Vocally Competent Groups In Kpop

[@nnnn-sc2im]

Itzy proves that being a performance focused group doesn’t mean that you completely ignore having good live vocals

[@Kvneeeeee1]

Yeah, their vocal tones are just boring, but they sing well

[@anagabriella4830]

@@Kvneeeeee1 Same. And i think their songs actually have high notes that some of them can't sing idk

[@justbecausedanae]

​@@anagabriella4830 Most of their songs are like that. They strain their voices a lot. Especially Yeji and Chaeryeong with their high notes.

[@billliealim]

I don’t think they have the best vocals in the world but they can definitely compensate their songs with their live singing. They would’ve been much much better if they get the proper vocal training especially when they are made to sing harder songs

[@erenthebirdyeager8407]

is this a Le sserafim shade?😶

[@mymelodramaticantics]

I like how despite criticizing ITZY, you can still praise them for any good qualities. This objectivity is rare in kpop 💕💜

[@mariasol1545]

When they were rookies ITZY seemed invincible..........but their "mid" vocals plus their garbage music, is the reason new girl groups are completely overshadowing them

[@mymelodramaticantics]

@@mariasol1545 the keyword is "seemed", they didn't have competition when they debuted. That's why people thought they were god-tier talented when they debuted. It was an illusion really, but I still think their born to be album was great

[@deleyderismynamer]

As a casual listener, Chaeryeong is the one who has the most issues at first sight. She can have tons of pitch issues sometimes.

[@ricocarpenter2189]

​@@mariasol1545Mid vocals really isn't that big of a problem. They are good live singers and at the end of the day, vocals isn't the thing that sells. I would argue that their music is still pretty damn good. Sneakers was a miss, I'll admit that, but Cheshire was great, Cake was pretty damn itzy if you ask me, and untouchable was amazing.

[@sriyasreejith4106]

​@@mariasol1545garbage music?? If THAT IS GARBAGE, then yeah I LOVE garbage😂😂

[@watanaberyu5660]

What make Nmixx special is what we see in the studio is what we will get in the live. High notes, adlibs, Harmonies and everything. The performance is also exactly the same as their stage practice. They are one of (if not) the most REAL group in current Kpop.

[@michaeljoshua726]

And also They add more spices in their live performances

[@biazacha]

@@michaeljoshua726was about to say it, I often caught myself going back to certain videos cause they sound so good live to the point of surpassing the studio version

[@Catzy96]

even sometimes they are better live lmao

[@Avan_19]

@@michaeljoshua726 they literally love to do note changes everytime they do live help they’re so skilled and confident performers 😭

[@tomoovehk]

Only if you don't count the bands. Almost all bands replicate all the high notes and adlibs live without backtrack. Even Nmixx uses backtrack, even though they're amazing singers.

[@mariacamilaperezortiz282]

"Nmixx's competence exceeds their own discography" 🔥🔥🔥 Edit: why are people using this quote to shade groups?? I just loved this sentence because is true for Nmixx, but I don't think this should be used to shade any group. STOP WITH THIS TOXIC BEHAVIOUR! Don't use Nmixx to put down other groups, and don't attack Nmixx because is not their fault.

[@mariasol1545]

the lesserafim shadeeeee

[@deleyderismynamer]

@@mariasol1545 when was le sserafim brought up wake up

[@topzki47]

@@mariasol1545 LSF must be in your mind 24/7 huh? Nmixx has been having non-stellar title tracks since their debut in 2022, waaaay before LSF's issues lately, so no it's not a shade.

[@anemojin4384]

​@@topzki47it's not about non stellar title track but the difficulty of the title tracks themselves is exceeded by NMIXX vocal skill

[@Avan_19]

@@deleyderismynamer here’s how it goes “nmixx’s competence (VOCALS) exceeds their own discography (SONGS) meaning: they give justice to their songs even their covers they make it sounds like their own, Imagine lsrfm covered nmixx songs while dancing? Same with nmixx? Who do you think will struggle down? imagine larfm covering aju nice? Thunderous? The feels? and i’m talking about “LIVE”??? i think the reason why it is such a Lowkey lsrfm shade is bcoz their recent performance in coachella made them sounds like struggling ‘WITH THEIR OWN SONG’

[@martacastillo6272]

12:51 Haewon hitting an E5 like that in her mixed right after doing a D5 in her head voice

[@BP-tm6ye]

did Aileen hit C5 and haewon E5

[@sarmitanaha4310]

Where I can find this video where hoshi clapping for lily

[@Manchis123]

@@sarmitanaha4310 what when did hoshi clap for lily

[@Manchis123]

@@sarmitanaha4310 i thinks its haewon

[@iforgotmyname000]

And Hoshi clapping for her is so cute

[@anamrake]

Nmixx really gives you hope that late-gen groups do have singing talents. They sing so well you'd think they are an SM group. Their practice video with live singing is really impressive.

[@moongirl8807]

One can hope that JYPE knows this, at least they did with VCHA their American group. They uploaded an acoustic cover - no edit no nothing - and kpop fans made fun of them bc they don't know what live singing sounds anymore😭no but given that they're rookies and had like 6 months to train the coaches really worked their magic. Let's see what the next move is, I feel like people are done with NMIXX which is sad bc they had great music for over a year now and VCHA also only had bangers but basically people don't want new JYPE groups rn. They want new direction for the old ones (but ignore the actual great things that are done). So who knows when there will be another Korean group.

[@Robalexe]

​@@moongirl8807 People are not done with Nmixx, wdym

[@IgnacioNexlson]

​@moongirl8807, you are absolutely wrong when it comes to Nmixx . Dash did very well and their live performances have made them go viral.

[@davyjones6268]

yup, aespa didn't get to sing live on their many previous performances before. but, when they did...🥂👽👽👽👽

[@mintealeafy]

It’s why I want them to win on these shows so that they can sing live more. You can tell how comfortable, confident, and happier when they get to sing live and it’s such a treat to listen.

