AIM ASSIST - IS IT UNFAIR? The TRUTH About AIM ASSIST in Apex Legends!

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[@Mink0twink]

This conversation is so exhausting and there is an entire roller community that doesn’t want to lose their crutch so they’ll gas light anyone who doesn’t agree with them even when the data clearly shows controllers have an unfair advantage… The solution however has always been clear and that’s to lower the aim assist. Do it little by little until it feels more balanced in pc lobbies and in the pro scene. Keep pure console lobbies the same so that the players who are actually ass without their crutch have somewhere to still play the game

[@apples874]

🎮 = 💪 👆= 😢

[@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042]

I think aim assist while it is unnecessary it is fine if kept to a minimum, mouse and keyboard is inherently the more superior control scheme, it's easier to do crazy movement techniques and overall aiming is a lot easier

[@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042]

Overall I've never felt like I've had an unfair advantage while playing with controller in pc lobbies overall player skill is what matters most, don't blame aim assist because you lost a fight, and please don't be so over competitive is still Is just a game after all, nobody is trying to "gaslight" anyone to agree with aim assist

[@Mink0twink]

@@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042 everything you said has been said.. you sound ignorant on the topic tbh

[@jaytakajeremiahtisdale2042]

@@Mink0twink cool

[@Pexodus11]

Apex doesn't seem to be interested in making skill more important. If anything most fps games seem to be trying to lower the skill ceiling and make as small of a skill gap as possible

[@cluosion]

Please the casuals = money because there are alot more casuals. I doubt we will ever have a truly competitive fps game again because of all the business psychopaths that came to the game industry over the last 20 years to farm it for money and money only.

[@Pexodus11]

@@cluosion it's a sad truth

[@jeremyg2236]

@@cluosion as much as I agree, how are you gonna get revenue? It's hard to please both casual and pros at the same time.

[@asdsadkjnsad]

facts, they let aim assist be so strong because it is easier and therefore more casual players can play the game. That is EA for ya and its crazy how people are so defensive over that topic even though it is extremely obvious

[@jeremyg2236]

@@asdsadkjnsad EA being the dumb 🤡 as always.....

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

Apex Legends, Halo, Warzone, etc are not competitive shooters. Sorry, assisted aim doesn't belong in game that claims to have competitive integrity. In fact, it is an absolute joke that it gets taken seriously. Anyone coming from old-school fast paced games like Quake and Unreal Tournament literally laughs that player receive soft aimbot for preferring to use a shitty input. It's like an Olympic swimmer doing the doggie paddle for Freestyle races and claiming it isn't fair that they lose, so they receive a water current and fins to "level the playing field" for preferring a shitty stroke. A joke of a game

[@Urfavoritefascist]

Sounds like you got rinsed by a roller and proceeded to piss your pants on KZbin, git good

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

@@Urfavoritefascist No, not really. There's a reason why rollers only play those games. Be real lol. You can't tell people to "git gud" when you're using assisted aim.

[@spoon4228]

Sounds like someone's bas at the game, PC players get tap strafe and jitter aim imagine complaining about a .2 aim assist difference than PC lmao

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

@@spoon4228 i don't play this shitty game my guy. Also, assisted aim is better than any advantage anyone could possibly have. 0.4 aim assist is a problem. In fact, any aim assist in any game that claims to be competitive is a problem. Come play something without aim assist. Right, you don't. Case in point.

[@JustAPriapism]

@@spoon4228 challenge : say im a console player without saying Im a console player : difficulty: impossible

[@borizovskimilan]

This is absurd, if they do not do something about it , I am quitting AL for good. Why dont they make a loby for mkb players only ???? So we can enjoy the game even if we are like the small percent I like to play fair and with a mouse. Idiot devs.

[@shootemupgaming5418]

Same here the games dev's is killing gaming for me no 1 has skills anymore it's all about controller players and soft aimbot witch is aim assist.

[@The_Superconsole]

As shroud said keep them separate. Respawn are idiots for thinking that 1v1s dont base its outcome on aim heavily....

