're not going to get MMT in 1453.

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@whitehawk4099 We might, if somehow tags were able to stack massive pop promotion from peasantry into the burgher estate. Prolly not gonna happen until the 1700s, tho

[@unreg6997]

Missing trade goods leading to rebels is a red flag.

[@montanabaker1713]

Complaining about unrest from missing wine, meanwhile we literally had a whiskey rebellion

[@sanguisbumb6138]

What great irony that I’m in college for an economics degree right now.

[@CourtlySeaDog]

so does production efficiency increase the amount of that building's item output or not? if you have a lumber yard making 1.0 lumber and a 20% production efficiency, are you producing 1.20 lumber after the fact? it confuses me that they only mention profitability at the end of the day, I signed up for EU5 not Victoria 4

[@bigbo1764]

All I ask is that auto trader isn’t ass like it is in imperator

[@Thooori]

this trade system seems very tedious, but we shall see how it feels to play

[@FrostbitexP]

It can be automated. It wont be tedious unless you make it tedious for your self.

[@Klanosek]

I am colorblind and I have to say that the first time You have shown the deficit table I didn't even notice there were any numbers on the right side of the fillable storage You were complaining about so colorblind mode def helps here😅

[@FootballClips101]

I really hope for new plays that trade doesn’t really matter and can be left alone, but that if you know what you’re doing it can get OP with the right nations.

[@FrostbitexP]

Just hit the automate trade button.

[@rizkiadriansyah1784]

This counts as interning at the world bank

[@dearg_doom]

Lumber. We need lumber.

[@maximus5668]

I guess you can rebel by not having basic goods, but lacking gold... nor sure. At that time people uses resources from local areas, so rebel because you don´t have sugar is quite an error for me.

[@Rahapallo]

This is good.

[@junechevalier]

Okay so I have a literature degree, does it mean I excel at propaganda in EU5?

[@joshuafrimpong244]

Potentially

[@whitehawk4099]

Quick: analyse the propagandistic message behind Christmas advertisements. If you can do that, then sure.

[@mitux447]

Ludi, where is the second part of the megacampain?😢

[@shehryarashraf5840]

As someone who owns gold and silver, i 'd probably revolt if i didnt have access to it, given how inflation is these days

[@joshuafrimpong244]

Oof, there's gonna be a tax on that

[@fickogames9612]

@@joshuafrimpong244 oversimplified refrence?

[@joshuafrimpong244]

@@fickogames9612 yep

[@8thPreacher]

*Stops smothering himself in butter and spices* Dang

[@matan4266]

2:30, wow thank you for explaining elementary school math, I guess americans are also playing eu, I get that

[@sabotcatmakhno2120]

@Ludi does production efficiency only affects gold income or production? In Eu4 this means basically the same. But in Eu5 we actually use trade goods for actual stuff and not just a gold producing mechanic. just to be more specific. if i make 1 gold out of producing 10 lumber and gain 20% this could mean I just make 1,2 gold out of 10 lumber or this could mean I make 1,2 Gold out of 12 lumber. amount of gold doesnt change but option 2 means i get 2 lumber more that i could use for what ever

[@Beachdudeca]

I’m concerned that because of needing specific trade goods that small countries will not be viable.

[@Frank-ru5im]

will this game be good to play day1 unlike victoria 3

[@Meister_Mogul]

5:44 More like get the "drift" WOOD! Please don't steal my wallet

[@panzerkampfwagen6tiger2]

it better not come out coming 5 months till i graduate then

[@PiastTorun]

I did economics up to a level below a degree, does that mean I can at least starve my people 5% less?

[@Oosh21]

Efficiency should be 0-100%. In your example Production of 5 trees at 80% = 4 trees.

[@Meanietube]

No wine is a good reason to rebel though 😂

[@Pazzystar]

Are you and Nikolay Feldman related?

[@pandatheoryy]

"So where did you get your economics degree?" *shows hours played in EU5*

[@liphrium9858]

I completed my degree at Paradox University. 🎉

[@neversarium]

Let me handle it; I have an economics degree

[@papiew1]

A little ridiculous to have people rebel because they don't have access to Gold, Silver, Cloth and Wine... I doubt many peasants had access to these goods in history and was the main driver to them joining rebels - I'd see that more for food/essential goods. Maybe some noble families would instead support rebels if they don't have access to these?

