Aimjunkies v Bungie is finally over

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Sweatcicle

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@liamjrowan2896 Ай бұрын

It makes sense that they tried to appeal… them making cheats is the biggest tell that they don’t like losing 😂😂😂

@SKRRTCOBAIN00 Ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@sambrown9475 Ай бұрын

Goated comment

@liamjrowan2896 Ай бұрын

Honestly didn’t expect so many likes 😶

@Iolth Ай бұрын

so we're just gonna ignore CB's loyalty to the bit? rockin that maid outfit

@sambrown9475 Ай бұрын

Hadn't gotten that fair 🤣🤣🤣

@berylbell8452 Ай бұрын

CB has ALWAYS been loyal to the bit

@NahomieNaderi Ай бұрын

legalpdf AI fixes this. Aimjunkies v Bungie concludes.

@joelsmactavish3960 Ай бұрын

11:54 As far as I know, making cheat usually does not involve using original code of the game. But to bypass the game security (which is usually patented by the game company), there has to be some kind of mimic code to cover the injection of the cheat function into the game, which is very likely to violate the patent.

@Aldranor Ай бұрын

Gotta love copyright laws

@wredue3733 Ай бұрын

The more sophisticated cheats don't do any of that. They just find the addresses they need at startup and then read/update the values with low level OS calls. Anti-cheats wised up to that and now these types of calls are often able to be detected. Which is why most people who get away with cheating now run their cheats on a whole separate "computer", and use hardware to read / update the memory (DMA cheats).

@mr.t0xic100 Ай бұрын

On top of that, this isn’t necessarily a ‘its legal or its illegal’ sort of deal. It is also a contract law issue meaning that the chat makers have ti get their hands on the game to test their cheats, but the only real way for them to do that is to buy the game. Buying and playing the game automatically forces you into accepting the EULA and TOS. Which have provisions to protect against people cheating or making cheats. These are certainly enforceable. It doesn’t necessarily need to be criminal for you to get sued

@embly2319 Ай бұрын

was looking for this comment cause yea. as someone with a cybersecurity degree who is also pretty familiar with these types of laws, i find Bungies assertion that reverse engineering code is in and of itself a violation of copyright to be utterly ridiculous on several levels. if you legally obtain a product, you are legally entitled to take said product apart in basically any way you want. now, taking that product apart might violate a warranty, or ToS, and the company has every right to ban you, but it most certainly is not illegal unless you are redistributing source code, which is not something that is needed to make a cheat. with all that said, there are specific situations where you kinda have to break the law to get your cheats working. i remember one time when some ROM modders had to essentially exfiltrate proprietary encryption keys in order to get a replay feature to work in the game they were modding. in this instance, they would have to store these keys within the mod client, and something like that is definitely skating a very fine line from a legal perspective. so yea, im honestly really skeptical of Bungies whole position here, but there could also be evidence against the cheat makers that we don't know.

@zt420 Ай бұрын

@@wredue3733 theres a public dma provider for destiny 2 but the setup cost is crazy

@devist8er117 Ай бұрын

6:07 fun fact, his mouse dies here and he had to plug it in

@Zagafur Ай бұрын

i hate it when people dont edit those sounds out of their videos

@devist8er117 Ай бұрын

@@Zagafur it was a much bigger ordeal on stream, most of it was edited out

@The-Bimbus Ай бұрын

Bro the line at 1:06 made me think my monitor was going bad.

@DndjSksk-s6g Ай бұрын

0:26 NOOOOOOOO U AREN’T ITS THE LOGO OF THE SUIT

@アーロン-w2u Ай бұрын

Losers will always be losers! With cheats and without!. Bungie should look into the 5% crucible and trials leaderboards. I'm pretty sure they have pretty good gaming "Chairs"!

@realbigflopa Ай бұрын

cant wait for an 8 hour stream tomorrow for the new episode just for sweat to play sekiro after 2 minutes

@RegenAgent Ай бұрын

Hate to break it but bro booked a trip for Hans Zimmer so he won't be back till Thursday

@E2theQ Ай бұрын

4 uploads in a week. I can finally finish my gooning session.

