We should talk about "Archetype: Metallica"

[@agufish]

"Yeah." - James Hetfield Thanks to NeuralDSP for providing the plugin and sponsoring the video! More information and free 14-day trial of the Archetype: Metallica (Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ Suite) plugin here: neuraldsp.com/plugins/mesa-boogie-mark-iic-suite

[@RokDAWG1]

Oh I thought you were talking about Polychrome. That’s seriously incredible!

[@eamonahern7495]

How do you use a wah pedal with it?

[@bigmike9527]

It sounded like shit

[@roymartin500]

PG just demoed the new Mark VII. In case you didn't know. I thought it was some early April Fools joke.

[@yeshoohatzadik]

It's actually "yeayeah!"

[@Louis_Bautista]

Yeah that demo track definitely hit the spot, you captured the Metallica vibe well!

[@danic2001]

Nnno...

[@mikehartigan1694]

Without a wah, this would have to be called Archetype Hetfield

[@digchevelle]

This is not intended to be an insult: this is the most visceral you have ever appeared to be in a video. I’m a lifer of a Metallica fan and you’ve nailed the 85-87 motif.

[@StoreBrandHoney]

It’s crazy how that lead tone is so unique. The Sanitarium solo definitely has that unique saturation that instantly takes me back to first hearing that song/solo and you totally nailed the vibe. Cheers, Hunter!

[@daniellowry660]

Finicky is an apt descriptor for this plugin. It offers a lot of versatility with the effects suite and the transpose option but I still think the nameless suite has the best plug and play factor. Simple fun and great sounding.

[@EvilDragon666]

IIc+ is a hella finnicky amp IRL, too. So if the plugin is the same, they nailed it :D

[@Catywampus_Kerfuffle]

I love the fact that you ran through all your favorite singlecuts in this demo.

[@stevewright107]

Awesome. You can tell you had a blast getting your Metallica on!

[@HA3RIFFLORD]

You just wrote a testament song. Definitely not complaining though. You absolutely kill it with these reviews and this one is just extra special. Keep up the great work!

[@ericcarpenter3263]

I was just gonna say that, and it turned out really good.

[@KipCount]

Kept waiting for a Chuck Billy growl to come in somewhere.

[@McTheWarhammer]

5:52 ah yes the metalzoan preset

[@fatsuperfly]

Crap! I actually didn’t know I was subscribed…. I actually watch your vids a lot too. Sorry mang, sub

[@cursetheserpent]

Not relevant to you Hunter. More so the commenters… people need to quit hating on bands just cause it’s the popular opinion. Sorry but you all have Metallica to thank for most of your favorite bands and songs.

[@MarioHernandez-zc7dv]

Damn I didn’t know that a 7 year old James Hetfield inspired Led Zeppelin to write Black Dog

[@PippPriss]

​@@MarioHernandez-zc7dv Please read. He stated "most". Obviously the Zep is not meant with this. Metallica are a huge influence for most Metal bands. That's the basic statement. Any disagreement is to be rendered invalid because that is simply fact.

[@BeeEater420]

@@PippPrissr/woosh

[@sixsix8six]

Double subscribed to mitigate that 9472%

[@simoningebrand]

The Metal up your! preset is likely emulating the Master of Puppets guitar sound where they used the Boogie amps (and in particular the C++) for the first time. Kill ‘em all and Ride the Lightning were Marshall tones if I’m not mistaken.

[@kevin_lanthier]

Awesome track! I’ve been a bit meh on this plugin so far. The acoustic/piezo amp in Petrucci and the Tone King are my fave NDSPs to date, maybe ironically since NDSP tends to be favored for the chugs. But for high gain for me, I’m really loving the Otto Audio Eleven Eleven. I don’t know if it’s the best for recording or whatever, but for just practicing, jamming to myself, it sounds so mind-bogglingly huge. Love it.

[@michaelbarber590]

Yes, the II II II II is still about the best plugin for metal. I have nearly every guitar plugin from every company and to date, the Otto Audio, Softube Marshall JCM800KK and Neural DSP Gojira are still my favorites for hardcore metal.