[@drag0zu]

As a "Old guy" coming from q2/q3 and UT I think that fast-paced shooters should be about your skill without any assistance. You should have to aim and not any tracking-algorithm. If anyone wants to play with a controller- go for it without any help.

[@fabiobianchi1981]

same here, used to play a lot of UT....that was all skill and map knowledge

[@shootemupgaming5418]

Same here I come from the golden age of gaming I'm a mouse and keyboard player and the UT games was the shit but epic games killed all UT games deleted them from the store and shut down the servers for that trash game Fortnite.

[@sharoch]

If controllers are the majority? 80-20 split then a hard nerf to aim assist won’t effect the game as 8/10 fights will be against another “nerf” players. Seems fair to me to slash aim assist by 50% As a MnK player I’m gutted every time I lose to what appears to be a hacker but in reality is a controller, so I go on to watch their game and that players games sense is terrible and the only reason they won was because of essentially a “in built hack” 50% nerf go aim assist let’s go! If I lose to a MnK player it’s because they are better than me which is FAIR! Not because it’s a inbuilt hack.

[@shootemupgaming5418]

Same I rage at aim assist and how a no skilled player can beat me a skilled mouse and keyboard players it's fu*en BS.

[@alexanderschulze7767]

controller players have way better statistics(kills and dmg) in tournaments for a long time even when a pk, mastiff or eva were still the meta. flatline and 301 have always been meta along the smgs like volt and longer ago also r9 and it only got worse with the car. good movement is important in apex obviously but aside all the other important factors u gotta do the damage and knock ppl before the knock u and there its about consistency and aim assist is just more consistent. its a balance thing. an unassisted controller player has obviously no chance against mk because its just the inferior input but with aim assist in place its all about the balancing and thats where we are for a long time its just a little too op.

[@wights6365]

plus apex is allot of close range fighting and controller have huge advancement then with 0 skill

[@gaming4K]

@@wights6365 In final ring you literally have to go close range. .

[@wights6365]

@@gaming4K and you litt cannot read

[@booker4984]

As someone who, has over thousands of M&K practice and experience. I switched to controller and my KD is ridiculously high. Went from 1.2-1.3 to a 1.8 consistnsr

[@beamertoy]

Thanks to ppl being passive about the subject there are PC players that are now using ways to exploit aim assist because honestly, in close to mid range (which is usually 90% encounters in the game with the exception of late game) it is so powerful that you don't need crazy movement to clutch 1v3. If you don't think that makes a difference, you're so wrong. We'll only continue to see the frustration of it so long as PC and Console compete on the same space. And I don't blame PC for trying to utilize it. It is so stupid how people are downplaying how strong it is to have a 0 second tracking reaction time. It basically ruined MWII to the point where no one wants to play it on PC

[@gaming4K]

In PC lobbies there is no place for soft aimbot. Even if you think it's not it's literally is. It helps you aim just like an aimbot. .

[@wights6365]

with macro's on controller for tap strafe super glide and stuff it is more easy for controller to use then mnk so that movement bs is not valid anymore

[@Turbo-c5d]

The solution is very simple. Remove crossplay. We as MnK players, didn't put years of dedication, practice and frustration to improve our aim and movement in Apex, just to get 1 clipped by any noob with a controller just when we started getting good at it. It's stupid. EA has become a greddy trash company as it is and Respawn is just doing plain stupid things, No wonder Apex is dying.

[@karlandreas7837]

I don’t know in This can be realised, but maybe it is a good idea to reduce the value of aim assist the closer the enemy is. For example if you are realy close to your enemy your value is 0.2 and in midrange you get 0,5 and longrange 0,7 (not sure if these values are fair) So controller gets nerved in close range, but a buff in longer ranges (so they can compete with m&k in long range)

[@onlinegamer3134]

What games are yall getting into? Cause i play controller(console) and i have to deal with 2 people jumping on me at every corner. Aim assist doesn't track both of them and aim assist won't save your aim when you eventually drop 1 guy. Controller(PC) may be broken but most the lobbies console players have.... is PC dominated

[@fjshrederr4848]

I agree with your analysis. I try to tell people this solution but they don't listen. Happy I'm not the only person who believes in this answer

[@kyototheegamer7433]

I like playing on mouse and keyboard but have played on Playstation 4, Xbox One and Nintendo Switch, I do believe that Aim Assist is strong at close to medium range, I hit more shots with 4X Flatline than I do on mouse and keyboard. The one argument for controller though is micro adjustments especially at longer ranges, for me and probably the furthest minority of Apex Legends players though, I enjoyed using gyroscopic controls for those small adjustments.