[@ppp-zi3uu]

​@@mintealeafy idk why SM, debuted a girl group with very competent vocalists, who are very happy to sing live, and have them lipsync most of the time. Like it doesn't make sense to me at all.

[@Wanwanspittingfacts]

It's 2024 yall, not 2021... Ever since Coachella 2022, aespa have been performing live in tons of soundchecks, concert, school festivals, k-con, fan meetings,... but for some reason, whenever people talk about lipsyncing they always mention aespa first. And the funny thing is, all the stages aespa lipsyncing, tons of idols lipsyncing too, people even accept it as a norm, no one question it, but only with aespa it's becomes an abnormality 💀

[@belaytriks]

Actually there are some of their first stages were you can listen Ning Ning fighthing to go above the track. And the face of Winter because people still belive they never sing live... 😅 Sorry, she looked cute being pissed there.

[@zb1kiof]

Kiss of Life too! those girls love singing live. Belle is so good

[@AnAdultKpopFan]

I love KIOF, but from an individual standpoint, Belle is just significantly stronger than all the girls and there is a large gap between her and her members. As a group, I do think they do much better.

[@cosas_de_gatos]

@@AnAdultKpopFanthe good thing is that they are bound to improve at a much higher rate than other groups, because they sing live very often

[@Faerie__7]

tbf, Belle's father is also a well known singer in Korea (especially with the elders) so she probably grew up with vocal lessons which is why she's a stronger vocalist in the group, but the other members are talented in singing as well

[@suzyocean7392]

​@@AnAdultKpopFanYou're right but Haneul is improving very quickly. Her lines in the recent Brown Eyed Girls cover were impressive. Natty also has pretty good technique despite not being the strongest vocalist

[@alvi_omi]

​@@AnAdultKpopFanfact

[@Cryforme-]

I don't get why Lia gets the most bashed for her vocals in ITZY Like yes , Itzy as a whole are vocally weak but Lia is still the most developed so she should be the last one in Itzy to be get bashed for her vocals coz the other 4 members are weaker than her

[@mymelodramaticantics]

She's the main vocalist and she doesn't exactly specialize in anything else, so there will be more focus on her vocals and the areas she lacks in. I also feel like she's an easy target for hate because she's not as strong of a dancer as the other members so people will nitpick everything about her

[@DeeDeeDeeeee]

To be fair Yeji and her are almost at a point where they’re interchangeable since Yeji’s improvement and while Lia’s still the best vocalist, it’s not by much.

[@nnnn-sc2im]

i think it’s mainly just cause people don’t like her tone and it doesn’t help that most itzy’s songs aren’t catered toward her voice. Technique wise (in my opinion) she’s on par with a lot of 4th gen main vocals

[@alineassumpcaoaline3890]

It's probably because she is the main vocalist, so people often compare her to others main vocalist, and her gap with them is quite big. While yeji, for example, will be compared to others lead vocals, where the gap is not that big. Another thing that comes to mind is that she's the only one in the group that's not a dancer, so people often choose this to put her down. But yeah, I do agree that she gets completely undeserved hate

[@galuxistar1615]

It think it’s a bit more complicated than that. I think although Lia is the strongest vocalist in itzy, the songs she’s given don’t suit her type of singing which makes her sound worst than she actually is. Another reason is that although Lia is not a bad singer, she is unfortunately one of the weaker main vocalists compared to other kpop groups. So people tend to degrade her for that. And one last thing is that (I kinda speculate ppl might be thinking) is that “if Lia’s is the weakest dancer of the group, shouldn’t her vocals make up for it?” And unfortunately her singing doesn’t reach the main vocalist standards that people set for her. To elaborate, you see it quite often that main vocalists of group usually don’t have the best dance skills, but people don’t pay mind to it because of their overwhelming vocal capabilities. And unfortunately, Lia just doesn’t have that jaw-dropping singing skills that people expected. That’s just my take on it tho!!

[@puma-uu8hf]

It would've been better if you used aespas encore stages and University festival performances.Their live singing skill is truly on the next level.

[@kira_legran]

Next level it's Nmixx, Mamamoo and EXO. Aespa is good, but not SO great. They are like Red Velvet - one great vocalist, one well, one pretty well. But Wendy > Ning2, Seulgi > Winter, so even Red Velvet better and they are not top-level, they are the second line of vocal oriented groups. Same KiOf and Babymon now, BM maybe even stronger than aespa.

[@noav1404]

He showed their spicy encore

[@paledangels]

@@kira_legran they're praising their own idols and u can't stand but to input other idols into it????? aespa live singing skill is truly on the next level

[@afeliz2642]

@@kira_legran half of exo is not even near to aespa, and if we rank them as a group aespa overall is more competent than 5 good idols in exo and the rest is just “enough”

[@afeliz2642]

@@kira_legran imagine being this ignorant, red velvet has 2 strong vocalist but has 3 others that are not even better than any of aespa, so as a group aespa is still better How can you say babymonster could be better than aespa when BM has literally 2 idols that can’t even have good quality support and none of them are better than NN or winter, 4 of the babymonster girls are around Karina and Giselle’s level or even lower

[@eduuuardo18]

I think we can put the issue of a group's vocal level of performance in four stages: 1. *Bad* Vocal Level - One who is unable to perform adequately. Very oscillating and, in most cases, will use playback and pre-recorded vocals. More than 90% of current groups are unfortunately at this level. 2. *Competent* Vocal Level - One who will do what is expected of a performance, having the freedom to highlight other characteristics without the vocals really getting in the way. The classic: raw vocals. In some cases they may surprise you. itzy can be at this level, as can IVE in some cases; stayc and, perhaps, gidle 3. *Good* Vocal Level - One that has the ability to replicate the studio version. A more "safe" vocal. It hardly disappoints what it delivers, besides the vocal itself attracts attention a little more than other possible aspects. The chance of surprises here is much greater and a little more frequente. I think currently kiss of life could be at that level, aespa (despite playback's problems), maybe baemon, and a few others. 4. *Great* Vocal Level - One that, for some reason, manages to improve the studio version. They are more courageous and have the vocals as the dominant aspect and what will attract the most attention regardless of other qualities that the group may have. In addition to having songs in which only they perform at the level of the original, that is, songs in which the cover will never be better. I think the 2nd generation was the one with the most groups at this level. There were some from the 3rd generation too and, currently, NMIXX is the only one with these characteristics. It's a group that since their debut has gone viral more for their performances and "acappella" than their music itself.