@Flitzzzzy Ай бұрын

bro...

@HelloHello-yw7xt Ай бұрын

@SKRRTCOBAIN00 Ай бұрын

🫡

@weaklyxonin Ай бұрын

I beg your pardon???

@NamebeDale_592 Ай бұрын

Say wha now?

@matthewhoffmeister2092 Ай бұрын

As the illustrious David Schafer once said, “Double or nothing”

@JuiceBoxHero98 Ай бұрын

This trial may actually force lawmakers to classify cheating as an illegal practice. Gaming may just be saved because of Mr. Schafer which is insane to say.

@yoshi02. Ай бұрын

I want Sweatcicle to represent me next time in court 🗣‼️‼️‼️

@scoty_does Ай бұрын

If aim Junkies was based in Jamaica / Russia /etc.. could bungie ever sue? It feels to me like the real issue is the game is inherently mod'able for cheats + bungie like to put up some high-walls for loot. I could see Aim junkies will finding a way to drain all of their cash and pay bungie lawyers $0. Fold up/go bankrupt and start another company in a more friendly territory.

@zagr8fulded959 Ай бұрын

When you said pulled a poki I thought it was the n-word lmaoo

@TheForbiddenMoon Ай бұрын

now it's time to stop console cheating with zens and stuff it's killing the game completely

@Sentarry Ай бұрын

10:00 May is a doofus. He thought he could get out of further trouble but dug himself deeper into it. I find it absolutely hilarious. Oh, the irony.

@Sentarry Ай бұрын

Cheating itself isn't illegal as long as you aren't the cheat maker or the vendor or distributor of the cheats. So his argument "Cheating isn't illegal" was the wrong argument to choose for himself; I don't condone cheating.

@Daddyeh30 Ай бұрын

Bros on an upload streak

@akaNexusHD Ай бұрын

Need change text chat to something different than white so that we can read chat

@akaNexusHD Ай бұрын

Great vid nonetheless!

@LordOhmes Ай бұрын

Mike Ross at home

@raccoon-boi- Ай бұрын

sweatcicle the lawyer we all need after the case run a raid

@electro1163 Ай бұрын

low-key i could see this going to the supreme court. It’s a legal gray area and it could be very consequential depending on the outcome. That would be really crazy if it did.

@AdamSlander888 Ай бұрын

That’s not why bungie sued them.

@PixelleHearts Ай бұрын

I find it funny how Sweat has had like no growth but has also has had no loss since that legal action video

@Gummibri Ай бұрын

I love how he had an unfitted suit with the tag still on it... 😀Go get it fitted, a Mexican place will charge you like $60 as long as you ask the price before they fit you.

@BoredPodcaster Ай бұрын

"Cheats aren't illegal." No, but your distribution of cheats, and players' subsequent usage of those cheats, causes Bungie's market to further stagnate out of the multiplayer sphere they've created (and ignored, give you that one), which could probably open you up to a tortious interference suit. I'm not a lawyer, but it's not outside the realm of speculation to make that connection, considering their entire business revolves around players consuming the product, and cheaters make that number go bye-bye. If you wanna cheat in your single-player game, fine, knock yourself out. But the second you cheat in an online game where you can have an advantage over another player, in a competitive environment, you should 100% have the book thrown at you.

@berylbell8452 Ай бұрын

I've always been a firm believer in going buck wild with mods and cheats in single player games but if I suck at a PVP/ online game I will either try to improve or simply stop playing. If I'm going to ruin someone else's experience it will be through my sheer ineptitude NOT by cheating.

@blakestewart7533 Ай бұрын

About goddamn time.

@brigasm Ай бұрын

Yeah paying with that much bitcoin sounds insane.

