Agents of Mayhem and the Art of Bad Storytelling [SSFF]

[@everforward5561]

The Saturday morning feel doesn't work when it's sociopaths vs sociopaths.

[@sugoiuseismoeabuse4058]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to say they're trying to mock the satam feel when they're acting like the very things sat am heroes condemn and fight against.

[@AmedeusMkII]

Mike Salucci I don't know, it worked when Venture Bros. did it.

[@DudeMcPunchy]

I love it for this, but the story is still very very thin

[@GeteMachine]

I really didn't know until this video that the AOM were supposed to be criminals... Its pretty sad that they wrote the game so happy-go-lucky and childish that I couldn't see that. Unlike SR2 and SR3. The writing just gets worse.

[@metalmugen]

I really hope the rumors that Saints Row 5 is going back to the original roots are true. This game not doing well will definitely be a wake up call for Volition

[@Graywolf_The_45th]

Haven't heard those rumors but i'm slightly concerned by that term "going back to the original roots" because that could actually mean them going back to what made an entry like Saints Row 2 such a beloved game, or it could be Saint's Row 4/Dead Rising 4's definition of "Going back to it's roots"

[@PepperKatLancer]

if you played this game no that is not happening there too PC now

[@ughman7694]

Kappakappa duk fuck u bitch

[@wareagle3065]

It's simple, If no one from the any of the original teams of 1,2,3rd or 4 are on the 5 staff then you better be super cautious. Empty statements with simplified gameplay is what's to be expected at that point.

[@adeptdamage3669]

Unlike Dead Rising 4 Saints Row 4 was actually good..

[@xMasterSparku]

You don't lose outposts when you go back to the Ark, you lose them whenever you do major events like Golems, Weather Machines, or Fracking Machines (I think that's the name)

[@SuzuNoUtaTX]

Hey Grace it’s not Derek and this is Stop Skeletons from Fighting.

[@tinahurtz8411]

Mayhem seems to be a conceptual representation of the Illuminati just like the Galactic Empire in Star Wars, MAD in Inspector Gadget or... the Illuminati in Deux Ex.

[@Bananabeamsaber]

Definitely loving the contributions by Grace! Keep up the great work! :)

[@qwertyMrJINX]

Honestly, after Saints Row 3 and IV, it's really best not to expect anything in terms of story from Volition. How they thought going from "Serious, if over-the-top, Crime Drama with silly side missions," to "lolrandom S&M Luchadors" was a good transition is beyond me.

[@Zer0Hour17]

Well it was a good idea because 1 and 2 suck and 3 and 4 are fantastic.

[@SwirlyGlassesMO]

qwertyMrJINX I'd have even been fine with the silliness if Saints Row 3 (regardless of patches and consoles) wasn't a glitch riddled mess. I don't know how many missions I had to restart because a key character/vehicle never spawned or because I had to wipe out an entire group and they just spawned infinitely. Hell, I passed the one where you had to follow Kenzie in the chopper because the chopper randomly stopped functioning, crashed, I survived, and somehow it counted it as a pass.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Zinyak was an awesome villain, tho.

[@megamarsonic]

"1 and 2 suck" get out.

[@MrValBar2]

Just realised. Isn't Yakuza a "Serious, if over-the-top, Crime Drama with silly side missions" as well?

[@deathsceane]

So Agents of Mayhem is supposed to have some kind of relation to Saints Row while trying to top Overwatch by having a single player campaign that deconstructs the Saturday Morning cartoon. I'm pretty sure that concept will be lost to a large portion of whoever is playing. Me personally I like that a game would have a single player campaign, in fact, I wish Overwatch had one so I could still play it in some way if and when the servers shut down. It's probably why I was so disappointed with LawBreakers. Fun game, but online only.

[@shekemov]

Well, as I heard it's not only a spin-off, BUT ALSO a reboot of Saints Row. From what I've heared, the ending of "Gat out of hell', where Johnny asked for a new Earth is canon. They even showed after credits him and bunch of other saints as some sort of police officers in this new world.

[@khog143]

Lol, "nobody gives a damn about Overwatched (sic)" is a ridiculously stupid statement. I have never touched it, but it has over 30 millions registered players in its lifespan, and at any given time has around 300k concurrent players. That is huge. Just because you don't like it mean no one does.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Plus you can't remotely say you're competing with Overwatch when the game has no multiplayer. It's not even the same kind of game, so why is it trying to compete with it?

