Aiming for Success: Choosing Your Sight

There are a lot of options when it comes to sights for your set up in the field. These are the most common options that we see customers using. In this video I discuss the differences between sights and the pros and cons of each.
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[@InsideOutPrecision]

Hope this video helps you choose the best sight for you. Feel free to comment if you have questions!

[@ashmerch2558]

This video saved me ALOT of time

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@ashmerch2558 Glad to hear it Ash!

[@ashmerch2558]

@@InsideOutPrecision those Option sights are NOT cheap.... looks like my Helix is going too have to wait a couple more weeks, but it should like the 8-pin

[@ohsweatbret]

I love your videos, they are very informative. I have a request that may also help others. Could list the names of the products you discuss in order? I have a hearing impairment and I sometimes have trouble making out the name of some products and auto captions sometimes don’t work well with company/brand names. Thanks again for the informative videos, it has helped to see close up visuals when describing certain features, it has helped me become more familiar seeing bow terms I’ve read being shown

[@TheFrenchy47]

Could you post a link to each of the sights?

[@rangerguy196]

I've been watching his videos for several days now. This is officially my new favorite channel.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Awesome! Glad its helping out 👍

[@njm3211]

I'm astonished at the amount of choices for equipment in this sport. It never ends. Amazing.

[@glm88]

Most helpful archery channel for beginners, no fluff straight talking about gear and techniques 👍🏻

[@NikeMS11]

This was the best introduction to sights I have seen. Nice job and thank you!

[@geminidream4347]

Thank you. Very informative for a beginner who knows nothing. I have subscribed to you because I like how you explain everything for people like us, beginners who know nothing but want to learn.

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

Referring to another one of your videos, my mind was having problems the pin in the way of the target. So I have fitted a hindsight 2 inside of my slide scope housing and then fitted a center ring to the four sight blades, working great! Can only get better if I add a mag lens to it which I still can.

[@davistran4086]

Best video on sights I have seen thank you!

[@brandontracy2621]

Wow!! That last sight is a goal, of course shit comes first but gotta put a slush fund just for that sight. Awesome vid on the different types of sights..👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@russellwall6752]

This guy deserves more subscribers

[@AdventuresinSoutheastAlaska]

I love your videos. I’m just getting into archery and they are helping me a lot. Thanks for making them.

[@warrenmorgan304]

How’s practice going?

[@Thedudeabides803]

Love your videos man. That’s all

[@gabrielstinson735]

Did you end up putting an option archery sight on your bow? I'm looking at getting one. I love the option to have both fixed and 1 movable pin on the same sight.

[@ScottWConvid19]

I was going to see affiliate links in the description to support your channel and get a new sight

[@castlefrank9302]

looking forward to your bow build video！

[@raymondwilson9662]

I’m just getting back into this after 23 years and with all of the changes in this sport I was wondering about the lighted single dot sight set up I just bought a stone grey Mathews Traverse and I’m setting it up and I’m not sure what sight to get I’m not planning to hunt with it just going to kill paper but with all of the options I was think of starting with a single dot because I think it would be easier to get use to By the way I love how good you are at making all of your videos your the reason I went with the traverse your info is always helpful

[@daltonwilliams8272]

CBE single pin is a amazing sight have one on my halon 32 6

[@improveyourarchery]

Great information, very detailed!

[@amandamedeiros3944]

Cant wait to get my new sight

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

Subscribed. Thanks for the info! -Nick 😃👍

[@jimstinson9300]

Just bought the Option sight a couple weeks ago, I love it!!! Had the 3 pin black gold, it is a good sight, just wish I would have bought the Option sight when I bought my bow. I really love the Option sight, shooting way tighter groups at 40 and 50 yards. Of course I bought it at the Bow Rack.

[@vincentflauto7650]

Great video man!! thanks!!