[@apoplexiamusic]

I've used and bought so many goddamn plugins since 2020 and the II II II II is the best, closely followed by Amphub and its many awesome high gain models (including the best Rectifier in plugin form)

[@eliasmsv3156]

“Someone put an amber alert out for those mids” had me howling

[@CornPop.]

Sorry for not subbing sooner. I was surprised that I wasn't.

[@Explorerman1293]

This is the best metallica song in over 20 years lmao Great job, Hunter that was really sick.

[@NicholasGreenwood]

Newcomer to the channel. I appreciate that you're taking the time to write new song parts with whatever gear/software you're using, and putting them together in the context of a mix. The creativity and the work involved does not go unnoticed. Subscribed. Also, the Mark IIC+ suite is sick. Definitely going to purchase it soon.

[@Emet.V]

Like the clean chorus 🧼

[@arinchendwankar4581]

Loved the riffs fuk-ing brilliant!

[@DAJUggaN4uT]

YEAH-EAH

[@SilverPaladin]

I have been playing with the plug in, sounds surprisingly great! I use an older macbook pro and scarlett interface. I also have the buffer set to 96, that eliminates the input delay.

[@mattiaslundmark5396]

I have the same setup, what buffer are you talking about?

[@SilverPaladin]

@Mattias Lundmark click the gear on lower left of plug in screen. Then look for audio buffer size, default is 512 samples but change that to 96. Your input lag will be gone and it will feel like you are playing an amp.

[@georgeridgway9220]

Best demo video on this Mesa Boogie plugin I have seen so far!

[@ptricksmith1965]

Brilliant Demo Track!! Brilliant I say!!

[@egemengocmen4916]

that demo was better than last couple of singles they released

[@jorgepalacios5449]

I'm a software developer and, after tipping my toes in audio development, I believe that the HUB idea can be done. HOWEVER, It's a tooon, but A TON of work and we need to remember that Neural is a relative small company focused on quality. I'm sure they have something like that on the backlog to be released whenever, but it requires a bunch of planning, probably re-architecturing and refactoring all of the plug-ins. But hey, just the fact that you mention it, and the community asking for it, I'm sure they'll listen and move some priorities around to make it happen sooner rather than later. GREAT VIDEO!

[@michaelbarber590]

The C+ was used on Master Of Puppets while the C++ was a C+ that was modified by Mesa Boogie for Metallica to use on their And Justice For All album. PS - you can also access the rear panel of these 2 amps in this plugin.

[@dannydacosta6287]

Ive been trying it for a couple of days now. Im coming from the Soldano SLO-100 NeuralDSP amp and I have to say, this Mark IIC+(+) really is a completely different animal! I love this thing! So versatile, dynamic, very sensitive and responsive to technique and playing style... and that sound is just absolutely amazing. This is what I was waiting for! Finally a C+(+) to play with!

[@aajthomas]

Fuck Yea

[@patfix]

Bleed from Within and Orbit Culture have used Neural plugins on their albums, so there you go. Sounds awesome!

[@agufish]

Carcosa’s pretty much all NDSP, too! Didn’t know about Bleed From Within. Makes sense now, their presets are all over the plugins

[@MegaAndyGG]

What Neural DSP plugins they use? Gojira? Nameless or something else?

[@patfix]

@@MegaAndyGG OC used Gojira. BfW used Gojira to record their parts but Nolly later switched to another for the record itself. Their guitarist wasn’t sure which (but I could guess which since it’s Nolly lmao).

[@MegaAndyGG]

@@patfix Ok, thanks!!

[@GreatOne0815]

At ~ 11:29 The Boogie has Stereo off and the Petrucci has Stereo on. That makes a big difference. What if both are on or off?

[@arealbigchungus]

I feel like this is their modern live sound

[@finnvanderbar3935]

If this was on the new Metallica album it would save the whole thing

[@slayabouts]

@TheBANDEMIC it’s hard to save Metallica when Metallica hasn’t been Metallica since the album before Metallica

[@Max_94]

​@TheBANDEMICcorny but that intro is the best so far out of the 3 songs

[@JeffTheKiller000]

This thread is full of bitches, I will thoroughly enjoy this new album while you cower away.