[@Cla_Cla0.o]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@rakransangma4520]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@bubblerPH]

Keep me on loop. Love this ❤️

[@johns5558]

Overall this is a more accurate assessment. I question Itzys competance: 1:35, 1:39 and 1:42 dont cut it. JYP's tricks arent saving anyone from being sub par vocals

[@batatagumball5549]

Groups that could be added in a part two: - Mamamoo - Shinee - Highlight - Brown Eyed Girls Edit to add EXO, TVXQ and The Grace

[@kira_legran]

EXO too, obviously

[@Lovelyisimba]

Lmao EXO should be first here…

[@takenononsense]

people this day need to know more about TVXQ (esp during their 5 members era) and CSJH (The Grace). both groups were acapella based (vocally) and still have one of the best dancers in their generation.

[@EverythingxYourexNot]

Dreamcatcher also has a place in such a list. They do a LOT of live shows.

[@yd3216]

Funny how BTOB the BEST OF THEM is missing!

[@SodaSyrup2023]

Aespa Giselle is so underrated. Despite many people considered her vocally “weaker” than the other three members, she consistently carrying their tone beautifully - especially the vocal layers and adlibs. She has demonstrated those on the recording sessions and back vocals videos. People often forgot she was a choir singer and her voice was used as the backing vocal in Black Mamba’s bridge! 🤩 (yes, that heavenly siren voice is hers). I found her sweet alto voice can balance WinNigRin’s high pitch. That’s why people thought she’s weaker but I think she just has her own league ☺️💖 I love how she never try to sing out of her range that some kpop idols did. Staying in lower register beautifully compliment her team members ❤

[@AB-yk2pq]

He calls Giselle overrated so don't post Giselle's praises here.

[@athisi7961]

her adlibs are amazing

[@nodescription7286]

@@AB-yk2pq he has been hating aespa since years ago. i don't know why mys still watch his video. the audacity to put aespa in the thumbnail and intro but calling aespa have little live performances.

[@pieistasty]

She's better then karina

[@savage_0217]

I've seen this yt content always exclude Giselle in vocal analysis.

[@kvlqqna]

i love clips from nmixx's lives when they sing a lot of different songs and i know their covers will be amazing cause their tones, their skills are just fantastic. and it's only the beginning of their career... they're so impressive

[@cleverjade巧玉]

Aespa has my favorite vocal colors of any kpop group! All of their voices are so pleasing to me and they compliment one another so well 💜

[@overthinkingkpop]

I spend at least 50% of my ITZY listening time wishing JYP would have picked a lower key. I worry badly about how forcing upper belts might damage their vocal chords in the long term. "Cheshire" is literally painful to sing along with and I usually just transpose it down an octave.

[@charro028]

This

[@Robalexe]

Nmixx would honestly be perfect for Cheshire's difficulty

[@Verowinday777]

@@Robalexe Tbh it may have sounded just as good if the key were lowered a bit.

[@lillycamp8892]

@@RobalexeCheshire still would’ve been hard for nmixx, to live sing and belt or mix that high in EVERY chorus and sing live in all their stages would be really rough. They could do it, but it would be hard

[@UmiChan358]

Bro I love Bae's voice so much QuQ brings something nice to Nmixx

[@mimosa-NSWER]

I agree! Her tone is my favorite in Nmixx, it's so pretty. Especially her part in Dash!

[@fimbulvetr6129]

Her pre-chorus in Dash is literally insane

[@kidrissa]

Leaving out Mamamoo makes sense. I don't think anyone who's into vocals has questions about their "vocal competence". I enjoyed the way you profiled the groups here. I've always liked ITZY's vocals, while knowing they weren't Mamamoo/SPICA/Big Mama level (3 of my favorite groups). But now I can explain WHY I like their vocals: they're solid enough for their songs and concepts, and when we see/hear them live, they're ALSO comfortable singing and showing their voices.

[@mymelodramaticantics]

Why wouldn't mamamoo be included in this list? Genuine question

[@Saladfork1929]

@@mymelodramaticantics MMM is just… very… VERY obviously talented. They go to a level that’s beyond kpop and are so well established that people ALWAYS think about their vocals first. With groups like Aespa, Itzy, or Nmixx, you think about the songs and concepts (and change-ups) first, THEN the vocals second, or even third/fourth in Itzy’s case. So, leaving out MMM is like leaving out SNSD- everyone knows already about them, you can’t say what hasn’t been said.

[@mymelodramaticantics]

@@Saladfork1929 oh, I got it now. Thank you 💕

[@inplane9970]

@@Saladfork1929 Yeah, there's no discourse about Mamamoo because every praise they get is simply an indisputable fact. They can dance, have amazing stage presence, challenge the norms of the industry, and can sing on a level equivalent to soloists while synchronizing as a group. That level of talent is unheard of, in the KPop industry or elsewhere.

[@greentofuhouse]

Well when mmm first debuted, some kpop fans don’t even consider them idols lol

[@catwo6893]

Everyone in aespa have good vocal control and technique they are very considerate of each others vocal color, they're so good at blending that they're live even sound like the recording version, no muffled or breathing sounds, so clean. I love aespa's encore stages, they are so stable.

[@nodescription7286]

this channel has been hating aespa since his vocal ranking complained by many people.

[@a.morujo6073]

I mostly agree with everything, but as "effortless" as aespa's singing looks, they've said time and time again it's a result of constant training!

[@Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh8]

Aespa also sing live in their university same video you used in nmixx not only encore or behind recording

[@erenthebirdyeager8407]

right? and then complain about the lack of live performances 😂

[@hpfanfan09]

He’s too bias that’s all

[@nodescription7286]

he has been hating aespa since long time ago. the audacity using aespa as thumbnail and intro but bringing 'less live performances' agenda whenever he puts aespa in his video.