[@jjohnnings3056]

I've been playing on console Apex for 2-3 years now and I'm not amazing but I can still play the game. AA I hardly ever notice and I don't know if that's because I'm just used to it or something else but AA has a MAJOR downside: it will lock onto downed guys. I have been killed several times just due to the fact that I'll be trying to aim or chase someone and my whole screen turns to the knocked guy. That could be due to the strength of it being so close to someone but I hardly ever feel it locking onto someone while I'm actually fighting.

[@angrygun7826]

That same lock is the same value as alive players so what does that tell you

[@nutorioty]

If you can turn off aim assist do it and u will turn it on very quickly

[@angrygun7826]

Same value as dead players as alive? Such a downside y'all need more aim, I meant aim assist to compensate

[@jjohnnings3056]

@@angrygun7826 You do know there is aim assist on PC right? Controller players just have a slightly heightened aim assist due to the fact that they only have their thumbs to aim whereas PC has their entire arm.

[@angrygun7826]

@@jjohnnings3056 yeah man that's how it works, wait wrong, mnk players do all the aiming while 5-12 year old Jonny just plugged in his new controller so he should get aim bot :) imagine complaing about locking onto players in a fps, absolute idiot

[@daveskladanowski5359]

Pro player are ruining apex whether it's aim assist or bow digi threat that's been there for 3 years. But now since bang is meta all the pros are whining like babies. Aim assist is fine. Pc has better control, better movement and better fps.

[@pakahmerali8598]

What do you mean by PC? Like 80% masters rank PC players play on controller lol

[@jcam1987]

88% to be precise are controller players

[@The_Superconsole]

Dude most pc players are roller. Shut up with ur stupid points

[@greysonbennett6788]

Nahhh dude youre playing aim assist legends in 2023. Sure the controller is hard to learn at first but after I played for a day or so I started beaming people. It's ridiculously easy.

[@yulfine1688]

dude the tick rate is litterally 20 and new consoles are 120 fps now so yeah doesnt matter plus what others have said.

[@djcetra]

It ruined the game, everyone that says otherwise is just coping.

[@iTzMoMurda]

I don’t believe it’s unfair. I play both pc and console. I can shred a controller player.. however I can see there slight advantage during cqb; but at the same time, put them at a distance… now who has the advantage? You think my thumb can outgun you using your whole damn arm to aim? Nope. You gotta be able to accept the pros and cons of whatever platform you decide to play on; do your research!

[@persi_sws]

Whole arm means more mistake

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

tfw you don't realize 90% of PC pros are on controller. This game is a joke.of a "competitive" fps. Only morons think assisted aim belongs in competition.

[@iTzMoMurda]

@@persi_sws not really dude lol. But hey you have your opinion as do I.

[@jcam1987]

You can avoid long range battles in Apex with half a brain. AND, most gun battles are won close range where aim assist completely outshines MnK.

[@ryanhoang1123]

if you think about it a bit more, then you would realize that you have to close distance to actually kill someone. you can get knocks from 100m+, but you probably won't end up wiping them and you will probably be able to reset if you do get knocked

[@Slixbrah]

Lame all the controller players on PC

[@xkambing]

Evolution.

