Is Messmer Hiding Marika's Secret?

Messmer has mommy issues
TIMESTAMPS ▼▼▼
00:00 Intro
00:59 Dialogue
11:00 Imagery
13:44 Outro
SPECIAL THANKS TO
Lee and Jamie :)
ELDEN RING Shadow of the Erdtree takes players beyond the Lands Between to explore the Land of Shadow, a completely new world from ELDEN RING. Players can seamlessly travel back and forth between its vast maps interspersed with diverse situations and meticulous dungeons where menacing enemies roam.
★ Twitch: / agtjaketv
★ Discord: / discord
★ 2nd Channel: / @allgoodthingsvods
► Elden Ring Lore Playlist: • Elden Ring
► Elden Ring 100% Walkthrough Playlist: • 100% Walkthrough
Shadow of the Erdtree, Elden Ring DLC, Elden Ring, Reaction, DLC, Action RPG, Gameplay, Analysis, Speculation, Elden Ring trailer breakdown, DLC, Lore, Elden Ring story, FromSoftware, New content, Breakdown, Open world, Elden Ring update, theory, breakdown, George R. R. Martin, Story Trailer

[@agtjake]

Messmer has mommy issues

[@gofish2365]

parental issues lead to some serious shit. lol.

[@Banuune]

Definitly!

[@ObstrukBand]

Fr

[@irgendwer3610]

basically every child of Radika

[@eddyh5]

And probably daddy issues too.. 😵

[@oaktownraider119]

Miquella giving us the guidance of grace may be a huge reveal. It will change the whole way we look at our actions in the game. It will also explain torrent and the spirit calling bell

[@zaruuchshekel5806]

Sry but isnt this long confirmed that the grace is guiding you?

[@oaktownraider119]

@@zaruuchshekel5806grace does guide the tarnished. But it had to be given back to them. Think, why did our tarnished receive a speck of grace unlike the others mentioned in the opening sequence? Could’ve been miquella giving it to us. We may not have been intended to receive grace at all.

[@zaruuchshekel5806]

@@oaktownraider119 what do you mean given back?

[@oaktownraider119]

@@zaruuchshekel5806 in the intro scene. You can see grace returning to godfrey, fia, gideon, goldmask and dungeater. Our tarnished receives a small speck of grace. One can speculate we may not have been intended to receive grace at all, unless maybe miquella gave it to us. Hoping we did XYZ.

[@zaruuchshekel5806]

@@oaktownraider119 oh wow i never noticed thanks for clarifying dawg, you the man

[@LadyMaleniia]

It's all fun and games until miquella finds out that you killed malenia.

[@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately]

You could start the DLC without killing her

[@nickerslarge3776]

Great comment lady!! I think when you touch the arm and it takes you to the shadow lands Miquella appears and says “whoa whoa hold up cuz, so you wanna explore this brand new land and learn some top secret shit after you ended sissy’s life? Man, fuck that! You 40 short son. No soap for you.”

[@tristanward9937]

@@been_rly_n2_paragliding_latelyyou still intend to

[@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately]

​@@tristanward9937 It's an RPG - People create characters and play from the perspective of that character. There could be plenty of characters that don't intend to kill Malenia for one reason or another.

[@tristanward9937]

@@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately which I wouldn’t disagree if there was an option not to kill her. But if you met her you will kill her that’s the only outcome. Plus you’re out to kill his whole family. He isn’t stupid he knows what you were set out to do and having him ignore that would feel odd.

[@TheFallen3]

The chord that hits when they show st trina was god tier

[@poly_g6068]

Genuinely breathtaking. It controls your breathing

[@96WackoXJacko96]

Something I noticed, the place where Marika holds up those gold strands is very similar to the tree in the Land of Shadows. Two dark rising monuments with gold sandwiched between. I'm willing to bet that place is the base of the shadow tree

[@renatoimperatori5289]

yeah some people were saying it's the crucible which gave birth to the erdthree , the crucible is made of corpses like I'm the crucible Knight's shield description it says that it was a amalgamation of life or something like that

[@ThotWaffle]

I believe the two "monuments" you describe with the gold inbetween, is the crucible. The very formation of the erdtree. The crucible has been described as "primordial flesh", which when you look at the masses closely, you can almost see arms and bodies reaching out. When you think about things like erdtree burial, important people/warriors being buried in the roots of the erdtree, it makes sense. I'm almost certain the scene we see with Marika holding out the golden strands is her at the creation of the erdtree.