[@joshuafrimpong244]

The wine bit makes sense, along with a lack of money

[@papiew1]

@joshuafrimpong244 Is gold resource indicative of actual money? I'd imagine (too many dev diaries to confirm) that it's simulated in other ways. As for wine, not sure... I'd argue moreso on the cloth for lack of clothing but ehhhh, seems a little pushy on rebellion causes. I'd love to see more focus on base goods affecting QOL like Victoria that drives pops to be more volatile and them actually joining rebels being a more dynamic simulation as opposed to no wine = rebels joining. Things like losing wars, bad decision making, the general decrease in the economy, etc.

[@joesdayable]

Silver and Gold would represent currencies, so liquidity basically which is definitely important, though less so and it seems valued at less. Cloth (wool and linen) is a staple good and one of the two main products of an agrarian economy, no cloth no clothing, no clothing you freeze to death in winter while working outside. As for wine - humans will do wild things when their booze runs out. I

[@papiew1]

@@joesdayable I can definitely see the argument for cloth, being a base good in so many things. When it comes to Gold and Silver, why would peasants care for liquidity if the economy is doing fine on things like export? Liquidity sounds like a noble/banking/merchant issue. I'd definitely see that as a revolt factor for a banking entity that is entirely focused on currency.... maybe.

[@A.R._Ironstar]

@@papiew1 Imagine it as they aren't getting paid because there is no liquidity for the nobility and merchants to pay them for their work. No pay for their work, no money to buy food, makes sense they would get all upset.

[@guildam7105]

Damn I wonder how AI is gonna cheat in this system or be extremely inefficient

[@devrannam1420]

good

[@Greatludde12]

Joking aside I have actually lost my wallet with around a thousand Norwegian kroner and my bank card.

[@kirbyone]

History degree ❌ Economics degree ✅

[@rostomer4854]

Ha! i am subscribed and i still have my wallet. don't know where my second wallet though.

[@dreadvoice7285]

Boutta get an MBA to play Stellaris 2

[@SomeOne1121]

I have a masters degree in economics. Doubt it matters.

[@arvidgreat]

Well fuck then I will never be able to play this game.

[@RevanLegend]

Technically, you can also be a trade hegemon in any node in EU 4. You just need to funnel into your main node and control trade in node/nodes upstream to stop other countries from leaking gold.

[@Nameless-sq6fq]

Hmmm it doesn't sound that complex and beside eu5 going to be economic game

[@94mpe]

Looks like a straight ctrl c, ctrl v from meiou and taxes. I approve ❤

[@LudietHistoria]

SAME, love that tbh

[@94mpe]

@LudietHistoria Makes sense since, if i can recall, some of the mod team got hired by Johan

[@edwxx20001]

Hopefuly the game is doing all the calculations for us and SHOWING that cost/profit. the breakdown is nice, but having a player do all that math is unreasonable.

[@s7rika7ul]

The UI kinda looks kinda bad… :(

[@MDevion]

Yeah. This not what EU is about. Its going to fail hard. Nobody is waiting for Vic 3 style EU4. Devs are tone deaf.

[@Ez3kiel_]

Ludi please give me my wallet back, I've been subscribed for a few months and i still can't find it 😢.

[@SubjectYeti]

helo

[@alessandrotatini3161]

Ludi wallet insurance inc.

[@M4cc4n4]

You always give Lumber as an example because of the evil thieving lumber company that operates in romania but based in another european country

[@triko03]

Hope it is kinda compatible with the vic3 trade system to make converters better

[@hoyinching9313]

Or you just need to play EU5 to get an Economics degree XD

[@solastorm7]

will we get vic5 before gta6?

[@CharlesOffdensen]

I have economics degree. But what kind of a PC would I need for this game?

[@Fact-ze5cg]

Ludi give me back my wallet!!!

[@LudietHistoria]

NO >.

[@turkeyswag2831]

Good thing i'm getting a Econ degree then lol

[@nickhancockgolf]

Thank god I do have an economics degree. Lol

[@KoRbA2310]

LIES AND DECEPTION! You ate my friend you monster!

[@AHappyCub]

Omw to get a 2nd degree to play a game (EVE Online moment)

[@ussbode]

first

[@taikutsunaneko9125]

"Breweries can turn fruit in to wine, but I can turn ____ in to _____." Wrong answers only cause there is no right one.

[@GothGrlToes]

Yeah, I hope the radicalization over goods isnt too annoying. EU5 seems to be a lot so far. Lets see if they can pull it off…

[@sanguisbumb6138]

What great irony that I’m in college for an economics degree right now.

[@dearg_doom]

That's councidence, not irony