[@persi_sws]

hey Guys ! conclusion in 1 word : Yes

[@MADNESSwelshmaster]

Look tap strafing outputs 0 damage also if you want to improve pick up a controller 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅 all I'm trying to say is at the end of the day its night 😂💯❤️ also a controller don't run out of mouse pad 😅🤣😂😅

[@jxshh.2x127]

No way you’re trying to say a thumb stick has more control over aim than a mouse on a mousepad 😂 y’all MnK players are hilarious dawg

[@MADNESSwelshmaster]

@@jxshh.2x127 no I'm litrelly taking the piss omegalul

[@PIayer420TV]

i respect you guys going on this talk about aim assist but really aim assist probably isnt the problem. cronus zen apparently messes with your aim assist somehow and can make it more sticky and thats the problem. people are using devices to get an advantage which is cheating but its not just blatant wall hacks so its not ban worthy because the game doesnt detect hacks. thats the problem. people taking any advantage possible. just give me mnk only lobbies and controller only lobbies.

[@KunoichiTin]

Why is aim assist there in the first place? I think it is there because analog stick control is not as precise as hovering over a plane with mouse. There's a gap in precision/accuracy between these 2 inputs imo. With a mouse, it literally follows the way you go over a flat surface, and that surface can be wide. Pulling a lever with your thumb just isn't the same. Though honestly, I haven't tried playing Apex in a PC. Maybe Tom can try playing on a console with a controller and see if he gets better results. (No to beginner lobbies okay? 😊) Try building Wattson fences quickly in a certain pattern too.

[@JustAPriapism]

the arguement has never been about console. Console lobbies can have all the aimbot they want, the problem is when it comes into the PC space. Thats what the arguement is, if youre choosing to use an inferior input (as almost literally everyone agrees, no matter which side youre on), thats your choice, I shouldnt recieve a disadvantage for it.

[@spoon4228]

Maybe just get better at the game? You don't see pros complaining about aa

[@JustAPriapism]

@@spoon4228 they used to, until they all switched to controller

[@marcovazquez-ou2pv]

​​@@spoon4228they still do and most switched over to controller. What does that tell you. How does it feel to know you rely on literal aim bot

[@asazycat5467]

Do whatever you want with aim assist. I don't care. I play controller because I grew up with it for other games not because of the "crutch". If you remove it, I'll just learn gyro aiming because it is impossible to track without aim assist (at least not on 60fps anyways).

[@ryanhoang1123]

you dont need to worry if you are on console btw, this is about controllers in PC lobbies not console vs console since everyone SHOULD be on controller unless they are using hacks

[@Graczosowy]

soft cheat

[@TheNekoTears]

Aim assist has always been the same i play mk and controller not gonna make a argument here but aim assist is fine people just got better at it wich changed our perspectives aim assist is best at close nothing more

[@LordLazy]

I think the main problem is, that most PC players think AA is stronger than it is, and so they are very aggressive with their critic. Abd Controller players feel offended, because PC players often say, "I'm better than you, but you killed me because of AA" and every normal person would hate this. And so, controller player defend AA also very aggressive. I personelly think, AA is fine, but in High Rank like Dia+ and Tournaments it should be something like 0.2( MnK still has Hardware and some other little Advantages). In lower Elos AA doesn't matter that much, so i think there it is balanced.

[@vantiennguyen8006]

Jesus christ the thing literally track target for you, stfu. It is not aim assist anymore, it is auto aim

[@LordLazy]

@@vantiennguyen8006 Then take a controller, go in Firing range a check it out. If you have no clue, just shut tf up you little crybaby

[@AnEpicFatalityArchives]

AA is stronger than it should be u trippin

[@yulfine1688]

when the game aims 60% for you or 40% on pc for controller users then yeah and when over 90% of the pc playerbase champions are using controller now that really says something..

[@LordLazy]

@@yulfine1688 Yeah, but not 90% of the pros are on controller and the gane does not aim 60% for you. This is a huge misunderstanding because of the misleading designation of AA, and only shows how much you really know about this topic

[@cuzzohh2768]

It’s for sure not unfair. Pc players just cry cause roller players have finally figured out how to keep up. Which btw takes practice. I’ve had to practice recoil control, movement, tracking, and game sense is a whole other monster. There is just no way controller is better than MnK. MnK is just CLEARLY the better input.