[@ThotWaffle]

also want to note that the crucible has not yet been seen ingame, only been described. This could be the little piece of lore we have been missing and not seen yet.

[@leperface]

I think Dragons will play a bigger role, which might be why they have been missing from the DLC trailers except for Messmer's eyes. I wonder if this affair was with Dragons. "Mighty Dragon, thou'rt a true born heir. Lend me thy strength o kindred."

[@BayouBaldwin]

Did you notice that in the gameplay trailer, the player used a bear roar similar to that of a dragon's. I don't know what that means, but I remember people saying rune bears are connected to dragons

[@mbailey8790]

I’ll go even further and say maybe his second phase is something like RyKards where he transforms into some kind of Dragon/Snake/anaconda/mucus I hope y’all caught that reference 😭

[@leperface]

@@BayouBaldwin BEAR WITNESS also ya theres the Zullie vid about dragon bears

[@eddieparks9714]

i think it would be really fucking cool if messers second phase is a dragon form like how the ancient dragons could take human form, i doubt it’s possible coz he’s born of marika and not a dragon but maybe she fucked a dragon like donkey did

[@Dragonsworn864]

Theres atleast 2 dragons bosses, they give us a dragon killer weapon afterall

[@OriginalMB]

No matter how tender, how exquisite, a lie will remain a lie

[@Th3_AI_Lab]

i think messmer is still killing on marikas behalve and the bodies are used as firteliser to keep up the erdtree and the illusion/ seal. I also think marika impregnated the GEQ as radagon and than had her killed and used the child of both empyrians as a sacrifice to create her order. Hence, she takes gold from the belly.

[@pubquizplebbar9670]

Yes I agree with this.

[@user-os4is2ew6h]

Damn, this is dark. But also incredibly fitting

[@davidseelye7412]

What if that kid wasn't sacrificed and is messmer?

[@nyveggie]

Or she made the godskin apostles do it and betrayed them. Thus her eradication of the GEQ

[@poly_g6068]

This. The trailer mentions seduction and betrayal at the same time Marika is looting the Elden Ring from the Gloam-Eyed Queen's corpse. Marika could've just... slept with the Gloam-Eyed Queen in the beginning and betrayed her.

[@GINGI9519]

Notice how Marika holds the golden fibers similarly to how the elden ring holds her when we encounter her at the end of the base game, remember GRRM player a role in story telling and it's fitting how the beginning and the ending of her reign have parallels

[@Igotthatjizz]

Marika is griffith she did everything for her dream and has an alter ego called Radagon

[@eleven9286]

Ah, yes, Lord Griffith also has an alter ego called Radagon.

[@kalehstwin]

Miquella is Griffith. This is an easy one lol.

[@belokk2468]

@@kalehstwin That's what they want you to believe. That's what poeple believed for 2 years now. But Marika has more Griffith-like characteristics. Miquella still might be Griffith in appearance and maybe in boss fight if it exist in the DLC, but Marika's story is more similar.

[@eyesofthebeast]

@@kalehstwin Nah, Marika is griffith. Miquella is most likely going to be the good guy they say he is, going against his mother.

[@joshberg307]

​@@eyesofthebeastI see you have already fallen under miquelas powers

[@Sombersamurai]

By the way it’s theorizes that what she pulls from that body is like grace or runes. When she holds her hands up to the sky you can see it makes the shape of the bottom of the Elden ring

[@kanealterius6631]

Marika wears her robes draped over her chest. Radagon wears it exactly the way we see in the trailer. also the hair its only where the golden light that touches that gives off the marika gold. The hair in the shadows is still red. They are one and the same being but have you ever questioned where they came from. Why they are 2 made one in the lands between.