[@Shoda0197]

it's impossible to save the new album lol

[@MashaT22]

Looks like we found the MegaDeath crew - you ppl never stop whining about Metallica. Sorry you don’t know what good is. More Metallica goodness for the rest of us!

[@mrslate1]

In my experience, to get the most out of a C+ is to turn up the first volume which gives more gain and saturation. (Volume 1)

[@xserienchiller86]

when the "Metal up your!" preset came in the cornor of my mouth raised.. I'll try this one

[@federicocancellara4143]

Dudeee, that "wouldnt you rather" intro riff was the saaameee💀🔥

[@TrickyPickins]

As fellow Metallica fan, speedrunning Metallica cliches and writing tons of kickass knockoff Metallica riffs is just part of the grind, lol.

[@kquinn2282]

re the tech, yes it is possible *but* you're right, without some kind of streamlined novel coding approach it will still require very high end equipment (literally a bucket of ultra fast RAM and a forty core cpu). Loved the 'Tallica style demo, I am impressed by the DSP - it sounds like the record. Its funny how that pneumatic right arm of Hets is *so* distinct as a technique, its as obvious as a Dime squeal. Great work (also, *when* can I get a purple Agufish sig?)

[@MrCool-sh4mx]

the mids in your rhythm tone BLEEDS MY EARS AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@slayabouts]

Starting off with Shortest Straw. Interesting…

[@Phaseish]

bought so many on their birthday sale excited to get my guitar lol.

[@klaymeister]

We're up to the Mark V now... except a Mark VII came out and messed you up lol

[@LucasGonzalezA]

I tried this plugin but I could not dial a metal tone I liked. I tried the Petrucci Archetype, and I quickly fell in love with it. Maybe I should try this one again to see if I can get it to work, since the Mesa Mark Series has always been my favorite amps.

[@danpena7922]

I could not get into it either and I was a huge Metallica fan up to ANJFA. First album had the best tones.

[@LucasGonzalezA]

@@danpena7922 I did 3 tries on the Mesa Suite. 2 interfaces and 2 different guitars but I cannot dial a toneI liked for the life of me.

[@Myoldnameiscringy]

New. Favorite. Riff. Yes, it might be gimmicky as hell, but that was the aim, and it’s executed perfectly. Good job, brother.

[@antares4975]

I just love this plugin. Till now i was good with Nolly, but that replaces it in every case i used it for. Still in test-trial, but my descision was clear after opened it with default settings. "yeah"

[@sheriewart8100]

Nicely done Hunter

[@MaxMiller614]

Dude sick custom! Never seen it on your Channel before. Keep rocking

[@zxexrxox]

Sick

[@benachurch]

That demo track was sick!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@sipnscoot3049]

I love those plugins!!! I’m down loading them now

[@tophertaylor68]

Potatoes

[@misforyoutube8452]

hell yeah! Metallica fanboy as well, that demo track was on point! 🤘

[@1badsteed]

We are up to Mark 7... but that IIC+....unbeatable

[@sb632]

Who says Hunter can't solo? Hehe loved the demo track. I do agree Neural are the kings still of plug ins. Petrucci is still my favorite one that I'd get if I still had a guitar and proper computer

[@HedOnFire]

My first tube head was a mark v boogie. It was a weird experience cause I just bought it based on bands I liked who used it/sung its praises (LoG, Dream Theater, Metallica), plus Petrucci himself did a tone walkthrough on the mk v on youtube (from like 2009 mind you, youtube was a different place then lol), and I fell instantly in love with the sonic capability of this thing. I was so initially put off by it once I brought it home and hooked it up to my 4x12. I just couldn't get a sound I liked coming out of it. It took hours upon hours of tweaking and tweaking (and also, mind you, retraining my ear to what was actually a "good" tone compared to what my little inexperienced high school brain perceived as a "good tone" at the time). You hit the nail on the head though, once you learn how to use these things and dial in a proper tone, it's just unbelievable. I love my mark v and it'll remain a part of my recording (and performing) tone for probably the rest of my life.