[@esquireedilbertiimarcelino2199]

If you want aespa to sing live. paid them well

[@Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh8]

@@esquireedilbertiimarcelino2199 ofc if they come were i live but they never

[@mmm-ot4bt]

aespa has just performed 6 sets of five songs fully live in different univesity festivals the past couple of weeks... Can we let the narrative that they barely sing live on stage die already?

[@biggusduckus6489]

i guess it’s karma, SM stans have always been extremely snobbish and arrogant about vocal abilities 😂Kpop stans are simply doing what Kpop stans do best - being petty. Unfortunately, SM gives them an opportunity to do so .

[@luvrinas]

people are too comfortable speaking on aespa's abilities lmao.

[@ismailhakim255]

@@biggusduckus6489well of course because other companies stans always talk about chart etc when their fave cant even sing. Sm stans know our quality of idols they produced

[@eduuuardo18]

I saw their performance at the festival singing Armageddon (which is an easy song) and the backtrack was extremely loud. Even because they were using a handheld microphone, so I saw several ridiculous moments where the microphone was not in the mouth and the audio of the voice was playing (and still with live dynamics, that is: pre-recorded vocals). Their "live" voices were very low and practically only Winter struggled to fight the playback. But I don't know if I can send a Twitter video link here.

[@LachmiLach]

@@eduuuardo18 armageddon is NOT an easy song

[@naviseu]

Why didn't use Aespa latest performance at university as a source? Five songs, all live despite Winter being sick, they're crazy skilled, and the fact their songs has so much high note

[@hpfanfan09]

He’s too crazy about nmixx i think

[@stunnaij.]

@@hpfanfan09 no, it’s because editing takes a while plus he’s sick, he can’t use every piece of evidence for a video 😭

[@hpfanfan09]

@@stunnaij. maybe but I doubt 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@AB-yk2pq]

They only didn't sing Armageddon and Supernova but Winter while being sick had more balanced mix than usual in Next level and Spicy but he didn't care about that, even through he says he minds Winter's chesty mix. Ning Ning also tried to do belt with less heady approach for OST they sang live, but again nothing about that.

[@TathD]

It's an nmixx stan channel. Literally the point of every video he makes is to glorify nmixx. It's ridiculous and he should get a job.

[@minniemeeps]

lia adds so much flavor to itzy's music. i really hope she comes back soon, but i'm glad she's resting and taking her time.

[@sample-account]

I don't listen much to Aespa but they're so good despite debuting during the covid period and not singing live much back then. Giselle the main rapper can easily outsing many lead and main 4th gen singers.

[@aeriya0]

yes. some ppl just dont get it that most sm artists has their own individual singing skills. even the rap and dance lines are impressive and skilled enough in singing. they may not be as strong as their members, but they can easily be at the same level, and even better than most lead vocalists out there

[@dean.mcmxcvi]

Thank you for bringing up Lia!!! Really want her back but I understand she needs her rest. I just really hope she isn’t leaving

[@ive_zerob1rose]

Personally I love Aespa’s vocals. I adore their tones and how they can make me feel lots of different emotions. Just wondering, would you ever consider ranking 4th gen girl groups based on how competent they are vocally? Or ranking soloists?

[@uc6758]

I thought the video was made ? Like its nmixx, aespa, then the rest of the industry …

[@ive_zerob1rose]

@@uc6758 I think that was a vocal stability one and a few things have definitely changed. Some groups have improved and others have regressed so it would be nice to have some sort of updated version.

[@uc6758]

@@ive_zerob1rose i think its gonna be similar. Ive might ranked higher since they improve so much. Other than that, idt theres a group who improves rapidly like Ive (??

[@LuisMoraMemo]

This video turned in to a nmixx love fest , love it.

[@nmixxchange]

NMIXX are really passionate , just watch all university concert we can see they really love perform on stage

[@lenanoldor6789]

Finally someone talking about itzy, they have a good vocal live, they are capable to sing their own songs even though the songs and coreos are not thar easy, but people pretend they are bad.

[@20starterblue23]

NMIXX is so good that their haters throw hate at them for singing live like it's a bad thing. Normally, idols get hate for lip syncing but NMIXX is the only group that gets hate for flexing their vocals 😂

[@anisafza9493]

nmixx you will always be perfect

[@chifffy]

I saw Aespa in concert.... they were INCREDIBLE

[@hailey-tp1hc]

Nmixx is really an incredible group.

[@jjuaassol]

Sure, NMIXX is my fave, but Itzy and Aespa are totally awesome too. All three groups are the real deal. Haewon is my top K-pop girl group singer, and I have no doubt she'll soon join my other beloved singers, Ki-Young Park and Ali, as one of Korea's top divas.

[@stunnaij.]

I’m so glad itzy was included, I’m tired of them being thought as bad vocalists while their vocals are decent/ average

[@stevensong8618]

Oh Haewon the idol sleeper... the gurl is so special!!.. NMIXX is the best period.

[@yumyumnachobear]

I love that you included Itzy! People take it as an insult when anyone calls attention to the fact that it's not a group of vocal powerhouses but not every group has to be. I would argue that most groups shouldn't be and they shine when each member gets to play to their skills. Their strength lies in their fun composition and performance ability, and I'd much rather a group hit their specialties out of the park than continuously swing and miss because they can't live up to an out-of-range, over-edited recording. Itzy almost always delivers on a performance that looks and sounds just like it did in their MVs and singles and they're easily one of the most fun groups to watch live because of it.

[@hitmanbangsyellowcrocs4213]

I always regret why I was late to the NMIXX party. Coz those girls are 🔥🔥👌 *Super Talented* They always deliver. I just slept on them before.

[@glaciemdraco]

Yeah, ITZY is pretty decent I'd say, at least their encore stages are really fun for me ^^ Still, nice to have some list of competent groups, it feels less and less important nowadays :/ (I meant decent not dance :D). In my opinion, them and NMIXX are perfect examples of groups who can sing live (well) even with hard choreo. Much appreciated.