[@lbonts]

this is a good point, everyone just assumes Marika is the original

[@eddyh5]

One of my theories I thought of long ago has to do with how Marika even got the Elden Ring... The dragon lord waits beyond time for his god to return. Where did the god go? And how did Marika get the elden ring after? The Greater Will doesnt seem to influence things directly, so i dont think it was just given to her. Seeing as the game revolves around TAKING power, and knowing how brutal Marika can be, I assumed she probably attained this power either by finding the remains of the god or killing the god. Now in the trailer they talk about an "affair". Empyreans chosen to be gods are female (aside from Miquella). So the previous god to the dragon lord was most likely female. Messmer is assumed to be Marika's child, and he has RED hair and a dragon eye... Thus I conclude that Radagon was a part of Marika a lot longer than we realised, and Radagon seduced the previous god so Marika could kill and take the power for herself.

[@TheScrootch]

Personally I think that Placi's God left for whatever reason and this left a huge power vacuum. However, the time of the dragons is prehistoric. So I think it's not out of the question that there were other dynasties or kingdoms in the time between Placi and Marika. Maybe like an age of beasts where Serosh was a regent of some area, probably what is currently Leyndell

[@eddyh5]

​@@TheScrootch It still makes you wonder how the Elden Ring is just "passed" from one host to another.

[@sk8legendz]

At 0:51 in the E3 announcement trailer shows Marikas hammer and from it the Same Golden Strands that we see in the shadow of the erdtree trailer. I think she stole the object that gave power to the original God/ruler of the shadow land, she usurped this being and used Messmer to decimate all opposition using their corpses to give life to the Erdtree

[@poly_g6068]

It's funny how Fromsoft confirmed there was no time travel this time, when that's most of what we've been shown so far.

[@C-F98]

@@poly_g6068 If it's the same technique they used for Painted World and Memories of the Giants from DS series, then it's not a straight up time travel, so yeah.

[@poly_g6068]

I think the monolith of bodies seems to be the early Erdtree. The golden light in the center looks like the entrance to Radagon's boss arena

[@TheSoijohn]

I think that fire burning memories is very relevant for two reasons and has a big consequence as well : 1- The Tonic of Forgetfulness given to us by Tanith in the volcano manor is showing fire or embers inside, and is supposed to make people forget. 2- Melina, who seemlingly has burned once already has forgotten her purpose and needs to go to the base of the Erdtree to find it again, and indeed she does, and truly becomes the Kindling Maiden. 3 - The Erdtree that is in the Lands Between, like Tarnished Archeologist compiled in a recent video, has burned before. The Capital is covered in ashes, and misbegotten are crying next to tombs, close to burned buildings. The Erdtree is now in golden (therefore godly) spirit form but no one really talks about it. That could imply that whoever burned the Erdtree, commited the first cardinal sin, has been forgotten by everyone as well. So who did it and why ?

[@zenny_ox]

probably Marika hahaha

[@Astrophobia88]

@@zenny_ox She's deffo bi polar enough like. Probs was her that burnt it ya know

[@ksh8114]

I think that GEQ connections are too far stretched because we know that she was defeated by Maliketh. Maliketh seems to have nothing to do with everything shown in the trailers. He also doesn't appear in any of the scenes. I also doubt that this pile of bodies is a fertilizer. Miquella raised en enormous tree using only his own demigod blood while the Erdtree has burials all over the Lands Between. So, I think the pile of bodies is a sacrifice to gain the Greater Will's attention. OR Marika slaughtered everyone in order to get these very rare golden threads.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

One thing of note is how the flame Messmer uses in the new trailer is a blood red like destined death whereas in the first trailer it's more of an orange red. Possibly implying that he was using destined death on behalf of Maliketg.

[@michaelwilliams8242]

Maliketh hasn't been directly mentioned, but we have to assume he plays a part in all of these events. Just like how Blaidd is there with Ranni throughout the events of the main game as she establishes her order

[@been_rly_n2_paragliding_lately]

The bodies could be related to the crucible - a primordial melting pot where life was once blended together. The bodies are all skinned and mushed together. Also, which GEC connections are you talking about?