[@DMN3901]

0:52 that aged hilariously badly....not even a day later and the VII launches.

[@agufish]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@alrecks619]

NDSP missed the chance to simulate the Grid Slammer overdrive pedal, considering it's Mesa's take on the famous Green Overdrive.

[@callanmarshall8462]

One the the ods in the plugin is emulating the grid slammer

[@bs8713]

Glad to see you using your signature model in this video!

[@Louisxs650]

I wish someone would make an entire video on how to get setup to do this.. I have absolutely no clue. I have a real Mk5 25 and cab. But I'd love to be able to work my guitar on a computer like this... I guess I'll just stick to my old ways.

[@Sofatronic]

Honestly, I like your demo track better than anything off Hardwired or anything off the upcoming album. Nice work!

[@chunkuswumpus3515]

I don't want to be that gear snob but I'm going to be that gear snob. The ++ is in reference to the Mesa Mark II C++ amp which has a different gain stage to the normal C+. I'm sorry for being that guy. Have a wonderful day/afternoon/evening to anyone who read this.

[@agufish]

Don’t be sorry lol. We’re all nerdy gear geeks here in search of knowledge. The Mark II came out well before my time so didn’t know that about the different C variants! Thank you for sharing

[@berndkiltz]

Best Video about the Plugin yet BY FAR. I especially liked the comparison to the Petrucci Plugin - which SHOULD also be based on the IIc+ but it sound much more modern. Hmm... may have to get the IICP after all... dammit.

[@brianvillage5]

We’re up to the mark 7 now

[@Blacklight_Music]

12:45 Find The Real! On that beautiful tremonti sig too. Awesome.

[@dethbyfatgoats7627]

You should check out the Otto plugin as well. I’ve been playing on it all the time and freaking love it

[@bootysalad]

i've recently been fooling around with plugins after years of on and off geetar playing and god damn dsps and maybe amped roots because free sound VERY nice and it's a blast to play with them literally just plug and play

[@marlonmalave7098]

as soon as i saw this, i went and bought this Archetype. i already had the Rabea one and it’s AWESOME but i want a Mesa one too :)

[@KipCount]

I haven't been into the last handful of Neural DSP releases. The last one I truly liked is Plini. I don't even listen to that guys music, nor did I know who it was before the plugin, but I thought the cleans and Amp2 (Friedman?) sounded very good in the context of a real mix. This new Mark IIc+ though is the first one I've truly enjoyed playing. I've never burned away hours just playing into a plugin before this one. Still demoing, but highly unlikely I won't buy this one.

[@felinekaiju4517]

the cool thing about the rectifier is that when you dipped back the bass and cranked the mids, you get an awesome thick amp that can cut through a live performance. I've not tried the 2C+ suite yet, but I might. Till now Archetype Gojira provided everything I needed. would you say the Jp-2c is darker than the 2C?.

[@allanallan4791]

Pretty sure the Prince amp was the Mesa Boogie Heartbreaker.

[@seanmackay6739]

He used IIC+ amps in the past as well

[@litos_mendes]

he used mark ii b colisseums them c+ first

[@Snoopdave2000]

And he settled on the lone stars

[@oliv9632]

Man you can get the official mesa mark4, the mark5 , the mark 2c+ and the mark 3 simu amp on amplitube since 2 year now ! with all cabinets

[@Hoscitt]

Shoulda tried the settings from Flemings studio notes to see how close it gets! Good vid anyway tho 😁🤘

[@xserienchiller86]

10:21 the cat scared me xD

[@pip5528]

I absolutely love this plugin and it's so much better than the Amplitube version which is utterly lacking in distortion even when you really crank the Volume 1 and Lead Drive controls. I prefer it over the ML Fluff 2C as well because it has all the settings.

[@TheNuge420]

This video made up my mind, Im going with the ML Sound Lab version.