@calicoflo Ай бұрын

Aim Junkies successfully destroyed destiny pvp

@ihyxera Ай бұрын

4 fricking videos in 1 week this isn't real

@omegaprime223 Ай бұрын

12:00 Technically you don't need source code access to make cheats, it's harder, but hardware and middleman hacks (such as intercepting data on the way to the GPU to determine player positions in view) have been a thing forever.

@personman481 Ай бұрын

"cheating isnt illegal" yeah that's not why bungie is suing you.

@shotzy4064 Ай бұрын

Had to pause the beat sesh to watch this 💯 🔥

@adamjensenrz Ай бұрын

no amount of money will repair lost players that had enough of cheaters in the game

@Masterbates-Conner Ай бұрын

A trial?!? Like... Trials of Osiris. ITS A DESTINY REFERENCE

@BrentOfMan Ай бұрын

Fuck cheaters, I don't even play PvP but still hate people that like ruining everyone's fun because they suck at a video game

@theSixPathsOfTrains Ай бұрын

It is what it is.

@ThyDuckLord Ай бұрын

Someone already talked about it a little bit, but I think it can be possible to develop cheats without access to the source code; it would just be like navigating a maze without a map. The two I could think of are: reading the memory of game critical functions, or running a packet sniff. Both of these methods should be difficult to pull off without having access to the game's code, but if a dude is getting paid $700k for his skills, maybe he knows something we all don't. I fully believe they did break into the game one way or another, but I can see why it'd be difficult to prove and why it's not shut and close.

@FashionD2 Ай бұрын

So much content to hold my attention until revenant!

@jgalYT Ай бұрын

Swet probably has his suit pockets sealed too lol

@vugolol Ай бұрын

the irony of their logo lmfao

@heath2033 Ай бұрын

Dave and Goliath no fuck around and find out yes

@3ChZer0 Ай бұрын

We cookin with this one

@BuzzMatt Ай бұрын

I'm gooning as we speak

@pooeyy3921 Ай бұрын

🫡

@MrTrombonejr Ай бұрын

How is this not the same as cheating in a casino (which is illegal)

@WitherhoardHug Ай бұрын

Cause you are most likely not making an insane amount of money by using cheats, but selling them is entirely different.

@SPAC3H3R0 Ай бұрын

I bet sweatcicle doesn’t have the guts to conquer geometry dash and all demon levels in the main levels btw its hard

@nicoleangel497 Ай бұрын

is it just a coincidence his name is James May or is this the same James May form old top gear uk?

@Jonny_Nemo Ай бұрын

Ridiculous really, given they won't do anything about cheating themselves. If they started banning cheaters, they'd lose half their PvP player base. So many console Ximmers around that it's a fucking joke.

@sircosta6200 Ай бұрын

Who is the big guy in the back ?

@joshua117ify 2 күн бұрын

Dude it's going to go federal

@lukelaws3545 Ай бұрын

Holy uploads, did sweat remember his username and password??

@MrVad3r Ай бұрын

meanwhile in japan they can jail u for 5 yrs if u cheat in video games :D

@pierocolombo2643 Ай бұрын

Ngl been loving the videos of the lawsuits, i hope theres more eventually lol

@Sandercool99 Ай бұрын

Okay first of all I like the video .good Job sweat on that. Secondly to play devil's advocate (And I am not saying it is good to cheat) but isn't cheating in video games not banned yet by law in the US? Because on that point I would say they have a very legit point. I think a law should be present for that stuff.

@BotFisherman Ай бұрын

The only point aim junkies had is that it isn't illegal under US law. That doesn't stop it from being against Destiny's Terms Of Service

@MrNoble1997 Ай бұрын

So not all law is criminal law. There's civil law, and that deals with contracts. Terms of service are a contract. Violation of that contract opens you up to legal recourse. They won't go to prison, but they will need to pay a lot to Bungie

@arsarma1808 Ай бұрын

Cheating isn't illegal but they aren't being pulled into court over a criminal case. They were being sued for damaging Bungie's brand/service and/or violating their copyright in a civil suit, from what I can tell. Saying "but it's not illegal" is probably the most pointless statement possible in the eyes of this layman.