[@j6ajackson34]

You can play saints row The thrid.

[@Lewis1115]

shekemov And Gat was going to question Persephone Brimstone.

[@MoonBeamLaser]

I wanted this game to be good... 😞

[@mistergremm735]

MoonBeamLaser It's decent but dont have huge expectations for plot

[@tinahurtz8411]

Personally I was hoping it'd be shitty so I'm really psyched.

[@ughman7694]

Tina Hurtz fuck your condescending tone bitch

[@ughman7694]

Kappakappa duk ur making me mad and I'm about to mess u up fool

[@tinahurtz8411]

Get a room you two.

[@Kreeschon]

Maybe a big ask but can we get more Producer Grace videos? I love me some Uncle Derek, but Grace is a natural

[@GELTONZ]

Can I just say: I beg of you PLEASE give Saints Row 2 a chance. I know what it LOOKS like on the outside, but there's a reason why many people prefer it over 3 and 4 and it's not just the slightly more serious tone but rather a better more detailed city with far more to do and waaay more customization options than 3 and 4. 3 and 4 are far more polished, sure, but at the costly price of an engine reboot. Seriously, give Saints Row 2 a chance. It's not the game you think it is.

[@GeteMachine]

How about playing SR1?

[@amydevonshire4652]

To me I perfer saints row 2 because it's way better than row 3&4 because saints row 2 had a solid story, funny moments and good damn the best part of it was carlos's death because it was done so well and it made me cry.

[@spooky6703]

I feel like 3 had the best gameplay, but 2 nailed the tone perfectly, smash those two together and you have solid gold.

[@planetschlock]

Plus, it felt like Saints Row 2 had loads more customization and things to explore than SR3 andSR 4. I thought SR3 was a massive disappointment but I was able to temper my expectations for Saints Row 4 and enjoyed it enough.

[@lpsoldin3162]

Saints Row 2 had the best tone but it is honestly the most atrocious game in the series with how it handles, the gameplay, and the segments themselves that they expect you to do. I don't care for the story in Saints Row 3, but *playing* Saints Row 2 is just an exercise in masochism.

[@GeteMachine]

​@@lpsoldin3162 I don't know. SR3 & 4 do better with fleshing out the character personalities a lot more than SR2 did. In SR2 aside from Shaundi, the characters were very 1 dimensional. It didn't have a 'perfect' tone. It was just very straight forward. AOM though to me has underwhelming gameplay though which is even worse for a current gen game. Its all flash. HUD takes up the screen, movement is a bit wonky and driving feels sluggish again like SR1 & SR2s.

[@lpsoldin3162]

@@GeteMachine That's fair, thought I never said SR2 had perfect tone. I thought it had a better tone because it played things more seriously and less as a parody. I agree the characters were flat, but the plot it's self and the mechanics going into it were more interesting to me. It's more of a matter of taste though. I don't like the style of humour SR3 and onwards has. It's the same reason I don't like Guardians of the Galaxy movies. I'd rather explore that universe than to have characters making a joke out of it.

[@GPO1_Gaming]

Omg they used the original crackdown intro song at 1:58 omg thank you thats my favorite game of all time

[@GPO1_Gaming]

Its at 1:58

[@ChrisLeeW00]

Sometimes a studio needs to make a dud so they can see what works and what doesn't. There is still hope for SR5!

[@punishedcaptainfrog1993]

I honestly didn't even know this game existed until a week before it came out via a few adverts

[@TheT3rr0rMask]

Single player only? Guess every time I see quirky cosplay-friendly cover art I see an Overwatch rip off

[@Roxfox]

A bit of constructive criticism: I was interested in the topic of this video, based on the title, but I feel like it lacked focus, I found it hard to pay attention to what point was being made, and now that it's over... I don't know, maybe I was distracted by something else, but I'm honestly not sure what the verdict was beyond "this game's story is worse than SR3" which I already knew.

[@dsandoval9396]

No, I felt the same thing. The title is "The Art of Bad Story Telling" like they're going to go into a detailed (to somewhat detailed) point by point basis of why the the 'storytelling' was not good in the game. She did go over points but I felt she was all over the place in the issues mentioned, sort of like if all the info is there but thrown together in such a way one point she makes bleeds into another point she's making. So by the end of the video (I think) I should walk away and say, "So apparently 'this', 'this', and 'these' things were the issue..." And instead I can kind of pick a few subjects but am not sure of any defining points she was trying to make, unless I go over the video again, which I don't want to do. Kind of like a run-on sentence, all the information is there, but one point is indistinguishable from the next. She DID have a sweat voice.