[@Rasekmet]

Marika is the gloam eyed queen and radagon. She's giving pink diamond Rose quartz.

[@alanthe2]

This is going to be one of the very best experiences of all time, not just in games, but media more broadly. It’s a shame that games still don’t have the same recognition as books and movies because how can you look at something like this and not deem it worthy of comparison to some of the best films, books and tv shows in its genre? The creativity and talent on display to produce something that not only looks beautiful but has a unique and captivating way of presenting its story deserves more widespread respect outside of the gaming sphere. Can’t wait to play it!

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

It is a shame yes but, television is almost 100 years old while books are 1000’s of years old. While they are all creativity flourishing, it makes sense the perception of gaming being a valid form of writing and/or directing is slightly behind those two.

[@seanslaysean7097]

Seduction could also refer to power, maybe Marika was seduced by the greater will

[@zenny_ox]

I did not even think about that! You're so right!

[@OSOForjasCA]

Zombie on police radio:"Send more police officers.." Miyazaki on Elden Ring DLC:"Send more theories.."

[@neogenesis0038]

Well done Jake and Lee! Nice video

[@vincentbrooker3029]

The scene where they hold up the strands looks like the view from inside the cocoon

[@mynameed7720]

A detail in the trailer that no one is talking about is how when we get a close up of Messmer's face with the Lion Dance entity charging at him, his curse marked/closed eye begins to seep out flames it looks like. Just some food for thought as I don't know what that could indicate, but just thought it was neat.

[@Droopie0]

Idk if anyone has noticed but the shadowed erdtree looks like two different trees with one being wrapped around the other one

[@lilbuddy324]

I watch a lot of tarnished archeologist, the upside down arcing building, under the shadow erdtree where the golden is seeping down into the building. This has to be parallel to how in leyndell, queens bed chamber is basically a giant crystal tear basin with an opening at the top of the room allowing for a stream of light. Ofcourse it’s only just light now being that the erdtree is a “phantom”, but in the age of plenty it was used for Marika to recieve the erdtree’s sap. What’s wild to me is this shadow tree is still dripping sap, this shadow Erdtree still has value it seems. I’m very curious as to whom or what is in this room, collecting the sap. Might just be a really cool boss room to get my ass beat several times.

[@trashmagics]

4:25 I think Marika is somewhere like that, because it's the erdtree.....that doorway looking thing she's standing in, the opening into the golden area, it's the same shape as the entrance into the tree at the end of the base game? I think that part of the trailer is showing us how Marika created the erdtree and the Elden Ring

[@dylanhay2328]

I love the video, also ever since that first trailer dropped I’ve been calling my mom “mother” like Messmer every time I call her lol.

[@kathj4739]

That thing she pulls the golden strands out of has blanket stitching along the edge. Godskin swaddling cloth says it was sewn together: “ Sacred cloth of the Godskin Apostles, made from supple skin sewn together.” The flesh of it looks less pale/sickly and thicker than the other godskin apparel, maybe referring to the “supple” adjective? Also, it definitely looks like there’s something else inside the cloth, it’s a slightly different texture and color. Also, in the freeze frame, you can see it’s behind her finger.

[@ryangorevan5697]

another GOAT lore video, Thank you sir.

[@thiagobnla]

Honestly, you were the first to refer to the golden strings as hair and I thank you for that. It’s clearly hair

[@Dante041]

No, Master smith Hewg was bound by marika to the round table to smith a god slaying weapon, and is very old at this point especially for a demibeast, he has dementia which is apparent as he keeps "forgetting" you and the only thing holding him together is the "curse" bound to him. So when you burn the erdtree, you burn the round table, and when you burn the round table you burn his bindings thus "freeing" him from his purpose. An giving some of the best voice acting/lines an NPC can give before losing himself completely as he stutters this out to you Hewg: "Allow me to call you this just once before it ends. My Lord, for that is what you are." I am not afraid to say that made me tear up and cry a little.