[@maddiejung974]

The whole "aespa never get opportunities to sing live" is so outdated, basically every group has been forced to sing live at all the university shows, it's like a new trend, nobody wants to end up like le serafim.

[@erenthebirdyeager8407]

OP always complain about the lack of live performances by aespa but can find university festival performances of other groups, OP just doesn't like aespa 😂

[@hpfanfan09]

@@erenthebirdyeager8407that’s just proves he’s just too bias

[@lulashepard3253]

I saw them sing live in concert, and they were terrific. At the risk of sounding contrarian, I’m not quite on the NMixx bandwagon. Obviously they sing and perform well, but only two of them have enough personal charisma for me to actually care about what they’re doing. ITZY may not have the best vocalists, but I can’t take my eyes off any of them when they’re onstage. Same with aespa.

[@Celestialprincess1603]

@@hpfanfan09same their stage presence is off for example Lilly stares at the audience like a doll it scares me 😭😭 especially after one of their more charismatic members left it just hasn’t been the exact same

[@JJ-bh8bj]

@@lulashepard3253no one cares

[@MBJK_baby]

0:45 nah starting with itzy is perfect tbh, the girls are great performers and are stable when singing live. Even though they aren't the best vocalists in kpop, they all don't lack breath control and, in my opinion, that's honestly more important than most things when you're in a kpop group

[@cattosakamotto]

Day 5,374,890 of kpop stans doing anything & everything in their power of down playing & discrediting nmixx in every worst way possible as well as giving them non-stop backhanded compliments.

[@afeliz2642]

10:35 to 10:43 uh I know you probably didn’t say this with bad intentions but it sounds so bad bc aespa has already sang many times live while dancing and all of them sound good, obviously they have less material and less opportunities to show it bc of their label but that not takes away how good their sound while dancing

[@topzki47]

they still have more non-live performance than live to-date. You're right about having less opportunities to show it off though.

[@paledangels]

@@topzki47 does it even matter, most of it is on music shows. they've shown enough live performance that atp if they lipsync on a performance it doesn't even matter anymore, they've already proven themselves plenty of times

[@afeliz2642]

@@topzki47 I mean…that’s why I said that even when they don’t have as much as nmixx their material is still good enough to not say “nmixx is apart of them bc they sing good while dancing” when aespa can do it and with good quality in both even with 4 members

[@luvrinas]

@@topzki47 theyve already proven themselves several times despite being overworked to the core so..

[@topzki47]

@@paledangels No it doesn't matter anymore, but the old sentiment is still there and unless they perform live as Frequent as Nmixx people will not catch on their live prowess as quick. As long aespa continues what they are doing then there is nothing to worry about. By the way im not denying their talent i know they have it.

[@chad_fiore]

Itzy may not have that tone people desire or that bombastic vocal range. But of all groups in KPOP, they are the most stable. They can sing while dancing the most difficult choreography. And in my book, that’s idol material.

[@ZoeLeigh01]

itzy proves everyday that being a performance based group means being good at performing... which includes live singing.

[@mohhhhhhhhgjghvcy]

You shoul’ve choose another studio recording from Aespa 😅 like the one when they recorded for their solos was absolutely amazing that’s how i knew Karina’s vocals were insane

[@hpfanfan09]

I think the creator still hates aespa 😝

[@nodescription7286]

he hates aespa. dude not even bother to check aespa university performances.

[@mohhhhhhhhgjghvcy]

@@nodescription7286 fr i’m sick and tired of this don’t sing live narrative, i like the guy who makes the videos but that man need to be up to date it’s not 2021 anymore and I they’ve been singing live for the whole promotion of Supernova and Armageddon except for music shows

[@fernandac1943]

Como NMIXX no hay otras, son espectaculares

[@calidriscanutus]

Great selection, fan of all of them. Thanks for including ITZY, they're looked down a lot. I had the opportunity to attend their concert recently and they held the 2:30 hr concert incredibly. Their level of energy is fire, their dancing is so so pretty and, although to me they didn't sound purely live (I think there must have been some sort of filtering because they sounded just like the albumns and that is not realistic) they were amazing.

[@treeflamingo]

I think the omission of renowned powerhouse groups like Mamamoo makes sense. We don’t need to talk about vocal competence in Gen 2. We know what they’re capable of. It’s Gen 4, with its general focus on dance and performance, that benefits from a discussion of vocal competence. I think this was a very balanced and effective video essay!

[@Siena1613]

Nmixx es actualmente el grupo más talentoso en cuanto a vocal, todas son super buenas

[@xryvxctyrsyndry]

I HOPE ONE DAY YOU MAKE SOME ANALYSIS VIDEO ABOUT DAY6 AND XDIONARY HEROES VOCAL!!

[@04Ammy04]

Oooo my kings

[@chadzillacheetoface]

Dreamcatcher may be a relatively small group from a small company, but they don't play around when it comes to vocal ability.

[@dollydays5684]

NMIXX es ESE grupo que desde su debut no ha dejado de sorprender gracias a sus habilidades supremas en el escenario, al trabajo duro y la mejora continua que han tenido. Realmente es una pena que la gente siga empeñada en no valorar y pero aún, en tirar hate a un grupo tan completo y fuera de lo común, trayendo no solo talento difícil de superar como grupo (ni siquiera la propia empresa JYPE lo ha podido hacer con los nuevos grupos que ha debutado), sino también arriesgándose a ser diferentes con canciones y conceptos apegados a un lore propositivo y no solo insinuado (como muchos grupos que solo meten escenas random en los MV para que los fans especulen sobre un "lore" )y también trayendo algo de variedad con el "mixxpop". Creo que aún el público no logra dimensionar todo lo bueno que ha traído el grupo al kpop, espero que logren seguir trayendo canciones que sin dejar de tener su esencia, logren satisfacer al público, cosa que ya han demostrado poder hacer con el CB de este año, ojalá que todo lo que tuvo "fallas" antes como la promoción, los estilistas, etc. se solucione y se maximice el éxito del grupo fuera del fandom.