[@ShinLadFGC]

What is the song played at the end?

[@Jofe000]

A shame, when I heard that the game was single player I was relieved that it wasn't another game trying to be Overwatch (even though it would seems like Volition was already working on it when Overwatch was announced). Also it would seem like the game would have benefited of having more cities (something that Yahtzee pointed out when he noticed the map was kinda small) and it would have made sense storywise. Since (apparently) Legion already won why not have Seoul, or South Korea as a whole, as the last free place and then you move to free other countries and get closer to Legion's HQ for the final showdown.

[@TheJaleelSmith]

Jofe_co i

[@DudeMcPunchy]

The ark does not reset your progress, it reloads the kinda bland side missions, you can go to the ark without losing progress. This actually has a story reason, since legion is operating and also taking over contested land, just like you are. If anything those mission are just to level up your characters, since this game gets grindy sometimes.

[@specknacken6507]

Your Saints Row 3 Boss looks rad as hell.

[@Dongled]

I. Loved. Saints Row 3 and 4! SO GOOD! Probably the two games I've spent the most time with from the past two generations. When I heard and saw Agents of Mayhem, I instantly passed. I loved the goofy, ridiculousness, the fun cast of characters, and the fantastic gameplay that was very pick up and play. I really wanted to find out what happened after Saints Row 4, and I'm bummed that we got this instead.

[@maxkliegl2001]

Saints Row 4 is so bad though!!

[@Dongled]

@@maxkliegl2001 That is your opinion and your entitled to it. Game is amazing IMO.

[@ResetButtonFilms]

Shoutout to the Katamari Damacy music at the end there, Woot!

[@fellowshipofgaming847]

It was so obvious that the devs were using Saint's Row likeness to sale this game. I still don't understand why they just didn't make another Saint's Row?

[@mechayamcha]

this game was so bad i paid $3 for it and still felt ripped off.

[@RoanokeSan]

" Saints Row 3 and 4, two of our favorite games from the last generation." You mean 2 and 4.

[@keijijohnson9754]

Destroyer on the Road You have your favorites, they have theirs.

[@FRAMEINTOFOCUS]

Yeah! More ssff

[@DeadNoob451]

Hey Ultor is from RedFaction not Saintsrow

[@tevatinnx2690]

DeadNoob same universe.

[@DudeMcPunchy]

it isnt, it was claimed non canon by the writers, both ultors just share the same name

[@cocoaquiet2709]

Yeah, it's confirmed not to be the same universe when Earth got blown up in SR4, while RF2 takes place on Earth

[@TheAlison1456]

i like the intro animation

[@omnisel]

I personally think there could be more emotion in the speech, but otherwise I really liked this review/analysis!

[@omnisel]

I think she has potential. If she didn't force that fry and spoke with more genuine enthusiasm / emotion, I think she would be as good of a speaker as Derek and others. For example, during streams and Is It Really That Bad, I can actually hear when she's jolly, and has emotion in what she's saying. In all fairness, the script wasn't the best for speaking (As far as I could tell). Read and sounded very formal-esque. It needed more focus. It's as if she was turning in an essay to be graded and not for a video on YT about something in an editorial / opinion piece sort of purpose.

[@omnisel]

could i have been any more condescending wow past me! you can have constructive criticism without being a prick! or can you? idk. but ech, "she has potential", shut up dipstick.

[@jamesbevan9939]

It really is sad to see Volition has stepped backwards. The concept was great, but from what you said it really feels like the devs had no idea what to focus on and created a cluttered mess. Personally, I had low expectations from the start when I learned that there wouldn't be any character customization. That was one of the greatest features of the Saints Row games, and if that was gone, I feared that there would be more fun aspects cut or scaled back.

[@Cawktism]

They got Nolan North to say "Hangry" 10/10

[@suhfee]

four years late but grace-led videos>>>

[@witchfynder_finder]

Man, Grace, your narration style has REALLY improved since your first SSFF video! You sound so much more confident in your delivery now and it really improves the whole experience~ I was always a fan of yours, but it's still really great to see how much you've improved and how quickly you've done it.