[@jeffbennett4956]

Love the video man I got the fuse flywheel in this video but got alittle ahead of my self I understand the adjustments and pins but I got no sight tape or how to use it if I did lol any help would be greatly appreciated thanks and great vid

[@Hungrybird474]

My bow came with a fuse and it’s all set and works beautifully . I’m afraid to change anything but I would prefer a one pin with adjustable yardage seems practical . You ll rarely shoot an animal on the ground from 20 yards in my experiences . In a tree yeah 20 yards . On the ground count on 40 yds at least and know your yardages . Seen a lot folks shoot right under their target including me which is why I say this 😂. Growing pains from back in the day .

[@michaelfettes8648]

With that housing on the Option sight able to extend out like it does and assuming you shot a bow with it attached a time or two, have you noticed any additional noise after the shot? By that, I mean any loose parts that make a rattling noise? Or is it pretty solid still even after a shot is executed?

[@larrydriver4416]

Did you end up adding the Option archery sight to your bow and how do you like it? I'm looking at the 5 pin sight from them.

[@chasedixon6803]

Could you possibly go into detail on sight axis tuning? Very fuzzy subject that I feel like a lot of people don’t understand. Including me!

[@jeffmwoods]

excellent video, thankyou

[@h2olove]

Can you explain how the single pin works? Does the tape only work for one bow speed? If you change the arrow weight, do you need to change the tape?

[@HarleyQuinn_93]

That single sight pin is pretty nice. I like the idea of dialing in the animal like it’s a sniper rifle scope, or a mortar! I’ll be hunting from a blind mostly so dialing wouldn’t be so difficult. I would just fine tune the yardage from the blind to the feeder right when I sit down in the blind. If I see the animal I’m hunting show up a little closer, I’ll just dial for how far away I believe it is.... that being said there is human error in guessing yardage so that’s why the multi pins are nice. Then again, I’m pretty sure there’s small pocket size range finders out there. So I like the idea of a 10 pin sight and I go up by fives for each lower pin. 10 yards, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, and 55 yards. I can’t think of a realistic scenario in where I shoot a deer beyond 55 yards... at that point, even with sights it’s like taking pot shots...

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I know it sounds nice but when you get that many pins in a sight the potential for using the wrong pin is very high. Also, the gap between the pins would be so tight you wouldn't be able to see what you're aiming to save your life. Much easier to go with 3 pin head on a slider. That way you have a working range from 20-40 without having to move anything, but have the option of dialing it further when needed.

[@lspostma]

Is the room you shoot these videos in part of the retail showroom or is it in the back work area? Tell Wayne hi.

[@jonbouley3805]

Great video. I’m looking for a new sight and this is exactly what I needed.

[@Tango374]

Really interested in that Axcel. What model?

[@zhickman338]

So glad I found this channel ❤️

[@quintinkale1242]

Great video I am considering a fuse 5 pin fly wheel mainly run fixed but intend on hunting out west in 2021. Are they made in the USA? I have a sword punisher 3 pin for hunting Ohio whitetails. Father has the black gold mountain lite loves it. Thanks for the great video.

[@DB-qm4jx]

I was wondering the same thing. And who makes them for fuse

[@johnmckee7988]

Dose G5 still make their five pin sight? Thanks John

[@waynemaster2752]

I have a spot hog 5 pin hogg it good sight

[@2thmkr127]

I adjusted pins back in ‘88 on my unlabeled Bear Whitetail II sight. I’ve had enough of that. Also... How did I used to kill bucks without a level for years & years? I’m all for the fancy stuff, but shouldn’t it be less of an effort to sight in with the tech these days?? Sincerely, The Grumpy Old Asshole P.S. I really dig your videos!

[@jordanpowell228]

I currently have an axcel rheotec pro, 5 pin. Its a great sight but id like to get rid of a few pins without being able to shoot long range. Ive decided on a 3 pin slider, my two choices are the new black gold pro with a dovetail or the new cbe engage hybrid. These sights are super similar but i have no firsthand experience with cbe and its nearly 100 cheaper and im not sure if it has the warranty blackgold comes with. As a guy who sees firsthand when equipment fails which sight of these two would role with?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Personally I would go with the Black Gold. The CBE has very thin metal pins and I've seen them bend numerous times. Thanks for watching!