[@lonzo6007]

What’s crazy is if you look at the close up in the story trailer you can see Messmer’s hair is Red and Gold at the same time at 1:23 in the trailer. It’s a mixture of both you have to look closely at the helm it becomes gold underneath it. I wonder how it ties into the lore is he how he really is?

[@jerbear1722]

I cant see it being a past section unless you needed to see something specific, or undo something already done, in the end the story will only make sense if it ends in the present because of Miquellas part in said plot. It may not say it clearly, but its there.

[@Picolas--Cage]

I like the theory that the WAP in the story trailer is a snakes head and she's pulling the golden threads from its eye. You can see a sphere inside the socket. Maybe the gloam eyed queen was a giant serpent? Maybe it's the snake mentioned in the serpent God curved sword item description, with some connection to the crucible? Maybe an embodiment of the crucible that was cut from history to legitimize the Erdtree?

[@chadtindale2095]

Miquella's symbol is an eclipse. Which you hear a lot about in castle Sol.

[@96WackoXJacko96]

Oh also new theory on what the strands are being pulled from! If it's not the belly of the woman in the painting, then maybe it's the bald head of the old geezer in the painting. This is assuming If Marika is actually the woman in the painting in disguise, then that could explain why the man would be covered in her clothe, and why Marika is shirtless during that scene.

[@andrewfornes5320]

Tbh, I think it is the Gloam-Eyed Queen (I dont believe that is St. Trina) I think the GEQ came before Marika and she turned into Radagon and slept with her. The bond between Radagon (Gold) and the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Shadow) made Messmer. That is just my take... the Gloam Eyed Queen could look similar to the Godskin... the current godskins wear a gemstone a very similar color to what is associated with her.

[@moliistzLikeABoss]

We are not the only tarnished that have grace, Godfrey has grace, and it can be seen in his boss fight intro cinematic with Morgott

[@mirkogonzalez2708]

I always took the scene where Godfrey has morgrot in his arms and the grace coming from morgot's body pointing at us, meaning that we are the only one left between him and the elden ring. And the trailer wasn't drop in a random Tuesday, it was on Tuesday 21, one month before the release of the dlc.

[@javersalgado3132]

The helmet of the burning army looks like the twins' mask

[@Lilbird2fye]

You can see marikas dress flying around when she hold it up.

[@ismaeloubandawaki7362]

You wilding in this video 😂

[@ivanautelitano8787]

the ds1 theme in the background…man i got nostalgic now

[@V8_Morgan]

I’m afraid that this entire DLC is from Beserk 1997. - The reason that Radahn needs to be killed is for the skys to be clear so the Eclipse can happen - The scene with St. Trina falling somewhere and Miquella losing his fate looks a lot like Griffith falling into the Abyss and embraces his evil and becomes a god. - Griffith even asks Guts if he’ll follow him. - Like Griffith, Miquella was held captive and possibly tortured to the brink of insanity - RIP to all those NPC’s at the end of the trailer. Everyone that followed Griffith gets sacrificed so he can become a god. Edit: You can watch the episodes on KZbin to see what I am talking about

[@peanutbutter6720]

I’ll leave a comment so I can come back to this if it turns out to be true, but I’m skeptical. A lot of imagery in Elden ring is taken pretty 1:1 from Elden ring, but the overall story is fairly distinct, with only individual character story beats borrowing things from berserk. Plus we can’t forget about GRRM’s backstory and this dlc being largely about Marika’s past as well.

[@V8_Morgan]

Additionally, I am 99.9% certain that image that FromSoft put out of the blonde haired character is Miquella. Naomi McDonald is already credited with voicing Miquella and that is her voice in the trailers. It looks like we will start the DLC when Miquella is himself. I'm gonna a guess and say he will transform into St Trina because of something Mohg did and then fall into an abyss and turn into his true evil. Most likely the place where Queen Marika is at the start of the trailer.