[@Issac_The_Last_N7]

Going to get flak for this but I enjoyed saints row 4 and finished it 1 week before agents of mayhem. So to my surprise I was kinda excited for this game until I did the research -_-

[@DudeMcPunchy]

I played every saints row game for probably longer than 200 hours, let me tell you that the gameplay in AoM far outweighs the bad story

[@user-nd7rg5er5g]

Thank you for the excellent breakdown!

[@earthnugs]

The second I saw this game, knowing nothing other than that Volition was behind it, I immediately Googled whether or not it had split-screen co-op since it looks perfect for it. Of course, it's built for single-player to seemingly no real benefit. Considering the sheer lack of couch co-op in today's market, I would have forgiven *a lot* of shortcomings as long as the gameplay held up. Talk about a missed opportunity.

[@napalmkitty6686]

Also i thought the agents of mayhem were the cops of seoul?

[@freyja-athena957]

Is that... is that the crackdown theme in the background?

[@AlucardsQuest]

I'm not interested in these types of games, but I'm interested to see where gaming is going. And in response to the comments, I think her voice has improved.

[@Malicient]

I hate the fact this game turned out so disappointing, and is not doing so well because of it. I REALLY hope they can get back on track and get a hit out, and save the company, because I have family members who work there on the dev team, and they were hit hard when the layoffs happened and several of their friends and co-workers had to leave.

[@Powerhouse1]

I've learned about vocal fry from the comments section.

[@sloppyjimboxiuxiu]

Also, Derek is dead. He died a year ago. Grace killed him. She uses a clone now.

[@Powerhouse1]

Kappakappa duk No, it is a wealth of knowledge that needs to be shared to the world (sarcasm)

[@sloppyjimboxiuxiu]

Are you guys being sarcastic? I can't tell.

[@mistergremm735]

Are you sure, you guys played *Get out of hell?*

[@BADC0FFEE]

they played Gat out of hell

[@jtracks9904]

Why would anybody want to play gat out of hell its fucking Horrible

[@cillid2381]

Loving that throwback crackdown music

[@yuurou7927]

Massive lost potential. Did the writer of SR4 left or sth? The humor is just...low, painfully low. Online hero shooter and single player experience differ drastically. Let's just say, Overwatch for example, got a story deep as a puddle, detailed as a bootleg action figure, relavant as ghost busters in ninja turtles. Is that going to affect game experience? Nope. However if a single player game got the similar condition, it's gonna make players feel unfocused at best.

[@PepperKatLancer]

from what I heard he left and the other guys to PC.

[@JoomBow]

Steve Jaros, the writer of Saints Row 1-4 left to work at Valve.

[@yuurou7927]

Oh shit he did leave...now that explains a lot. Thanks for the info guys.

[@yuurou7927]

Jordi Nuñez I agree with you partially. Overwatch has a very detailed and deep lore, not story imo. The story bits were disconnected with gameplay, they don't offer scenario focused experience. It's overwatch's identity, not a bad thing, just different.

[@qinlongfei]

Louis Belmont Agrees wholeheartedly. The Elder Scroll is another franchise with massively extensive, and often bizarre and exotic lore. But the story in every single game goes from mildly shitty to absolutely shit.

[@docheckfire3979]

Totally agree, great points, spot on, Grace. Keep up the great content!

[@Ike_of_pyke]

SR2 was a better balance of that drama and goofiness. 3 was too much on the goof.

[@GeteMachine]

3 still had balance just not enough seriousness and no drama. SR4 is where it had more drama but no seriousness.

[@normalguy3224]

Thank god this isn't saints row 5 and just a spinnof. I hope se5 will be like 3 and 2.

[@tsarbutterfly663]

I think Deep Silver and Volition should just stick to Saints Row sequels.

[@supermario35327]

shouldn't the happy video game nerd have talked about this game?

[@Revegelance]

I was unfamiliar with this game until now, but from what I've seen, I really like the idea of this game, since a Single Player campaign is the main thing that I wish Overwatch had. Too bad it's such a mess.

[@dnightwalker]

This game's look and feel reminds me so much of Fortnite that I wonder if it would of done better had it implemented a BR mode. Not saying it needs one, just as a mental exercise.