[@MrShysterme]

I get some buck fever. One of the best things I've done is switch to a moveable single pin. It makes me so much more focused. Once I set up, I pick the best yardage pin set up for that site and know what I have to do at each location I've ranged. For almost all stand locations, I leave my pin at either 20 yards or 25 yards. If the deer is at 40 yards, I have time to move the pin. I shoot a 300 fps bow, and if I set my pin at 25 yards, then I can shoot center of kill zone from 0 to 30 yards. For a woods treestand hunter, I feel they are vastly superior. They are also really fun because in the summer you can do things like practice at 60 yards (more easily, if you have an HHA that sets all your yardages for you once you sight in). I'd encourage any hunter to check one out.

[@threeomgthree]

That sounds really cool. I like the idea of being able to focus on the one pin more it makes a lot of sense

[@ernestodelao1601]

I like that idea too. Switching too an entire new setup. Having to range every thing outside of 30 and move the sight scares me tho. More movement. I've never shot at anything outside of 30 tho just my comfort zone, but with this new setup I'm hoping to increase tht range.

[@ernestodelao1601]

Also this 3rd axis stuff is totally new too me is it really necessary? What a price increase for tht option. Midwest whitetail hunter.

[@MidValleyMercenaries]

Great video

[@IamtheArcher777]

How is it that im just seeing your channel. Great vids, good info i just spent 275 on a CBE (TL3) and so far i love that thing. I may have gone a different way had i come across your vids earlier. Anyhow keep them coming.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Thanks! CBE makes good stuff, you shouldn't have any problems. Keep em in the middle

[@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music]

Wow 275 I hope it is 3 pin slider?

[@IamtheArcher777]

@@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music Indeed it is.

[@theguyinmaine]

always looking. Not always buying, been through that. HHA Optimizer ultra, single pin has been my go to for a while. I'll stick with it. Evoke 31, good enough and been through the drop downs, back to a good whisper biscuit. Simple is my solution.,

[@stokermeister3]

Are there sights for the Hoyt Maxxis 31 ? And arrow rests

[@jpvalent]

Hey Love your videos, can you share your thoughts on the IQ sights with the retina lock technology?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Its a gimik. If its not lined up when you get to full draw, them you have to deliberately torque the bow until it is. The sightnis made well, but the Retina lock is a joke

[@MyFriendsAreElectric]

Yo man. I don't hunt, but shoot target and 3D courses. I've been considering a 5 pin. Why do people use 1 pin sights when they could use a target style pin with magnification? It seems they both rely on tape markings, have fibres, etc.

[@steven_farmer89]

I know this is 2 years old but this is still valuable information. Great video, what shop are you working at (bow rack?)? I have extended family near Portland, just another reason to stop by. Thanks

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Thanks for the kind words! Yes, I work at the Bow Rack

[@PBS-nm1uu]

great presentation please do one on peep sights thanks

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Thanks for the comment! We actually have a video on peep sight selection. Go to the "videos" on our KZbin channel and you should see it. Keep it Inside Out!

[@joshfernandez3193]

Love your videos bro

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Thanks Josh! Keep it in the middle 👍

[@jaketinaboxer]

what was the second one he showed. was an axcel but didn't say the the model.

[@windstretch]

Why don't you have an EZV bow sight?

[@stevethedude8740]

Can you talk about pin size and colors? I hunt the East and often am in the woods to dark thirty. Not sure what color(s) show best at dusk and not sure about size vs. precision. I don't think having a different color for every yardage is best if one color shows poorly in low light.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Green seems to show up the best, and the standard .019 seems to be the best overall size. Lots of people will order a sight with the first three pinsat .019 and the last two pins in .010 so they have the precision at distance. As far as all one color, that can be risky because in the heat of the moment it's very easy to mis-pin if they're all the same color. I'd suggest going 2 green, red middle, 2 green. That way you have a different color to help you differentiate which pin is which. Thanks for watching! Good shooting to you.

[@h2olove]

Please list the names of the sights you talk about. I caught a few of them, but not all.

[@piche090391]

Great video, I recently just got into bow shooting and I already can tell that the 6 pin is too busy for my taste, so I will be changing it for a 3 pin movable sight pretty soon. You're guys are awesome.