[@Infinite620]

As someone else mentioned in the comments. I don’t like the fact they did not mention the cons of playing on controller. We can talk about the cqc of the final circle for the m&k who has to deal with AA and how it’s unfair. But we don’t mention all the controller players that got shredded by that M&K In the first few circles because they can’t track as good. There is a balance to everything.

[@jcam1987]

you can easily avoid long range battles in Apex. The game is built on medium and ESPECIALLY close rang battles. If a MnK players has to push a squad then they are at a disadvantage to controller players. If you can't understand that most top level rankings (i.e., Diamonds, Masters, Preds, Pros) are a majority controller players 88%, then I don't know what to tell you. Obviously, with weapons that favor controller players (i.e., SMGs) being stronger at this juncture, you can easily expect the ramifications of AA be even worse than anticipated at launch. Just because you are enjoying the benefits of AA doesn't mean it's not painfully hurting the MnK community. A lot of MnK players have left the community because people like you see the stats that are eroding the skill ceiling of the game and pushing people out and you just dont care as long as you have your AA, your bean bag chair, and your 60 inch tv. Casual.

[@Infinite620]

@@jcam1987 lmfao glad your feelings are so hurt over my general comment of wanting to hear another talking point. Maybe if you stopped crying and reread my comment, I didn’t take away that fact at all. I only stated that everything has an advantage and disadvantage. No one cares when half the controller players are wiped off the map by snipers and assault rifles before they even see another player but everyone gets super sad in the last circle just because they got outplayed by the last team. Also since we are saying information, let’s remember that one of the biggest problems in gaming is people using adapters to hack the game to play mouse and keyboard in controller ranked lobbies because of the advantage. Not to many people across all games are willing to be a controller in and m&k lobby and this can be seen in many games like siege and cod. Again i know how apex works and people are going to always use the better option which for pros is controller because of the unique playstyle. I understand everything they clearly mentioned and thank you for basically resaying the whole video like we didn’t both watch it. If Apex ever just the AA they will lose a large audience that supports because us “Causals” are the large majority who pay and support the game. And you not even get paid to play the game, everyone is a casual except for the top ranks of apex. Maybe if you went outside more you wouldn’t have time to insult people in the comments that you don’t agree with.

[@jcam1987]

@@Infinite620 I am working on my MBA and I don't even have time to play this game much, but it doesn't take a genius to see how this game will turn into a potato shooting simulator if a better BR comes out that's skillful. Valorant could make one that would blow Apex out of the water if they wanted. My feelings aren't hurt at all. I genuinely enjoy the challenge of playing assisted players. What you are failing to realize or purposely gloss over is sniping isn't viable to win games, except Kraber (which isn't a major component of the game). Sniping and ARing in Apex can get you some damage, but you aren't going to likely drop a squad long range unless you are 3rd partying. Any squad with half a brain on controller will bide their time and squad wipe up close until the circles are too small for MnK to be viable. This isn't PUBG where long range is superior. Long range is an ABSOLUTE joke in this game! The developers have made this game move fast and get small quick. If there was 100 players in a match, bigger maps, and more long range battles, then I would give you more weight to your argument. I am not saying AA should be gone from Apex because the casuals will undoubtedly leave, but they definitely should dial it back to .2 or .3 on PC and then do nothing to AA on console, but allow PC players to deselect crossplay. This would mitigate AA problems tremendously. They could also consider getting ride of rotational AA in favor of standard AA on PC. Maybe if you would stop being complacent and have a little more altruism to MnK players you would be taken seriously. I mean i am sure you wouldnt appreciate if a console game, built on AA was stripped of all AA in favor of MnK players and then MnK players started flooding your game and telling you to STHU about the transition you would be pretty salty too.

[@khlonoaa]

Nah y'all can't be fr rn, I play on controller and I'm getting quickscoped everytime I play with my Pc friends, its insanely unfair that you guys have a million advantages and yet cry when we controller players only have one, get off your high horses and grow up honestly

[@AnEpicFatalityArchives]

you really missed the entire point of what these people were saying.