[@Dynamode8]

I felt this game should of been in development a little longer or something. It's a shame really, this game had potential. I mean it's a overall fun game, beat it myself, but it lacks a sense of direction throughout. As for the story, that Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe, don't expect much man lol.

[@ngmajora6986]

Agents of Mayhem literally looks like a bad Overwatch fanfic

[@jimm7346]

My thoughts exactly

[@Kaileighblue]

I think I was fighting the idea that I didn't really like the game for a while. I do like playing it but yeah everything you said. Plus they don't have multiple saves so me and my roommate couldn't play the game at the same time so I felt rushed to finish to let him play. It feels a bit like Crackdown 1, which I had been playing before AoM came out. It's fun to play but there's no real reason I feel like I should be doing this stuff. At least Crackdown just cut the fluff and made more shit for you to get into. Maybe that's why some Crackdown music is in there? Trying to be subtle? Yeap this comment section is exactly what you'd expect from any discussion about volition. BUT MUH SAINTS ROW 2.

[@DylanDekk]

SR3 is the highlight of open world games to me. The over-the-topness just grew and grew from the first one (and I played them all in order), but things just lost it at 4 for me because of the whole "simulation" thing. Maybe it's just because I don't like superhero stuff, but SR4 and Agents of Mayhem went a little too far out of the vibe I felt was maximized by The Third. Hopefully SR5 becomes a thing and maybe takes a step back away from the superhero theme.

[@JCOdrjones]

I think you're giving Saints Row 3 too much credit for its story. Plus 2 has a radically better story that's also told better. Also, don't act as if the super boring and uninteresting Steelport is better than the city in AoM. Just by how it looks, it's better.

[@KnukkleJoeShow]

Guypersonmanthing3 better story, but dated as hell gameplay, and that's from someone who likes 2-4.

[@JCOdrjones]

KnukkleJoeShow As if the game play of 3 isn't gonna be dated in a few years, or already is. It's less "modern", sure, but it works well, especially for it's era. It's closer to older GTAs, which depending who you are, is dated or not, but at least everyone still loves San Andreas.

[@KnukkleJoeShow]

Guypersonmanthing3 San Andreas came out 4 years before saints row 2 and when the formula for open world shooters was still new, saints row 2 came out around the time of GTA 4 and while both story and gameplay were better, the controls (which is what I meant instead of gameplay my bad) were. Worse due to the GTA shift to the modern style we know.

[@KnukkleJoeShow]

Guypersonmanthing3 also 3s controls might be if they find a smoother control scheme then the one presented, and I'll be ready to admit it when it does

[@adeptdamage3669]

Saints Row Third's gameplay was not dated.

[@TheGameStampede]

Cool I have this game, but you know what.

[@BADC0FFEE]

I just got my Stop Skeletons From Fighting t-shirt, awww yeah.

[@MrCARTMAN600]

Johnny Gat's death was poorly executed. Thank God they retcon it in sr4

[@SwirlyJoe]

Saints Row 4 was complete crap. People complain about Assassin's Creed games being similar, yet SR4 was 85% recycled from SR3. It even reused the same city

[@lunarnocturne]

SwirlyJoe I would have appreciated SR3 and 4 even more if the games were under a different name and branding.

[@ArtifiSir]

What a silly thing to say, virtual Steelport is much different from Earth Steelport after playing both recently.

[@GeteMachine]

+AetherStar SR4 definitely felt more like it should have been a Destroy All Humans game.

[@keijijohnson9754]

Huh? Strange, I could’ve swore that, outside the reused city, people liked Saints Row 4. Just because you four didn’t like it doesn’t mean everyone else hates it too. Same with The Third, also.

[@NightRanma]

Damn, Grace nailed this episode. I was excited for agents of mayhem even knowing it was only single player. It's a decent game but nowhere near what it could, or SHOULD have been. I was expecting so much more, and all this game really did was make me want another awesome saints row game. I really hope volition manage to get their shit together. It would suck if they turned into another gearbox, only having one good series then pissing everyone off releasing bad games while everyone just asks for the one decent thing they do. (I know volition has done more than just saints row that was good, but still)

[@rustyricardo6532]

Dat DJ screw

[@LinziOfficial]

Nice video! Your voice sounds higher though, are you on HRT?

[@elblogdelfeno]

Wait, is Grace trans? Not that it matters.

[@sloppyjimboxiuxiu]

Grace isn't human.

[@AlucardsQuest]

No, that's Linkara's ex.