[@colbybyrne4080]

Where can I find links to all of these

[@AutomagicAdventures]

I have a question. The trophy Ridge react V5 sight. The instructions say that you can sight in top pin at 20 and then one additional pin of choice (30 or 40) An all of the pins will move and adjust accordingly. My question would be if you want your top pin zero at 30 yards, and then sight in the (40 or 50) yard pin would that work or do you have to have top pin at 20 yards for the spacing to work?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Not sure how that would work. Havent tried it

[@AutomagicAdventures]

Inside Out Precision To me it seems like conceptually it should work. Would you be willing to ask some of the other guys at the bow rack their opinion?

[@thehunter9149]

Do any of these have that pin light? I knew someone who had a sight that had a small light to light up the pins

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Almost all of them have an adapter for a light. Here in Oregon, sight lights are illegal so we don't usually put one on, but in a low light situation they're nice

[@raysimonds3927]

I'm surprised you didnt add in the retina IQ and trophyridge react one pro sights. Definitely up there in terms of ease of use and affordability. Great sights as well

[@eleazarflores2273]

Looking for the 8 pin guard with the fixed 5 pins but I was redirected to an ebay page and would like to purchase the one on your video. What is the link to your shop.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Just give us a call at 5417469711. I dont think we have them on our website

[@jkpisces]

great video , my question is can you adjust those multipin sight's axis that comes with a ready to shoot package like bowtech or diamond archery? what happens if you cant adjust the 2nd and 3rd axis on a multipin hunting bow setup? is it detrimental to accuracy? thank you

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Most sights that come in a kit don't have a 2nd and 3rd axis adjustment.

[@jkpisces]

@@InsideOutPrecision yea but what can I do if it doesn't have the adjustments ? Is it that bad for accuracy ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@jkpisces definitely doesn't help accuracy if it doesn't have the ability to make adjustments!

[@jkpisces]

@@InsideOutPrecision thanks a lot . so if to compare IQ micro sight with retina lock vs spothog Tommy sight (which i know is very adjustable) . would the retina lock gain the upper hand or the tommy sight ? i know the IQ bowsight are not adjustable for 3rd axis and minor adjustment for 1st and 2nd .

[@colhutchins]

Hey, thanks for the info. Can you put a list of the exact sights used. Particularly the axcel. Cheers

[@shamux4043]

I believe the sight is an Axcel Rheotech.

[@mikediodati1149]

One outstanding review. Knowledgeable and well presented. How could anyone go thumbs down. Thanks.

[@Life-of-Bluegrass_Music]

I use a HHA 35/19 and a HHA 55/19 sliders.HHA 35/19 3 pin slider $179.00. I seen the CBE 3 pin sliders for the same price. No need to spend $200 - $300 for a sight that isn't and better. Trophy Ridge is junk

[@lisahartlaub5485]

Hi, why is Trophy Ridge junk? Serious question as I have a Trophy Ridge Mist and I don't know how I would benefit by having a better sight? Thanks, I just don't know what I'm missing.

[@brianmoczynski5989]

I like the 5 fixed pin because you don’t have to adjust. With that being said when I’m looking at a deer thru my pin my brain and adrenaline blends all those pins together in the heat of the moment. I think I’m gonna go with a 1 pin sight. Target shooting & shooting a deer are wayyyy different to my brain. Maybe it’s cuz I’m young & not super experienced.

[@shownomercyfromgraz]

i have 2 questions . the last sight is this aviable with 5 pins (4 fix and 1 slide ) for left hand too (i only found 4 and 6pin) ? and can i order it from you cause in europe i dont get it ? greetings from austria and thx for your good videos ( cause of u i order my travers :-) )

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah they don't offer it in the website, but you can get them built with any pin configuration you want. We get them built with the 8 pin housing and 5 pins so that you get more distance out if it. Thanks for your support man! Glad I could aid in your decision!

[@shownomercyfromgraz]

@@InsideOutPrecision thx for the answer . how can i order it from you ? and did u send to europe too ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@shownomercyfromgraz yeah we ship all over the world! If you can call us at the shop at 541-746-9711 we can get your credit card info and get it shipped out as soon as possible.