[@V8_Morgan]

@@peanutbutter6720 I wonder if we only see Marika through Miquella's story. That's why the narrator states "Miquella the Kind spoke of the beginning..." . Meaning we won't interact with Marika at all but rather learn about it through Miquella.

[@DeadlyTinyOrc]

Miquella was a host for Marika. Once she was to die, his body needed to be ready for her to possess.

[@tajdaffa1526]

I watch the 3 hours dlc game play in some channel, they said miquella was headed inside the gate of divinity, which is the gate that marika standing in the beginining story trailer

[@MarquisXander4402]

Love the video and the cool theories. Do you think that Godwyn’s soul found itself in the land of shadows when he died? Similar to how Miquella divested his body and power to reach the land of shadows.

[@llaura28]

I don’t know if this might makes any sense but i think the hand hanging out of the cocoon thing in moghs palace looks a lot more like mesmer than miquella

[@theesper7404]

Now I have to go back and look 😂

[@demonbasher23]

Miquellas rune looks like radagons Totality pose eclipsing the moon.

[@W2823]

Peak content on Gwyn

[@Beardymanlol]

11:25 Perhaps gloam-eyed queen's corpse after a literal usurping?

[@dbfzato-1327]

if you wait till directly told in game you will probably be waiting forever aha, not much is directly said and some that isn't true, its kinda the point lol excited to see what questions it hints at and what further questions it raises is my take lol

[@peetho5020]

“I have no f***ing idea” 😂

[@lilbuddy324]

What you said at :10 I absolutely agree. This is gotta be my favorite trailer ever. The music at the end with all of the followers of miquella, just goosebumps! Fromsoftware is incomparable. They are completely in their own lane.

[@travisjackson5398]

This dlc history might explain the morgot and mohg shackles in game too

[@narutosan217]

@11:00 I've started to feel with the mention of leaving both Gold and Fate behind that this imagery is meant to invoke the Moon and the Erdtree, and how Miquella had to abandoned both of them to get to the Land of Shadow. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Miquella was born under the conjoined(coughGRAFTEDcough) stars of Radagon and Rennala's marriage that never separated due to Radahn. Miquella's seemingly loose ties to Caria would come together rather nicely if that was the case.

[@thewavygravy6420]

In the description of Godfreys axe, it says it was damaged during the long march, meaning outside the lands between. Could this indicate that Godfrey may have gone here to the shadow realm and faced Messmer and lost? Maybe that's who killed him initially, but he doesn't remember.

[@lost_witness_8495]

Could be. Also if you remember during the games opening scene it shows Horah Loux impaled by spears ! Maybe he was slain by Messmer the impaler and became Godfrey after that? We will find out in 3 weeks 😂

[@thewavygravy6420]

@lost_witness_8495 exaclty! I dont think I have ever been this excited for a game release, let alone DLC.

[@tylerharris4568]

Hmm the betrayal part seems very interesting to me marika fromsoft loves to use figures from mythology marika seems to be an aphodite like character and godfrey seems to be ares with the guy in the painting maybe seeming to be a HEPHAESTUS like at least in looks and not sure on the crafting part but was marika's husband she ditched simply to go with godfrey to form a new order with?

[@AkaiRai0n]

I'm taking this right now with a handful of salted pistachios, thanks for the vid :)

[@christmasham4312]

one thing i have learned over the years is more souls content leads to more question's then answers...also i believe George R. R. Martin wrote messmer after king joffrey and possibly queen markia after queen cersei

[@andrenaval8505]

Just thought about this; we always assumed this was prior to Marika becoming queen (or most have) but what if this is where Marika is when he/she is in Radagon form, idk just random thought

[@no.5824]

Off topic, but I noticed that in each three of the imperians, there are similarities. One of the three is depicted as a beloved person, one as a traitor and a sinner, the last as being between two sides, which is why he has an internal conflict and rejection of his form. First - godwyn, miquella, radahn; Second - messmer???, rykard, mogh; Third - ranni, malenia, morgott.