[@PyramidGame-dib]

Aespa are amazing for real. Their voices compliment each other a lot. Their music is amazing as well. For example, I love Nmixx's vocals but I can't stand their music.

[@BaeYeonSae.]

Babe it's 2024 why are you still stuck in O.O era? Nmixx has lots of bop 😮‍💨

[@xryvxctyrsyndry]

Bruhh .....Nmixx has lots of banger & easy listening. specially their bside but Squ4d didnt promote them to much

[@AEChronicler]

Same. I like them, but none of their current releases wows me. Though, I don't put them out of consideration because of their talents and skills. What I do focus on is their individual performances or covers. Maybe I just haven't found that song that gets me lol

[@NostraBloom]

I also feel the same about their songs, but give their bside "Passionfruit" a listen, it's easy to listen to and is nicely written 🥰🩷

[@alvi_omi]

​​@@BaeYeonSae.only High note doesn’t mean bop Lol Their vocal is good but their music sucks Full of High note

[@natlenah8082]

That's why, I think ITZY sets the standard for nowadays groups. At the very least those newer groups should have stability (practiced please) for all members to perform live, not just having 1-2 good vocalist and the rest members are meh...

[@NvisLoveYou]

aespa ❤ Their newest album is such a bop They really showed how versatile their vocals are like Live my life>>>Mine>>>Melody>>>Bahama Like WTH those sounds like different groups and they still maintain the aespa sound

[@marshallscott4216]

You also could have referenced the recent cover of “This Is Me,” with Ailee and Lily.

[@korikewl0151]

Wow you made my morning ❤

[@wendyg.7360]

itzy and nmixx choreography or both intricate and jumpy, yet they both don't undermine vocally fulfilling their performances. that gives me hope for these new gens.

[@ida2091]

I love your videos but also want to see you analysing different groups. Especially nowadays, Zerobaseone. Some members seem to really have a background while some members have distinct or at least very pleasing voices and i want to know what would help them use their voices better. I feel like their color variety is noteworthy. So i wish you could analyse each of their strengths/weaknesses.

[@LoveKNCandme]

Please talk about every active kpop group who can carry them self despite not being best vocalist.

[@chifffy]

honestly with the clips you showed i wouldnt even use the word weak for itzy,, imo at worst I would just say solid. They all have a baseline where they can competently sing their songs (we don't talk about cheshire thats just unfair) and there are no obvious holes. Weak I would describe members of groups where singing isnt their strong suit and have few parts because of it

[@no_ra_mi_fa_sol]

Male version(imo): Exo Seventeen Shinee

[@kira_legran]

BTOB too. And if we take a whole industry, not pop-groups only - Day6 and Xdinary Heroes

[@aeye9772]

Pentagon. Jinho is so stable, he doesn't need a backtrack and his vocals improved a lot lately.

[@InSomnia4]

PENTAGON, BTOB too If we can add kbands, I'd say DAY6, ONEWE, The Rose, Xdinary Heroes, N.Flying, Hoppipolla

[@no_ra_mi_fa_sol]

@@kira_legran if I were to say three, these would by my choices. BTOB is really amazing, tho I haven't really seen them dance and sing live, their vocals are amazing!

[@no_ra_mi_fa_sol]

@@InSomnia4 if I were to say three, these would by my choices. I've heard a bit from Hui and he is truly amazing, BTOB is truly godlike and sing amazing, however for BTOB I haven't seen them dance and sing live. So my three choices would be the ones I mentioned.

[@montvzijanetwork5352]

I think you should look into ZB1 (Zerobaseone)! They are not a sensational group, but for the fact they have 9 members, they're a group with vocal qualities - compared to other 4th and 5th gen groups, especially male groups - with a few very nice vocal tones (Ricky, Jiwoong, Matthew) and also a few members that support really well (Taerae, Hao), even members that actually have rapper/dance as their main position yet sing very good (Hanbin, Gunwook). Some lack consistency and stamina, but I've found them very refreshing for this new generation, especially since a lot of them show musicality through being able to harmonize, use vibrato, being able to switch between chest/mix/head quite decently, showing they're aware of at least basic training.

[@JCear]

I still can’t believe the public voted for such a vocal based group (Hope the agency capitalizes on the vocal trump card). I have to give credit to the boys for being multi players, in that; the public was voting them for other things.

[@crystalvulpix20]

Seconded!!

[@slushiedolls]

I feel like fifth-generation boy groups should be brought up in this discussion, especially ZB1. The members click with each other and the vocals rightfully so. I love Taerae's soulful vocal tone and Hao's soft vocals (Hanbin and Gunwook has some pretty cool vocal moments), and they should be up there with the iconic male main vocalists of the previous generations!

[@jaiaiaaa]

@@JCearpublic only voted for visuals as usual. if they wanted vocal then jay wouldve debut

[@wiktoriamajewska4146]

@@jaiaiaaa pls, Zhang Hao and Taerae are way better than him, and also in finals Hui and Seungeon were better than him too

[@mori-kyo]

Kinda wanna see a 3rd gen version of this

[@BFjordsman]

It would just be Red Velvet

[@seasonsoflove9507]

i would add gfriend, mamamoo, rv, maybe even twice?

[@lyd2460]

Cap😂 . Mama​Moo is already a better vocal group and would beat Red Velvet in a vocal battle. Only Wendy is better. @BFjordsman

[@aeriya0]

​@@seasonsoflove9507 valid for rv, gfriend, mamamoo, but not twice.... they are similar to blackpink.

[@Verowinday777]

Everyone here kinda misunderstood the point of this vid, the POV is to list vocally COMPETENT group groups, not vocally SKILLED groups, hence why Itzy are listed here even though their vocal line is like a joke compared to Twice's vocal line.