[@hardstones17]

Neural DSP be like "HEY HAVE A PLUGIN SO YOU CAN YEEEEEEEEEA" Neural DSP Quad Cortex in the corner, severely lacking in updates and promised features: "May I pls have a desktop editor and more updates? PLS!!!!"

[@thatjacksondude858]

Yeah, I know everyone else has already said it, but that track fucking RIPS!!!!🤘

[@myselph1761]

I got an ad for this exact product halfway through watching this video

[@EXT0RT98]

Please compare the Petrucci suite and the Mark IIC+!

[@TheFlexXMLG]

an actual archetype metallica would be instant buy for me (and probably a lot of other people)

[@seanmackay6739]

"Notoriously hard to dial in" "No one reads the manual that explains how the BMT work as pre-EQ"

[@WARLIEZ]

You didn't have the doubler on, is their a reason why? That's what made this plugin the best for me.

[@c.g.vonhagenstein7576]

It seems like this covers a fair bit more Mesa territory than NeuralDSP's Archetype Petrucci, but having said, the Petrucci version seems versatile enough for me, and since I already have that, I'm hard pressed to think of a reason why I would need this too. You make a valid point about this one being differently voiced, and it probably does a few things more spot on, but with post EQ and some time I feel like I can get close enough with that and other options that it makes this one a tough sell for those that already Archetype Petrucci. I will say that Archetype Petrucci is not perfect by a long shot and I'm having some performance issues with it even on a pretty robust laptop (upscale M.S. Surface on power, not battery). Anyhow this one does sound great and you did an awesome job with your demo. My only crit: Needs MOAR WAH lol 😂 Cheers!

[@SlyRyFry]

Really hope they come up with some way to mix and match pieces of their suites. Amazing tones and all but that's still a huge QOL issue they should figure out sooner rather than later. But as long as they keep making money from what they're doing now it'll be hard to justify the time and resources into it. I just hope it's implemented before it becomes "too big" of a task, my pc could probably even handle multiple instances it's just the unnecessariness of having to do so. @NeuralDSP love the packs tho PS. make a Tim Henson v2 eventually and make one for Scott Lepage his tones are saucy

[@kirrax111]

Metallica should hire you as their songwriter!

[@Jake_Sachs]

Never thought I'd see you play Dream Theater in a video! 🤘 I'm also curious to hear your thoughts on the ML Soundlab plugins of the Mesa Mark amps. They have a Mark V and a Mark IIC.

[@SlinkyT82]

Killer track bro! Great review. Cheers

[@michaelepping173]

Can you tell us what is the zero-fret behind the nut gadget you show in that video? Is it a damper or something similar like eg the string trees on stratocasters? Would be a solution for the intonation problem in the first fret with Les Paul style headstocks. Thanks for answering. Go on. Love your channel, it is awesome.

[@Snoopdave2000]

They gona do mesa vh4 next as James dabbled in that . He blended mesa Marshall and diezel.

[@MartRockCafe]

Sounds killer mate, nice one 🤘

[@SimpleKiid]

When you go to check the video out and you randomly plays a riff that sounds like a riff that i played today :D

[@MrsDoublefire13]

That is a f***ing sick song! Well done.

[@guitarguy7428]

That song was SICK! Cheers!

[@mattbertrand9496]

Holy crap that song was awesome

[@eamonahern7495]

First of all, I can't play a guitar that low slung standing up and is the main reason I dislike les Paul and les Paul style guitars. Secondly that music you wrote sounds like something Metallica would have wrote for Hardwired or Death Magnetic. I'm very interested in that amp sim now because of your video.

[@thomasgendron3875]

this is better then their new song

[@aross5234]

Ironic, Mesa mark VII dropped this past week 😅

[@miserychannel666]

We're actually up to the MKVII now, nevertheless ... When is Neural going to start 'DELIVERING' these plug ins for their Quad Cortex????

[@mcchurch118]

I tried it and honestly I was expecting more in the sense of power behind the amp. It just seemed underwhelming for me