[@avgguyoninternet]

i get your point but mogh did did not betray anyone he just got selected by formless mother. also radahn and malenia should be on same page they are not well loved or hated. also ranni is the most loved child of ranella, and ranni should be in traitor category as she led black knife assasins and killed godwyn the golden

[@archibaldfranklin288]

Crazy how a game has a better story line than most series... I haven't played elden ring i don't have a console but I've followed the lore since before the release and its always been amazing...❤❤

[@MutsuTenpei]

Watching the video and got a Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree add. Peak.

[@nightwolf89]

I have a theory: What if Messmer is actually the first born of Marika and Radagon and an unintentional third instance of Merika where her and Radagon are reunited as a singular being once more, resulting in Messmer inheriting the curse of the Fire Giants and the Frenzied Flame. as for Miquella, perhaps he is somehow responsible for maintaining the veil that is preventing Messmer from leaving the Land of Shadow.

[@EmraHemingway]

1:46 I think this being Marika only works if you think Marika used to have dark hair! Look very closely under those tassels around her cheeks; that girlie’s got dark curly hair yo! I think she might be the hooded woman kneeling in the fire. I pretty strongly believe that Radagon is Messmer’s father while the GEQ (the woman in the painting) is his mother. On a side note, it would make a sort of sense if Radagon had a thing for dark hair just as Rennala had a thing for red hair, being of the mountaintops where the Fire Giants reside! 😏 Messmer learns that Marika is Radagon and devotes himself to her.

[@thomas-cummings402]

he’s a mirror of Lady Maria hiding the sins

[@allanbillings3587]

Bro i was not expecting that line 😂😂😂😂

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

Can't wait to get more hard evidence for who exactly Radagon is.

[@xRJMx]

What if the tree isn’t dripping cause the castle underneath is being pulled up. I almost feel like it’s trying to pull the sap back idk.

[@brenb]

Maybe Miquella was the gloom eyed queen as their empyrean form... Explains the color and sleep sensitivity for her followers

[@zackdoom]

Ive been noticing a lot of trinas lilys in places that dont make sense

[@jatt7109]

It’s def marika the dress hair arm bands. I believe it’s showing the Elden beast in the god skin swaddling cloth she pulls the rune strand from the Elden beast baby to make the Elden ring

[@bonereaper5819]

Marika is the shadow of the erdtree

[@psychosopro7898]

Can’t believe I’m early enough to be first! So excited for this dlc for real

[@keegansimons7348]

Ya know thinking about it, could miquella need Mohg because Miquella needs all the blood to grow his new tree/order? The foundation and roots for the next tree will be in the mohgwyn palace.

[@tomisinolapo2317]

There is picture of godfrey impaled in this base game. Could this be Messmer doing? Also I am sure the person at the beginning was Marika. The stairs look identical to the one leading to the final boss in the base game and the bodies around is what became the erdtree or rather feeding the erdtree. We can get this from the catacombs with bodies at the erdtree roots which is claimed to be erdtree burial. Another thing. I think Miquella must have compelled Hewg and not Marika . So when his duty was fulfilled, he forgot everything

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

10:43 Did I miss something? What do you mean grace points directly back at us? When? Where?

[@iconoclast485]

I have a theory about why the Golden Order and possibly the Greater Will are at odds with the blasphemous serpent. The Serpent that consumed Rykard devours flesh and becomes stronger the more souls it consumes. The Erdtree is the same it gets stronger the more souls it consumes so it would only follow that they would be at odds because they are taking eachothers "food" source.

[@CrimsonTear1996]

The only problem I have with this video is saying Miquella “gave himself” to Mohg, its straight up stated that Mohg took Miquella. All the clues point to Mohg taking him while he was in the cacoon or tree. We can even see the chasm where Miquellas cacoon was in the tree where you find Malenia.

[@theesper7404]

🤔

[@ondrejkacaba6817]

Now we know why Malenia attacked Radhan. To help Muquilea move the stars.

[@lizzykayOT7]

I like that FromSoft drives people nuts. Such good times.