[@glennprince9983]

Did you go with the Option site. If so how do you like it

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Still shooting my old fast eddy haha. The option is a great sight butni cant get the range out of it that I want for practice. With my set up I can only get about 85yards

[@ggexploringUT]

What’s your opinion on the react sights?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Theyre okay, but don't work for every set up for some reason

[@vikp6115]

How about digital Garmin sight , it has built in range finder ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah they're crazy expensive and dont work in rain, snow, or foggy conditions.

[@someoneyouknow96]

Your website does not sell much if there is no online catalog. All I found was eBay sales and even then it wasn’t many items.

[@darrynpacheco4358]

This is somewhat unrelated to this video, but I have a normal 7 pin sight and I’ve run out of adjustment on the right and left adjustment (not sure which axis that is) the bow is finally shooting straight but is literally on the last hash mark before there will be no more adjustment, also the bow is paper tuned out to 20 yards, what can I do? Thanks

[@InsideOutPrecision]

What brand of sight is it? You can usually move the head to the other side of the mounting bracket

[@darrynpacheco4358]

It is an IQ sight with the micro adjustable knobs, I’m not sure what model

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@darrynpacheco4358 on most sights you can move the housing to the other side of the mounting bracket

[@kb9lqn]

I just ordered a Hoyt RX3 Ultra my draw is 32 and weight is 70# shooting Target having trouble with rest sight and stabs help??

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I like Spot Hogg, Montana Black Gold, and Option sights. The Vapor Trail Gen 7, Hamskea Hybrid Pro hunter, and Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro are all great rests. I like B Stinger and Spider Stabs.

[@kb9lqn]

@@InsideOutPrecision I will be shooting Target indoor mostly I was looking at be stinger premiere 30 in front and 10 or 12 for rear the sight axcel achieve with 9in extension and purple scale with 1 5/8 single dot scope drop away rest limb driven by bottom limb in time I want a proforce for Target and have the rx3 ultra for either a back up bow or a 3d bow still having a hard time with the rest want micro adjustability and something for both Target and 3D and my release is the truball goat thinking Easton superdrive 27 but problem finding right one at 32in draw and 70# what arrow would you shoot thanks again

[@exinfernnus]

That option sight with a circular cage is something I would look for. I like using the glow ring to co-witness my peep.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah the problem with the smaller housing is that you can't get much distance out of the sight. I never shoot animals past 60 or 70 like practicing at 90+

[@EDHBowman]

Do you know if there is a 4x lens option for the Option Archery 4S sight? I've tried to message Dan on his site but haven't heard back...

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Not that I know of.

[@nolanvanetten9932]

@@InsideOutPrecision Hey, what about peep sights? How will they work if the sight isnt round and trying to align the edges of the peep to the sight?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@nolanvanetten9932 yeah that can be tricky. as long as you can see the top and bottom of the sight it's easy to align, but sometimes people have to go to a bigger peep aperture to accomplish that

[@Bustin0623]

What brand was the brand of the last sight please

[@InsideOutPrecision]

It's made by Option

[@Bustin0623]

@@InsideOutPrecision thank you!!

[@dustinwarner6859]

What excel sight is the fixed five pin I’d like to pic one up

[@InsideOutPrecision]

The armortech HD

[@aymanjoudar5425]

How abour Oaklyblow profile glasses

[@dillonsmith992]

Does anyone know the model of the 5 pin axcel in the video?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Its the armortech HD I believe

[@cjyt6491]

About the best reviews online atm. Yourself Lucas from #Archerytalk and #StevenHann from Australia...

[@l1ttleguy1]

Fixed 5 pin for elk set at 25,40,50,60,70 who’s got a better idea?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Always a solid choice. But when wanting to shoot farther, or have the ability to dial your sight to the exact yardage your shooting, you can't beat a multi-pin head on a slider 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@l1ttleguy1]

Inside Out Precision if I could only have one sight it would be a 3 pin slider. I like the ruggedness and simplicity of a fixed pin sight for elk

[@redneck4200000]

Looks like all sights are basically the same, was thinking about getting a good one but I’ll break this cheap one first lol

[@gabrielmiranda3413]

How do I go about getting that option archery sight?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Call the shop at 541-746-9711...we can ship it.