[@Grachtnakk]

AlucardsQuest Don't say that name, I'm getting nasty flashbacks.

[@Brandon_519]

IMO these hacks haven't made a good game since Red Faction Guerilla. SR2 was the last good SR.

[@slvrcobra1337]

Yeah it's really sad. Guerrilla was such an amazing game, I'm not sure if they still own the rights to Red Faction but if they do, a _true_ follow-up to Guerilla should be the next thing they do. SR is dead at this point.

[@Wyrrlicci]

I was so excited for this game when it came out and Man oh man was I disappointed...

[@jtracks9904]

If you have played saint row 3,4 and gay out of hell and actually enjoyed playing it then there’s clearly something wrong with you

[@hubabuaba6099]

In my opinion this is a good game

[@TekMoliGy]

I dont' think its fair to compare it to saturday morning cartoons. From the looks of it it would remind me more of a toonami anime than the old 80s cartoons you're trying to compare it to. Plus just becauses something is animated doesn't mean it should have to act like all other animated cartoons.

[@SwirlyGlassesMO]

I thought a TON of the stuff this video said can be applied to at least SR3 (never bothered with 4 after that). I loved SR1 and thought SR2 topped GTA IV. And I would've enjoyed 3 if the missions weren't glorified tutorials.They made fun, varied missions in 1 and 2 just fine so they don't deserve a pass on that. Once it became mini game/activity time, it made me feel like doing any of those activities was just "replaying an old mission". And you constantly mention "the boss" in SR3. You mean the one that dies just a few missions into the game and then constantly shifts between characters until the Luchadore forces himself into place for good? Isn't there a better case for "establishing a villain" than a game where one of its story elements is the power struggle at the top of the enemy group? And let's not even get into the glitches; key items/enemies not spawning, enemy waves being trapped or spawning far away from where they should (or inside walls), on-rail vehicle segments ending with a random crash or spontaneous combustion...it stuns me everyone has such fond memories of this game when, regardless of PS3 or 360, it often felt like I was playing some unpolished convention beta, not the retail release. I mean, when you're talking an overstuffed game with nothing fun to do where you feel like progress doesn't matter, this game sounds like a perfect sequel to Saints Row 3.

[@punkydudester3]

I can tell you love He-man & Skeletor, you love to hate Skeletor. I see you have a deep nostalgia for He-man as do I. Very cool chicky. I certainly agree with your opinions 🤘

[@Filip_Agrippa]

I wanted this to be good, because I like the style and premise of the game and I hoped it was gonna be like Saints Row and have a god damned CO-OP. When I played the game, summoned a car and it killed 6 people and destroyed 2 cars with drivers in it and nobody gave a fuck, I was like... "ok, so am I supposed to be a hero or a villian?" The gameplay is really meh, like it was unfinished, it's repetitive and the jokes are not funny, they don't have any point or punchline, they are just shallow memes.

[@OmegaRastaGod18]

Ok sweet cakes in the trailer and in the interviews they said its not saints row and its a different game taking callbacks from from a game similar to agent of mayhem. And not to hate but agents of mayhem shouldnt be compared with overwatch because then it makes agents of mayhem look like a clone and this is the same fate the saints row series had been ridacuel for because gta fans were being jerks to a series that wanted to be its self but anyway. Saints row and Agents of mayhem shouldnt be compared because there different games with different story lines.

[@filialuvssquigly7447]

Huh I guess I am the only person in the world that liked this game. I guess it helps that I'm not a fan of multi player games. I even play my fighters in single player 80% of the time. So I guess I liked it because I been wanting a single player hero shooter.

[@larsmarsh7181]

I know this is a small thing but never say "me personally" again. As a joke it isn't funny.

[@TheModernGafa]

Who's still mad about this game 3 years later?

[@xxxbc42]

can anyone tell me what the song at that starts at 1:45? i have this vague memory of it but have no idea what its from

[@Cannotbetamed1]

It's nice to hear your voice more on the channel, Grace :)

[@keijijohnson9754]

Cannot be Tamed - Meh... It’s unfortunate really since she was not as pleasing or enjoyable to listen to as much as Derek has been. But to each its own I guess.

[@OmegaRastaGod18]

But volition and deepsilver could have did alot better

[@pseudobleedingheart9075]

Looks like all 70 people who played this game disliked this video.