@jellyboi8027 Ай бұрын

@@kyedaby your logic we should get rid of a lot of other laws that don’t align with those horrible ones you just mentioned. Sorry to burst your bubble but illegal isn’t a blanket term. There is different levels to how illegal something is and trying to compare rape to cheating just because both are illegal makes you a dumbass. Ones a felony and one would probably be a minor offense. This point you tried to make isn’t as sound as you thought it was.

@kolbeblackford4948 Ай бұрын

@kyeda what? It would be on par with a misdemeanor at most. Rape, murder, gta, are felony charges. You're an idiot.

@Icy-g7q Ай бұрын

adrenalin junkie?

@64gigabytesofddr6ram8 25 күн бұрын

yeah lets go ! only 50 more cheat sites not to even say Aimjunkies could just give their stuff to other sites to sell like most of them do when they get taken down just give the stuff over and change the name

@Froowsy Ай бұрын

46k views in a day? a few short years ago a video like this would'ave gotten atleast 500k, this just shows how dead d2 is rn.

@UNKNOWN-fc2dd Ай бұрын

Took long enough

@Psikeadelic Ай бұрын

David lost. HAHAHAHAHA

@maplayer9391 Ай бұрын

Yippee, 3 am

@AVillainChillin Ай бұрын

Love to see it

@DragonKhy Ай бұрын

What the shit

@Destiney_Titan5 Ай бұрын

🎉

@mrsprinklepants5811 Ай бұрын

Cb dude 😂

@SlayerD25987 Ай бұрын

Woo

@wangblet Ай бұрын

world first

@evasiveupgrade Ай бұрын

Its a easy workaround. If you want to make cheats for a game, only make it avaiable for free. Then no copyright in the world can be used against you.

@strikerfury0695 Ай бұрын

Bungie saying they will continue to protect players against cheats is false. They have yet to do much of anything besides more maps for pvp.

@davidhines7592 Ай бұрын

the basic problem is cheaters make games unfun. that literally killed EA first battlefront. i remember confronting a cheater USING THEIR OWN LINK to a youtube channel. they spammed it in chat even while BOTH sides had stopped playing to shoot this guy with wallhack, shoot through objects, infinite jumpack and infinite health, one shotting everyone on rebel side. and you know what? he seemed genuinely shocked that people were so angry, that the rest of us were NOT having fun and laughing like it was a joke. he was more shocked when i pointed out how it could kill games, and he was directly responsible for making every player who bought the game effectively lose money when they stopped playing because cheaters made it no fun. and then some other guy turned up in the same comments making death threats to the cheater, which i said was out of order and over reacting. it is illegal here and in EU to tamper with proprietary program code so it is an offense. as an aside, i found cheating by russians and players who were from eastern germany, and former communist countries - except poland - was most common. not exclusive though, and now i see it common among mainland chinese players in other games.

@davidhines7592 Ай бұрын

just to be clear, i know german authorities went after one cheat maker for economic sabotage or damage to a game company, and won.

@ZomgLolPants Ай бұрын

"it's illegal to use copyrighted code" i'm sorry did bungie fail to report a data breach or something?

@falcontheberd Ай бұрын

if there was a data breach due to someone copying code, that means that the data is hardcoded in, which is not the case. so no data breach

@ZomgLolPants Ай бұрын

@@falcontheberd I'm saying that the only way these guys could have gotten the raw source code for that argument to be valid is if it leaked somehow which would qualify as a data breach

@falcontheberd Ай бұрын

@@ZomgLolPants i see your point, but most of the time you do not need to source code to create cheats. therefore it is unlikely they accessed the source code

@notmygrenade641 Ай бұрын

seeing how much money bungie makes and how terrible the games and updates (everything overall. the bungie rewards store is just massive rip-offs), i just want to see bungie lose. they are not the bungie that made halo or the original destiny.