[@martacastillo6272]

Yay I just refreshed youtube and the video popped up :D

[@abdimukhammad]

Nmixx change up let's go

[@ananyasubramani4596]

I'd put StayC in the functional tier too. They're not great vocalists but are able to pull off their parts live.

[@Robalexe]

They're in the Itzy category basically

[@Cryforme-]

I'd really like if IVE was also mentioned here tbh- In terms of technique they are far from Aespa or Nmixx but thier live singing is impressive Their vocals during that I AM stages & encores , Royal , Off the record , My satisfaction , Next page , Shine with me , HEYA performances ate

[@nnnn-sc2im]

yes their vocals have improved so much since debut

[@kira_legran]

They are improved, but it's not that level...

[@Avan_19]

I think the reason why he puts ITZY, aespa and NMIXX only in this video is to highlight the WEAK, MID AND BEST. ypu can even tell by the thumbnail he put ning2 as talent and lily as skilled which means ning2 has talent (but in singing only) while skilled can be called as like a all rounder meaning: ITZY = dance, rap group but weak in vocal aespa = vocal, rap group but weak in dance NMIXX = exceed in all categories

[@PyramidGame-dib]

they have very cute singing voices compared to those three. They have something softer that really compliments their songs

[@peonylarkspur645]

Leeseo’s prechoruses in accendio are honestly such a flex after the lipsync incident

[@cynthiawilson5602]

Can I know your deal with repeating the same videos of who can sing the best? And do you only listen to title songs of groups you don't like to roast then or other songs like B-side? At this rate, it'll be almost a year and the same people. I heard people mention other groups for people with vocals and if you want to mention the big 3/4, they are different groups. There is mention of Aespa and barely EXO but not Riize or Red Velvet like the vocals are good if you are going to bring up SM and not mention 1st and 2nd gen because I feel like you are new and don't care. When the group you like to bring up most likely did covers of the older groups.

[@HansamKuma]

Aespa only lip syncs on music show. They always sing lives on paid performance like university festival, concert

[@z_hange]

aespa have sung live more times than not the past few years already and have even successfully completed a world tour where they sung live. Yearend shows and award shows were also live. We really need to stop spreading the nonsense that they still rarely sing live. Just this comeback alone, they have 5 live performances at university festivals singing multiple songs

[@nodescription7286]

it's not a surprise. he has been hating aespa since years ago. and his audacity to put aespa in the thumbnail and intro.

[@munnie277]

its a great day every time aint no other fan uploads

[@zahrahd_]

Oh My Girl is up there tbh. 4 out of 6 members hold their own great.

[@jacklastimosa2802]

To point out one thing, all Jyp girl groups CAN SING.. and even if there performing hard choreo, there still stable, w/out sounding out of breath.. And to Source, this is how to prove that lesserafim can sing.. let them do a practice vid singing live w/out any music..

[@efripe]

This video is full of talent 🔝🔝🔝

[@soulfulleigh]

My favorite singers for 4th gen is no rather than Aespa, Versatility, precision indeed

[@Sam-do4rv]

Dreamcatcher can sing for real you should check them they are amazing

[@paperrocket2870]

Can you do one for boy groups..from the ones ive heard, SEVENTEEN,EXO,Shinee,btob, they have strong vocalists who ace at live singing

[@MB-ic3ou]

I think it’s interesting that no one really mentions Gidle in the 4th gen vocals discourse. Although they might not be on the same vocal level as Aespa or Nmixx, I think they’re still solid vocalists. What’s cool about them is that all their voices have very unique, distinct vocal colours. Minnie has one of the most insane vocal colours ever in Kpop, and so does Yuqi. It’s quite rare that all the members have unique voices that are very distinguishable, and I think that in itself is very impressive. Also Miyeon and Soyeon are very strong vocalists that I think hold a candle to the other main vocalists of the 4th gen!

[@greentofuhouse]

Nmixx is the next level group currently in kpop, just because they can all sing like superior sm idols and still dance like superior jyp idols at the same time is crazy. Aespa fans might get upset but I’ve been here since their debut and yes they didn’t get much opportunity to showcase their live vocals just like any other sm groups until recently, but their dance is not on par with Nmixx choreos. The belting/ vocal technique winter and ningning uses might not be able to maintain itself if you add in hardcore dancing that involves being in air or twisting while in transition for Nmixx. Jype has created a hybrid breed in kpop, singers and dancers seem to clash so much due to breathing but somehow it doesn’t affect Nmixx at all, not even 1 member 😂 I am looking forward to bm though but if they go the regular yg route, the dungeon strategy then we won’t be able to get too much live contents as well, but their new performance video is nice, hopefully they drop the 2ne1 or bp style and focus on that because it suits them so much. And let Teddy worry the true successor of that yg gg style. I can only think of one way to be on par if not beat Nmixx, you gotta have a full group 5+ members to sing like sm, rap like yg and dance like jyp then maybe that’s the ultimate ssr group in kpop 🤣🤣🤣 I only mention 5+ members because having less members really limit the choreography you can have. I’ve always felt dancing is lacking with bp and aespa and it’s greatly because the variation is just too limited, even with Itzy recently not having Lia active is lacking a bit for me even with 4 very very good dancers.

[@A_Comfy_Blanket]

Getting 6/7 good singers + dancers in one group will always be harder and more impressive than 4. Doesn't take anything away from KioL, Aespa and others, they are still great, but Nmixx is just a complete shock that they exist that talented. And the fact that each one of them is improving constantly (when others leave training behind after debut) shows their passion and drive. They are a tough group to beat.

[@kpopstertube3563]

Please do consider that having only 4 members means each members have longer lines to sing than 7 members. Longer lines to sing means less rest time before another line comes in a 3-minute song. And where they can get that sufficient rest before singing another line is in the intensity of the choreography. I also notice that in kpop in general. Groups with more members have more intense choreography than that of less members.