[@mrsaintsgodzilla21]

I wish more gamers played Saints Row 1&2. They would realize that the games AREN'T "GTA clones" but instead game's that stand on their own with amazing story campaigns. SR3 was basically a reboot for a younger, inmature audience. Such a shame what's happen to the franchise.

[@Kenshiro3rd]

mrsaintsgodzilla21 I played them and the hell they weren't.

[@GeteMachine]

They were though, Design wise it was entirely a vice-city copy. It just had its potential with a story they failed to build around. Design wise SR1 & SR2 really aren't anything outside the stereotypical sandbox crime game. The series definitely needs a reboot.

[@capscaps04]

why does it take places in south korea and has japanese stuff?

[@IwantShawn]

I hate saints row 3 and 4- too much meta humor and a narcissistic self-awareness. I dont want to dedicate hours to something that doesn't want to take itself seriously and then shoehorn in some dramatic elements here and there without ever setting up a proper tone for it. Feel like Saints 2 did a much better job with balancing humor and dramatic elements.

[@j6ajackson34]

Try saints row 1

[@IwantShawn]

I did, 2 was better. Wasn't bad though.

[@DevineInnovations]

"Oh, you like over-the-top gameplay and comedy in your game? Well, now we made the game so over the top and comedic that now it's just one complete joke! What? You don't like it? We gave you what you want!"

[@DevineInnovations]

I didn't even play 4 because it looked like they took everything bad about 3 and made it worse.

[@slvrcobra1337]

Devine Interventions - Yup. Like, this is what fans of SR2 have been saying the whole time. Now Saints Row is so far up its own ass, the people that enjoyed the "lolrandom" 3 and 4 don't even like it.

[@SFinerFACE]

Awesome video, Grace!!! I'm hoping theres a sequel to AoM- maybe with another try they can nail down what they're shooting for.

[@JaysRMrO93]

This was the first game I uninstalled before finishing it, it was so bad I couldnt get myself to continue playing it. I felt so bored by the storyline and the gameplay was visually good but monotonous as hell.

[@maxyliano]

Thank you for the review! I am still interested in trying out this game, though, I love the Saints Row games so I would give it a chance nontheless. Cheers!

[@Crit-Chance]

Not to mention they completely botched the PC optimization.

[@hairy_cornflake]

But is it supposed to be a story-driven game? I don't think so. Oh and it's not a Saints Row game, that's why they even changed the name. It was supposed to be called Saints Row Agents Of Mayhem, bu they dropped it because it was different. And seriously, SR2 was the best episode not 3 or 4!

[@planetschlock]

SR3 and wasn't half the game that SR2 was. I played through 3 and 4 once or twice and never so much as looked at them again. But I could boot up SR2 on any given day and get lost in that game for hours like I did back when I first got it 10 years ago.

[@harapaki3412]

I like the game other than it forcing lgbt ideology on people ..........

[@MethosChannel]

Looks like an alpha version of Overwatch and then put it in a shitty 3rd person game.

[@FunnyHandleThatIHaveToEnter]

I bet your xbox 360 will die next video

[@scottrastyles2592]

Crackdown musiiic

[@MadYokeYT]

Single player genre? wtf?

[@samvimes9510]

Volition gets _way_ too much credit. Saints Row 2 was the only good game they've ever made. SR3 was alright, but it was nowhere near as entertaining, and SR4 was just plain awful. They dropped the satire completely in favor of stupid random jokes and the wanna-be Tron aesthetic was an eyesore.

[@GeteMachine]

They really lost direction. Their better written games SR1 & 2 were obscure because they were creative and had no visual appeal. Nobody would have bothered with it if not for character creation. They were visually 90% San andreas rip-offs with less depth and more chaotic amateur gameplay. Then SR4 was the complete opposite and lacks actual direction for the sake of standing out to wow the meme audience. I agree Volition only did half of what they are praised for by a fluke. They said themselves a lot of SR1 &2 were asspulled scenarios the thought were cool. SR3 & 4 had asspulled scenarios that were just shallow pop-culture nods at the time. Agents of Mayhem is this at its worst.

[@GeteMachine]

I honestly think SR2 is overrated compared to GTA 5.

[@JazGalaxy]

Story is ALWAYS diametrically opposed to gameplay. And gameplay is always diametrically opposed to storytelling. The best you can manage is to try to strike a balance on the scale that satisfies some people.