[@Shuniverze]

Yall still on this...like kb obviously has a advantage aim assistant is no where near sticky aim or close with recoil it df doesn't matter

[@jcam1987]

The advantages of MnK are superficial compared to the strength of AA at medium to close range battles (especially hip firing, but ADS as well). If you can't see that 80+% of the top level rankings and pros are controller and MnK players are getting pushed out, then you really don't care about fairness at all.

[@bomblatur9149]

🤡🤡🤡 If you, with a 3k $ gaming setup including a RTX 3080, 64 GB RAM, mouse and keyboard with 0 input-lag using 5 fingers for keyboard and arm/Wrist and 5 finger muscles , with double monitor fullHD 144hz 30" (1ms), with astro or Razer headphones.....loose a gunfight agaist a teenager/kid using a bluetooth controller with a console 9 Years old, using the Living room TV that can AIM moving only the thumb tendon...Sorry "egg" but this means that you BLOODY need to go outside and touch some grass but for real

[@christiansmemefactory1513]

People with assisted aim don't get to talk about "skill issues".

[@whoisthisman591]

Before you type bullshit like this stop for a minute and think... First of all, not every pc player has a endgame pc that costs 3k, in fact, majority play on crap hardware that barely runs the game or is the bare minimum to just have fun. secondly, nobody is talking about pc vs console, you kids don't seem to understand that majority of people playing on pc are using controllers, every single advantage that you claim pc players have, roller players also have, the argument isn't pc vs console, it's mnk vs controller ( aim assist). It's literally facts that roller players have advantages, there were multiple cases of developers literally stating that controllers have the advantage looking at statistics, it's not a made up thing, and it's clear as day that it's true because majority of pro players are on roller or switching from mnk to controller but it's never the opposite. If someone that spends thousands of hours on mnk but decides to switch input , then there's obviously some kind of a advantage that players gets from doing so, otherwise nobody would do it , especially when competing for real cash prizes. Also roller players have some kind of mentality thinking that every single mouse player can track as good as pros, you have to realise that there are a lot of bad mnk players that are unable to do that because it takes countless hours of practice, even then , it's not humanly possible to be as consistent as controller with aim assist because there's no room for human error. Casual controller player will destroy a casual mnk player majority of the time, it's pointless to even argue about that.

[@jcam1987]

You should change your name to Dumblatur. You aren't understanding that you can't uncheck crossplay on ranked for PC. So, MnK players have to contend with heavy AA on console and buttery smooth AA for PC controller players on Apex. You don't quite understand that a majority of players at top ranks 80+% (i.e., Diamond, Master, Pred, pros) are controller players. They have pushed MnK players out due to midrange and ESPECIALLY close range battles completely winning games. The circles move fast and favor controller players inevitably. You can avoid long range battles very easily in Apex and controller players can close the gap in fights extremely fast. The weapons at this juncture are favored heavily to AA, i.e. SMGs. Having a whole mouse pad to aim just gives you more space to make mistakes when a controller player simply has to acquire the target and then use assist to mitigate tracking difficulties that MnK players experience. I can give you a good example of why controller AA will always lower skill ceilings and push MnK out. Example: you are in a tracking simulator and the average reaction time is about 250ms. MnK can track better for about 200-250ms, UNTIL the character changes direction and then randomly changes direction continuously. The controller player has an automatic assist that makes that tracking intuitive and fluid, whereas a mouse and keyboard player will over or under track very easily. This isn't even factoring your own character model moving. Adding your own character movement while tracking makes the tracking mechanics MUCH MUCH harder for MnK. If the top level pros, like Imperialhal (MnK pro) moving to controller and Snip3down (pro controller player from day 1) saying AA is too strong, then that's all you need to know.

[@Slixbrah]

Copium

[@yulfine1688]

considering the game is locked at a tick rate of 20 dont talk about shit you know nothing about. Next the game aims 40-60% for you meaning you have to do next to nothing super long range generally doesn't matter and it requires skill for most m&k players to even shoot accuratley at that range. Give m&k that 40% boost it becomes aimbot