[@A_Comfy_Blanket]

They've sung the entirety of party o'clock as 4, and done covers as units of 3. Nmixx's skills are fleshed out enough that they could handle the level of choreo they do as a group of 4 and still sing live. Its about the individuals themselves, not the song or how much they have to sing.@@kpopstertube3563

[@greentofuhouse]

@@A_Comfy_Blanket right, not taking away the talent and skills from any less than 5 members group, but it’s just a fact that dance wise they are very limited so it can’t compete with 5+ members group. That’s why I said at the end of my comment to clarify.

[@greentofuhouse]

@@kpopstertube3563 sure but that also depends on line distribution, for the rappers even if they have less or more members doesn’t really matter because they don’t sing much either way. For vocals they will have to hard carry the rest of the group. But many larger member groups will also give a lot of lines to the main vocals. Let’s say Wendy basically hard carry the vocals even though they do have more than 4 members. So it really depends, but like you said dances are just more complex for larger groups and that’s just a fact because there’s more variations. Again, I’m just replying to clarify I’m not saying 4 members group of less talented or skillful.

[@jaiaiaaa]

Please do a Riize video. they are the 5 gen vocal beasts

[@kira_legran]

Really no. In 5th gen BM and KiOf really vocal beasts.

[@slushiedolls]

We need more boy group recognition! I wish he can cover Sohee and Anton's vocal tone in a video in the future

[@jaiaiaaa]

@@kira_legranRiize better than both bffr 😂 gg stan bias

[@danielle1703]

Please someday talk about the second generation vocalists

[@HeidiAndrea-mp8oe]

For my opinion jyp has the best vocalist and stability training

[@frz3rbRnotaku1]

The fight over who has the best vocals is ridiculous. to the point that fans lie just because they don't want to admit that their group might not have PERFECT vocals. In my opinion, if they can hold a note, and their voice doesn't crack, then they can sing. Also the reason groups had roles was because everyone has their own range, tone, no one is the same. Also aespa always immediately gets "They always lip-sync" drags, which is unfair, because even singing live recently and those four "spicy" encores, people always use it for fanwars.

[@vacinnenessss]

hope that in the future you will include kiss of life! i really recommend checking out their sixth sense cover. such a talented group.

[@emanueltheodorus1056]

There should be ZeroBaseOne among the most competent vocal groups here. They are hands down among the best ones, most of the other members are able to hold their own voices as well.

[@luvrinas]

their cover of 'run run' yesterday blew me away the harmonies were so good... they're good at harmonizing with each other (like in start over, phonecert, their k909 appearances, all the taerae show episodes)

[@jaiaiaaa]

Boy version of illit

[@hanmira]

@@jaiaiaaano

[@luvrinas]

@@jaiaiaaa girl be serious

[@emanueltheodorus1056]

@@jaiaiaaa Are we listening to the same hroup

[@moonblue8928]

If you put live stages of Aespa it would be better they had a ton from this year alone but okay

[@Marcondirondirondello]

I had the pleasure to witness NMIXX live perfomance not even a month ago, and they were literally mind blowing.

[@NamiSwan-rp3ox]

Can you analyze Haewon with Ai lee

[@goldyd144]

With Kpop, I'm looking for great, dynamic performances; confidence when singing live; and fleshed out concepts. I don't expect many groups to be powerhouse vocalists like Nmixx, Aespa or Mamamoo because not every group needs that (and I think it makes groups stand out more when they have different strengths like being vocal-based, rap-based, or performance-based). So to me, unpopular opinion, but Itzy is the standard for what the average Kpop group should be. They're great performers who sing live, and I like their music and concepts. With Kpop, and pop in general, you don't have to be the best vocalist ever, but if you can't confidently sing live, why are you a singer? The problem is that, at some point, the pop music industry prioritized choreography and visuals over competent live singing. And that's absolutely unacceptable. 💯

[@thehaennily4475]

If you ever look into another boy group, I’m curious about your opinion on Oneus. They’re a junior of Mamamoo and under the same company as Purple Kiss. Personally, I think they have great vocals particularly Seoho, Keonhee, and Leedo (as they do most of the singing) but would love to hear your opinion as well!! 🤍

[@djvillan]

I don't understand your content. Every video basically focuses on the same 10 groups. We get it already, no need to make the same videos over and over again.

[@pinkblooded9243]

Who would want to let their idols to sing in music shows for a mere 36 dollars 😂 even their vocal lessons cause more than that HAAHAHHA

[@deanab-se5op]

NMIXX is a fresh air in K-pop. Special mention: aespa

[@erenthebirdyeager8407]

There's a lot of live performances of aespa on the internet especially university festivals idk why you don't even bother to search 😂 use your finger

[@nodescription7286]

he has been hating aespa since long time ago. it's not even a surprise. he is still bringing 'they have less live performances agenda' whenever he puts aespa in his video. and also his audacity to put aespa in his thumbnail and intro.

[@hox6287]

I wanna see NMIXX live now

[@toriwenzel2758]

These groups people are mentioning in the comments that arent mentioned in the video: they're not "competent", they are extraordinary. Thus not mentioned

[@moonkundu2663]

Aespa and nmixx are both the best vocal group of 4th gen but even if you have good skills the song you get will decide where you stand.this is the Main reason why aespa is so much more popular than nmixx

[@donttickleme4662]

preference*

[@shujinko2944]

Honestly there’s still quite a big gap between NMIXX and aespa vocal wise. Lily > Haewon >> NingNing > Winter

[@michaeljoshua726]

​​​@@donttickleme4662 this Songs is subjective We all have a different taste in music And that's why I'm more addicted to NMIXX songs than AESPA I hope people stop using this argument Because it's kind of stupid to be honest Just say that you're not a fan of their genre/songs and be done with it There's no need to say that their songs are bad Just be glad that we all can enjoy different types of music

[@donttickleme4662]

@@michaeljoshua726 i know right. see how stupid fans are. just bcoz JYP dont pay for nmixx's song to top the charts doesn't mean their song is bad. so they need to stop saying "the song you get will decide where you stand" coz its sooo stupid. love aespa and nmixx songs btw :)

[@ristocrats247]

​Even if he paid sportify for the girl debut still flopped so dont blame money and profit here here 😂​@@donttickleme4662