[@cixlo]

Go over why sonic stories are bad too. Start with blaze.

[@Thunderbolt210]

I wonder what part of agents of mayhem said it was saints row...it seems to me you went into the game looking for saints row and got agents of mayhem instead. And since you didn't get saints row you decided to compare agents of mayhem to saints row........even tho it's not saints row.....hmmmm

[@KnukkleJoeShow]

Thunderbolt210 what part of it was saints row? You mean aside from 2 characters from the series being characters (3 if you count the gat dlc) with pierce's backstory being a retelling of saints row 1 without the saints, references to the morning star and aisha ( who sings a jpop version of bounce like my checks did back in the day) and the giant purple saints fluer de lis over everything. I haven't the slightest clue. On a more serious note. The problem is that I don't think even volition knew how much the wanted it to connect to saints row, if it wanted to be it's own thing then the references to the saints needed to be cut down by alot, if it's in an alternate universe of the saints multiverse, then you would think it would match the insanity levels that even saints row 2 went to ( especially given the satuday morning 90's action cartoon vibe)

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Thunderbolt210 The game looks like Saints Row, uses a lot of iconography from Saints Row, is over the top as fuck like the last two Saints Rows, it has *several cameos FROM Saints Row* and was plainly marketed as another Saints Row without the franchise branding. Dude, they made a Saints Row game with none of the love behind it. It's like Mighty No. 9, only nowhere near as catastrophically bad. Licensing issues aside, MN9 *is* Mega Man from a lot of returning devs without the branding...and it heavily suffered because it missed the point. Similar situation with this, only Volition could have made this SR5 but made a poor knock off of themselves.

[@Thunderbolt210]

KnukkleJoeShow system shock 2 and bio shock have very similar styles(not sure if you played system shock) made by the same devolper, even some of the characters are there but system shock 2 is not bio shock and bio shock is not system shock 2. Just because agents of mayhem is inspired by saints row and even has saints row characters.....DOESNT MEAN it's saint row. That's my point your comparing it to saints row but it's not saints row, compare it to the other squad based shooters but your simplifying it by saying it's made by the guys who mad saint row and it plays like saint row but it's not good because it's not saints row. The game can be bad that's fine but say it's bad compared to lawbreakers or battleborn or overwatch you know the games it's actually trying to be like.

[@Kenshiro3rd]

Normally I dig your vids and value your opinions. This is one case however I can only shake my head in disgust. Good god is this a smear vid. The story wasn't great. However it was enjoyable and ANYTHING but complicated or confusing. It was quite literally just GI Joe (Mayhem) vs Cobra(Legion)... aka EXACTLY what the Animated opening of Agent's established. Not only did it do that but it established that Legion took over by SHOWING instead of telling. You are LITERALLY overthinking and completely misrepresenting things. You are looking for depth in the characters and story that isn't there. In the process you are making things confusing. You are also completely ignoring the fact that all the characters have clearly defined backstories and motivations that are developed in their own story missions... a fact that you conveniently omit as it completely contradicts your assertion to the contrary. That's assuming you even bothered to play the character missions. Also shit doesn't reset when you return to the Ark. Taking over a Legion Base causes Doomsday & Frac Machines to Appear. Taking care of Frac Machine and Doomsday Devices causes Legion to retake their Bases. So long as you leave the Doomsday & Frac Machines alone your progress doesn't get wiped and you can do all the story and side missions you want.

[@FerroMagelock]

I really like the game. The characters are dumb fun, the action is a blast, and the aesthetic amusing.

[@ArtifiSir]

Getting every agent to super agent 20+20 you are completely right. Heading next to Friday's desk let's you see an impressive look into the personalities and histories of each agent. And for the major saints row fans, there are plenty of little references hidden in there, some revealed when seeing certain agents resting in the ARK.

[@Lewis1115]

Dialogue is given between agents when you are exploring, such as: Gat asking kingpin if they've met before, braddock and friday hiding their relationship from other agents, other agents moaning at hardtack for his singing keeping them up at night etc.

[@ChrisMagoo99]

smear vid? they're just sharing an opinion

[@ChrisMagoo99]

HackmantheMaster to be fair he said that for things like journey to silius which was how many years ago?

[@RewindMike]

That Crackdown beat though ❤

[@narukiuubi]

Who the hell at volition thought this was gonna be a good idea?