[@scottlambert6640]

@@InsideOutPrecision what is that model?

[@2ndAveScents]

When you talk about a sight, can you say the name of it a couple times instead of just at the beginning so that I know the name of it and don’t have to find the exact moment you said it and I missed it

[@mikeelder9263]

I'm a left handed shooter. I have to take a right handed sight and turn it upside down. Causing a limited ability to adjust my sight.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Most higher end sights come in right and left handed models

[@raymondwilson9662]

Were are you guys located ?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Springfield OR, www.thebowrack.com/

[@Zendail]

What, no EZ V?

[@shandor2522]

It's a great review and the makers are clearly vying for the buyer's dollar by offering more and better functionality. However they are all too complicated and there needs to be a breakthrough in simplicity. After all, American Indians hunted deer and buffalo with the crudest technology, so there's a happy medium somewhere out there.

[@mgde13]

Lots of useful information, too many ads....

[@neillangston1880]

We’re your shop ar

[@Kaletiel]

What about lens sights?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

You only want to use a lense for a target set up. If they get dusty, wet, or fog up, you won't be able to see anything

[@Kaletiel]

@@InsideOutPrecision good to know, thanks! (Beginner target shooter here)

[@SplinteredCompany]

I just can't justify an expensive sight. Mine's about $90Au. I think they are like cars, A BMW is nice and flashy, but it does the same thing that a car at 10% of its price does. Sure, it might have a few more features, but its job is the same as the other. In other words, a $500 sight will do the same thing an $80 sight will, just a bit more flashy. In my opinion.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Can be true. 1st, 2nd and 3rd axis adjustments are a must have in my opinion though.

[@toddferrell518]

Sights with 1 3/4 sightings?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

What do you mean by 1 ¾ sightings?

[@toddferrell518]

@@InsideOutPrecision I shoot a react one with the smaller sight housing and a verifier and all sights I have tried are to big to see the sight , react one is 1 3/4 housing and the other sight I bought is 2 1/4 ,peep and sight don’t line up

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@toddferrell518 oh gotcha. Sounds like you just need a a larger peep.

[@allanfisher37]

Great vid. However the one sight that I was most interested in learning about, you didnt cover it in the video. The sight thats 2nd last in the line of sights. to the left side of that last oval shaped sight. That one looks most suitable for target shooting and looks like it has the smallest housing. I was most interested in seeing the review on that one but it wasnt talked about here :-( Other than that great vid and thanks for sharing.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

The Option? Its actually one of the largest housings and wouldn't be my first choice for target shooting. If you want a target sight get a single spin slider.

[@mikekupetsky6879]

Come on man it's call gapping

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Yeah you can still shoot the gap with multiple pin heads. But if you have the time, why not be able to dial it to exactly the yardage you are shooting and aim more precisely?

[@ozziejim8472]

Guessing ranges is a good way to wound smaller deer.

[@adriannasanchez468]

Youre always guessing ranges. Unless you rangefind every deer.

[@joejoelesh1197]

More game has been harvested (humainly) with simple fixed pin sights than with any of the others. Spend the time, learn your equipment, and learn to truly hunt. If you want to take 50+ yard shots at game, just go gun hunting.

[@williamroby7245]

no no

[@InsideOutPrecision]

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[@whysoserious9414]

None of this made sense 😐

[@InsideOutPrecision]

If you're new to archery you may not understand some of the terms.

[@whysoserious9414]

@@InsideOutPrecision I'm a newborn making a list of things like accessories I'll need/ want on my bow I buy in 2 weeks. I'm deciding between a Hoyt Nitrux, Hoyt Axius, and maybe a Hoyt Rx4 Ultra (If they sell a non-carbon version because I don't want to spend $1,750) or a Mathews Tactic, Mathews Traverse, or a Mathews VXR 31.5 (The VXR is #1 on my list unless someone can answer my question between the Axius and Rx4 when I go to the Archery store tomorrow).