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

We go get the dlc just to realize that’s Marika’s mom and now we go an entirely new story to think about 😅

[@richarddemke1290]

I know we have all tried to place Messmer’s birth and parentage in the timeline and make it fit, but it just occurred to me- why? Why does he need to be a child of Marika? Why can’t he be a husband? Marika has a history of putting her husbands away… this would explain the betrayal, seduction, and affair we hear. And I know Messmer refers to her as Mother, but it would not be amiss for any religion, cult, zealot, fanatic, or even royalty to want to be referred to as Mother. We have many modern day examples (Queen Elizabeth) where a population referred to her as queen mother or mum. And works of fiction, like a song of ice and fire, where the populace called Khaleesi “Meesa“ or Mother. Religions refer to their gods or goddesses in maternal and paternal ways. So again, I ask… what if Messmer was her first husband and waged this war for her. Then she betrayed and hid him away? Even would explain when Messmer taunts “wouldst thou lordship sanction in one so bereft of light?” as more derogatory and exasperated. Like “really? You left me and this is who is your consort?”

[@Verbmo]

Look at the black flowing robes.. it is definitely Marika. If you look at Marika in the erdtree she is shirtless and wearing the exact same thing.

[@theesper7404]

Duality is definitely a big theme in this game it seems. I'm excited for this dlc. Hoping for some answers lol

[@MrNyikan]

So land of shadows is hidden by a veil. And used to be the crucible's home tree town. And is still there. Just hidden. Marika destroyed it and created her own tree.

[@zm9498]

11:28 bro. 😂😂

[@michaelgibson3479]

That old man in the painting could be placidusax, since we know dragons could take human form. The woman by him is either Marika or the gloam eyed queen, I don't really think they were the same person. Their outer god could be the formless mother, as the dragon communion seal is called formless drake blood.

[@kalehstwin]

The woman next to him is likely Fia who is also a dragon aspect

[@sebastianboyce678]

If Marika is the pregnant woman, perhaps there’s kind of a King Arthur thing going on with her, the old king, and Messmer being a Mordred type character

[@PaulStackhouse]

Not her secret ... her betrayal ! This is what the video tells us almost first.

[@davidseelye7412]

What if it's Marika defeating the gloam eyed queen when they were both empryeans. And what if radagon was used to make a kid (messmer) before. Like with the gloam eyed queen and that was another reason the were beefing. That was a betrayal that lead to the birth of the Golden order and the shadow realm to help hide what has occurred.

[@willsword8100]

SO my endgame in this game is pending of if we can side with Miquella, or Messmer or out right fight them. we shall see.

[@heisman987]

Everyone is getting so tripped up by the line, gold was born and shadow too. I think all that means is, obviously, the golden order and the idea of shadow. As in, the shadow realm always existed, but it was at the beginning , just the realm, and then with the creation of the golden order, and all things gold, the idea of the shadow realm being different from that was created.

[@nyveggie]

I think Miquella went to the Shadow to do her thing and ran into messmer who is immune to her power. So she needs her followers to come to the shadow to help her. This doesn’t mean though that she’s a good guy, cuz everyone in Elden ring is kinda fucked up. I think we’ll be able to fight both of them too.

[@redx3009]

Ok Crazy theory time. This is Marika becoming the Marika we know. I propose that Marika used to have hair resembling Melina and when she obtained those strands it became a golden hair. Melina is our closest source to Marika and when Melina sacrificed herself for the sake of the new Lord, in some way it mirrors the trailer scene by redeeming Marika of what she did.

[@HeliumMonke]

If the in the beginning of the trailer it is showing marika becoming god then radagon isn’t cursed by the fire giant god thus not being a redhead yet he would still be a blonde.

[@kiwiboy1988]

WE ARE SO BACK!

[@cyberinitiative2312]

Crazy theory I have is that the raging wolf set may have importance especially since it’s shown a lot in the trailer

[@michaelblevins1651]

What marika is pulling out is Grace and those aren’t Godskins because Malekith defeated the godskins later on also It’s confirmed that sites of grace will be present just like the base game also notice how Marikas chest looks more masculine when she’s holding the grace between those massive stacks of corpses which some theorize might possibly be the crucible A literal blend of life